“I can’t help but feel the wrong brother won, particularly after hearing David’s excellent interview on Radio 4’s PM show earlier this evening.”

That’s what nearly all the delegates in the hall looked as though they were thinking.

“David won the majority of support from MPs. MEPs and party members, but still lost.”

Labour “social justice” in action.

Charlie Whelan’s stooge “won” due to union members’ multiple votes.

Excellent.

LMBO

The least surprising thing is that one of the Kinnock clan is on the payroll, some things never change.
Still, next time the Trots are grumbling about “tax avoidance” being the cause of the “cuts” they can check out Kinnock junior’s little scam in Denmark.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7945386/Kinnocks-son-faces-fresh-tax-allegations.html

Making an utter balls-up of elections seems to be a family trait.

who cares this is a angling forum if i’m not mistaken

Big brother has picked up his ball and gone home in a huff. So much for serving the greater good of the party !

David Miliband has simply moved to the back benches for the greater good of the political party and will stay out of the way of the Tory media who would have take any opportunity to create division for the sake of it. This now gives Ed Miliband the chance to guide the Labour party forward based on his and his advisers ideas for future policies for the political party and potentially the next Government in a few year time. That maybe sooner than some believe. David Miliband will return to the front benches in a year or two and take up a top job in the Government and could still become PM in 10 years or so. Either of the Miliband,s would be good leaders of the Labour party. Either, is likely to be a good PM,s in the future based on who is PM at the moment!

“Either of the Miliband,s would be good leaders of the Labour party.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/sep/23/david-miliband-ed-labour-deal

Yes.

One of them’s already proved he has the integrity for the position.

Why are you putting a link up for an old news paper article that is 100% wrong about David Miliband. A week is a long time in politics, lol. Catch up, Rob!

Thank you.

If he can’t keep his word for six whole days (and you consider that old?) then my assertion of his fitness for leading the trots is correct.

The reason the article was “100% wrong” is either:

a) Millipede Snr changed his mind

OR

b) Millipede Snr lied through his teeth.

Whichever, they’re both fine by me.

And don’t concern yourself with me keeping up to speed, I predicted the nulabuh economic catastrophe years and years ago, remember?

As an aside, I’ve heard that MiliD is so distressed that he’s contemplating throwing himself under the nex Gravy Train (which will probably be full of kinnocks).

Bet Lord Ashcroft is driving the train~shh

I don’t buy the whole things about the media creating division. Milliband senior’s comment during his brother’s speech on the Iraq issue was made openly and in full media glare and he woud have known full well it would be picked up on.
Furthermore, since when has it been a crime as a cabinet minister to have an opinion of your own, so what if the two brothers had not seen eye to eye on each and every issue and policy ?
Milliband senior was backed by a considerable number of his fellow MPs, who obviously saw him as a key part of their opposition strategy from the front benches. To retreat in this manner, whilst it is his prerogative, smacks of sour grapes.

Caster Rob said – The reason the article was “100% wrong” is either:

a) Millipede Snr changed his mind

OR

b) Millipede Snr lied through his teeth.

or c) The answer is in the heading to the article. Miliband brothers’ aides meet in secret to thrash out deal over potential roles ahead of announcement of result.

Its not very secret if the Guardian where in the room, but they still got it wrong. Great paper you read and believe, lol

“Great paper you read and believe, lol”

Because it’s the printed propaganda instrument of the Labour Party one would expect it to be correct on such matters.

Obviously the Guardian weren’t present but dutifully ran the official labour message.

It would have been political suicide for the Labour party if David Miliband had decided that he wanted a top job at this time.

In a similar way, if David Miliband had won the Leadership election. Then, i would have expected Ed Miliband to take a back seat for a while and allow the other to take the party forward as leader.

The Miliband brothers are now big hitters within the Labour party. Because of the closeness of the vote between the two for the leadership. It would always be seen by the media as an easy way to create cracks within the party over very small difference. Even if there where no small cracks. The media would have made it up for an easy story for the likes of Rob. So, one or the other always had to take a back seat on the back benches for a period of time or leave politics altogether after the leadership election.

Nothing shady or wrong in what has taken place. It is in fact what would happen after a close Conservative party leadership election!

More invention for the likes of me?

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/politics/article-23872566-david-miliband-id-serve-under-ed-if-he-was-labour-leader.do

I’m really flattered.

For some reason I always think of the hugely successful song and dance duo “Jedward” whenever I see them, or perhaps Dedward, in their case.

What are Millibands then? Are they a bit like Micro Bands?

WHO?

No I think they must be yet another a new bait company. It has been set up by two people who have never gone fishing or lived in the real world. Their advertising blurb says :-

“This totally unique bait will increase your catches by 300%. Used by all the top anglers in the world Millibands guarantee PB’s and eventually record fish of all species every time you go out. If you are a match angler then you are guaranteed to win every match you enter even though everyone else is on the same bait.

