AIR….. 901 …. Drennan … Opinions please

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  • #57343

    TF_carpcruncher
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    Right then gents…… I’m looking at the above top end poles …… Before u say go and look for yourself what might suit on May not suit another …. I know all that ….. What I’m interested in is…… Those on here who have got ….used … The above poles ….. How they rate them …… What problems have they had with them if they have had any? …… Is there any wear on the poles ? …….Are there certain sections that are going bang…… What’s the spares availability like … After service ect??……. The pole you have…. What size fish are you comfortable catching on the pole ?

  • #171552

    TF_craigm
    Member

    My mate has an Acolyte and he’s not impressed at all, No4 just folded while plumbing up – they said he was shipping out wrong, they did replace it though. He got the match kits and they keep going pop in the same place on the No2, Drennan said he’s using them wrong, not supposed to put pulla’s in them ?? also they are supposed to be rated to pink bungee, he had Maver yellow 6-10 in it with a pulla and they said he was overloading them ?? – won’t replace them. When he said his old Tourney pro was a better pole they said he should have kept using it then ?? He now has no faith in it. I had a go with it and thought it was a really nice pole, maybe he’s just a bit heavy handed ??

  • #171554

    Visited fosters 19thapril . You forgot the Tri cast ? Couldn’t make any firm judgement . 901 is very stiff maybe tad heavy . Diawa air was remarkably un impressive .! Accolite seemed a tad soft . Best carp pole was the nemesis and also the stiffest in the shop and it was and will be heavier . For the money the Tri cast drew me in and I wanted to keep trying it . Love to borrow one for a year . Said it before , I don’t spend that on a car . 😀

  • #171555

    pm sent carpcruncher

  • #171556

    TF_CraigH
    Member

    I have an Acolyte and have had no problems,. I haven’t used the others mentioned so I can’t comment on them. But I do not know anybody who has an acolyte. who has had problems with them.

  • #171558

    TF_bakerboy
    Participant

    You do now!

  • #171561

    My brother bought the acolyte he knew before he fished with it would brake being that the top kits were to long .
    2 x top sections later he’s now lost all confidence in it he’s now selling after using it just 3 times 🙁

  • #171562

    OH dear Drennan won’t like this their Stuff is usually the Dogs . Always a problem when you buy a pole , New on the scene . They have some of the best anglers on the planet field testing before they enter the market . But I wonder if they are being used for carping . I think they do say it’s not a full time carp pole but will handle them . The Accolite Carp pole is now on the market and I have heard its excellent . Off the same mandrel . :confused: :confused:

  • #171563

    A friend of mine has the Drennan pole and he’s had problems with his & he’s in the tackle trade. He’s not impressed at all with the response from Drennan. They told him he was using and holding the pole wrong! This is a chap who has had a tackle shop for over 35 odd years and been using poles since the 70’s. I think they may change their attitude when he cancels any future orders with said company. They said their star angler hasn’t had any problems but is he using the same pole or the new carp pole version with stronger sections? I was toying with the idea of the Acolyte but will give it a miss and look at the Tricast one instead.

  • #171564

    I would probably go for either the 901 or the Matrix Nemesis. Both appear to be very stiff at 13m. Not fished with either of them but had a waggle of both in Bob-co and liked the feel of them both. IMO they feel the stiffest pole (at 13m ish) out there.

  • #171565

    Anonymous

    Air, 901, Drennan, Maver, Garbolino, Preston’s, Tri-Cast etc etc I bet they have all had someone break them at some time. Doesn’t mean any of them are bad and doesn’t mean that the angler was faultless either. You have to take bankside rumour with a large pinch of salt.I have heard some horror stories in my time in retail and when you actually get to the truth it is often very different. Just buy what suits you.

  • #171567

    The pulla style of taming big carp , I would have thought done away with elastics over 12 Or 14 so I can’t see what’s breaking some poles . Right now if pulla style had not been invented and iwas into big carp then the Matrix looks the buisness . And quite plainly Ricky Teale states it’s a commercial carp pole . in the past sexy , light , long expensive poles where for the sponsored elite !! You know them fellows who never broke a section but couldn’t tell you if they had !!! Probably the Tournament changed all that and it has achieved cult status . It’s the 500 or so mm missing that we all hanker after . No jokes allowed !! :p :p :p

  • #171569

    Anonymous

    Problem with the puller system (if there is one) is that some people can strip so much elastic out that there’s virtually no give left and then they end up playing an angry carp off of stiff inflexible carbon. Only one result there, no matter what elastic you are using. Even with a relatively light elastic, say No 5, No 6 or No 8, you can snap a pole even though you can also use that same pole, with a different set-up and/or technique, with a solid 16. It’s all down to the way the thing is configured and how the angler handles it. Anglers seem to break poles no matter what they are.

