This should be fun! What about lazy overpaid university teachers while we’re on…haha!

Meeeeeeeoooooooooooow!!!!!!!!!!………..

1 Dave harrell must be heading to fleet street soon with stan piecha back under his wing
2 Jon Arthur must be a millionaire just in backhanders first thing he says “its not my car before you say anything”
3 ken wade must be one of britain’s fat cats by now, must struggle to spend all that money he’s saved on his phone bills
4 tony keeling he must sleep on his wealth the money he’s saved on haircuts over the years
5 dave hall THE GODFATHER of all of them linked to the Russian millions over the years back in the days of betty’s cafe in kegworth
6 stan piecha without doubt the tightest one of all he’d nick a £1 of a tramp
it could be the same group linked with the take over of man utd or even dorking
~sick ~sick ~sick

Or maybe they don’t have to justify themselves to people on internet forums!! Why should they have too, just because a minority don’t like what they do.

i was only joking ~sick ~sick ~sick ~sick

@joffmiester wrote:

i was only joking ~sick ~sick ~sick ~sick

My comment wasn’t aimed at you mate it was just my opinion on the thread.

Hacked off with someone are we..??

What is wrong with them? Most are anglers who became anglers / journalists. Yet, they seem as good as journalist for other sports / pastimes. Better in some cases. I daresay lower pay too.

I think the lads at the mags do a great job , and fishing in general has not seen no sudden bursts of change in the last 15 yrs , with it being mainly around the commercial scene , so is becoming harder and harder to write about , and come up with new things if methods are not changing.

Its normaly the ones that moan about match organisers aswell , that think they know it all , think they can do it better , but once asked if they would care to step up to the plate and have a crack ….they go all quiet!!~think

I know I grafted when I was editing… although some folk thought otherwise 😀

My hours now are probably between 55hrs+ per week these days now I’m on photography duty, I do 30,000 miles a year and perks-wise I get to spend a lot of time with good anglers, watching them fish great venues (mostly) – all doing the thing I love most, photography. Probably the best job in the world IMO.

Sometimes we work when it’s raining. Even occasionally on a Friday afternoon.

I worked once when it was raining, and on a Friday afternoon.

Never again.

You want to get yourself a job as a roofer Kevin.

It can be quite dangerous for angling journalists, especially when they are faced with rapidly rising water levels at a lake and standing in the water trying to get the perfect picture, as the icy cold water is rising up their chest waders by the second!!!

I’d have it up to my chin for 30k!

Kev, working from home doesn’t count…. 😉

DW, or in Kev’s case, a rapidly deepening puddle*…

(*on a Friday afternoon).

Always.

Pat did you end up editing by accident? Was photography always your go?

BoB / Anybody what is wrong with Angling Journalists per se?

Do a decent job IMO but I am open to views. I bet most people would kill for their job.

NW – I did a BA Hons in photography at Uni (after two years doing graphic design) so yep, was always the thing I wanted to do. However, my first job after uni was working in the sub-editing dept. at South Yorks News in Doncaster, so that out me in good stead for the editing game. I started out on Total Carp at DHP – did that fr 18-months under Jim Foster – before being invited to work on MF and APF under Dave Wesson and then later running both mags alongside Alex Bones when Dave scarpered to Australia. Then I got the job on APF when we took it monthly in 2004 and the rest is history. Been doing the photography thing for a year now and love it to bits 🙂

@Swimfeeder wrote:

Good, accurate research is a vital tool for angling journalists one would have thought?

Like making sure the likes of Bob Nudd are who they say they are when being photographed… LOL
~clap ~clap

DW oh yes I remember that day well. I shall be forever grateful to you for carrying me through those rising waters.

Just one of the many perils of being an angling journalist. The insurance costs a fortune.

As the saying goes….

It’s a footballers/angling journalists life.

@Swimfeeder wrote:

BoB / Anybody what is wrong with Angling Journalists per se?

Do a decent job IMO but I am open to views. I bet most people would kill for their job.

Nothing as far as I am aware mate?, I posted this thread in response to another thread and another post on here where the Angling Press were slagged off, I thought it was only fair people like Pat and Fordy etc put the record straight, I have tried to be tongue in cheek to stop things getting nasty though, if my comments are misunderstood or taken the wrong way,I can only say, it will not be the first time!
Pat states he works a 55 hour week for his wage, thats a lot of hours to work and will undoubtably lead to mistakes being made.~sick [/quote]

Got you now Bob. Slow on the uptake. I would like to say Time of the Month etc but I have no excuse ~sick

Cheers Pat. I sometime think anglers / people think people get angling journalist jobs simply because they know person X etc Clearly that is not the case.

