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[goldenballsParticipant]

hi lads we put 2 teams into angling times super cup b team drawn at home so they pick messingham sands scunthorpe we are chesterfield we drawed against carvale and matlock .matlock with draw from cup complaining it was too far to travel so carvale and our team carried on the match and the outcome was we got through .but today our clubs had a letter saying matlock our team and carvale are all through to next round how bads that so all teams in this compitition can do the same .put it this way we wont be entering any more teams in super cup again it stinks .what you guys think ~think

[Anonymous]

Be very interesting to know what they will do if they get though to the final on a venue that could be several hundred miles from there home base. Teams from all over the country fish in this competition and have to travel to compete. Once they get past the early local rounds they will have to travel if they want to stay in the competition. Will they complain and refuse to fish in the final because of the traveling involved? I dont think so. So, im sure an argument along those lines would have that team withdrawn from the competition.

[TF_Oggy]

Sounds a bit rum to me considering that the Scottish lads travelled about 500 miles round trip a few times to practice and fish their match. I have heard of it a couple of years ago round this area and the team that withdrew didnt get a second chance (but it was a second round if that makes a difference).

[goldenballsParticipant]

the annoying thing is matlocks made semis last 5 years they had a good team .so its wrong if they wont travel to messingham .what they going to do if they reach the final as trueblue says still well wrong hope some one from angling times see this .thanks for replys lads

[TF_Leaky Lloyd]

MY OPINION IS IT SHOULD BE INSTANT DISQUALIFICATION,,,,,!
WHY ENETER THE COMPETITION IF YOUR NOT PREPAIRED TO PUT IN THE EFFORT!!!!~naughty ~naughty

[TF_DAT]

Why go for a water 2 counties away?.Surely the idea of local teams fishing against each other is to keep costs down and fish venues where you are spending more time fishing than driving.

[TF_matt rosevear]

DAT has a point to some degree but matlock should not be put through imo

[TF_sam the man]

matlock should be out . If A/T need a team to make the numbers up it should be a team that fished. This is another if WE dont get our way well take our ball back .A/Times is wrong, They never think about the anglers that fished

[con2302Participant]

When the draw is made, the home team gets the advantage by choosing the water they want to fish. I think if both of the other teams objected to the distance, then something could have been done at that stage. However, if a team pulls out and the match goes ahead without them, then the result should stand. I would have a word with Richard at the AT and point this out. ~think

[THE ORICAL]

Had an issue with a fully sponsored angler fishing a round , even when we informed them of this prior to the match and told them the angler featured ,and was pictured in the trade and consumer books, and held the venue record they were not interested. We were told to just go out and beat them. Incidentally he won the match out right and we lost by 1 point!Get some b*****ks AT and run it properly or don’t run it at all!

[mayo]

we got knocked out in the 1st round and had to travel 160 round trip to the venue but the other two teams were local ( 10 miles ) and we only managed one practice session, we didnt complain because that was the luck of the draw, if we had home advantage they would of had to have travelled down our way ~think ~think ~think

[tunnel topper]

why not register your ‘home’ water at registration? then any objection can be made before the competition starts.
alterations there after only to be made should the fishery become unfishable. eg. polution, flooding.
simples tch.

[goldenballsParticipant]

thanks for youre comments lads .al the best pete

[Rustler]

You’ll no change out of the AT, they think they run the sport…

[TF_jono]

i have to disagree with you on this subject pete.

i dont blame the matlock lads one bit for refusing to go to messingham sands. not exactly local to derbyshire is it?

the first 2 matches are supposed to be local anyway , surely there are enough notts/derbys/south yorks venues to choose from?

but maybe the angling times should have chose a suitable venue to fish , not give everyone byes!!

[TF_sam the man]

the angling times is getting to be a joke they start a good thing then screw it up

[Cream of notts uniParticipant]

i suppose the question is, why is a team from the scunthorpe area, fishing in the chesterfield area draw, its all done by postcodes isnt it?the first couple of rounds are meant to be local to keep travelling costs down , there are plenty of teams in the scunthorpe area, some one , and im not saying its AT, has made an administrative muck up here!have they registered in the wrong area perhaps without realising?

[TF_neil g]

The point here people are really missing is a HOME DRAW means you get to pick where you think you have a advantage surely.
They thought there advantage is Messingham .
I have one club that fishes there winter league here and travel fortnightly through the winter from Leeds 60 miles away.
Surely if they entered and was lucky enough to get a HOME DRAW they would be entitled to pick where they had been practising all winter .