  • #171570

    Pulla kits can still be used in the wrong way,as many still use them as a bullying tactic,and not as they were designed,which was to fish with lighter end tackle and elastics but still be able to tension them if needed when a bigger stamp of fish is hooked.there are some who use elastics of 18-20+ with pulla kits.
    also poles can break if wrongly elasticated,for example it says rated to 20 elastics,so they stick a length through one section and crank it up tight,rather than through the proper sections to spread to load.most breakages are caused by anglers,but there are some poles out there that are just not suited to work such as commercial carping or heavy duty bagging down the edge for double fiqure lumps.all poles can break now and again if wrongly handled and misused.

  • #171571

    Anonymous

    @tidalwave1 wrote:

    Pulla kits can still be used in the wrong way,as many still use them as a bullying tactic,and not as they were designed,which was to fish with lighter end tackle and elastics but still be able to tension them if needed when a bigger stamp of fish is hooked.there are some who use elastics of 18-20+ with pulla kits.
    also poles can break if wrongly elasticated,for example it says rated to 20 elastics,so they stick a length through one section and crank it up tight,rather than through the proper sections to spread to load.most breakages are caused by anglers,but there are some poles out there that are just not suited to work such as commercial carping or heavy duty bagging down the edge for double fiqure lumps.all poles can break now and again if wrongly handled and misused.

    Exactly !!

  • #171573

    TF_CraigH
    Member

    I still haven’t broke mine 😀

  • #171576

    TF_GLEBE1
    Member

    Going back to the original post, once you get to the very top end it’s all down to the individual. I’ve had an Airity for over 4 years now with no problems whatsoever, caught some massive weights and some huge fish and I’ve got total confidence in the pole. Before anyone shouts I’m a Daiwa “sheep” it’s the first Daiwa pole I’ve owned.
    Since I’ve had it,every few months a new pole is released that will “blow the Daiwa boys out of the water” and take pole technology “to the next level”.
    As soon as this happens you get the usual influx of people flogging their perfectly good pole to buy “POLE X” because it’s so much better.

    Reading these threads sometimes makes me think I may be missing out on something so I’m always keen to have a waggle on the bank if one of the lads I fish with turns up with the latest must have pole.

    I’ve had a go with an Air after a match and yes it feels better than my Airity but not that much better I feel I need to go out and buy one.
    With all the talk of the 801 taking things to the next level I was looking forward to having a go, again in a fishing scenario.Nice pole but wasn’t sure about the thicker mandrel, felt a bit strange to me but I suppose you would get used to it after a while.
    Had a go with the Trilogy which was supposed to be excellent but found it unbearably sloppy when shipping, but the finish was the best I’ve used.
    Then the other week I finally got my hands on a 901,having spent all match fishing 16m I ran the few pegs to my mate who recently bought his and shipped it out to full length. I was shocked how much heavier it was than my Airity, yes it was without doubt stiffer but at a price in my opinion.

    So having had a waggle on the bank with a few,I’ve yet to see a pole that makes me want to sell up and fork out more dosh for the latest shiny new model.

  • #171582

    my 5th section has gone twice and my sixth once and the no 8 has a 150mm crack down the length,the pole is only 6 months old,a lot of my fishing is done top4 deep at 6-10 metres the total cost to renew these sections is nigh £1400,it also clicks when used at 13m or over,it is currently back with the manufacturer,their response was these poles are designed to be fished at 13m or over,i have in the past had a diawa 210,original pro,a black airity and now this AIR,i have had no problems with these previous models but this air is something else,friday I picked up a trilogy pro 2 and have to say the 400 mile round trip to Weston tackle was well worth doing.when I eventually get the pole back from diawa I wont be keeping it,the pro 2 has it all and more,MY opinion of course.

