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  • #48185

    TF_brian a
    Participant

    can anyone advise on best rod for casting method feeders/pva bags to 80 yds plus ?

  • #146776

    coxp001
    Participant

    Shimano Aerocast 14ft heavy feeder will be ideal
    Excellent rod for playing carp as well
    Expensive but worth the money

  • #146894

    TF_brian a
    Participant

    thanks, I will need to find a stockist

  • #146913

    Off on a tangent a little.
    I bought a hardy extreme feeder 13ft rod around 3 weeks ago along with a shimano xtb 5500 reel.
    Ive used the rod and reel combination a few times now and im a little underwhelmed.
    Sure the rod looks great however the butt ring is a very small 10.5mm.
    The distances ive managed to cast havent been epic by any means despite being a competant caster.
    So whats the problem? Im inclined to believe the reel spool is too big for the rod which i think would suit a 4000 reel instead.
    Does anyone own this rod and if so what reel do you have on it and are you pleased with it.

  • #146914

    TF_carpcruncher
    Participant

    I’m using the 12ft prototype Marksmen Extream distance feeder rod at the minuite , and have been getting to distances of 120 yrds and hitiing the clip , with a small 30 grm kobra method feeder. 8lb line staright through. I prefer 12ft rods over 13 ft rods , I also have a couple of the 13 fts , i can still hit that distance but Im not as accurate. The reels I’m using is an old Daiwa Capricorn 3500

    The Marksman 13ft is a specialist tool though , and just beacause its a big chuck rod , dont mean your going to chuck it huge distances , it still takes alot of skill to chuck those distances on a regular basis ..practice makes perfect!! 😉

  • #146915

    TF_squatt
    Member

    dirkdiggler the hardy rod you mention i don’t think is all it’s cracked up to be. imo you need shimano aerocasts and browning kingfeeders. Both have good blanks, large guide diameters and sensible tips. carpcruncher you must be the only lad I know chucking 120 yards using 8lbs straight through. God knows what you could achieve using 4lbs and a shocker or even braid. Get real.

  • #146927

    Whoa easy fellas!
    The thing with the hardy is the ringing of the rod.
    I was amazed when i unwrapped it, in carp fishing rod manufactorors have been using up to 50mm ringing for a good while now.
    I genuinely dont understand why hardys have put a 10.5mm butt eye on an extreme distance feeder rod, oh and before we start on a casting technique thing ive cast a measured 165 yds with a century fmj so ive an idea about what im doing thank you.

  • #146931

    TF_nick2b
    Member

    dirk

    Is it just the butt ring that is too small – would it be worth changing it?
    I’m interested as I am looking for a long range feeder rod and was thinking of the Hardy along with a Tri-Cast legend 4000 or a Browning King Feeder for roach fishing with braid primarily.

    I would be interested in your view – I had dismissed the PI Dutchmaster as too poky and don’t want to make the same mistake when I bought the Garbolino Distance Feeder (horrible rod!).

  • #146940

    TF_carpcruncher
    Participant

    @squatt wrote:

    dirkdiggler the hardy rod you mention i don’t think is all it’s cracked up to be. imo you need shimano aerocasts and browning kingfeeders. Both have good blanks, large guide diameters and sensible tips. carpcruncher you must be the only lad I know chucking 120 yards using 8lbs straight through. God knows what you could achieve using 4lbs and a shocker or even braid. Get real.

    Squatt , Other anglers that know how to use these rods are also casting these distances. Dont knock it until you have seen it. If you want come upto Barston and I will show you??

    I was at Barston last week . I was on peg 114 . peg 113 is onto the point of the island. Nigel has measured the distance from the pegs opposite the middle of the island with a specialist tool that he uses to measure the yards on Golf coarses , and has said that to the face of the island its 90 yrds. to the side of the island is 100 yrds. Now As I said I was on peg 114 . and casting upto the side of the island as peg 113 was not in. I was also clipped up and hitting the clip. so all in all I was hitting around 110 plus yrds , and hitting the clip. I know of other anglers at Barston that have and can also do this on a regular occasion .. Yes the Rod is a Big help but as said its knowing how to do it. and learning how to use and have the confidence in the rod. My dad Crusty , Uses one of the Garbolino range of rods , and puts it 100 yrds plus with that , Nice rod , but its all down to personel choice and your style of casting…iif you want ask Gaz wood how for I was chucking it when I was next to him on one of the matches. It aint all talk..its Facts mate!

  • #146942

    I fished next to Lee last Saturday on peg 115..i have to confirm he was doing what he says. He was easily hitting his clip ,we spoke for most of the match as these pegs are open to each other and i quizzed him on what he was using and its exactly what he told me. 🙂

  • #146964

    Going off what your saying i need to try with a smaller reel also which one of the tips were you using?
    Cheers.

  • #146966

    I don’t know why anyone would need a 14 foot rod for chucking 80 yards?