On the other side i dont believe the other team should have been put through for not turning out.

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[TF_Oggy]

@Cream of notts uni wrote:

i suppose the question is, why is a team from the scunthorpe area, fishing in the chesterfield area draw, its all done by postcodes isnt it?the first couple of rounds are meant to be local to keep travelling costs down , there are plenty of teams in the scunthorpe area, some one , and im not saying its AT, has made an administrative muck up here!have they registered in the wrong area perhaps without realising?

I dont believe this is the case as in 6 years of having 2 teams we have never drawn against our B team. I think it is roughly locally based but AT may also look at who has drawn who in previous years as it would get boring if you drew the same ‘local’ team every year.

Look at the first round tie between Border Match AC – Magiscroft AC – Carlisle DAC that was fished at Copthorne just north of Preston. Its a bloody long way I’d guess for all 3 teams but they accepted it and fished the match in the spirit in which it was intended.

If we get a home draw in round 2 and many of my lads have been fishing Heronbrook/Cuddy etc I would have no qualms in selecting them as it is my choice of a venue that gives our team the best chance of progressing.

Similarly in round 1 when at home I ALWAYS choose the Lanky as its a stinker of a venue if you dont know it and it scares opposing teams to death (para phrased from a comment by Paul Coyle on us taking his old team to the Lanky this year).

We have twice had teams not turn up on the day as they couldnt get enough anglers to fish a canal. Not my problem but theirs. Should they be allowed in the round 2 draw????? ~think ~think ~think ~think

[TF_big-unParticipant]

if everyone reads the first post the home team are based in chesterfield (and not in scunthorpe) they picked messingham, so they had to travel just as far as matlock. in my opinion the result from the first match should stand.~naughty ~hand

[TF_big-unParticipant]

if everyone reads the first post.the team with the home draw are based in chesterfield not scunthorpe.so they had to travel just as far as matlock.
in my opinion the result from the match should stand.~hand ~naughty

[TF_hempseed]

Its simple rule, home team choose the venue for the tie, if for what ever reason the away team(s) decide not to fish it then they are out of competition, Simple isn’t it??. Angling Times make trouble by not sticking to rules and having a bit of bottle. Useless ~naughty

[TF_MARKHLDAS]

The original ethos of this comp to bring like minded club anglers together for the FA Cup of clubs and a bit of banter was a great idea that lasted “just about” for one year.

It should be renamed the Skulduggery Cup where the prime objective of all competing clubs is to Shaft the opposition.

I voted with my waders a long time ago and out of principle will not make myself available.

I’m afraid if you enter then don’t expect any support from the organisers and more fool you for even challenging.

Vote with your Wellies next season and don’t enter.

comment?

[TF_jono]

the clubs involved here were chesterfield / matlock / carr vale , all derbyshire based etc

so why is a lake in scunthorpe picked for the match??

i know home team gets the pick of venue but , come on , scunthorpe is taking the pi**!

[TF_wayne2009]

so is anything actually going to be done about this team who have gone through unfairly, its not really fair on the teams who work hard to get through to the next round.

GET THEM OUT OF THE COMP

[TF_DAT]

When my club(stanhope a.s.)fished this comp 3 of us could get to our home water without a car,and when the rules changed about having 8 anglers per side we moved to monk lakes,about 15 miles from where we live.
When drawn away from home we have gone to Dartford(about 35 mins)and claygate about 40 mins but both still in kent.
Sorry to say but if you are going 2 counties you are stroke pulling and if i were to throw some one out of the comp i know who it would be.
Think that all teams should nominate their “home venue” and if its 2 counties away then they should be put into draw where they want to fish!
Why have the first 2 rounds local and then drive on 3 motorways to get there,driving past a lot of good fisherys on the way.

[TF_Oggy]

I cant agree with all this naming your home venue stuff. I select venues to suit us AND to not suit the opposition. If we draw against a canal team we fish a commy. If we draw and commy team we fish a canal. Also, the likely venues I would choose for first and second rounds would be different as waters local to us do change a lot over the 2-3 months concerned.

[TF_Irk the purists]

Just to give Oggy some support, I was at Copthorne the day that the Carlisle, Borders, Magicroft match took place….

These teams travelled approx 720 miles between them to fish the round and they were as enthusiastic as any teams I’ve seen fishing any team comp….

A credit to angling….

Matlock to Messingham 120 mile round trip at the worst….. They must be just playing at it!!~naughty ~naughty

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