  • #171585

    We all know someone that’s had sections go bang. There was 3 top kits explode at larford on Saturday alone. A pro 2 folded in half the other month. When i looked at the drennan i was told to get all power kits. I’ve been pegged next to some who had the matrix pole and the kit when bang into loads of piece’s. It happened to ex team mates using the z12.
    Its the way we play carp on pulla bungs these days. The people who had top break wasn’t noddys either.

    At the weekend i gave my 901 some proper abuse with the larford beasts. They didn’t break, it wouldn’t surprise me if one did one day though as its hit and hold fishing.

    At the end of the day they are all good poles. If money was no object i would have looked at the maver 1000 but that was out of my budget.

  • #171589

    TF_Rhino
    Member

    I have a drennan and a pro 2
    No problems with the acolyte to date and I’ve landed carp to 11lb, same with the tricast
    Only issue with tricast is the need to use the dolly butts or a full extension to get to full 16m, the acolyte measures up ok which is important on some venues
    I’d say the pro 2 may be the stronger of the 2 for hauling work
    I’m waiting for a look at the acolyte carp before deciding whether to sell the tricast as I’d prefer two compatible poles in case of breKages On festivals etc
    Finally both have a great finish though drennan is slimmer and feels better in the hand

  • #171591

    Through a close contact he’s had his Drennan carp pole . Same mandrel and I’ve heard around half the price . So far he thinks it’s the dogs . Having both in your bag is ideal. Saw Johny Arthur use the prototype on a windy day at meadowlands . It looked very stiff and good in the wind . Only thing is , side on everyone’s pole looks better than your own !! 🙂 What a blessed mine field it is . The Europeans can now concentrate on making 13 m. Beauties while we hanker after 16m. . That break !!! your back !! 😀

  • #171594

    Anonymous

    I recently had to go through this agonising process of choosing a new pole, which is not something i enjoy, nor is it something I do very often – this being only the 4th purchase in 30 years.
    The biggest problem was finding where I could compare the ones on my short list – I do not fish commercials so did not see that many of the new models on the bank, and some of the retailers I spoke to only wanted to sell me what they had got in stock rather than provide a service of choice.
    I did get to waggle most of the usual suspects either on the bank or in a tackle shop and settled on the Acolyte despite misgivings about the rumours of busted sections – I put my trust in the dealer who I have known for over 20 years and know that I can always go back to him with any problems.
    I have only fished with it for 3 months now and only for silvers on natural venues, with no problems at all. The only slight negative i have is that because it is so stiff then with no bend and a gusting side wind you will get spun round at the longer lengths, whereas my last pole would bend a fair way with the wind.
    For the natural venue fishing I do the match kit package is spot on and I have not cut them back at all. The long No1 sections are good for light solids upto say a Middy 6-8 and for shipping on shallow venues upto 4 feet deep.
    I do have a carp top 2 with black hydro for hauling chub out of far bank snags but have not had enough experience to comment on how well it stands up to it.
    If I was going to use puller kits then I would not like to use the match kits and would look to buying the pole with carp kits only which come ready reinforced for drilling.
    So for me it is a lovely light stiff pole, with match kits spot on for silvers fishing but I cannot comment on how it would stand up to commercial carp hauling.

  • #171595

    Can’t believe you haven’t looked at the sensas range of poles out selling most now 74XL is a great bit of kit the new 8 series and 6 series cover most anglers ranges. the package is second to none 😉 😉

  • #171598

    it depends on what you are looking for if you want to keep the pole for a few years then I’d go for the daiwa just on the fact that spares are always readily available, if you look to upgrade your pole every couple of years and mainly fish commercials I would go for the map 901, I personally would not go for the matrix spares have always been an issue with fox after a couple of years and until I was absolutely certain there has been an improvement I wouldn’t touch one with a barge pole, however that’s only my opinion.

