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    • #40461

      TF_JohnH

        Simple question, is it still working for you?
        The venues I fish normally respond very well but this year its been much harder. If there are roach around it just becomes a nightmare as they seem to attack it before the big boys arrive.I can catch on it but not like I used to.
        The venues I have used it BTW this year, Hayfield, Lodge farm, Messingham, our local lake, even Whiteacres was hard on it in early June.

      • #109569

        TF_baitchef
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          Its doing the biz on my local. A mate of mine had 99.5lb in just 3 hours the other night, and this isn’t a particularly over stocked lake either with plenty of other species and the carp are no mugs. We are feeding 8mm pellets though as the fish range from 2-5lb, with the odd munter, but even the skimmers get in on the act, I had 30lb of them yesterday, all on paste for a total of 75lb and for nowhere, although i did get ounced for the silvers pools. Also don’t forget, white acres had a fish kill and fisheries are never quite the same after, even when they re-stock. Stafford moor was an excellent paste water pre-khv and now its nearly all pellet on running line.

        • #109570

          TF_albi
          Participant

            what make and size of hook do you recommend…..cheers albi

          • #109575

            TF_baitchef
            Participant

              I use either a Tubertini 175 in a size 5 or a B911 in size 12, but I am starting to prefer the 175’s.

            • #109582

              TF_JohnH

                Interesting observation on Stafford Moor and KHV possibly affecting the effectiveness of paste as a bait.
                As W/A now allow method feeders, and many anglers use them, the fish just hang around distant margins waiting for method balls to land, especially on Twin Oaks.
                There seems to be less fish on the near shelf where I often use paste. That said I couldnt bag up on it on any lake when last down there.
                Lots of the venues I mentioned in my fist post have not been affected by KHV as far as I know.
                Still a mystery I guess.

              • #109583

                TF_Smed

                  if the roach attack it then make it stiffer, so it stays on longer, and keep striking it off and rebaiting every minute, wont take long for the carp to find it…
                  won my local match on it yesterday but its probebly the first time ive done well on it for the last 2 years! allways take some with me though!
                  also often a change to 8mm or even 11mm pellet will pick out some bonus fish and the roach cant get these in there gobs!

                  t175 brilliant hooks for paste!

                • #109586

                  garyd
                  Participant

                    Baitchef why do you prefer 175s over the 911s?

                  • #109588

                    TF_baitchef
                    Participant

                      One word. Confidence. I’ve only started using them this summer after not really being happy with other patterns. I think they are sharper, they stay sharper for longer and I hit more bites with them, due to the slightly wider gape. Yesterday I had a 5lb’er up the arris and the hook never flinched so strength is also good.

                    • #109596

                      TF_baitchef
                      Participant

                        I dont think KHV has a direct effect on the effectiveness on paste, but obviously if a fishery loses fish then stocking density changes and as a result different baits and methods are required and so on and so forth as per your example re method feeders. The thing is with paste fishing is that’s its a bit all or nothing, that’s why some people avoid using it. You have to be prepared to fish it for the full duration of a match and usually they will settle on 1 line that will get stronger and stronger. On my local they are coming in as close as a 2 plus 2 top kit or the 6m line in the deeper water at the bottom of the near shelf. Because that’s where a lot of bait is going in, that’s where they expect to look for it. It doesn’t always work like that but its a good starting point. Sometimes as well you need to be quite aggressive with the feed and throwing in pellets definitely attracts more fish because of the noise. The thing is when you are unsure is do you or don’t you?

                      • #109598

                        TF_Smed

                          spot on baitchief thats exactly where i got em in my last match (top2 + 1) bottom of the shelf!
                          also garyd tie up a hooklength with a b911 and one with a t175
                          hook the hook under the top of your thumbnail and pull with the other hand and see how much the 911 “gapes or opens up” shocking!
                          now try it with a t175 🙂

                        • #109604

                          TF_swingtipbry

                            nearly all my fishing is done with a b911 but in a 18 nice and light for sucking in they stay sharp and will not bend like bigger hooks do

                          • #109605

                            TF_paulcarpenter

                              well done baitchef i tell you something balls to cat meat im stickin with paste all the way.

