JOHN TERRY AND ENGLAND……O/T

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

~think ~think ~think Having John as a neighbour has slightly biased my veiws on his behavior just lately.
When all his troubles surfaced for the first time,and the bad press about his Mum and Dad hit the headlines,i can honestly say i felt a twinge of sadness for the man.He was stripped of the Captaincy for his Country(rightly imo),and it seemed his “World” was crumbling around him.This latest episode in South Africa has just about nailed the man to the Union Jack mast,and we are now seeing perhaps the demise of his career in English football.
I would like to hear your veiws on John,especially the opinions of the many Chelsea fans out there,who without doubt must be truly vexed about John Terrys future……MTB.

[TF_MarkT]

Demise of his England carear??

I honestly don’t think John Terrys done anything wrong in the world cup barring one dodgey backpass against Algeria, it’s the nonexistent midfield and attack that need looking at.

[TF_bigoldbigbuttParticipant]

need to question why Jt was giving the press interview yesterday, because surely it`s stevie G`s job as capitain ?
or has he dont it off his own back ?

[TF_MARKHLDAS]

What’s he done wrong exactly ~think

An interview with an FA delegate sitting alongside. He held back and was careful with his words. At least he fronted the questions the best he could in the circumstances.

Why do you think he was put up for the first proper interview post Friday’s game.

Cos he’s the fool guy now !

Where was the bloke who beats people up in bars with 5 of his mates, NOWHERE they sent out the bloke who shags about.

Where was Frank captain of Vice, oh yes wheeled him out today to make excuse’s for JT.

Nothing for JT to apologise about

WHERES THE BLOODY ENGLAND CAPTAIN!!!!! HIDING OUT IN LEFT FIELD SOMEWHERE.

[Wangla]

All this talk of discord in the dressing room has me baffled, players should play for the manager and how he wants them to play IMO,after all the buck stops with him.Must admit to questioning some of his selections,but Hey he,s the manager,not me.

[TF_MarkT]

@MARKHLDAS wrote:

What’s he done wrong exactly ~think

An interview with an FA delegate sitting alongside. He held back and was careful with his words. At least he fronted the questions the best he could in the circumstances.

Why do you think he was put up for the first proper interview post Friday’s game.

Cos he’s the fool guy now !

Where was the bloke who beats people up in bars with 5 of his mates, NOWHERE they sent out the bloke who shags about.

Where was Frank captain of Vice, oh yes wheeled him out today to make excuse’s for JT.

Nothing for JT to apologise about

WHERES THE BLOODY ENGLAND CAPTAIN!!!!! HIDING OUT IN LEFT FIELD SOMEWHERE.

~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_proper tidal boy]

surely captain gerard did enough by scoring a goal let alone talk to the press or media as we all know his got enough on his plate at the mo which will all come outin the near future as for the rest of the team should all now do there talking with there feet and nothing else bring on weds FFS

[TF_bremesParticipant]

Dont think it really matters anyway,a German ref has been appointed for the England-Slovenia game,i wonder who the Germans would prefer to face??,just a thought~hand .

[Daddy BParticipant]

I am no fan of JT as a person, but I thought he fronted up well yesterday and showed a refreshing bit of honesty in his answers to some difficult questions.

No surprise to see that Gerrard is shying away from the media at present, given the stories / rumours about his private life which I would imagine will hit the front pages once England are knocked out.

[TF_herbie]

speaking as a united fan all i can say mick is j/t has testicles and i admire him for that as well as being a bloody good defender. where was the captain~think ~think ~think looking for his nuts totally non existant as he usualy is on the pitch. to remove the best captain weve had since bobby moore for shagging someone,s ex bird is the worse thing to happen to england since they turned b/clough down for the job. with the media hysteria we have now alf ramsey would never have won the world cup he would have been hammered from day one for omiting mr greaves god picture it five thousand media experts screaming at him for letting england down by not playing our best forward. we should stop all this media/fan poncing about and pick the best men for the job and get behind our team for once.

[TF_feeder]

well said herbie a bit of common sense at last

[water]

At least John Terry got balls to tell it as
it is.
He’s A BORN LEADER

[TF_Swimfeeder]

@water wrote:

At least John Terry got balls to tell it as
it is.
He’s A BORN LEADER

England do not have a Born Leader in their squad…..and that is part of the problem,

Read this link ; http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2010/06/england_bid_to_restore_calm.html

Terry and all of the other England players showed no “balls” when it really mattered…..what happened to the “clear the air meeting”? none of them dare say boo to a goose, leave alone a 60 year old Italian imposter……… as their performance on Friday showed, England are a gutless, sad shower of shit and are a mirror image of the English FA.