  • #171609

    TF_matchace
    Member

    BROWNING BROWNING BROWNING Z8 Z9 Z12 etc etc etc
    THE best poles on the market by a country mile and i mean a country spares kit etc etc
    simply the best

  • #171614

    Got this feeling that with the materials available a15 metre pole that’s strong and light is achievable . Seems this push for an honest 16 Metres is One metre tooooo far . Look how much silly money they want for 1 metre of extra length . There are loads of carbon sticks out there at 13 metres anything from500£ to 1000£. That are fantastic ! 14 metre poles easy to find for 1500£ The 14 metre poles are the 2nd or 3rd down from the cream and you use the 16 metre extension for bashing down the stingers !!! 14 metre limit . Job done :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

  • #171615

    @paulnewell wrote:

    Got this feeling that with the materials available a15 metre pole that’s strong and light is achievable . Seems this push for an honest 16 Metres is One metre tooooo far . Look how much silly money they want for 1 metre of extra length . There are loads of carbon sticks out there at 13 metres anything from500£ to 1000£. That are fantastic ! 14 metre poles easy to find for 1500£ The 14 metre poles are the 2nd or 3rd down from the cream and you use the 16 metre extension for bashing down the stingers !!! 14 metre limit . Job done :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    agree with you, though i suspect a lot won’t. recall the old FIPS limit was 14.5 for years until these were dropped for health reasons as well as lower for age and gender.
    When you’re young and fit or built like a tank – then 16m plus seems no big deal – but as the average age of match-anglers continues to climb – then perhaps trusses and walking aids might become extras. Have to say – from an insurers health position on life coverage – you’d be a bit concerned mighten you?

  • #171617

    @paulnewell wrote:

    Got this feeling that with the materials available a15 metre pole that’s strong and light is achievable . Seems this push for an honest 16 Metres is One metre tooooo far . Look how much silly money they want for 1 metre of extra length . There are loads of carbon sticks out there at 13 metres anything from500£ to 1000£. That are fantastic ! 14 metre poles easy to find for 1500£ The 14 metre poles are the 2nd or 3rd down from the cream and you use the 16 metre extension for bashing down the stingers !!! 14 metre limit . Job done :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    materials and technology have been around for a long time to produce a good usable 16mt pole at a practical price,and there have been and are some good poles around,the problem starts when you get some manufacturers over inflating rrp and ssp prices,and hyping everything to be the best thing since sliced bread.take 90 percent of it with a large pinch of salt as many are just reps and salesman with no actual real knowledge of pole construction or design input.

  • #171618

    Name the true 16 metre pole you talk of! I mean the one that did not involve throwing the useless flick tip in the bin . I absolutely agree 15.5 metres of probably as good as it gets ie Tournament Pro is out there but most tell fibs and they do not measure up . Making a great 16 m pole seems to me very difficult and the only quality control is the unfortunate angler ?

  • #171619

    Anonymous

    had a play about with a mate,s 801 on sunday(albeit briefly).the balance and stiffness was superb and far superior to anything else i have handled and i have played about with most of the top of range poles.how good is the 901 if it supposed to be an upgrade on the 801?would definitely consider getting one when i,m ready for a new pole. 🙂 🙂 🙂

  • #171622

    Browning z12 is a true 16 metre pole. Use the dolly butt and normal 3 its over 16 metres.
    901, as yet i haven’t measured it, but both these poles already come with pre bushed kits so there’s no taking a number 1 out.

    They browning pole is just a sensas pole tarted up.

  • #171623

    TF_CraigH
    Member

    Acolyte is 16m, and I still haven’t broke it 😀

  • #171626

    dont know about the pro2 but my old 2003 flag silvers pole sections are approx. 10cm each short of my 2006 era flag commie capable sections – just measured them. I had a phex 3 with the silvers matchpole which is 30 cm which was meant to take it to 16.2 with a no.1 in place- now long since cut to various length stubs or removed completely.
    The silvers wall diameter is about half the diameter on the commie pole – hence the latter feels about twice as heavy at ’14’5′ or ’16m’

    Both these poles will fit in the old mosella compact 8 holdall – but heard the newer one is about 10cm longer?

    Not sure how useful or relevant this might be to the new poles – but thought only respectively, the z12 and acolyte had actually made new longer length new sections and/or new longer, slower taper wide bore power top twos which might explain?

    Not an engineer – but would assume this means a new longer mandrel for those sections?

    So i’m assuming that butt exts. of newer poles must be therefore around half a metre (between 50-70cm to make 16m without a no.1? Or the top kits might have a slower taper to allow them to be increased in length?

    The only factual way you can make a pole longer is by lengthening some sections – otherwise they’re just the same as previous poles – or add an extra section as a dolly butt extension which must therefore affects its rigidity.

