Do we know who it is yet?

[TF_JohnH]

After Alex’s editorial in the December’s Match Fishing he advised one pole manufacturer had cancelled all its advertising with DHP in a spat over his review on the new MAP pole.
As far as I can see you can rule out Daiwa, Martix and Drennan leaving Tri cast, Preston, Maver or Sensas as the one in question.
Have I missed anyone?
Advertising this time of year I would have thought would be cut back so maybe not the best time to start looking at who it might be.

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

I honestly don’t know, however, it’s possible some of those have pre-paid for a run of ads and that you won’t know until a few months down the line.

[TF_cormorant]

question : :: does it really matter? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Anonymous]

Avanti , dragon carp 🙂

[TF_Cutnut]

As Cormorant says do we care? Should we care? Nah….

[TF_paulnewell]

Every time I review my pole I have to convince myself their is not a lump of lead stuck up the top kit 😀 😀 😀

[TF_Terrence22]

Surely it’s their loss not ours if they choose to spit their dummy out nd not advertise. Will it bother me. Nope!

[TF_Martin25664]

I expect, after all of the publicity, that the company in question came to a compromise with the mag and is continuing with the advertising.

[TF_JohnH]

I hope you are correct. I think it is important to discuss this as we have had loads of posts on here moaning about poor quality reviews. Here we have an example of an editor standing up for its readers and thus taking the risk of losing advertising revenue for passing an opinion.
The manufacturer involved must think their product is better than Alex does so they should try to prove him wrong not take their ball home..

[TF_paulnewell]

Years back the top match teams were sponsored by tackle manufacturers . North west had Tri cast There is Diawa Dorking DIawa Gordon league Milo bourdon. Back on the scene is Drennan. . Many years ago I was with Shakespeare super team. To give anything other than the best vibes for your sponsors product was suicidal. Best advise for the purchase of a new pole is to not be rushing to buy brand new models . Wait for 12 months and do homework and if it’s a breaker in that time you will find out . Getting hold of spares is also critically important . Personally I think the conflict of interest these editions have is to great to really give an impartial view! 😉 😉 😉

[TF_Tim_D]

Well said bert

[TF_paulnewell]

John h your thoughts are actually right on the money . A company handing over a product to be tested tried out reviewed etc etc must be prepared for comments not always favourable . You would suspect the firm to hand over a prototype for testing go back and sort the bad bit and come back with the dogs. Alternatively put the product in a price bracket that truly reflects the quality of that product . I remember buying a pole for 1500 quid and some time later thinking it really belongs in the 900 quid bracket . Poles are a very subjective piece of kit. . :rolleyes:

[TF_JohnH]

This is my point exactly. I know one feature on the MAP Alex liked was the top kits could be elasticated without having to throw away the no1 section. As a Daiwa user I have to take the number ones out to elasticate. To fish at 16m I have to use the half butt as well as the 16m section. I notice now the new Drennan pole is advertising the fact it too can be elasticated at the full 16m.
Not sure if the Air can be but I bet the next Daiwa match top kits will be the same.

[TF_paulnewell]

Someone told me Diawa are aware that the shortfall is being considered by customers . My thoughts are it ain’t as simple as producing longer top kits but and I am guessing a different mandrel would be required . Big decision considering the success and popularity of the tornament airily and air all off the same mandrel !! IMO long term they need to keep up with the opposition . When you part with the sums of money top end poles cost you really require 16 full metres .

[TF_joffmiester]

The money sensas put into the magazines would pretty much rule them out with also bring a new range out later this year . at least its not cost as much as WBA SPONSORSHIP 😉

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

There are many top end poles that fall short of the stated 16mt mark printed on the butt section.only recently has a couple of companies produced a true 16mt pole that requires no cutting back

[TF_paulD]

Theyre all trying to copy Browning. My z12 is exactly 16m (measured it) without a dolly and came with ready bushed kits all 8′ long so no silly long kits to make the pole longer. I don’t think even the 901 is actually 16m.
The z12 is noticably longer than Tourneys and the like and Ive actually been challenged on a 16m limit match for fishing over length as I was the only one that could reach an island(dollys banned).
Rumour has it that Browning has z14 coming out soon – that will be interesting 😀
.

[TF_CraigH]

@paulD wrote:

Theyre all trying to copy Browning. My z12 is exactly 16m (measured it) without a dolly and came with ready bushed kits all 8′ long so no silly long kits to make the pole longer. I don’t think even the 901 is actually 16m.
The z12 is noticably longer than Tourneys and the like and Ive actually been challenged on a 16m limit match for fishing over length as I was the only one that could reach an island(dollys banned).
Rumour has it that Browning has z14 coming out soon – that will be interesting 😀
.

But before the Z12, the drennan zircon was 16m and pre-bushed, with all top kits and cupping kit of the same length

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

The Drennan Logic started the trend on pre bushed topkits and dollybutts.