[TF_dingdong]

I wouldn’t believe a word what the media write
especially who work for the bbc.

He speaks his mind and thats it.

MICK THE BOOKIE 14/1 TO BE THE NEXT ENGLAND
MANAGER..

~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_herbie]

cant realy argue with that bob~clap

andy put the bottle away son mtb has a job to manage himself~shh

[TF_dingdong]

herbie how you doing mate

[TF_herbie]

@dingdong wrote:

herbie how you doing mate

im good more important how are you now mate

[TF_macca63]

Its always the same in England, no matter who it is the press love to build them up so they can knock ’em down and JT is no different

[TF_piperpilot]

All will be forgotten and forgiven come weds when we hammer em!! 6-0,

[TF_justin case]

At first I thought this was some kind of setup, but now Im unsure

I think its about time he done his talking on the pitch and not at a press conferences, its not his job to bring team selection into the public eye if he had a problem he should have took it up with Capello otherwise whats the point of having a manager.

These guys get paid a lot of money amounts that are far beyond what any of us could ever dream of earning, its about time he grew up stopped messing about with other peoples woman and started acting like the person he is paid to be.

these guys are turning into full time prima donna’s, all this “I want” “I want” crap has got to stop and they should give us something back and get through to the next stage.

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

Interesting thoughts so far lads.If England do get to the last 16(hopefully),John might just get away with his actions in South Africa.But if the worse scenario happens,and the team are on a flight home early,i can see this becoming a major proplem for him…..I truly hope i dont see John over the Garden fence next week.
Incidently he is planning to sell the house,and move.I sincerely hope its not to Spain.to join up with the current England Captain…lol.~shh ~shh ~shh ~shh

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

@Swimfeeder wrote:

@water wrote:

At least John Terry got balls to tell it as
it is.
He’s A BORN LEADER

England do not have a Born Leader in their squad…..and that is part of the problem,

Read this link ]

~clap ~clap ~clap Thanks for the above link Bob.I think it is a well written and a good report and opinion on the state of Englands World Cup proplems.It does i hope give John a bit of support,and could be just the kick up the arse the players need to take us further.
Come on England……I know i have my doubts on your ability,but i would love you to ram my opinions down my big mouth….MTB.

[TF_Swimfeeder]

You liked that MTB? well here is another link to listen to;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8752914.stm

Cappello talks of “respect” for the players that are picked for the team………is that the same “respect” he showed to the players that got England to the World cup finals, when he chose to bring in Carragher and tried to draft in Scholes?
Cappello undermined the team spirit big time with those thoughtless actions.

England do not have a leader on the pitch……. this is down to Cappello.

England have no spirit on the pitch…..this is down to Cappello.

The England squad have lost their identity, when they train they are surrounded by Italians, told what to do by Italians and discussed and criticized by Italians…..how, as a proud Englishman, would you feel Mick?

Cappello has no man management skills and is simply a mercenary, ultimately though, the English FA are to blame and should ,to the last man, resign after this latest World Cup debacle.

No other major footballing nation employs a foreign coach, as a result England are the laughing stock of Europe, you would have thought the FA would have learned this from the Sven years, and much as I hate to admit it, the Kaiser was correct with his comments last week.

[TF_MarkT]

What aload of rubbish that is.

So everytime he trys to better the team and bring a new player into the squad he’s disrespecting them?! Every manager in the world is guilty of that. Managers are there to do the best for the team not individual players and if that means bringing new players in then so be it.

A couple of months ago Capello was the best manager we’d had for years, he also had the best man management skills in the game. A couple of crap games and thats it he’s not good enough.

To many people are believing the press hype who are just out to wreck everything they can just so they’ve got something to write about.

Stop reading the press and support your team.

[TF_nitro]

swimfeeder werent you saying 2 weeks ago how england had a real chance this time around due to having a great manager~naughty

[TF_Swimfeeder]

@nitro wrote:

swimfeeder werent you saying 2 weeks ago how england had a real chance this time around due to having a great manager~naughty

Yes I did, and those comments were based on facts;

The fact England qualified in such a comprehensive manner.

The fact that teams such as Argentina,France and one or two others struggled to qualify.

The fact that Cappello has a fantastic C.V, but sadly, he has proved beyond all doubt, that managing a club side is vastly different to managing the Mighty England and he is out of his league.