  • #171628

    The problem is that some manufacturers count a pole as 16mts before assembley,with each section measured seperately,while others count it as 16mts when assembled,and therefore you lose length straight away as each section pushes into the next one.a lot of poles are also short if they are all built on the same mandral,some maver and preston poles for example.

  • #171630

    Anonymous

    @James wilson wrote:

    Browning z12 is a true 16 metre pole. Use the dolly butt and normal 3 its over 16 metres.
    901, as yet i haven’t measured it, but both these poles already come with pre bushed kits so there’s no taking a number 1 out.

    They browning pole is just a sensas pole tarted up.

    So it only makes the 16m mark with the Dolly butt fitted ? If so then it’s not a true 16m pole. If it was it wouldn’t need any extras adding for that length.

  • #171631

    Anonymous

    @wightangler wrote:

    dont know about the pro2 but my old 2003 flag silvers pole sections are approx. 10cm each short of my 2006 era flag commie capable sections – just measured them. I had a phex 3 with the silvers matchpole which is 30 cm which was meant to take it to 16.2 with a no.1 in place- now long since cut to various length stubs or removed completely.
    The silvers wall diameter is about half the diameter on the commie pole – hence the latter feels about twice as heavy at ’14’5′ or ’16m’

    Both these poles will fit in the old mosella compact 8 holdall – but heard the newer one is about 10cm longer?

    Not sure how useful or relevant this might be to the new poles – but thought only respectively, the z12 and acolyte had actually made new longer length new sections and/or new longer, slower taper wide bore power top twos which might explain?

    Not an engineer – but would assume this means a new longer mandrel for those sections?

    So i’m assuming that butt exts. of newer poles must be therefore around half a metre (between 50-70cm to make 16m without a no.1? Or the top kits might have a slower taper to allow them to be increased in length?

    The only factual way you can make a pole longer is by lengthening some sections – otherwise they’re just the same as previous poles – or add an extra section as a dolly butt extension which must therefore affects its rigidity.

    But the only thing that really matters is if a pole is marketed and sold at a given length it should be that length without having to add any extras. It doesn’t matter how many sections it is made up of as ‘standard’. So 16m could be with 10 sections, 11, 12 it doesn’t matter so long as it is 16m as standard not 15.5m or 15m and only 16m + with an extra section/Dolly butt fitted (UNLESS the manufacturer qualifies this when advertising/selling and state that the length is made up including this section and the weights quoted INCLUDE this section as many give false lengths and false weights).

  • #171632

    Anonymous

    @tidalwave1 wrote:

    The problem is that some manufacturers count a pole as 16mts before assembley,with each section measured seperately,while others count it as 16mts when assembled,and therefore you lose length straight away as each section pushes into the next one.a lot of poles are also short if they are all built on the same mandral,some maver and preston poles for example.

    That’s just plain daft. I mean ‘my 13′ float rod is actually 13′ 5″ because that is the combined length of the 3 sections. Just doesn’t make sense. So, in the same way,a 13′ float rod could actually be 12′ 7″ fishable when assembled because the individual sections measure 13’. If that happened there’d be uproar.

    ‘a lot of poles are also short if built on the same mandrill’ – What does that mean ? Mandrills are a fixed length (longer than the actual section if you check some manufacturers websites) and the section cut to actual length after wrapping and curing. So mandrill length doesn’t really matter.

  • #171635

    @richox12 wrote:

    @tidalwave1 wrote:

    The problem is that some manufacturers count a pole as 16mts before assembley,with each section measured seperately,while others count it as 16mts when assembled,and therefore you lose length straight away as each section pushes into the next one.a lot of poles are also short if they are all built on the same mandral,some maver and preston poles for example.

    That’s just plain daft. I mean ‘my 13′ float rod is actually 13′ 5″ because that is the combined length of the 3 sections. Just doesn’t make sense. So, in the same way,a 13′ float rod could actually be 12′ 7″ fishable when assembled because the individual sections measure 13’. If that happened there’d be uproar.

    ‘a lot of poles are also short if built on the same mandrill’ – What does that mean ? Mandrills are a fixed length (longer than the actual section if you check some manufacturers websites) and the section cut to actual length after wrapping and curing. So mandrill length doesn’t really matter.

