Only 1 way to find out! I normally leave in up to 30mins but sure you could leave longer, get a bucket out and try it!

If the bread has not been mouthed by a fish (you should see an indication/bite). The bread should still be on your hair for several hours without a problem. Its only when you move the rig by reeling in or if a fish mouths the bread that the bait can come off the hair. However, the bread can fall off or more likely sink to the bottom of the lake if it has been mouthed by a fish. There is no other reason why your bread should fall off a hair if secured correctly on the hair and the bread was fresh when it was put on the hair. The key to getting the best out of popped up bread in the winter is confidence that your hook bait is still on the hair. If you start casting to often because your worried that the bread has fallen off. You stand a very good chance of spooking the fish. Cast out and sit on your hands for 15 minutes before thinking about casting somewhere else unless you get a bite. If you get a liner. After 15 minutes. Cast a little closer. If no indications. Cast a little further or to the right or left in an attempt to find a bite. Also, try lengthening the hook length/tail to fish the popped up bread higher in the water. If you fish a match for 5 hours and only use popped up bread. You should walk away from the bank after the match and only casting out 20 times unless you have caught. Have confidence and you should catch if there are fish in your swim!

Wheres the skill in fishing popped up bread ???????????

just making everbody lazy anglers in my view.

this method has ruined clubs in the north west with anglers fishing it religiously in summer on every match even on snake type waters.

so how do you prepare the bread? and how do you put it on your hair rig and what size

This is very near to the method i am using atm.I am having good results using it,and i am very confident that a)the bait is still on the hair..b)the tip will go round,or more than likely drop back.
Unfortunately the last match i was using the method the hook bait got soaked,and i had to use another hook bait on the hair.I never had another bite which proved to me that the bait i was using was the key.I have done some work on the bait,and it wont break down again.
This method is deadly,and not just in the Summer months…IMO.~shh ~shh ~shh ~shh ~shh

Agree with MTB, bread is deadly in the winter and will often produce bites when other baits won’t

@paulcarpenter wrote:

so how do you prepare the bread? and how do you put it on your hair rig and what size

Punch it out, I often use up to 3 discs and use a long hair with a Kwik stop

Lazy Al said – Wheres the skill in fishing popped up bread ???????????

just making everbody lazy anglers in my view.

this method has ruined clubs in the north west with anglers fishing it religiously in summer on every match even on snake type waters.

Lazy Al, popped up bread in winter is just as lazy as any other method. Except, it can produce more fish than many other methods when things are very hard. It wins plenty of matches and can turn a blank day in to a day where you catch a few fish or even bag up. Whats lazy about that?

In the warmer months. Popped up bread can be deadly. There are many ways of using the method of popped up bread in the summer. I was one of the first to take some of our North West venues apart on popped up bread in the summer. I even had an article written about the method in an angling magazine because it was so successful and different to what others where doing. Believe me. There is nothing lazy about popped up bread in the summer but you do have to know what your doing and work very hard with your tackle and bait to get the best out of the method.

MICK THE BOOKIE said – b)the tip will go round,or more than likely drop back.

Mick, sounds like you have the method right if your getting mainly drop backs. We found on Tara, at Cudmore. That by using quite a heavy bomb and then gradually tightening up on the bomb to get a good bend in the rod. We created a critically balanced set up. This would result in a bolt rig effect. Big drop back bites and no missed bites in this way! That was targeting carp between 4lb and 15lb. The other way that i found later that works for me. Is to use a swing tip rod. Instead of those drop backs. I now get lifts and can see every little touch on the hook bait. It also allows you to work the hook bait though the water. Seems to work better when there are smaller fish to target. Bites are impossible to miss on the swing tip but i can see and do much more with the swing tip. Something for you to consider!

I am guessing those that make the method successful do so using an incredible amount of skill. The answer provided by an outstanding exponent of the method (TrueBlue) show you some of the skill required.

Every method can be used with skill or without skill depending on the angler fishing it.

try marshmallow stays on much better.or bread and marshmallow together.works well

Not a method I have tried, so what hooks would you use QM1’s or pr36’s and what line for hooklengths? I guessing 12-24in for length.

@TrueBlue wrote:

MICK THE BOOKIE said – b)the tip will go round,or more than likely drop back.

Mick, sounds like you have the method right if your getting mainly drop backs. We found on Tara, at Cudmore. That by using quite a heavy bomb and then gradually tightening up on the bomb to get a good bend in the rod. We created a critically balanced set up. This would result in a bolt rig effect. Big drop back bites and no missed bites in this way! That was targeting carp between 4lb and 15lb. The other way that i found later that works for me. Is to use a swing tip rod. Instead of those drop backs. I now get lifts and can see every little touch on the hook bait. It also allows you to work the hook bait though the water. Seems to work better when there are smaller fish to target. Bites are impossible to miss on the swing tip but i can see and do much more with the swing tip. Something for you to consider!

~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap Spot on Steve.The drop backs are a high percentage of the bites i am getting atm.Every fish is neatly hooked in the scissors.I will not go into everything i am doing atm,as i am trying to nail the idea to perfection,and get some results in future matches.But i am finding the presentation of the hook bait is the key to more bites.Will keep you in the loop(could that be a clue?)..lol.~shh ~shh ~shh

Bookie – I hope you haven’t been using bread at Willinghurst cos if you have you have been cheating as it has been banned for years.