I know a lot of people talk about the old days article wise etc BUT IMO the standard of articles has improved and the number of magazines has never been greater.

good thread bob and some nice banter and interesting comment from our angler journalists-don’t think you would get this in other sports or mainstream media.
overall i think we,as match-anglers and anglers are very well served with our press- certainly comparitive to more general and current affairs and media generally.
We’re lucky enough to have quality top anglers as editors and journalists , and whom have genuinely discernable passion for angling and that shows.
Don’t think you could have match-fishing nationally without DHP or Bauer~clap to support it competition wise and indeed trade wise.
That said, perhaps, angling and journalist angling can seem a bit ‘in crowdy’ to newcomers or occasional ‘anglers’ sometimes but that’s probably because all the top end know each other on friendly terms and equally as regards the top anglers – it’s natural and really a confirmation of their success in representing and them knowing personally modern match-fishing very professionally.
If ever more money came in from the mainstream as most hope – i think we would lose this closeness and passion and relative openess of these respected people. As the 2 main sites grow this mutual trust and the abillity of professional journalist to be still have angler or ‘street peer cred’ as real and approachable people, is very encouraging to bringing new people and innovations into the sport and deserves respect from us anglers.
Herbie, elsewhere on a thread regarding the angling trust made a very well observed if sad comment on how we moan about those who fight for angling ie the AT- i think the same could also be levelled at how we as anglers, take our Angling press for granted and not give them the unsung credit for their efforts at keeping the sport growing and up to date.Certainly, without them international angling (and perhaps even river matchfishing)would be things of the past.
Ex-ATA ed. Steve Cole once commented that if he put a picture or alluded to our world beating team england on the cover, sales would go down! that’s very sad statistic and confirms the attitude that Herbie was alluding to amongst anglers -many of whom seem stuck in the 1950’s or 1980’s.
Fortunately our press remains admirably vibrant foresighted and passionate about expanding and developing modern match-fishing and those that ably represent our flag.
So well done angling journalist lads, you deserve a big thanks from us and more power to your pens and poles!

Could anybody enlighten me as to how many copies each magazine sells each month?

Deserved to be bumped after I read the comments that BoB was alluding to.

I seldom post here now but can’t resist for this. It is my pleasure to have met Jon Arthur, Pat MacInnes and Fordy. All very professional, dedicated and working in different disciplines. All more than willing to help and promote angling. Not met Mark Sawyer yet but he posts regularly on MFS and seems to know his stuff too.

Fordy has just given up a day on the Glebe as he has to work on editing for Fisho. I had a day out with Jon Arthur after bidding in a charity auction and he couldn’t do enough for us. Pat was there too taking photos all day. Quality people giving a lot to our sport. My opinion only but i think they do a sound job.

Surely the proof is in the reading,

Crap articles and bad journalism will result in poor sales or even the demise of the publications.

On the whole I think the guys do a grand job, im not too keen on the lifting of articles from forums without the correct accreditations, it happens a lot and its probably the laziest form of journalism and if the shoe were on the other foot im sure there would be repercussions.

Lifting articles from forums?

Justin case, can we have some examples please, as that’s a serious allegation.

Not so serious apparently

Unless I get premission from the person thats been looking into this I can’t post any details but I can assure you it happens.

Just as I thought.

And believe me, it IS a serious allegation.

@Kevin W wrote:

Just as I thought.

what as in it didnt happen ?

Just asking for examples, that’s all. Not too much to ask is it?

When the legalalities have been clarified and permission has been granted I will be happy to pm the info to you, the owner may even decide to offer that himself.

Iam sure you will understand I can’t just blatently post what im talking about here as I would be doing exactly the same as what I have suggested.

My point however was a general point of discussion and something I have noticed, To get into individual situations would just send this thread off on a tangent,

No examples.

Argument falls.

Move on.

@Kevin W wrote:

No examples.

Argument falls.

Move on.

Not so fast sonny ~naughty

Just becuase you havent seen what JC is talking about and a few of us have, doesnt mean it hasnt happened~shh ~shh ~shh

I am sure once a certain person is aware of your requests he wil embelish you with the facts.

Argument is very, very valid.~clap

@Kevin W wrote:

Just as I thought.

And believe me, it IS a serious allegation.

