Blurb………

His name is Dave Mason. He used to write for Midland Angler and has been round Micks to do an article on him………….

OOOooh….the thick plottens eh…

@Happy Dangler wrote:

Somebody selling 7 lots of MW’s – over 40 floats on ebay….

Love the excuse for making a huge profit…..

Quote…..

I am only selling because my team has signed a sponsorship deal, and I will be using floats from our sponsor in future.

So why not put them up for sale at the original price instead of trying to make a profit?

Dave mason goes by the TF name brummiedave i think…

He tried selling some on here not long ago but got shot down in flames

What do you mean “shot down” kev?

Making a profit and re-selling them jason….

HD his excuse may well be original but is it a truthful one?

But Ive seen loads of people sell Wilkies on here?
Why was he singled out to be any different?

I think the problem is he is selling them to make a profit rather than lot of people on here sell them at the price they paid for them

all the MWs and sconeeeeeeees I don’t want, mainly due to owning several hundred of each, I just give them to mates, Kin El, I could have been rich!!

Greedy c*cks if you ask me! (which of course you didn’t!)

Giving away Sconeeees…??

My office T*t…

Every time he has one that doesn’t go under, he gives it away. The floats are obviously faulty.

On the e-bay/Wilkie issue…..we’ve been through this issue a few times lately. It’s a great shame people do it.

I have loads of SconeZone and HillBilly floats that need a good home. I may sell them to the highest bidder but then again a may not.

Then I have over a 1000 MW’s that were made in China they are outstanding copies.

Zinkys Skunkz’s floats will be out very soon ~clap

At the end of the day people will pay money for these, can’t really blame him for wanting to make a few quid on them, i know i’d do it given the chance.

Sorry but if u don’t agree with it don’t bid, simple as.

He doesnt have to sell them for a profit as many have said.

I cant see anyone on here (or on Andys Angle who have a place specifically for trading in MW floats) having anything to say if he sold them at cost.

Bad form really.

I might as well chuck another spanner in….

If people are prepared to pay silly ammounts to own either Micks,Neils’,Gazs’,or Ians’,why not just put the price up in the first place ?…

Let the makers of the floats make the profit..
Afterall,it is their hard graft which goes into making them.

The black market will fall flat then………

just shows there’s some right dodgy dealers live in Derby lol

@Corndawg (moderator) wrote:

I might as well chuck another spanner in….

If people are prepared to pay silly ammounts to own either Micks,Neils’,Gazs’,or Ians’,why not just put the price up in the first place ?…

Let the makers of the floats make the profit..
Afterall,it is their hard graft which goes into making them.

The black market will fall flat then………

Been saying that to Mick for months now, but he seems to think that people will pay more for his floats from him!!!

As has already been said, Mick has no problem with people selling his floats as long as they are not buying them on the site & putting them straight on ebay for profit purposes.

When Mick gets back from his holiday, I will speak to him again and try to get this put to bed permanently.

But it’s true though……..

Reckon up the labour time in making a float,then add on leccy for the lathe,tools,paint,etc,and I bet it costs more to make the float than they actually sell them for……

I know Mick and the rest do it as a kind of hobby,but at the end of the day,they shouldn’t sell themselves short…….

This is where
the profiteers get their action…….

The problem with MW floats is basic economics. Where supply does not meet demand the price will go up. As the supply can not be increased then the way in which the product is supplied to the consumer needs to be looked at.

Maybe the answer is to go back to what I understand was the old way of ordering MW Floats in that you can place an order when you want and you get them when they are ready even if that is in six months time?

Put a limit of 20 floats per order and you can only order again once your current order has been despatched. This will stop anybody over ordering and then selling the surplas on at a profit.

Hopefully this would allow everybody the chance to get some MW Floats and stop people being desperate enough to pay over the top on e-bay there by stopping the profitering that is going on at the moment?

It might mean I get some as I must have looked on the website 300plus times over the last few months with no joy!!