    As Lee says about barston, I’ve drawn 111 on the face of the island my last 2 trips and have hit it with ease with plenty in reserve with a Tri Cast 12’6″ Method Rod. Just a simple 4000 reel 6lb Maxima straight through. Caught bugger all though…..should’ve chucked shorter! :rolleyes:

  • #146991

    Do any of you guys give casting lessons? Can I book you please. It’s hard enough putting a 2oz bomb 120yds on braid straight through let alone a loaded 1oz method on mono! I’m impressed.

  • #146732

    TF_squatt
    Member

    Mike, rocketfeeder, if you get a lesson sorted I will go halves with you as my technique must be poor. Why do we need braid if everyone is suddenly chucking huuuuuge distances with either 6/8lbs mono on 12ft rods. Off the point slightly but I fished Marsworth Ressy today at 60 turns on a Titanos 4500, approx 60 meters, everyone there thought I was going 80+meters. Think on!!!!

  • #147041

    Anonymous

    Lessons or practice may be the answer.
    Many years ago (20ish) I was battered both sides on the Trent because I could not get my blockend feeder over to the far bank rocks where the chub were – a long chuck.
    All the lads said you need a Daiwa 11-13 at 13 foot to get over there.
    I was (and still do) using the original Drennan 12 foot Big Feeder rod and read that a certain Mr Scotthorne also used that rod for his long range feeder work on the river at that time.
    I decided it was me and not the rod, so in the close season I went down to the same peg, with the same rod, and played around with lines a shock leaders and technique until I could get over there consistently.
    The story has a happy ending – I won the opening match of the season with far bank chub that those around me could not cast to.

  • #147042

    TF_carpmagic
    Participant

    Whilst on the subject of barston i was on 112 the other day and have to admit the island is a very easy chuck. I could hit it with a 12′ rod and a 36gram method with ease. I also have my suspicions that it isnt 90 yards but i could be wrong on that one. A mate of mine drew it the week before and said tight to it was 90 turns on a 5000 stradic, now a 5000 stradic doesnt wind a yard a turn, that i do know. I think when it comes to distance people get carried away somewhat.

  • #147048

    TF_James_H
    Member

    I drew alongside the island last year on the roadside bank, after spending all day on the method we worked out I was casting 82yards, that was level with the side of the island. We counted turns etc so it’s by no means accurate, but gives an idea. It was a comfortable chuck on the day. However, I drew peg 5 recently on the Masters match, it looks a comfortable distance but I struggled to put my method consistently on the bridge. It’s very deceiving how far these distances are, and how far people think they’re casting. A massive factor is the wind. The prevailing wind at Barston always seems to be in your face on the river bank, which surely will only assist you from the road side bank.

    I know nothing about rods and eyes etc, but what I do know is I had a larger eye put on my rod to suit the big spool on my Ultegra reel, and it definitely makes a difference.

  • #147049

    Steve

    It was 84 turns on a Daiwa Excellor plus 4000. Deffo not 90 yards.

    I think a lot of people make the mistake of turns equalling yards.

    There seems to be a bit of a bream feeder method feeder conflict on this thread. Quite simply a method feeder travels better and further than an open ender (even a rocket feeder) so of course it’s harder to cast one.

    I’ve seen some terrible techniques chucking a long way with braid though.

  • #147051

    Anonymous

    braid..the thing is the bow..keep the feeder low and punch to the clip..easier said then done 😮

  • #147057

    @squatt wrote:

    Mike, rocketfeeder, if you get a lesson sorted I will go halves with you as my technique must be poor. Why do we need braid if everyone is suddenly chucking huuuuuge distances with either 6/8lbs mono on 12ft rods. Off the point slightly but I fished Marsworth Ressy today at 60 turns on a Titanos 4500, approx 60 meters, everyone there thought I was going 80+meters. Think on!!!!

    Reminds me of a bloke with over 30years coarse fishing experience tell me I was fishing over 100yds when I was fishing 60yds (66 turns). When I told him he was fishing at around 45yds he wouldn’t have it because he was chucking ’60yds’, uhm…

    I can tell you that a Daiwa TDA (Team Daiwa Advantage) 3500 is 11 turns for 10yards, now this reel is almost identical to the Daiwa Capricorn (I think they use the same spool and the gearing is the same), if you look at the Exceller Plus 4000 it’s not that disimilar (I would hazard a guess that the spool size on the 4000 is no different to the TDA 3500) I would be amazed if the cm per turn is much different. I’m willing to bet a brand new rocketfeeder that 84 turns of an Exceller Plus is ~75yds. This is a world of difference from chucking 90yds let alone 110+.

  • #147058

    TF_carpmagic
    Participant

    The 5000 stradic is about 0.85m per turn of the handle. So at 90 turns which the island is you are looking at 76 metres which is around 83 yards.
    I dont think people realise how big a chuck 100 yards is.