I have also seen this happen as have many others on a different forum. So believe me it happens i also don’t thinks it’s the first time and it definitely won’t be the last.

@joffmiester wrote:

1 Dave harrell must be heading to fleet street soon with stan piecha back under his wing
2 Jon Arthur must be a millionaire just in backhanders first thing he says “its not my car before you say anything”
3 ken wade must be one of britain’s fat cats by now, must struggle to spend all that money he’s saved on his phone bills
4 tony keeling he must sleep on his wealth the money he’s saved on haircuts over the years
5 dave hall THE GODFATHER of all of them linked to the Russian millions over the years back in the days of betty’s cafe in kegworth
6 stan piecha without doubt the tightest one of all he’d nick a £1 of a tramp
it could be the same group linked with the take over of man utd or even dorking
~sick ~sick ~sick

so this is not right then~sick ~sick ~sick ~sick

@Kevin W wrote:

No examples.

Argument falls.

Move on.

I can aprechiate your disbelief in this matter as not all journalists adopt this method to source information, but the sad fact is its true, I have now been given permission to post the link here

This is an article that was pulled from a forum which went to press 3 weeks ago page 7 of the Angling Times.

http://www.matchfishing-scene.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6799&highlight=fished

No mention of the actual Forum which was probably down to the fact they have there own forum and wouldnt want to send users elsewhere.

Thanks justin case.

I didn’t disbelieve it, just wanted some evidence to substantiate the accusation you were making.

I can see how people would be irritated if a quote from a forum was simply repeated verbatim in print. Sadly it happens all the time in the nationals. Doesn’t make it right though!

Interesting thread ~clap

lets have some facts about angling journalism?

Ok here goes when writing for southern angler I covered various features including club feature live, now normally I would be in touch with the fishery owner 0nce notified that I would be covering the feature and actually arrive prior to the club attending so if it was an 8.0 am meet I would be there before to aquaint myself with the fishery and introduce myself to the fishery owner, so at least he knows who I am when he sees me clambering all over his fishery, so I could be up at 5.30 and at the fiahery by 7.0am I would be there at the draw to take the team photo and then have breakfast as the lads go to set up, however just prior to the whistle I would go round get all the names of the lads what pegs there on etc, once the whistle is blown the day would be spent taking as many action shots as necessary normally over 100 + pictures,this may mean walking around the lake all day hoping to be in the right spot at the right time, taking photo’s of the weigh etc then I would normally stay after the match and have a chat with the fishery owner and club secretary to get some background info, once home which could be as late as 8pm I would start to prepare a photo fact file associating the names to the fellers in the pictures,this could take a good hour or two, eventually sitting down to write the feature, if the feature was set up the last minute then I would stay up until it was written this if required yesterday could be to two in the morning, email it to the editor sometimes as said well after midnight be up first thing to send off the pictures story etc on disc so that it met the deadline, as the editor has the last say on what pictures are used perm any 5 from say 150, however you still have to have a write up on every photo! covering a match was a lot harder than fishing it rest assured,when | get home now after fishing feeling shattered at least I don’t have to sit on the computer for a couple of hours doing a write up, Oh and my fee at the time was travelling expenses only as I was having chemo for cancer and could not claim a bean, despite Tom Legge (anyone knowing Tom knows he’s a true gent)offering me the going rates for pictures used and features, I had to decline, however it did give me something to focus on during a period of ill health, would I do it unpaid now proberly not, after all i realised it’s not fair on journalists who have to work for a living. I very rarely write these days,if I do it’s for the standard rates, however it ain’t for the lazy thats for sure. As for my health I have now been deemed fully fit.

Good to see some old names back on here ~clap and quality thread cheers Bob~clap .For what it`s worth most of the stuff i read is just regurgitated stuff from elsewhere and when a quality article does appear you soon know about it because of sites like this and MFS because everyone is raving about it.

you want a hard fact about angling journo’s….

They are ALL drawbags, each and every one of them.

That’s the trouble with you Swimfeeder, always sitting on the fence!

😉

Must be quite dissapointing when you work at DHP, you cant exactly look forward to reading the monthly mags you know them off by heart word for word what do you look forward to reading every month photography mags ?

Speaking from experience, the main problem is that you are so busy you simply never have the chance to sit back and appreciate your work. By the time it comes out you are so far into the next issue and you can’t take your foot off the pedal. To put it in perspective, when I was doing TCF we were having to produce eight pages EVERY DAY. That’s photographed, written, designed, proofed, and signed off.