You have a good point their Brian. Ultimately it’s up to the man himself though.

I suppose the ‘old way’ meant you knew you would get your floats, you just didn’t know when. The website was presumably set up to make it easier because of the volume of requests he was getting…!!

I’m putting an order limit on mine when I start making again…20 float max order…That’s ONLY because I don’t carry stock and make them specifically to order. 5 orders a week is about my limit, so that’s only 100 floats…time taken to cut these is around an hour…time to glue, sand, seal, sand, paint, sand, tip, colour, sand and varnish is about 20 hours.

Not that I want to stop any profiteering as mine are that good, no-one in their right mind would want to flog them again you know…! But, I do maintain that there are some greedy buggers out there who are in it to make a fast buck.

Prices will not change because a float is a float is a float etc etc…I wouldn’t want to pay more than a fiver a float anyhow, don’t matter how good they are.

:o)

@Scone wrote:

I’m putting an order limit on mine when I start making again…20 float max order…That’s ONLY because I don’t carry stock and make them specifically to order. 5 orders a week is about my limit, so that’s only 100 floats…time taken to cut these is around an hour…time to glue, sand, seal, sand, paint, sand, tip, colour, sand and varnish is about 20 hours.

Not that I want to stop any profiteering as mine are that good, no-one in their right mind would want to flog them again you know…! But, I do maintain that there are some greedy buggers out there who are in it to make a fast buck.

Prices will not change because a float is a float is a float etc etc…I wouldn’t want to pay more than a fiver a float anyhow, don’t matter how good they are.

:o)

problem there is you now have a large somerset fan base who all want your floats after seeing me misuse them. i have loads of orders can i be a sconie float agent for the south west

At a fiver a float Herbs, you can chew me off mate…!

@Chum Mixer wrote:

just shows there’s some right dodgy dealers live in Derby lol

I was just about to pull you up on those deflamatory remarks about derbyshire folk ,but i reminded myself of all the years i’ve been doing carbooting ! c’est la vie , …..

At the end of the day this will always happen whilst people are prepared to buy them, whatever the price. He’s doing nothing wrong in my view other than trying to make a profit which is something we strive for all of our lives surely?

Is it just certain patterns that are being purchased in bulk and sold on e-bay? Reason I ask is that theres been Slim Powers on there for near enough 24 hours and they haven’t sold ~think

I must say that Wilkies, Sconey’s and Hillbillies look magic in a dark teak presentation case that is back lit…..

agreed spike the price people will pay for what they want – but isn’t that the same for heroin~think

Cheers for the tip. I’ve just ordered some!!

(I mean off Floatman – NOT from ebay…)

@Fordy wrote:

Cheers for the tip. I’ve just ordered some!!

~clap ~clap

I think we should give the guy the benefit of the doubt, he bought some, he doesn’t use them anymore, he is flogging them on ebay, I can’t see the problem, I really can’t.

@Scone wrote:

At a fiver a float Herbs, you can chew me off mate…!

just get out to that shed and make me 20 mini deez
the yokels love em. Ive got my dog guarding my slender stock.

I can vouch that Brummie Dave is a nice bloke, he is one of the good genuine guys, and he will be gutted if was being accused of profiterring.

If he put them on eBay, and sold them for the cost price, somone would just buy them and put them back on for auction!

Thanks Nige.
Yes it is me who’s selling my floats on ebay.
They’re all about two years old, and have all (or nearly all) used.
As per the guidelines on ebay regarding selling these specific items: “Mick has no problem with people selling used floats they no longer require”
The reason I didn’t offer them on here at cost price is simple- why should I?
My car needs two new tyres, and a tank of fuel will cost another £80.
If I can make enough for either, or better still, both, out of floats I no longer use, why shouldn’t I?

I did NOT buy these floats to sell on- they are OLD.

Now, as for what floats could be good enough to make me swap from MW’s- cheap ones!
The main benefit of Micks floats, as he told me himself, is that they last better than anything else on the market. They are better made, stronger, etc…
I’m now paying pennies for floats, due to our teams sponsorship deal.
I’d rather break 10 of these than lose one of Micks.