Now that England have played twice in this World cup, and surveying all the problems that have arisen from them, it is clear, England and Cappello are doomed to fail miserably.Also looking at the team Cappello has picked for the make or break game on Wednesday, he is STILL intent on playing people out of position…….WHY??????

Mark T.

If you want to undermine a teams confidence going into the finals, one that fought through thick and thin in the qualifiers throughout Europe over months and months……..then approach two players that did not contribute in any way, shape or form because THEY DID NOT WANT TO PLAY FOR ENGLAND BY THEIR CHOICE, THEN GO FOR Carragher and Scholes, both over the hill and washed up as International players, what sort of message does that send out?
If he had approached two up and coming, improving players that were busting a gut to get into the side, then that is an entirely different matter……as I said, very,very bad man management by Cappello and the start of the rot setting in IMO.

[TF_Gary]

I think there is a point that Capello’s intense, disciplinarian style, which has been so effective when the players have got together for 3 or 4 days before friendlies and qualifiers, is less effective when the players are together as a group for several weeks. No wonder the players succomb to pressure, when they are under constant scutiny from the media and Capello and his coaching team.

I was thinking this before and it is exactly what John Terry said. After the game, the players just wanted to chill out, relax and have a beer. In that sense, I completely sympathise with the players. They are human beings and the way to get the best out of them is to have them enjoying themselves and treating this as what it is: a magnificent opportunity to showcase their skills on the world stage and do the country proud. It is not life and death and my life will go on even if England fail to beat a decent Slovenia side on Wednesday. Fergie has apparently told Rooney to relax and enjoy himself.

I find it highly ironic that somebody can shout, scream and rant via a keyboard, then accuse somebody else of having no man management skills. It is clear to me that the man management required is an opportunity for the players to RELAX and get away from the scrutiny and criticism from the media and people back home which is making their lives a misery.

They have been crap so far, but you need the right mix of carrot and stick to make things better.

[TF_Swimfeeder]

“Shout and Scream via a keyboard” ????

That is maybe your perception, but the fact is , I feel I have made several valid points in a considered, factual way….. this is after all, a forum to express ones views???, please refrain from making false accusations to bolster your feeble and ill informed post in future, it does you no credit.

[tunnel topper]

i was shouting for stevie g to be captain long before jt was made captain of england.
in the past week i have been proved wrong yet again.

if sg thought that he was our leader he would not have allowed jt to come out for the official press interview, he would have done it himself.

perhaps jt is actually the captain and stevie is in name only for publicity reasons.

i think that it is time for jt to come forward and appogogise for his actions taken in his personal life while holding a public position of responsability, and promise to put his private life on hold while representing his country (the greatest honour any one can do).
then capello reinstate him as captain.

[TF_MarkT]

Swimfeeder

Scholes was asked to join the 30 man squad not the final cut, over the hill well thats your opinion but it’s better to have the option than not, experiance is key. You obiviously don’t know much about football teams as that is the norm.

How can you judge someone on TWO games but for the other 24 games he’s been the best thing since slice bread But now in your words he’s out of his league, if he was poor in qualifiers well then i would agree.

The problem we have is apart from 2 or maybe 3 players have had good seasons the rest have had poor ones at there clubs. Everyones going on about Joe Cole but speak to any Chelsea fan and there’ll tell he’s been piss poor same as Lampard and Gerrard.

Nobody knows what it’s like in the camp, well unless you believe the rubbish thats written in the papers or sports writer blogs because there obviously true aren’t they! The training sessions i’ve seen they’ve looked happy. Teams have poor runs but for some reason we alway presume there something wrong or people aren’t upto the job. Give them a chance before writting them off.

[TF_Gary]

@Swimfeeder wrote:

“Shout and Scream via a keyboard” ????

That is maybe your perception, but the fact is , I feel I have made several valid points in a considered, factual way….. this is after all, a forum to express ones views???, please refrain from making false accusations to bolster your feeble and ill informed post in future, it does you no credit.

Bob, I perceived the use of capitals as shouting. That is not an unorthodox perception; that is conventional forum vernacular. And the voluminous nature of your posts did appear rather akin to a rant, particularly when I was reminded of your pro-England posts prior to the tournament starting.

As such, I retract none of my previous comments. Please may you tell me precisely which comments you believe constitute “false accusations” and which comments you think are “feeble and ill informed”?

