Maver end result hair rig tool

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- 28/12/2013 at 7:12 pm #56123
  TF_punchcrumb
  HI apologies If this has been posted before but has anyone used this tool? It seems to have received quite a slating on another angling forum with the majority saying it was a useless piece of junk.
  If the tool allows the easy and consistent tying of hair rigs using hooks from say 14 down then I might be interested as I do struggle to hold the hook securely and achieve a decent end result anyone got any views on the subject?
- 28/12/2013 at 7:45 pm #169430
  TF_TIDALWAVE1
  Punchcrumb,if you feel that it will help you personally,then buy one,as it is you using it and not other people.
  
  my only advice is do not follow the instuctions on the websites demo video as he ties the hook wrongly with the line coming through the back of the eye on the knotless knot which is the wrong way..
- 28/12/2013 at 9:34 pm #169431
  TF_punchcrumb
  @TIDALWAVE1 wrote:
  
  Punchcrumb,if you feel that it will help you personally,then buy one,as it is you using it and not other people.
  
  my only advice is do not follow the instuctions on the websites demo video as he ties the hook wrongly with the line coming through the back of the eye on the knotless knot which is the wrong way..
  
  Sorry tidal but are you referring to the video featuring Andy Kinder as the line appears to be passed through towards the hook point!
- 28/12/2013 at 9:36 pm #169434
  TF_punchcrumb
  @punchcrumb wrote:
  
  @TIDALWAVE1 wrote:
  
  Punchcrumb,if you feel that it will help you personally,then buy one,as it is you using it and not other people.
  
  my only advice is do not follow the instuctions on the websites demo video as he ties the hook wrongly with the line coming through the back of the eye on the knotless knot which is the wrong way..
  
  Sorry tidal but are you referring to the video featuring Andy Kinder or some other, I have looked at the video and as far as I can see the line Is threaded through the eye back towards the point and that’s the way I normally tie it and other videos on you tube do the same.
  This method produces the angle required for improved hooking potencial as far as I know.
- 28/12/2013 at 11:17 pm #169433
  TF_Tim_D
  I’ve just viewed the maver UK video on YouTube and that is a very handy tool. Tied neatly and perfectly
- 29/12/2013 at 9:51 am #169424
  TF_TIDALWAVE1
  @punchcrumb wrote:
  
  @punchcrumb wrote:
  
  @TIDALWAVE1 wrote:
  
  Punchcrumb,if you feel that it will help you personally,then buy one,as it is you using it and not other people.
  
  my only advice is do not follow the instuctions on the websites demo video as he ties the hook wrongly with the line coming through the back of the eye on the knotless knot which is the wrong way..
  
  Sorry tidal but are you referring to the video featuring Andy Kinder or some other, I have looked at the video and as far as I can see the line Is threaded through the eye back towards the point and that’s the way I normally tie it and other videos on you tube do the same.
  This method produces the angle required for improved hooking potencial as far as I know.
  
  Punchcrumb,there are several demo videos of the hair rig tool by maver,some on youtube and one on the maver website itself.the video on the maver website itself is the one i was referring to.
- 29/12/2013 at 10:34 am #169426
  TF_cormorant
  punchcrumb,
  
  buy one! for less than a fiver you will find after a couple ot attempts that they are perfect. i have now tied over 200 rigs with it and have no problems at all.
  cheers
  cormorant 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
- 29/12/2013 at 11:05 am #169427
  TF_ally
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  200 !!!!! Are you going to live that long? Hope you do Happy new year.
- 29/12/2013 at 6:24 pm #169428
  TF_punchcrumb
  Sorry Tidal the guy on the maver uk site ties the hair rig incorrectly as you said 😀
- 29/12/2013 at 6:46 pm #169429
  TF_TIDALWAVE1
  @punchcrumb wrote:
  
  Sorry Tidal the guy on the maver uk site ties the hair rig incorrectly as you said 😀
  
  no apology necessary mate,although the other video is correct,the wrong hook pattern is used as the straight eye creates too much of an inward angle when tied,especially more so with large,stiffer diameter monos,so the hooking gape is closed up and therefore results in both poor hooking,and bait presentation.
- 30/12/2013 at 7:57 pm #169422
  TF_punchcrumb
  @TIDALWAVE1 wrote:
  
  @punchcrumb wrote:
  
  Sorry Tidal the guy on the maver uk site ties the hair rig incorrectly as you said 😀
  
  no apology necessary mate,although the other video is correct,the wrong hook pattern is used as the straight eye creates too much of an inward angle when tied,especially more so with large,stiffer diameter monos,so the hooking gape is closed up and therefore results in both poor hooking,and bait presentation.
  
