Is Angling publication editing, a young man’s game?

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  • #43920

    I remember David Hall handing over the Editorial reigns to Roger Mortimer and similarly to Dave Harrell. One of the big factors being that each lost touch with elite angling which whether we care to admit drives angling which is a top down educative process.

    The Feb Edition of Advanced pole Fishing is outstanding with a relatively new editor in Jon Arthur but an angler who is very much active at the top of the sport. He often seems to draw with him many elite contributors. Steve Ringer being the obvious example.

    Match Fishing is bringing new blood into the editorial ranks to give the mag new impetus but I wonder how long left Harry has in the editorial role. Are his days numbered as part of the natural evolutionary process of Match Fishing? A move upstairs?

  • #127853

    TF_biggs
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    Roger Mortimer…not heard of him for years, does he still fish?

  • #127865

    TF_MarkT
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    I don’t his days are numbered, far from it. He’s been the best thing that has happened to that mag in years.

    Same with Jon with Pole fishing Mag imho both mags have improved so much over the last couple of years, lets hope it continues!

  • #127873

    TF_caster rob
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    @NW Cut Angler wrote:

    I remember David Hall handing over the Editorial reigns to Roger Mortimer and similarly to Dave Harrell. One of the big factors being that each lost touch with elite angling which whether we care to admit drives angling which is a classic bottom down educative process.

    The Feb Edition of Advanced pole Fishing is outstanding with a relatively new editor in Jon Arthur but an angler who is very much active at the top of the sport. He often seems to draw with him many elite contributors. Steve Ringer being the obvious example.

    Match Fishing is bringing new blood into the editorial ranks to give the mag new impetus but I wonder how long left Harry has in the editorial role. Are his days numbered as part of the natural evolutionary process of Match Fishing? A move upstairs?

    “drives angling which is a classic bottom down educative process.”

    That sounds right.

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    lol Thankyou Rob

  • #127877

    TF_tomlegge
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    Depends on what you call young.

    In my opinion the best editors of any publication, angling included, blend the enthusiasm and energy of youth with the experience of many years intense involvement in their subject. Optimum age therefore early to mid-30s.

    I’m mid-40s now, and though it still pains me a bit to admit this, I know deep down that I couldn’t do the job as well as a good quality journo of 5-10 years younger.

    Elite anglers are of course the sport’s cutting edge and to be admired provided they genuinely put something back into the game, which to be fair the majority do. But personally these days I get more satisfaction from helping youngsters get into fishing than doing a 2000 word photo-feature on an elite angler who inevitably has to plug their sponsor’s products.

    None of that is intended to bite the hand that has fed me for 20-odd years. It’s just my honest opinion that in middle age you develop different priorities.

    So yes, I say angling mag/website editing is a young man’s game – provided they have a genuine love of our great sport and aren’t just career ladder climbing.

  • #127878

    Very honest post Tom

    I think the point you raise is vital

    So yes, I say angling mag/website editing is a young man’s game – provided they have a genuine love of our great sport and aren’t just career ladder climbing.

  • #127889

    TF_scrubba
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    Interesting comments. In Dave Harrells defence I would say that he has got the “been there done that T-Shirt”. None of these younger journalists have England caps for example. I have to agree the magazines have improved a great deal over the last couple of years thanks to Dave and Jon efforts. They seem to be in touch with current methods, popular venues and provide a good mix of fishing styles i.e tradional rivers/canals and carp stillwaters. I have been getting both magazines for a number of years now and can say that without them my fishing skills would not have improved in the way they have done. Long may the success of both magazine continue and hopefully the keen youth anglers will keep the older ones on their toes.

    Tight Lines

  • #127900

    Scrubba, I just think for the first time in as long as I can remember or certainly for a while, Pole Fishing is pushing ahead of Match Fishing.

