Drip,Drip, Drip…it is only a matter of time…

[TF_Swimfeeder]

Here we go again, http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animal-emotions/201004/fish-do-feel-pain-yes-they-do-science-tells-us

Ask yourself, if push really comes to shove, and this gathers momentum, how will we as anglers, counter these claims???????

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

By citing research from equally qualified scientists that shows that fish can’t possibly feel pain in the way that humans understand it.

Period.

[TF_Waveney One]

Thought that you were talking about one of your rooves for a minute there Bob.

Before you were called in to repair it of course!

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

Why should we counter any claims ? Someone says fishings cruel 3 million anglers are not bothered they enjoy doing it! Boxings cruel any full contact sport is dangerous we all do what we do because we enjoy doing It. There is a choice in this world and If you dont like something then simple dont do it ! We live in a nanny state thats full of bloody do gooders many of these people are the same individuals who have ruined our economy and country by wanting to harmonise everything and everybody well It doesnt work people enjoy blood sports thankfully a large number of us drive the fishing industry which inturn fuels the economy better than a authors book thats full of his own misfortunes that never really happened !

[TF_Cutnut]

Bob you seem to have more fun fishing on these threads than actually going lately. Have you become a secret PETA member?~think

[TF_Swimfeeder]

Cutnut, I rarely match fish now mate, instead me and Daniel bivvie up and go for the specimens mate.

Waveney One, I no longer earn my living from roofing, so I am sorry your little joke has been wasted…..good effort though!

Geepster, who will fund the research ?

[TF_herbie]

bob we will counter these claims in the usual way~think the representatives of 5% of anglers will go to war whilst the other 95% with zero representation will whinge and go watch telly.~sick big brother i think or eastenders bottom line they will do nothing.~shh ~shh ~shh

[TF_kev825]

Bob, Anthony – with you both all the way…..

[TF_Serious Sam]

I thought it was proven recently that fish simply don’t have the part of the brain that converts nerve sensations into ‘pain’ as we know it.

They do feel something, there are nerves there but they’re simply not bright enough to conceive it as pain so when hooked they know there’s something not right and try to escape from it but it doesn’t hurt as they’re not capable of the concept.

This being the case her whole book is bolox ~sick

[TF_Swimfeeder]

The point of this thread is really just this;

Angling and anglers have had representation for well over a century, representation that is recognised by government, we have had all sorts of “governing bodies”, specimen groups, self appointed organisations, etc,etc, the list is almost endless, they come and some go.

Is it unreasonable to think that in all that time, angling would have had things sorted.

Why is it that Angling/Anglers do not have a definitive and comprehensive study proving beyond all doubt, THAT FISH DO NOT FEEL PAIN?

Surely this is the single,most important issue facing anglers/angling?

Imagine being able to shoot down in flames once and for all, all those that want to see angling banned because they believe it is cruel and fish do feel pain.

Would you help pay for such a study?

Or do you think the result of a proper independent survey could prove otherwise?

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

I dont think such a study would be conclusive in our favour Swimfeeder,if they dont like what we do tuff titty simple as no point trying justify anything to them lot they already have their minds made up, the difference between anglers and anti anglers is anglers dont give a toss what anti anglers think they just worry our sport will be banned but have no fear that will never happen.

[TF_caster robParticipant]

Swimfeeder wrote:

“Why is it that Angling/Anglers do not have a definitive and comprehensive study proving beyond all doubt, THAT FISH DO NOT FEEL PAIN?

Surely this is the single,most important issue facing anglers/angling?”

I’d have thought water quality and health of the fish were possibly more important than this.

@ herbie:

As one of the 95% without representation I won’t be whinging and I most certainly won’t be watching telly. I’m reading some works of the expert on medieaval Persian philosophy, Mehdi Aminrazavi, at the moment, very interesting and quite educational, but a crime against angling I’m sure.

Anyways, I’ve got an ever so uneasy feeling that the Angling Trust virtues may be about to get an airing.

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

Your right the virtues of the Angling trust will be about to get an airing but they dont`t stand a cat in hells chance in taking Angling down put the ethics of Angling to one side and look at the economy we are about to lose 1 million public sector jobs and the private sector is nowhere near strong enough to absorb that little lot the country supports massive debts I cant see them finishing Angling on Economic grounds alone so sorry to the anti`s but you have Two hopes and one of thems Bob hope !

[TF_Swimfeeder]

Not this time Caster Rob, I am trying to point out quite the reverse in fact.

Why has there never been a study undertaken and funded by angling?

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

No need, already done….

“The facts about the neurological processes that generate pain make it highly unlikely that fish experience the emotional distress and suffering of pain. Thus, the struggles of a fish don’t signify suffering when the fish is seized in the talons of an osprey, when it is devoured while still alive by a Kodiak bear, or when it is caught by an angler.”

Dr. James D. Rose, University of Wyoming

[TF_orexina]

The research carried out by the Prof in the article is not measuring pain as such. She is measuring a response to the substance injected into the mouths of the fish. These experiments are not the same as hooking a fish. I’m surprised that they looked at this as it was a Psycology journal. One of the main responses to pain and stress is not feeding. This is the basis for many anti-anxiety drug animal models. If the fish were that stressed they would not eat after being caught and kept in the keepnet. This does not happen as you can get the carp to feed in your net if you try. Throw in some pellets and see. Also I’ve hooked chub and been broken, crap line, and then re-hooked the chub later in the session. Thus it wasn’t put off eating, even with the other hook still there. This is not a short memory thing which they say fish have.
Years ago the Open University had an experiment which people carried out at home teaching gold fish to recognise colours. The reward was food. Your gold fish at home knows when you are going to feed it as well by coming to the front of the tank glass. Fish don’t have short memories. Also commercial fish are caught nearly every day on some venues. If they were so stressed they would all be dead from the stress or not eating. Nothing I’ve seen suggests that this happens.

[TF_caster robParticipant]

“Also commercial fish are caught nearly every day on some venues. If they were so stressed they would all be dead from the stress or not eating.”

OR

They’re so over-crowded and stupified they’re scared of starving.

In the wild fear overcomes an animal’s sense of hunger due to it’s self-preservation instinct.

These sad-creatures held captive in commercial hell-holes are denied the capacity to develop this natural phenomena due to artificial environments and selective breeding.

“Look at me – I’ve done the ton”

No shit.

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