    The pre assembled/assembled measuring system is fact,and happens quite often..
    as for poles being short if made on the same mandral.if you look at the stated length of some maver and preston poles in reviews,they are identical at roughly 15.87-15.98mts,maver match this 6 16mt,is 16.5mt with 96 cm mini extension fitted when reviewed.
    sensas power match 814 16mt,was actually 15.65mt before cutting back on review.
    browning z12 16mt was 16.08.
    garbolino m3 16mt,was 16.1mt.
    preston gis 2600 16mt was 16.44mt with 85cm mini extension fitted
    maver elite 66 16mt was 16.53mt with 96cm mini extension fitted
    preston gis one xs 16mt was 15.98cm when reviewed.so there is quite a variation on what is a true 16mt pole..
    preston gis 11 16mt was 15.98mt

  • #171644

    Anonymous

    @tidalwave1 wrote:

    @richox12 wrote:

    @tidalwave1 wrote:

    The problem is that some manufacturers count a pole as 16mts before assembley,with each section measured seperately,while others count it as 16mts when assembled,and therefore you lose length straight away as each section pushes into the next one.a lot of poles are also short if they are all built on the same mandral,some maver and preston poles for example.

    That’s just plain daft. I mean ‘my 13′ float rod is actually 13′ 5″ because that is the combined length of the 3 sections. Just doesn’t make sense. So, in the same way,a 13′ float rod could actually be 12′ 7″ fishable when assembled because the individual sections measure 13’. If that happened there’d be uproar.

    ‘a lot of poles are also short if built on the same mandrill’ – What does that mean ? Mandrills are a fixed length (longer than the actual section if you check some manufacturers websites) and the section cut to actual length after wrapping and curing. So mandrill length doesn’t really matter.

    The pre assembled/assembled measuring system is fact,and happens quite often..
    as for poles being short if made on the same mandral.if you look at the stated length of some maver and preston poles in reviews,they are identical at roughly 15.87-15.98mts,maver match this 6 16mt,is 16.5mt with 96 cm mini extension fitted when reviewed.
    sensas power match 814 16mt,was actually 15.65mt before cutting back on review.
    browning z12 16mt was 16.08.
    garbolino m3 16mt,was 16.1mt.
    preston gis 2600 16mt was 16.44mt with 85cm mini extension fitted
    maver elite 66 16mt was 16.53mt with 96cm mini extension fitted
    preston gis one xs 16mt was 15.98cm when reviewed.so there is quite a variation on what is a true 16mt pole..
    preston gis 11 16mt was 15.98mt

    Sorry, but that didn’t quite answer the question.’a lot of poles are also short if built on the same mandrill’ – What does that mean ?’ – I took it to mean that by using the exact same mandrills and just changing materials the length of sections change. Is that what you meant ? But length per section only depends upon where the section is cut from the mandrill not material usage.

  • #171653

    @richox12 wrote:

    @James wilson wrote:

    Browning z12 is a true 16 metre pole. Use the dolly butt and normal 3 its over 16 metres.
    901, as yet i haven’t measured it, but both these poles already come with pre bushed kits so there’s no taking a number 1 out.

    They browning pole is just a sensas pole tarted up.

    So it only makes the 16m mark with the Dolly butt fitted ? If so then it’s not a true 16m pole. If it was it wouldn’t need any extras adding for that length.

    No, without the dolly butt its 16 metres. With the dolly butt its around 16.8 metres. How do i know? Because i owned the crap pole.

  • #171682

    @James wilson wrote:

    @richox12 wrote:

    @James wilson wrote:

    Browning z12 is a true 16 metre pole. Use the dolly butt and normal 3 its over 16 metres.
    901, as yet i haven’t measured it, but both these poles already come with pre bushed kits so there’s no taking a number 1 out.

    They browning pole is just a sensas pole tarted up.

    So it only makes the 16m mark with the Dolly butt fitted ? If so then it’s not a true 16m pole. If it was it wouldn’t need any extras adding for that length.

    No, without the dolly butt its 16 metres. With the dolly butt its around 16.8 metres. How do i know? Because i owned the crap pole.

    Out of interest what did you dislike about the z12?