[TF_Gary]

Incidentally, the fact that I have not read today’s Sun does not mean that I am “ill informed” (quite the opposite).

[TF_Gary]

Actually, I’ve just remembered your fantasy football record. Maybe we should have you in charge?!

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

Oh well, I might as well have my two pennies worth on the subject. The way I see it is, that the current England players are just not good enough. I have always thought goals win games and as far as I am concerned England do not have enough creativity in midfield. The rest i will finish later as being an opinionated person I have a lot to say on the matter.

[TF_Dodge]

Some misguided views on this thread , guess i will have to post again .

Who the f**k does John Terry think he is !!! He is just an overpaid prima donna , he may well rule the roost at Chelski and pick the team every week for whatever manager is there but this is THE WORLD CUP !!! Capello has f****d Terry off good and proper after his coriagraphed TV / press conference aided and abetted by chief FA parasite Sir “Dave” Richards. Best thing Terry can do is stop playing like a donkey , keep his mouth shut for once and start PASSING the ball to another England player ! Oh and Terry who earns something like £150K a week, gets pampered to f**k day in day out and is currently staying in a 5 star hotel with facilities to die for in South Africa …. is BORED !!!! Get real everyone.

[TF_Swimfeeder]

@Gary wrote:

Actually, I’ve just remembered your fantasy football record. Maybe we should have you in charge?!

Gary, I know you are taking the proverbial out of me, but I do know a bit about football, the England job is the poison chalice of world football and that is because the way the kids are coached. Cappello has done as well as anyone in recent years, but this is England, my England, your England, why does Cappello think playing a lump up front and punting long balls to him is the way to play the beautiful game? the Kaiser was correct, England have not progressed under Cappello, nor did they under Sven, I want to see an England outfit run by the English, I want to see a forward thinking FA bring English managers on to groom them for the big tournaments, I want to see an England team play with flair and guile, Spain were magnificent last night…..have England ever been that good? the honest answer is no! how is employing a foreign coach benefiting a long term strategy to achieve that standard, when he employs long ball tactics? we all know one day he will be sacked……where will that leave England?

The FA need to start from scratch, the coaches that shape the way kids play the game in England should be banned from adopting long ball tactics forever! teach them how to play possession football ON THE BLOODY DECK!

PS, there is no pressure in fantasy football ha ha.

[TF_Dodge]

I thought Steve MClaren was quality ~sick ~sick ~sick ~sick

[TF_andy cranes mateParticipant]

I really don’t know what the fuss is about? As usual a “reporter” asks a loaded question so they can twist an answer to get a headline. Well good old John gave an honest answer and everyones jumping around?

As an aside, its nice to see ‘arrys taking the BBC shilling tonight. Didnt he vow never to speak to them again?

[TF_MarkT]

@Dodge wrote:

Some misguided views on this thread , guess i will have to post again .

Who the f**k does John Terry think he is !!! He is just an overpaid prima donna , he may well rule the roost at Chelski and pick the team every week for whatever manager is there but this is THE WORLD CUP !!! Capello has f****d Terry off good and proper after his coriagraphed TV / press conference aided and abetted by chief FA parasite Sir “Dave” Richards. Best thing Terry can do is stop playing like a donkey , keep his mouth shut for once and start PASSING the ball to another England player ! Oh and Terry who earns something like £150K a week, gets pampered to f**k day in day out and is currently staying in a 5 star hotel with facilities to die for in South Africa …. is BORED !!!! Get real everyone.

Sorry Dodge mate but i don’t even think what he’s said and done is that bad and neither would anyone else if the press didn’t start saying he’s trying to start some kind of coup.

He’s not the only one thats said players are getting bored Barry also said in an interview before the USA game, is he a prima donna!? No. Terrys been playing alright compared to the others apart from one poor back pass.

Also i think peoples views on Terry are always smeared because of what happened to Bridge.

[TF_Dodge]

Player power should play no part at England level Mark …. Terry and Sir “Dave” were deffo trying to do just that imo.Lets hope England prove us all wrong and do us proud tomorrow , next week and the week after … LOL ~clap

[TF_Gary]

Bob, my fantasy football comment was meant to be sincere! Moving on, I read Trevor Brooking talking about our Under-17s the other day. Apparently they have been superb; playing exactly the kind of football you refer to above.