                            • #109606

                              Anonymous

                                I,ve used nothing but paste for the last 6 weeks and my results have been very good this summer in matches.

                                Your having problems with roach because you dont have carp feeding in your peg. The reason i am saying this is because roach would not be in your peg if you had carp feeding in your peg!!!

                                You need to look at what your feeding and how your feeding. Hemp, pellets, corn or just the paste from your hook could all be the answer to your problem. A lot depends on the venue you are fishing and how the carp are responding to different feed and how its fed.

                                The way your feeding in particular could be critical. There are a lot of venues i fish where feeding 6ml or even 8ml pellets with a catty or by hand, little and often is the answer to getting a few carp in to the swim and pushing the roach and other silvers away.

                                Big potting of feed and repeating regularly until the carp turn up can be effective but can also create its own problems with putting to many carp in the swim. This can create a real nightmere with line bits and foul hooked carp.

                                Feeding either hemp or corn can be a very good alternative to feeding pellets In both cases is much better to wash these feed baits under running water at home before using as feed. This will reduce the problems of roach.

                                Feeding nothing but the paste on the hook can solve your problems on venues where bigger carp are the target. In this case. A slower breakdown paste seems to be better!

                              • #109637

                                TF_JohnH

                                  Thanks TB, I knowfeeding is critical and my usual approach is with the catty as you describe. I avoid the cupping as it leads to too many foul hookers. You even have to go carefull with the catty on most places I fish!
                                  It seems everyone else is ok on paste, I was wondering if the fish had wised up to it so maybe I just need to get my head down and try harder.

                                • #109642

                                  Anonymous

                                    Im thinking your just drawing bad pegs JohnH. If the carp are not coming in to your peg by feeding pellet, hemp or corn as feed. Then the carp are simply not in your peg, mate. Its one thing for carp to be backing off one of those feed baits but its very unlikely that the carp would be backing off all 3 types of feed. Feeding nothing but the paste on your hook should result in not backing off carp. Its a trick for picking out lumps and carp that will not settle on lots of feed. Putting nothing but the paste on the hook should also result in less silvers in your peg. If its your paste thats the issue. You should still be getting line bites and foul hooked carp. Especially if your fishing at dead depth and feeding with the catty. If your not getting liners after going though the card with different types of feed and feeding with you catty. Attack the peg and work the peg out once the carp do arrive. Liners and foul hooked carp are easier to sort out once there are carp feeding in your peg. You cannot catch what is not in your peg, mate!

                                  • #109656

                                    TF_pr@ngler

                                      It might not just be the pegs John. Practically no fish were caught on pole range on Sunday and Tin Mill has a pretty low stocking density compared to some of the commercials. I wonder if the fish in these venues have just wised up and backed off.

                                    • #109664

                                      TF_JohnH

                                        Peter its not just Hayfield and Tin Mill its everywhere I go!
                                        TB, I had already drawn the same conclusion, start getting foul hookers and go from there, at least you know you are on fish.
                                        I had a session with Giles a few weeks ago and he frowns on cupping anything and I think this may have influenced me to probably err on the cautionary side too much.
                                        Incidentally the piece by Rob Wooten in this months match fishing is one of the best features on paste I have read for a long time.
                                        Talk about thinking outside the box!

                                      • #109718

                                        TF_swingtipbry

                                          everywhere i fish i have no problems with paste but one venue you get a few hours with fry attacking it before the carp decide to feed pushing it around the swim

                                        • #109761

                                          TF_baitchef
                                          Participant

                                            If your not catching on it then sometimes i think you need to open up different lines around your swim. Paste in the margins is a good area and dont be scared of cutting any cover back so you can get as tight as possible. Obviously the 6m line and also longer lines at 10 & 2 o’clock. Features are always worth targeting, but you really want to try and get them to have it on a line that’s as efficient as possible. as long as you keep the feed going in on each line they will usually settle on one of them and then its a case of keeping them coming. All easier said than done though.

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