    A few of us saw one at a recent match and the guy kindly let us handle it and we were pretty impressed by its lightness. Though obviously not going to learn much in a couple of minutes. A mate has also had a z9 which have to say seems very strong and pretty light/balanced at longer length.

    So as you’ve been an actual owner and would know its weaknesses factors , would really be very interested in why you got rid?

  • #171678

    No, without the dolly butt its 16 metres. With the dolly butt its around 16.8 metres. How do i know? Because i owned the crap pole.[/quote]

    Out of interest what did you dislike about the z12?

    A few of us saw one at a recent match and the guy kindly let us handle it and we were pretty impressed by its lightness. Though obviously not going to learn much in a couple of minutes. A mate has also had a z9 which have to say seems very strong and pretty light/balanced at longer length.

    So as you’ve been an actual owner and would know its weaknesses factors , would really be very interested in why you got rid?[/quote]

    i had used the z12 for around 18 months. No doubt its a good pole, like has already been said on this forum. Its just a sensas pole tarted up. To me it felt heavy because of the banana effect when fishing carp elastic in the tops. One way around this was use the short 3 and dolly butt, this still gave you a true 16 metre pole. A ex team mate also found by buying the 4.5mm tops and cutting them back to 5.5mm also helped take away a little of the bounce.

    I wasn’t seriously looking at changing as i had z12’s as i had plenty of spares, but once i had ago with a 901, that was totally different, no bounce in the tip, felt light compared to the z12.

    Before buying the 901 i had a look waggle with the super legion, the air maver 800 and drennan. I had asked a few questions about the drennan and was told to only get all power kits.

    Poles are very personal, what suits one wont suit another.

  • #171685

    Thanks James,

    a couple locally were seriously thinking about getting one at some point – so your comments and info. are really worth considering indeed for us.

    many thanks for replying.

  • #171694

    TF_scizzers
    Member

    the only thing youve learnt lee is not to light fires in a dry field
    tricast bye the way dont want to buy another at my age 🙂 😀

  • #171695

    Until there is a significant leap in new materials all the top end poles are very similar.
    Bring on the 13m rule so we can stop having these ridiculous threads.

  • #171697

    TF_macca63
    Member

    @dirkdiggler wrote:

    Until there is a significant leap in new materials all the top end poles are very similar.
    Bring on the 13m rule so we can stop having these ridiculous threads.

    That ‘significant leap’ in new materials will no doubt be when they start making poles from graphene – we should be good for some new ‘which pole is best’ threads then no doubt!

  • #171698

    Fabulous a new material that will make all our top end poles obsolete overnight I can’t wait!
    Bet they’ll be cheap as chips too :rolleyes:

  • #171712

    TF_carpcruncher
    Participant

    Anyone know if fosters in Birmingham have the 901 / air /drennan in stock?

  • #171713

    TF_matchace
    Member

    Browning z12 is a true 16 metre pole. Use the dolly butt and normal 3 its over 16 metres.
    901, as yet i haven’t measured it, but both these poles already come with pre bushed kits so there’s no taking a number 1 out.

    They browning pole is just a sensas pole tarted up.

    james wilson your having a laugh BROWNING have reinvented the pole wether you like it or not
    they started all the top kits pre bushed and still offer the best packages (diawa NOW offer the same deal funny enough)
    but un like before i refuse to get into any arguments due to peoples lack of knowledge
    as my old daddy used to say son you cannot educate pork

  • #171716

    TF_GLEBE1
    Member

    james wilson your having a laugh BROWNING have reinvented the pole wether you like it or not
    they started all the top kits pre bushed and still offer the best packages (diawa NOW offer the same deal funny enough)
    but un like before i refuse to get into any arguments due to peoples lack of knowledge
    as my old daddy used to say son you cannot educate pork[/quote]

    I think you will find that Drennan were the first company to supply top kits pre bushed, many moons ago……

  • #171717

    Drennan started the pre bushed pole topkits with the Logic pole,and then other companies such as Maver copied the idea.Shimano,and Garbolino Started doing topkits pre cut to fit a bush into.and now MAP,Browning and a few others now market pre bushed topkits.