  Thanks for the info Tidal I never really gave much thought to the angle of the eye on my hooks but having googled It you have given me food for thought and outturned eyes appear to be the way forward for hair rigging.
  However as Is usual different people have varying opinions, carp anglers seem to favour the inturned eye but It Is as you say certainly not a good idea to use the straight eyed pattern for the hair rig.
- 30/12/2013 at 8:15 pm #169423
  TF_Matchcarp
  I bought one primarily for tying up size 20 hooks for banding 4&6 mm pellets. But sorry to report it’s easier to tie by hand. The tool is too clumsy and you can’t anchor the band close enough to the hook. So in my opinion fine for hooks above an 18 but not much use for smaller hooks and finer work.
- 30/12/2013 at 8:40 pm #154065
  TF_punchcrumb
  @Matchcarp wrote:
  
  I bought one primarily for tying up size 20 hooks for banding 4&6 mm pellets. But sorry to report it’s easier to tie by hand. The tool is too clumsy and you can’t anchor the band close enough to the hook. So in my opinion fine for hooks above an 18 but not much use for smaller hooks and finer work.
  
  Sounds about right to me Matchcarp, I find it difficult to tie the smaller sized hooks with the knotless knot with my lack of dexterity especialy with the short shank hooks that are popular.
  I am going to try the drennan carp riggers as they have a longer shank than the drennan power riggers, hopefully I will have more success with this pattern and be able to get plenty of turns down the shank which I find almost impossible with a short shank hook.
  My hook of choice was always the korum s3 sadly no longer available and also does not have the out turned eye for hair rigging although they only went down to an 18 and the sizing was on the large size an 18 was more like a 16.
- 01/01/2014 at 5:46 pm #170090
  Anonymous
  I looked on the Maver Match and it shows the line pushed in from top of an out turned eyed hook then turned a few times.
  I use one and have made a hair 2 or 3 mm long with ease
- 01/01/2014 at 6:21 pm #170092
  TF_TIDALWAVE1
  @peterm wrote:
  
  I looked on the Maver Match and it shows the line pushed in from top of an out turned eyed hook then turned a few times which is the right way to tie hair rig. bit then put in wrong way.
  I use one and have made a hair 2 or 3 mm long with ease
  
  The video on the maver site shows the incorrect way to tie the knotless knot,the demo video on youtube by maver show the correct way,but use the wrong type hook pattern with a straight eye.
- 01/01/2014 at 10:32 pm #169341
  TF_Tim_D
  @TIDALWAVE1 wrote:
  
  @punchcrumb wrote:
  
  Sorry Tidal the guy on the maver uk site ties the hair rig incorrectly as you said 😀
  
  no apology necessary mate,although the other video is correct,the wrong hook pattern is used as the straight eye creates too much of an inward angle when tied,especially more so with large,stiffer diameter monos,so the hooking gape is closed up and therefore results in both poor hooking,and bait presentation.
  
  Correct me if I’m wrong but surely the more a hook is turned inwards then the better hook hold. Hence the use of circle hooks……? 🙂
- 02/01/2014 at 4:36 am #168867
  TF_TIDALWAVE1
  @Tim_D wrote:
  
  @TIDALWAVE1 wrote:
  
  @punchcrumb wrote:
  
  Sorry Tidal the guy on the maver uk site ties the hair rig incorrectly as you said 😀
  
  no apology necessary mate,although the other video is correct,the wrong hook pattern is used as the straight eye creates too much of an inward angle when tied,especially more so with large,stiffer diameter monos,so the hooking gape is closed up and therefore results in both poor hooking,and bait presentation.
  
  Correct me if I’m wrong but surely the more a hook is turned inwards then the better hook hold. Hence the use of circle hooks……? 🙂
  
  Tim,if the gap between the hookpoint and the hooklength are too close,you are minimising the hooking potential and risking foul hooking,and hook pulls as well as poor bait presentation,by turning the hookpoint too far inwards.also using a straight eye puts pressure on the knot and line when stretched and weakens it.try tying a hook with a straight eye with say 0.17-0.19mm line and see how unatural it looks.
- 02/01/2014 at 9:06 am #168870
  TF_Tim_D
  I’m gonna try that.
  
  I use B911 size 20 but to .12 and they’re fine.
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