Van Gough only ever sold one painting whilst he was alive- and he received 50 guilders for it.
Does that mean that anyone who sells a Van Gough for more than about £100 is profiteering?
If so, good luck to them.

Anyone who has an objection to someone turning a profit when they see the opportunity should read a book. It’s called “The Wealth of Nations” by Adam Smith.
If you still think profit is a dirty word, move to Cuba and ask the twelve year old prostitutes outside the Cohiba nightclub how communism is working for them.
Otherwise, accept the fact that if someone is willing to pay good money for a second hand item, plenty of people are going to be willing to sell. Me included.

But David the tops of them have never been wet~naughty

Is it possible to buy Micks floats from his website online? Every time I look they are out of stock and it says you cannot order. Does he say make floats for the stars / his mates and then sell what is left over or do all the floats go on the website? If they go on the website is their a particular day/time of the month?

Rob, I assure you, as a friend, that all these floats are old.
I’m looking at them now, on my desk.
The Tapered Diamonds are pretty much all USED.
The cane D’s are half used, but all have been rigged up.
The Margins are all well used.
The cookies are all well used.
The Pastes aren’t much used- that’s because I’m crap on paste.
And the Pellets are well used.

I’m now buying pole floats for less than 90p each- What would YOU do????

Anyway, with two and a half days to go, I’ve got enough for my tyres, so I’m a happy bunny!

And to be honest, two tyres are worth a lot more tyhan a few floats.- You don’t get points on your lisence for dodgy floats.

@brummie dave wrote:

You don’t get points on your lisence for dodgy floats.

Ernie the fastest milkman in the west did~clap ~clap ~clap

Fordy wrote

“Cheers for the tip. I’ve just ordered some!!

(I mean off Floatman – NOT from ebay…) “

and there lies the problem, while ever there are people ordering floats direct from Mick, how on earth are people who want these floats supposed to get them from the website?

Fordy, dont you realise that you are one of the root causes of the problem, as if you are circumventing the website, stopping supply getting to market, it forces up demand, and therefore price.~naughty

I am with AndyT on this one, I have a huge array of Wilkies, rather than sell any extras I gave a load away at the Glebe.

I will not name who I gave them to, but the angler concerned was gobsmacked when I offerd them to him for FREE.

I’m sure Fordy DID order them from the website??

They were available on there for more than 24hrs!

Fordy did order off the website, there is still some slim powers on there now…..i ordered some last night..

There you go Dr B, you can order some yourself.

🙂

Apologies to you Fordy, i mis read your post

Johnny Mac – being a bit presumptious there

I have given up on Micks Floats, as i dont have the time to keep looking at the website every friday at 6 (if this is still the time they are supposed to go on)

I also feel the need to comment on my amazement at the double standards of people on this forum. only a couple of weeks ago a member by the name of Tom Scholey, was roundly attacked by certain members of this site for daring to try and argue that anyone selling the floats on ebay and making a profit was following normal market forces.

Now, the same people, have one of the people who is doing the selling, on the thread, and no one has said anything against him.

I have no clear view either way, which is why i didnt remark on the previous thread, but those who did should stand by their convictions.
I think it was mentioned on that particular thread that the person should be banned from this site.

Fair comment from Dave, if mick don’t mind I cant see a problem??
50 BTW

I think there is a big difference between selling some old floats, than buying from the site just to sell for a profit.

Dabbsie

Did the person who sparked the previous thread buy to sell?

I cant remember (and I am not reading through all that again) that seller coming on and stating his position either way.

i have some mw pellet floats to sell i never use as i like yellow tops these have orange forot to ask for yellow most unused but have been in my box so an odd bit of dirt on them had them about 2 years if anyone is interested

1 x 0.1
3 x 0.2
4 x 0.3
2 x 0.4
1 x 0.5
2 x 0.6

13 floats in total

ill have em’ boss bait if they are in good nick

@jake_tmve wrote:

ill have em’ boss bait if they are in good nick

all in pretty good nick an odd scratch and a bit of dirt

how much u want for the then mate ?