@Pikey wrote:

Bookie – I hope you haven’t been using bread at Willinghurst cos if you have you have been cheating as it has been banned for years.

Dave….You know jolly well i havent been using Bread at Willy,as i know its banned.Also you came round to me last Sunday and you saw my bait tray,and if i remember i showed you what i was using….I didnt even have a sandwich let alone a loaf…lol.~naughty ~naughty ~naughty ~clap ~clap

Mick – You were the one who said earlier in the thread that you had been using this method !

If it is a “Popped Up Bread” thread would you not expect people to assume you had been using bread.

Also on some waters watch out for your tip trembling or nodding slightly – this is not liners, but hooked (Usually educated) fish trying to work the hook out against the lead without bolting off… For this reason I now use as light a lead as possible to prevent them doing it…~naughty

@Pikey wrote:

Mick – You were the one who said earlier in the thread that you had been using this method !

If it is a “Popped Up Bread” thread would you not expect people to assume you had been using bread.

I agree with that comment Dave.But i am using a bait that simulates and is the colour of Bread…..But is not Bread.As you know its not even that “Mozella Magic Bread” which i think you have tried in the Summer(not on Willy),because i am not sure if that would be counted as Bread.If and a big if Mozella is not actually Bread could it be used,as this would be a perfect hook-bait IMO.
What are your thoughts on Mozella?….Is it Bread?~think ~think ~think ~think

Mick I think Pikey is intimidated by your angling prowess. ~think

Is Mozella Magic Bread actual Bread?….And could it be used when Bread is banned on certain Fisheries?
Anyone got any veiws on this?

My guess it would be classed as bread

jonah, have another read of my posts. The heavy bomb (1 oz is enough) and tightening right up to create a big bend in the rod is the answer to what you where describing. It results in those trembles and nods becoming massive drop back bites and every one is hooked up. The other way as suggested is to use a swing tip. Instead of trembles and nods on the quiver tip. You get real pulls with the swing tip as there is almost no resistance with this form of bite indicator.

Mick, are artificial baits allowed on Willinghurst? Plastic corn as an example.

Mossella Magic bread IS BREAD

Not sure it is bread Pikey. Would you eat it? I think it would be classed as an artificial bait in the same way as artificial corn.

When it came out I watched a couple of videos by the makers – I think Andy May did one and they said it was bread that had been treated.

cheat bookie lol

I told you he was dodgy

Trueblue asked.
Mick, are artificial baits allowed on Willinghurst? Plastic corn as an example.[/quote]
Steve…As far as i know artificial baits are okay at Willy.However Teabag and Pikey could confirm this if they read your question.
However,i would like to confirm that i am infact not using Mozella Bread or any other artificial bait for that matter.I didnt want to tell anyone just yet what i am using except of course my team members and fishing buddies,but i guess it is common knowledge at Willy anyway as i do tend to shout out across the Lake when i have a fish on…lol.
Infact it is nothing more than a expander pellet that is treated in such a way that it does what i want it to.It is the way it is presented that is the significant factor.

Mick – You really do talk rubbish sometimes – forget the popped up white pellets, if you’d fished properly in the edge on Sunday you’d have won the match ! LOL

@Pikey wrote:

Mick – You really do talk rubbish sometimes – forget the popped up white pellets, if you’d fished properly in the edge on Sunday you’d have won the match ! LOL

FRO…. ~clap ~clap ~clap Dave i wasted about an hour down the edge fishing over potted in dead bloody maggots just like you told me.Unless you and Alan H. were telling me porkies.They didnt show.We know they live there normally,but they werent there Sunday,or werent having it…lol.~clap ~clap ~clap

Dead maggotts is so last month ! There is a new deadly edge bait at Willy – obviously can’t tell the opposition what it is ! LOL

@proper tidal boy wrote:

cheat bookie lol

FRO Greenie..lol…..COME ON YOU BEES…Well don.~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap

I see that Chelsea rubbish got beat again mate.I hear on the grapevine that Butch Wilkins has put a curse on them.
How did Arsenal get on?….Oh yes.They got done as well.~sick ~sick ~sick ~sick …As stated on another post last week,the Prem is changing…No game is easy.~think ~think ~think

bit touchey feely bookie did you lose today FRO

o dear boys how come football always gets brought up, anyway going back to pop up bread topic how do you guys prepare the bread.

Paul, sent you a pm

The fresher the bread the better. Thick sliced for punching or a tin loaf and cut the crust and fluffy inside from the bottom and sides of the loaf to the size you want. I cut the tin loaf up in the house and keep the cubes in an air tight container. In summer, i like a 1 inch cube for the hair. In winter, i trim the bread to about 1 cm but leave plenty of the white fluffy bread or i use several bits of punched bread on the hair.

Any rules of thumb on how long to pop bread or even boiles off the deck? What kind of booklets should I be tying and to what line? Never fished pop up before but some good advice in this thread.

Here are a couple of How To articles on Pop up presentations
http://smartcarping.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-to-pop-up-rigs-shot-before-hook_26.html

http://smartcarping.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-to-pop-up-rigs-shot-on-hair.html

Hope these help