  • #127912

    TF_baitchef
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    I actually think the mags have gone far to elitist. Just about every article features a heavily sponsored named angler, who is generally plugging products. The product placement is boarding on the absurd and just about every feature now is followed by a full page advert of the products that are being pushed in the article. I know they have to cover all aspects of match fishing, from the world champs down but there is a lack of features from just everyday armature match anglers. There are anglers nationwide across all sorts of venues that work hard sussing out their locals and have their fair share of success. On my local there are a good handful of regular framers who are pretty much unknown and yet they are all very competent anglers who have turned their hand at different methods. Will you ever get to see how they fish in a magazine feature? I suspect the answer would be no, because they wouldn’t be selling anything through the advertisements. Personally I would much rather see whats in one of these guys tackle boxes that say a named angler, because that is more relevent to me. This is just my opinion but for me the mags have gone a bit stale.

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    TF_yorkshire
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    @baitchef wrote:

    I actually think the mags have gone far to elitist. Just about every article features a heavily sponsored named angler, who is generally plugging products. The product placement is boarding on the absurd and just about every feature now is followed by a full page advert of the products that are being pushed in the article. I know they have to cover all aspects of match fishing, from the world champs down but there is a lack of features from just everyday armature match anglers. There are anglers nationwide across all sorts of venues that work hard sussing out their locals and have their fair share of success. On my local there are a good handful of regular framers who are pretty much unknown and yet they are all very competent anglers who have turned their hand at different methods. Will you ever get to see how they fish in a magazine feature? I suspect the answer would be no, because they wouldn’t be selling anything through the advertisements. Personally I would much rather see whats in one of these guys tackle boxes that say a named angler, because that is more relevent to me. This is just my opinion but for me the mags have gone a bit stale.

    Bang on, the product placement is a joke, Most of the articles are more advertisments these days.
    As for the adverts the RRP nonesense needs looking at, especially poles the RRP is no resembalence of the true selling price, this van be tested quite easilly, if the RRP is true who has actually paid it?

  • #128001

    TF_Cutnut
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    I would say nepotism has a lot to do with it.

  • #128003

    TF_yorkshire
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    @cutnut wrote:

    I would say nepotism has a lot to do with it.

    without doubt cutnut, which makes it all the worst. Are editors hands tied or are they in on it?????

  • #128021

    I agree that they’re using too many heavily sponsored anglers ! Is Dave Harrell sponsored by Diawa ? All he seams to plug are Diawa’s top end products ! Time they all got back to their roots & reveiwed tackle that the vast majority of us can afford. By the sound of it I couldn’t afford to fish a match on the Wye! But i like the diversity of content ‘cos i’ve got zero intertest in puddles,although they’ve revolutionised match fishing. Ask a dealer if they’ve been good for the trade.

    Bream on

  • #130837

    TF_clfletch
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    The strength of Pole Fishing mag comes from the combined talents of Jon Arthur and Tom Scholey. Tom, who in the flesh is an incomprehensible Yorkshireman, is also a talented editor and journalist, as he proved on Northern Angler.

    Lack of England Experience is surely no disadvantage, or we’d have about three people to select from in the age range described, which is perhaps the subject of a different topic. Both however are very good at match fishing at the highest level. Tom is more a commie specialist at the moment, but then he’s only in his mid twenties.

    I think Dave just needs someone to knock sparks of him, like Jon used to.

  • #130900

    TF_paulD
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    The fishing mags seem to be going “celebrity” like everthing else. promoting people and certain brands. the adverts, sorry features, must work cos we all believe them and buy certain brands like a load of sheep.
    Lewis Marwaski was boy journo and Editor of one of the mags but gave it up and bought a couple of tackle shops. maybe not a good idea considerring the state of the trade.

    I used to like Tom Legges old Southern Angler mag as it was far more down to earth, but it went to the wall so obviously being straight doesnt work.

  • #130913

    i think the future will live magazines i see the newspapers have launched one this week and you can pick it up on your phone or padi the sensas website a long with others now have there catalog that you can turn the pages and with the added feature of live coverage
    can’t see it being long now~clap

  • #130918

    i have a smeaking feeling that Stan Piecha is lining himself up for some sort of career editorial portfolio- hope this feeling is misplaced, as the new dhp young team seems rather good and has prospered and grown in respect and influence under Dave Harrell and PF risen dramatically under Jon Arthur.