@jake_tmve wrote:

how much u want for the then mate ?

not sure how much they cost but make me a reasonable offer dont want to make on them as long as you are going to use them not sell them on at profit

how about £17.and no mate i want to use them – been after some for ages just every time i look on the site – sold out. i got my hands on one and paid £3 for it!!

@jake_tmve wrote:

how about £17.and no mate i want to use them – been after some for ages just every time i look on the site – sold out. i got my hands on one and paid £3 for it!!

was looking to get my money back i know they cost me more than about £1.30 each there are 13 floats

hows £20 sound then matey ?

got to be worth at least £30.

29.25

@jake_tmve wrote:

hows £20 sound then matey ?

£30 inc postage thats about £2 quid each

yeah sound mate, will pm u my details

Everyones points of view are valued equally on this site. But some are more equal than others to some members it seems.

@jake_tmve wrote:

29.25

didnt see that one

bb do you have paypal ?

@jake_tmve wrote:

bb do you have paypal ?

yes

now sold to jake_tmve

Nice when people misunderstand and jump to conclusions. I, unlike some, don’t have double standards.

There is a difference with what Brummie Dave is doing to the stuff the other week – and that is the floats he is selling are second hand. They are used. He didn’t buy them with the sole intention of selling them on for a profit.

fordy

well that was a gracious acceptance of an apology, thanks

So are you now saying that it is OK to make a profit from Micks floats as long as they are used?

unbelievable

what about all the comments about making money from fellow anglers?
Surely this is even worse. the floats are used and he is making a profit.

comments like “ripping off” etc. were used in that thread.

So, for the record, are you for or against selling Micks floats at a profit?

Just one more question, how is the selling of second hand floats at a profit not ripping off fellow anglers when selling them for profit when new is?

I look forward to your answers to the above.

If you hadn’t shot your mouth off in the first place you wouldn’t have needed to apologise, would you? To my knowledge I have never met you – but you still feel able to make a judgement on my morals.

Actually, I don’t think it’s right for Brummie Dave to sell these floats on for more than what they cost him – but it is different to the previous profiteering, which is a deliberate attempt by the other seller to cash in on Mick Wilkinson’s reputation.

If I had second hand Wilkies to pass on, I’d offer them as a charity raffle prize or something similar – but then I have a conscience and rate friendships more highly than the cost of a set of cheap car tyres.

nice U turn lol

Perhaps there should be a little note that comes with these floats when you purchase them that says…”whatever you do don’t sell these floats on ebay after you have finished with them, otherwise Fordy won’t be your friend anymore”?

How’s that a u-turn?

For the umpteenth time, this type of thing winds up those of us who are fortunate enough to count Wilkie as a friend.

He doesn’t make floats to make a fortune. He started off making them as a hobby – and because he does it so well, top anglers started to demand his product. His reputation grew – and he’s tried to keep up with the demand that’s created. He’s not a major tackle manufacturer – just a bloke, a fellow angler, in a shed.

The whole ‘hand made’ thing seems to have passed numerous idiots by. So does the ‘decency’ side of things. This means the person bulk-buying Wilkie floats direct off the website and selling them for profit is taking advantage of the demand – and undermining the dozens of loyal customers who understand the way this system works and are happy to buy off the Floatman website – as I did yesterday.

It’s fine for Brummie Dave to sell his used floats on e-bay if that’s what he wants to do. It’s also fine for people to spend £5 a float if they are daft enough to do it. Others, however, will judge them for it.

I do wonder if those who complain are not somewhat hypocritical. Have they never sold something on ebay, a car boot, a second hand car? Surely when anybody sells something they do so in the hope that they make a profit?

It does seem Mick undervalues his floats given the time,effort required and the finished quality of his floats. Maybe he should raise the price?