I have to say though, I do not think that creating the utopian system that you describe is simple, if even possible at all. Remember after France 98 when everyone was lauding the French system that let Aime Jacquet hand over a team of World Cup winners to the man long since groomed as his replacement, Roger Lemerre? Then the French, under Lemerre, won Euro 2000 and everyone really thought that they had cracked it. Look where they are now. On the plane home as a team of losers, just like I fear that England will be by this time tomorrow. In spite of their supposedly superior system, they have never replaced the likes of Zidane, Henry, Deschamps, Desailly, Petit, Vieira, etc.

There is only so much the manager can do. Watch Spain in this tournament – they are different class to any one else in the sense that they are strong in every position. Just like France after winning a major tournament in 1998, Spain have come to the next one with a different coach, but the same crop of world class players. For the French stars above, read Villa, Torres, Casillas, Iniesta, Xavi, etc.

England are a good team, in so far as they have some good players and a couple of players who, on form, can be considered to be excellent. However, they are not in the same class as Spain, and are also inferior to Holland, Brazil and Argentina. England are ranked by FIFA as the 8th best team in the world and I do not think that is far wrong. Based on our performances in the World Cup so far, we are probably nearer 30th, hence why we failed to beat USA and Algeria.

If we can perform to the best of our abilities (or somewhere near that) tomorrow night, we should squeeze past Slovenia. The players will only perform if they are happy, and I get the impression that this is not a happy camp. I don’t know if there are factions, rivalries or if I was right above and it is just the intense scrutiny, pressure and discipline is taking its toll, but something is not right.

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

They are not happy because they are not all they are cracked up to be, and when the sh*t hits the fan, they will do what the English always do in all walks of life, blame the management.

[TF_Gary]

Dodge, I think I could easily get bored in a 5* hotel if I was not allowed outside or to leave the premises for 6-weeks without getting a permission slip from the manager. Further, even if I was allowed out, I would have journos and paps following me every where and asking stupid questions. Yes, I think that would become tiresome very quickly.

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

I’d get bored as well, but if you’re trying to win the world cup, boredom doesn’t even begin to come into it. I actually feel for capello, he’s trying to teach them the importance of the mental discipline required to win and they moan about boredom. As for ‘brand Beckham’ what the hell is he even doing there?

[TF_Dodge]

@Gary wrote:

Dodge, I think I could easily get bored in a 5* hotel if I was not allowed outside or to leave the premises for 6-weeks without getting a permission slip from the manager. Further, even if I was allowed out, I would have journos and paps following me every where and asking stupid questions. Yes, I think that would become tiresome very quickly.

I wouldnt get bored if i was playing in a world cup tournament Gary ….. a little bit homesick maybe ….. have we had that excuse from the England players yet ? lol

[TF_Doc]

Guys,

calm down, by this time tomorrow England will have qualified for the next round, you will all be talking of 1966, although most of you wont have been born then ..

And you will have forgotten that the majority of your squad seem to be overpaid prima donnas, if they were even half as good as they think they are they would be playing for Barca or Real Madrid.

[TF_caster robParticipant]

Two excellent posts from baitchef above, especially the one about blaming the management.

As is well known, this line is most frequently taken by people with absolutely no experience of management.

[TF_MarkT]

@Dodge wrote:

Player power should play no part at England level Mark …. Terry and Sir “Dave” were deffo trying to do just that imo.Lets hope England prove us all wrong and do us proud tomorrow , next week and the week after … LOL ~clap

Hopefully they will do us proud mate but one thing is for sure theres some nervious times ahead.

This boredom stuff i think thats also been blown out of porportion, the press have made out that they’ve been held up for weeks without any contact with there friends and families. But they have they’ve had days off to go and see them, they’ve even had a few beers together as a team. You don’t see that written in the papers though it’s all doom and gloom.

[TF_Gary]

I’ve come full circle here and want to remind everyone of a point that Swimfeeder made before, which was spot on. This is the same group of players that stormed through qualifying, thrashing a strong Croatia side 4-1 and 5-1 along the way. To suggest that the players are suddenly not better than those of Algeria or the USA is simply wrong. They are not the best in the world, but they are good enough to get out of this group – end of.

Dodge/ baitchef, I don’t doubt that you would be excited to be at a World Cup, but if you were a professional footballer, used to playing Champions League and top class domestic football, typically with higher quality team mates and opponents, then I would imagine that the excitement, whilst still palpable, is somewhat diminished. Throw in the fact that the players have to live like monks whilst they are all accustomed to going out clubbing after a game, beating up strangers and shagging their team mates wives and perhaps now you can understand why they are probably looking forward to coming home?

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