It will be easier to mix and cheaper than any other product on the market. It doesn’t go off from one week to another and mice will not eat. Easy to hook, soft as paste but doesn’t need potting in. In fact you can cast it to the horizon on a pellet waggler. It can be used as a hook bait or ground bait but we are not going to tell you the price until you sign up for 5 years supply”

The real question is: why did Labour p*ss around for over 4 months deciding this, giving the new coalition government a free-run during a potentially extremely challenging period…?

Incompetent to the core.

The Labour Party is in great shape… 35,000 new party members have joined since the may election , personally i voted for David Miliband on the ballot paper provided by my union UCATT. Ed won , so be it.The lastest UGOV poll has Labour on 40% Torys 39% Lib Dems 12%, says it all really ! You have to admire the way David Miliband has conducted himself after the bitter dissapointment of missing out on being the new leader of the Labour party and the next prime minister by just 1% . I am sure he will be back in a couple of years when the ConDems will be rock bottom ~clap ~clap ~clap

well said Dodge,
Glad Ed won, means Labour and UK can go forward,
his brother too associated with the blair past.

Ideologically I am meant to support Ed but I think David is more Electorate friendly. However, I dislike the political leader cloning that has take place since Tony Blair was elected PM and I think Brown irrespective of his policies / decision was out of step with the modern image of a PM. I personally would have liked to have seen Andy Burnham progress / enjoy a much better vote.

I am left of centre but I cannot help thinking a leader relying on the Union vote to become elected is a recipe for disaster down the line.

Andy Burnham was my 2nd preference , he has a fantastic future in the Labour Party, his ideas on the NHSS and British society in general are refreshing and inspiring , top quality ~clap ~clap

Champagne socialists. Elect Billy Bragg leader, at least he walked the talk.

Can’t believe how you lot get sucked in, under the last government the divide between rich and poor grew greater than at any other time. The only people they look after are the rich and the scroungers and the sooner you union lovers realize they do more harm than good the better. Only worked at 1 strong union place and couldn’t believe how the place stayed open as long as it did

this is much better stuff that the usual boring stuff like what pellet waggler rod is best!

lloydy1970 said
“The only people they look after are the rich and the scroungers”.
disagree cos the main people that got rich under the last mob were the public sector workers sitting in their nicely refurbished offices and townhalls spending money and waiting for a fat early retirement – all paid for by the massive corporation taxes paid by the UK banks during the boom years.
Labour blew the lot (as they always do) and the banks aint paying much tax at the moment so the good times are over however much the £100k+ “socialist” union bosses like bob crow scream. I think labours choice of leader is brilliant as a union lackey will keep them out of power for 10 years.

a labour government is like an £2k pole, nice if you can afford it but if yer honest the same job can be done by a pole costing half as much. is just a reason for spending money.

@paulD wrote:

a labour government is like an £2k pole, nice if you can afford it but if yer honest the same job can be done by a pole costing half as much. is just a reason for spending money.

Good analogy! Some people are just addicted to spending money i.e the Labour party!!! ~clap

Some silly ill informed half baked posts IMO

EVERY political party argued that the debt incurred by the financial crisis would have to be repaid. The argument was how quickly.

Debt is not a permanent fixed state. It can be eradicated over time. I daresay everybody has had or has a mortgage (a debt). Some will have bank loans and credit cards too.

Does any Labour supporter on here actually think Miliband cares or is in touch with the working class??

@kid_a wrote:

Does any Labour supporter on here actually think Miliband cares or is in touch with the working class??

No Politician is in touch with the working class or even cares for that matter.

What Mark said

What on earth was Ed Miliband doing at Man Utd,s training ground yesterday ? I am now very worried !!! lol

@Dodge:
“The Labour Party is in great shape… “

http://www.epolitix.com/latestnews/article-detail/newsarticle/prescott-treasurer-bid-fails/

£20 million in debt, glad I’m not in great shape like that.

As a party member I suppose you support Citeh due to the similar financial practice of both of them spending way beyond their income?

Spoke to a union guy this week who’d just returned from conference. This guy is on the National excutive and his union backed Miliband E. He felt that “Ed would appeal to a broader church and heal the wounds within the party.”

Miliband E was at said conference and was glad handing anyone and everyone possible in an attempt to raise his less than charismatic profile.

It’s quite clear that Labour have elected an interim head who will be gassed before a proper attempt at government is made, whenever that is. At that point, Miliband D will emerge to lead the party into “a new era.”

I know I’m old, but haven’t we been here before?

@caster rob wrote:

@Dodge:
“The Labour Party is in great shape… “

http://www.epolitix.com/latestnews/article-detail/newsarticle/prescott-treasurer-bid-fails/

£20 million in debt, glad I’m not in great shape like that.

As a party member I suppose you support Citeh due to the similar financial practice of both of them spending way beyond their income?

Sheikh Monsour isnt short of a couple quid cr …. dont worry yourself too much about that one !

~sick

I’m not worrying myself in the least.

I was highlighting the fiscally inept practise of spending more than your income, ala the last Labour government.