  • #130940

    lewis
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    Just seen this post, and me being mentioned, so I will respond :).

    Unfortunately, the state of the trade will hurt everyone, not just retailers.

    If manufacturers sell less gear to retailers, magazine advertising yields get hit massively, thus hurting publishers.

    This, added to increased print and associated costs, mean magazines in general are being hit as much as anyone else in these tough times.

    If I didn’t think this was the case, I’d have set a magazine up instead of buying my first shop!

    I had a great time at Emap, as it was known then, but I’m exactly the sort of person you don’t want as an editor. I have a true love of the sport yes, but also had a desire to work for myself and used my experience gained from people far more intellectual than me to help me do this – career hopping whatever you want to call it. Selfishness, perhaps.

    I was poor when I worked on a magazine, I’m even poorer now. The difference is quality of life and being able to go to White Acres for another six weeks this year!

  • #130974

    TF_paulD
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    looks like you made a good choice then Lewis. ~clap

    lets hope that our shops survive the weather but i think a bigger threat are outfits like Avanti n Ultimate that are knocking out copied gear at silly prices.
    I already have a 25 mile round trip to my local shop which will be 40 miles if he goes under.

  • #131041

    TF_tomlegge
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    Surprised to see renewed interest in this post, but happy to add further opinion. My info suggests the whole angling media game is due a shake up this spring with a new mag launching plus some special projects from established publishers on the bubble.

    Wightangler’s praise for DHP’s investment and faith in youth is totally justified. Jon A & Tom S apart, others have also done great work in recent years and still work in the angling trade. The same can be said for ex-EMAP/Bauer journos such as Steve Cole and more recently Lewis who were brought on board and given big responsibilities at tender ages.

    I’ve known Lewis a long time now and his individual streak gives him amazing energy plus endless ideas and total faith in his judgements which I’m certain will continue to propel him onwards and upwards.

    Back with DHP, Dave H’s role has been huge and proves that an elite angler of middle age with the right temperament, drive and desire can fill a major post in the media. His predecessor was also an elite angler, but by his own admission Sean Ashby quickly realised the media wasn’t for him. Fair play to him for trying, and to Dave for showing how it can be done.

    At Anglers Mail, the team has hardly changed since my time there ended nearly 9 years ago. Features Ed Richard Howard was there when I joined and must be close to a 25 years service medal. Editor Tim Knight and deputy Paul Dennis have also been there for ages, yet that mag is still surviving and thriving commercially.

    I’ve not had many dealings with EMAP/Bauer over the years but I do know they are still market leaders with AT where Dickie Lee has been at the helm for ages.

    To me it’s great that the angling media can sustain a living for so many talented people who love the sport, regardless of age. And to the knockers, like I’ve always said ‘why not try doing it better yourself?’

  • #131054

    @lewis wrote:

    Just seen this post, and me being mentioned, so I will respond :).

    Unfortunately, the state of the trade will hurt everyone, not just retailers.

    If manufacturers sell less gear to retailers, magazine advertising yields get hit massively, thus hurting publishers.

    This, added to increased print and associated costs, mean magazines in general are being hit as much as anyone else in these tough times.

    If I didn’t think this was the case, I’d have set a magazine up instead of buying my first shop!

    I had a great time at Emap, as it was known then, but I’m exactly the sort of person you don’t want as an editor. I have a true love of the sport yes, but also had a desire to work for myself and used my experience gained from people far more intellectual than me to help me do this – career hopping whatever you want to call it. Selfishness, perhaps.

    I was poor when I worked on a magazine, I’m even poorer now. The difference is quality of life and being able to go to White Acres for another six weeks this year!

    ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap very good answer lewis and very honest top marks mate hope we can ride these tough times for the sake of the sport

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