  • #147072

    TF_squatt
    Member

    Right an excelor plus winds 800mm/turn therefore at 84 turns your fishing just over 67m. Still a nice distance but didn’t it all start out that someone was fishing 120yards. It’s worse than Jackanory this distance casting and what rod is capable of doing it. I’ve spent the last two years getting on top of this technique, I’ve had Daiwa 11/13, Tricast 5000 and Garbolinos. I’ve now settled on Aerocasts and Kingfeeders as they suit me. I used to use 4000 excelor plus reels, these are bigger than 5000 shimanos. However I now use 4500 Titanos mini pits. Let me finally say that there is alot of difference between 70m and 100m when casting. It’s no good just hitting the clip with a dirty great bow forming and you have to be accurate. If less bullsit was talked distances etc then other anglers would not listen and go off and buy a rod thats not up to the job.

  • #147083

    TF_mart4666
    Member

    @carpmagic wrote:

    The 5000 stradic is about 0.85m per turn of the handle. So at 90 turns which the island is you are looking at 76 metres which is around 83 yards.
    I dont think people realise how big a chuck 100 yards is.

    totally agree with wot steve is saying here. also bear in mind that 0.85m per turn is with reel brim full,NOT when your 120yds out ?? and your level is down then every turn will be less than this figure

  • #147085

    coxp001
    Participant

    I regularly fish loch ken where every man and his dog reckons they can chuck 100 yds +
    most of them don’t fish any further than about 70 yds. !!!!
    I can chuck 100 yds + but only in ideal conditions and when the weight of the feeder is perfect for the rod and with fine braid on the reel ( which doesn’t make a lot of difference to the spool loading when 100 yds has been cast off !! )
    The best chucking rod I have used is the original beastmaster 14ft xhxl rod but only when the feeder is over 70gm
    The next best chucking rod with smaller feeders ie Max of 50 or 60 gm is either the 14ft king feeder or the 14ft Aerocast
    This is based on not only the chucking abilities but also the fact you can reel in small fish quickly on braid from megga distances without them coming off
    You need to have the proper gear but more importantly you need the skill to constantly chuck Megga distances accurately

  • #147100

    Anonymous

    the distance to the island on the lake at barston can be easily checked by going to google maps then to the lake at barston, cliking to satellite mode and then by using the scale on the map you can measure the distance pretty accurately with a ruler. it looks like about 60 odd metres to the nearest point of the island and around 75 metres to either side of the island. still a very long cast though and i doubt whether i could get that far!

  • #147109

    TF_James_H
    Member

    @azt123 wrote:

    the distance to the island on the lake at barston can be easily checked by going to google maps then to the lake at barston, cliking to satellite mode and then by using the scale on the map you can measure the distance pretty accurately with a ruler. it looks like about 60 odd metres to the nearest point of the island and around 75 metres to either side of the island. still a very long cast though and i doubt whether i could get that far!

    I have to say Google Earth looks pretty accurate. Peg 14 to the centre point of the fountain, Google Earth measure 97 yrds (note fountain has now moved). First peg adjacent the car park (peg 115ish) by the island on golf course side of the lake, perpendicular to the bank (roughly where peg 37 casts but this side of the island) measures 76yrds.

    Peg 5 to the directly beneath the bridge measures 90yrds.

  • #147121

    TF_breamer
    Participant

    would be good for the big chuckers and novices to have a day at barston or an other venue where big chucks can take place and where we all could get together and learn from each other and hopefully sort the distance game out.
    compare rods, reels techniques etc?

  • #147149

    TF_daveyboy
    Member

    @carpmagic wrote:

    The 5000 stradic is about 0.85m per turn of the handle. So at 90 turns which the island is you are looking at 76 metres which is around 83 yards.
    I dont think people realise how big a chuck 100 yards is.

    Should the above read, 83 yds, 76mts?

  • #147192

    Anonymous
  • #147206

    TF_p2hl_p2hl
    Member

    who far out is the island

    http://www.mappedometer.com/

    check it out for your self…

    search the barston postcode B92 0LB, and record a straight line distance…

    nd depending on what peg you are on it would be 60-80 meters.

    peter

  • #147134

    TF_FBlues
    Member

    It’s really funny this, but on the recent Tight Lines Young Angler day I was with Steve Hemingray who was past the island, about 6 pegs I guess, on the golf bank. He was chucking 2/3rds across with an ordinary Drennan Medium Feeder rod. Nigel told me all about distances to the island and how far SH was casting. It was a decent chuck, I’d say about 65-70m, with the lake being about 100m at that point. Nigel told me it was 140m, based on where the island was and how far that was. We debated it but I didn’t change my mind, LOL. I used to play cricket and I know what 20m looks like. Most people’s 100m is closer to 65 in reality. I regularly check using my sea fishing braid which is loaded onto a Certate 4500. It’s marked every metre, 5m and 10m so very easy to count back.

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