[TF_JohnH]

Dolly’s banned?? That’s a new one on me. I can see why the Daiwa boys might be upset because they are only fishing 15.5m unless they use light elastic up the number one section.
Inclusive bushing is another innovation, the last Daiwa I bought new came with a £200 supplement for bushes/elastic etc.
Clearly the more manufacturers throw in the pressure mounts on others to follow suit.
Older members like me will remember when you had to pay for a heater and a radio in a new car!
Datsun (Nissan) changed the game back in the 70’s, similar changes are inevitable in top end pole evolution..

[TF_joffmiester]

Blow fishing 16 metres anyway just gives you back ache give me a 13 metre limit any day then companies wouldn’t fallout!! the customer would have a wider choice of poles at better prices and the trade might start selling waggler rods and reels again 😉 😉 plus a little more watercraft could be used 😉 😉 just a point

[TF_wightangler]

@joffmiester wrote:

Blow fishing 16 metres anyway just gives you back ache give me a 13 metre limit any day then companies wouldn’t fallout!! the customer would have a wider choice of poles at better prices and the trade might start selling waggler rods and reels again 😉 😉 plus a little more watercraft could be used 😉 😉 just a point

tend to wishfully agree now i’m older – don’t fish 16m unless i’m ‘abroad’ and sadly dont do that so much – think 16m is more tolerable and deffo a bit easier if you fish snakes or 16m regularly ie most weekends.

I do sometimes wonder as the average match angler gets older whether we will see an eventual decline in a decade or less – primarily because of age/strength/ and backs – unless we get enough younger anglers coming thru to replace those who will soon physically be unable to fish 16m for 5/6 hrs. Still thats for the future – expecting 16m in 2 weeks time again though at least its a great venue where you don’t have to break down 3 times before you can start-
my tip’s starts drooping at even 14.5m nowadays 🙂 😮

[TF_Prawnking]

Going back to the original question it is possible that the company concerned may have a “Gerald Ratner” moment such is the reaction to Alex’s post and this could really backfire on them!

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

WA I proofed some match results Tuesday and it struck me that the names were the same ones I was proofing in the mid 1990s!!! Fact.

[TF_paulD]

@JohnH wrote:

Dolly’s banned?? That’s a new one on me. I can see why the Daiwa boys might be upset because they are only fishing 15.5m unless they use light elastic up the number one section.
Inclusive bushing is another innovation, the last Daiwa I bought new came with a £200 supplement for bushes/elastic etc. ..

They banned dollys as most poles are over 16 with them on even when cut back. “Your dolly is longer than mine” arguments started – the usual crap you get when rules like this are made. My Z12 is 16.8m with the protector section so that would really get them moaning. :p

Went to Lindholme once and they had 2 posts put in the ground 16m apart, if your pole was longer you couldn’t use it. I had a Sensas 774 at the time and it was 2′ short. 😡

[TF_JohnH]

No wonder most match turnouts are dropping!!
No dolly butts but ok to jump in and landscape the bottom with a spade???
I bet some use their own platforms to extend the reach by fishing beyond the edge of the fisheries own platform in pursuit of a few extra inches, oh dear oh dear.
Where are we all going with these rules??

[TF_steve ford]

I stick to 13m.cant see past that.:-)

[TF_joffmiester]

@steve ford wrote:

I stick to 13m.cant see past that.:-)

LOVE IT KIDDO 😀 😀 😀

[TF_gazer]

interesting thought i think rules used to be you could wade out as long as you could reach the bank with your rod 16m rod fish 32 meters out with your pole 🙂

[TF_paulnewell]

I fished 5 riverfest matches that req little pole work but the tired legs reminded me of years gone by . Packed up early on a rising Burton on Trent Had a couple of pints of draught bass. Watched Aston. Villa on the big screen . Picked up Paul Bick who qualified for the Final on the Wye .!!!!! Great day :rolleyes: :p :rolleyes: :p

[TF_paulnewell]

I fished 5 riverfest matches that req little pole work but the tired legs reminded me of years gone by . Packed up early on a rising Burton on Trent Had a couple of pints of draught bass. Watched Aston. Villa on the big screen . Picked up Paul Bick who qualified for the Final on the Wye .!!!!! Great day :rolleyes: :p :rolleyes: :p. Different. Aches more fun !!!! Could have been 16m all day with back and shoulder problems ,,,, 😮

[TF_joffmiester]

@paulnewell wrote:

I fished 5 riverfest matches that req little pole work but the tired legs reminded me of years gone by . Packed up early on a rising Burton on Trent Had a couple of pints of draught bass. Watched Aston. Villa on the big screen . Picked up Paul Bick who qualified for the Final on the Wye .!!!!! Great day :rolleyes: :p :rolleyes: :p

Hi Paul like you i think the rivers are coming right back stick and wagglers are catching loads of fish on the river soar .with todays anglers most haven’t seen or used them before the future looks bright if organisers can get better access we could see regular big matches returning like the river fest .have we heard any dates yet 😉 😉

[TF_paulnewell]

Very soon I hear. Start saving now !! 😉

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