The impression I feel is that the ‘inner circle’ of those who are Mick’s friends are actually happy thaty they possess large numbers of his floats whilst others cannot do so. Self satisified gloating comes to mind and that any alternative source of purchasing the floats, widening their circulation is frowned upon. Maybe Mick’s friends should have paid Mick more for the floats they buy at such bargain price.

Mick seems the one that loses out.

Total b*llocks.

This ”alternative source” you speak of. Where do the floats come from?

Its you who has the problem here Fordy, not me, Dave Mason or any of the other ‘idiots’ as you have so diplomatically labelled us.

If you are so small minded that you can’t accept other people have different ways of looking at things than you without insulting them then I don’t know why you bother getting into debates such as these in the first place.

You are entitled to your opinion, but so is everybody else, and just because everyone else doesn’t share your unique morals on simple economic principals doesn’t necessarily make them greedy or a bad person.

Dave Mason is a good friend of mine, a man of great integrity and ‘greedy’ is the last word that sprongs to mind in reference to him.

I worked with you and had the pleasure of working with Dave at Regional Angling Magazines, and Dave was fantastic, during his guest editorship of Midland Angler while Tom Legge was away went like a dream, everything was delivered on time and he went the extra mile to mke sure everything was done right. He is certainly not a man driven by money, but by an overwhelming desire to do a good job.

Its a pity there aren’t more like him in the angling trade.

How can you judge somebody on what they do with some used floats? It’s bonkers!!

For once I agree with you baitchef…

I “had a pop” at the top of this thread without knowing the facts…I presumed it was some knob profiteering again, but I’ve retracted the statement I made after contacting the seller.

I’ve got some second-hand undercrackers in the shed…use them for cleaning the car, but Keeley Hazell has had her hands around them. Bids anyone…?

Watch out Fordy, they’re all ganging up on you…LOL

I’ve got some second-hand undercrackers in the shed…use them for cleaning the car, but Keeley Hazell has had her hands around them. Bids anyone…?

Dream on pal 🙂

Well Tom we all know where you stand on this, don’t we. You made that pretty clear in the last round of discussions we had on here.

I’ve known Dave (as a poster – not in person) for as long as I’ve been a member on this forum and have never had any issue with him at all. Quite the opposite.

If he wants to sell stuff second hand, then it’s up to him. If you read things a little more carefully and try to take in the information you will see I’ve clearly said there are two different issues here. Buying new and selling for profit is vastly different to selling second hand.

Lets all have a big total-fishing hug……

I’m very very poor due to having to go to work to keep two young kids, pay the mortgage and i have a drink problem.

Has anyone got any of these floats they can send me for free so i can see what all the fuss is about.

And I agree with you Mr Telly too…in fact I’m feeling most agreeable today. Unusual considering I’ve had a real shitter at work, but I’ve got a fascinating evening float-making to look forward to. (After the footy of course)
I will then be drinking again with that wonderful lady who goes by the name of Madame Artois.

If I had second hand Wilkies to pass on, I’d offer them as a charity raffle prize or something similar – but then I have a conscience and rate friendships more highly than the cost of a set of cheap car tyres.

Have I misread this as you being partonising and nasty Fordy?

People are constantly judged on how they behave. It’s how society functions. Even with people from Newbury.

No Tom – that’s a statement of fact.

Patronising, yes. I thought you needed the help.

Nasty, no.

I rest my case

Oh good. About time you did as it was pretty weak.

Look gents,

Lets all stop bickering…..

A lot of us,(Myself included),have jumped to the wrong conclusions,regards the selling of these floats,so why not just swallow humble pie,and apologise,like I am going to do now….

Dave,

I made a mistake,and I apologise……

And for Koofs sake lets get back to being a happy bunch again…..

Let’s all get back to being a loving caring community….

So who’s going to send me some free floats?

PM me your postal address and I will happily send you a couple of Power Slims when my new ones arrive.