  • #172141

    TF_paulk66
    Member
    freddy the frog wrote:
    my 5th section has gone twice and my sixth once and the no 8 has a 150mm crack down the length,the pole is only 6 months old,a lot of my fishing is done top4 deep at 6-10 metres the total cost to renew these sections is nigh £1400,it also clicks when used at 13m or over,it is currently back with the manufacturer,their response was these poles are designed to be fished at 13m or over,i have in the past had a diawa 210,original pro,a black airity and now this AIR,i have had no problems with these previous models but this air is something else,friday I picked up a trilogy pro 2 and have to say the 400 mile round trip to Weston tackle was well worth doing.when I eventually get the pole back from diawa I wont be keeping it,the pro 2 has it all and more,MY opinion of course.

    Hi. You mention that the pole ‘clicks’ when fished at 13m and over. Any idea what causes this??

  • #172146

    The adhesives used to laminate the ultra thin sheets of carbon are kept to an absolute minimum . They are very high tec adhesives , designed to keep the weight down. The clic is probably a small place that got no adhesive . Crudely put , like a bit of plywood left out in the rain !! It probably won’t let you down but I got one aswell and it puts you off on the strike . No excuse , the anglers are the only quality control and it should be replaced . ;). ps keep us informed about the Tri cast . They are gaining support in the bham area . 😎

  • #172148

    TF_paulk66
    Member

    @paulnewell“]The adhesives used to laminate the ultra thin sheets of carbon are kept to an absolute minimum . They are very high tec adhesives , designed to keep the weight down. The clic is probably a small place that got no adhesive . Crudely put , like a bit of plywood left out in the rain !! It probably won’t let you down but I got one aswell and it puts you off on the strike . No excuse , the anglers are the only quality control and it should be replaced . ;). ps keep us informed about the Tri cast . They are gaining support in the bham area . <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/cool.gif" alt= wrote:

    that would make sense. When I looked just inside the number 6 of my map 501, I could see a very small piece of carbon sticking out, as though it was not stuck down. When I tried another number 6 the click was no longer there. So you have confirmed what I thought it was..thank you.. 🙂

  • #172170

    Hi

    When you find out where it’s clicking it is as has been said where usually a very small amount of de lamination has occurred.

    If you look carefully and put some gently even pressure on while rotating each section individually it may be just inside the female end (happened on two of my poles over 20 years) your choices to try in my opinion are….

    If it’s only a de lamination band or area of 2-10mm at end it’s worth…..

    A: buy a new section
    B: send it to a quality repairer like Scott at Esselle
    C: nick the de laminated bit with sharp knife and add finest layer of super glue

    C is ok though;-

    As long as you only add a smidgen of super glue and wipe most of it off the repair keeping it smooth and even it should be ok.

    The cut/split de lamination was only through one fine layer and by easing/releasing the tensioned fibres and the rebonding it lays flat again hence no clicking with the air gap between!

    Not as good as A or B but it happened on a pole I had and a 30 second repair stopped clicking instantaneously and was as good as it was for years after!

  • #172173

    TF_Matchcarp
    Member

    It’s a nightmare when planning to invest large ammounts of hard earned cash on a pole which potentially can be smashed to pieces at any time – I’m a Garbolino fan and have had every flagship pole they have produced without (touch wood) any breakages on any of them. I do think that a lot of people ask too much of their poles and are heavy handed but I have also seen poles just snap for no apparant reason too?
    I think we all live in fear of it happening to us and as someone else has mentioned earlier I’m sure someone will come up with a horror story for every flagship pole out there. Each to their own and you pay your money and you take your chance –
    Personally I can highly recommend the new Garbo Super Legion.

  • #172175

    TF_paulk66
    Member

    Thanks for the info big fella. I got a new section and repaired the old one as in your method c. Yes it did stop the click, I now have a spare section incase of any mishaps.. 🙂

  • #172182

    🙂 one thing I will say is I cannot fault Diawas service,i sent my pole back to them with a letter detailing the breaks and what I considered faults and they have replaced it bar the 12.4 and14.5 sections as these had not been used and they paid the couriers fees,this new pole seems different inso far as the easy glide finish or whatever its called feels diferent,its sat in the corner here awaiting a new owner,the power ikts have been cut back to match the match kits,apart from that its new.i did put it on the for sale a month or so ago but sods law there were a couple of others for sale at the time,i would take £2900 for it sorry no offers as it is new(this is the whole package 10 topkits etc) otherwise it can stay in the shed.

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