KC CARPA FLOATS

[TF_GALPS]

I HAVE RECENTLY BEEN ADVISED THAT THE KC CARPA RANGE OF FLOATS ARE GREAT TO USE FOR ALL ROUND COMMERCIAL FISHING. SHOULD I LOOK OUT FOR ANY PATTERNS IN PARTICULAR ?

[TF_red_hydro]

There all decent floats mate, I have included the link to there website, each float is listed and it tells you what the float is best designed for.

http://www.kc-carpa.com

[Anonymous]

Used only KC floats for all my pole fishing while at White Acres for the last 5 weeks. Only had 1 float break in all that time and i have caught a lot of big fish. Best comercial floats i have used at a very good price!

[madforit]

Steve
I use some of them, mainly the Razors, but find that they take on water.
Whe using a 4×10 I find that after a while I have to take off shot,I end up with 2 No 10 left on the rig.
Have you had any probs like this ?

[Anonymous]

Not had this problem with any of my KCs, John. Was talking to someone who said that they had seen some KCs that did not have the KC name on the side of the floats. He knows the patterns of the floats very well so i believe he knew what he was talking about. I wounder if they are cheep copies of the KCs being introduced into some tackle shops or are we dealing with another case of a company now getting cheep inports of a great product from china. I used to use a lot of Prestons floats until a few years ago when the standard of those products dropped and it cost me a lot of money in having to replace floats almost every week. It drives me so mad!

[tenkits]

Trueblue,What kc patterns would you recommend for,
shallow work
on the deck
margin
good allrounder

[Anonymous]

I use the KC Carpa at Mawgan Porth, and have not yet had one go on me, and concidering, you catch in the region of 300+ carp everytime, the best shop bought floats out there imo.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, thats the Carpa Porth that I use.
Tenkits, If I could only use one pattern of float it would be, Carpa Porth followed by the Carpa Chimps.

[Anonymous]

madforit i too have been having trouble with the kc carpa floats taking on water

[Anonymous]

Hi Skip. You finally went home then, mate! Yes, i agree with you about these floats being the best shop bought float availale as a complete range for comercial waters. I uee the Porths, Razzors, Carpa 1s and 2s, the Chimps and the KC paste floats and that covers almost everything i do in the warmer months with reasonable weather condition. I very often use the carpa 1s for down the bank work or i use the razzors with the stem cut right back. I use the carpa 1s or 2s for fishing meat up in the water and on the deck, depending on the depth, undertow, wind and the size of bait i am using. The 2s are also very good for fishing big banned hard pellets, deep shallow! The porths are great for fishing expander pellet and corn dead depth and are probably the best all rounder along with the Carpa 2s. The razzors are very good on very still days in depths upto about 4ft with any lightish baits including expander pellet, casters maggot or worm for fishing on the drop or at dead depth. The paste floats are the best floats i have come across for catching big carp without any problems with breakages. I have never had one break yet in an type of swim. The chimps are very good in windy conditins as they are much more stable than the razzors but would like them to carry a little more shot for the size of the floats. For very shallow work i tend to use home made polly balls but i am sure the other patterns would do a very good job. I dont do a lot of that type of fishing to be honest so i have not checked out the other patterns yet. I use a few other types of floats in very windy conditions and for expander pellet, maggot and corn fishing in deeper water in the winter months but that just about covers the floats i use on comercials at the moment!

[Anonymous]

How is it going Steve? and well done on the Gold festival, I had a awful last week there, drawing pants, peg 30 on twin oaks, yuk, peg 13 pn acorn, 17 metres to the island for the odd fish, and peg 16 on tralawney for 1 small carp, beating both sides of me with that(should have fished for silvers). It was nice meeting you, and look forward to meeting up next year.

Back to the original question
I have used the porths,chimps,shelves and speeds, and highly praise them all. I think I am right in thinking that Steve Sanders is the man behind the floats, and if thats not enough, believe that S Ringer has helped out as well.

[TF_GALPS]

THANKS CHAPS, THATS A GREAT HELP TO ME. MUCH APPRECIATED

[Anonymous]

I had peg 16 on Trelawney myself for 2nd in section. peg 30 produced 2nd in my section behind me on Twin Oaks and i would have settled for any peg on Acorn rather than Nelsons. However, as we both know. Fish move around and this year a bad peg one day was a rested peg for the following day. If you see Andy Dare. Ask him if he has messed up anymore fliers again. He gave me a lot of stick on Friday night but its hard to take when you come 4th with the same points score but dropped on over-all weight.

If the two Steve,s are behind these floats. Then that explains alot. Just hope these floats are not being made now on the cheep. Its the quality that makes them stand out above other similar floats.

John, if you are on Cudmore tomorrow. I would like to have a look at those floats that are taking in water and see if they are any different to the floats i am using. As i say. They could be copies and not KC floats.

[Anonymous]

The whole of Tralawney fished poor on the last day Steve, I think 40lb won the lake. To be fair Steve, I was fished out after the two festivals, and will most likely, give the gold a miss next year.

[Anonymous]

Had the same feeling over the Prestons. I never got going. Did nothing but chill over the weekend and got things back together a bit for the gold. Not looked at my gear since i got back and getting out tomorrow for the first time. Worried that i have had to much of a good thing down there. Going to be a hard winter up North and on Cuddy after the size and numbers of fish i have caught over the 5 weeks at W/As. Think i need to move next door to you and enjoy life!

[Anonymous]

And why not Steve, we are having a individual league down here, 16 matches all on whiteacres, its a hard life mate.

[Anonymous]

You got room in the dogs basket at home for me? No, its ok. I would get fed up with catching all those lovely lumps every weekend and need to return to winning 50 pegger on Cudmore with 35lb on a good day. Now thats a hard life!

[TF_yorkshire]

I used to use preston floats, but have stop using over a year ago,only really because i found a lot of the tips where not as straight as i like. It was noticeable when i spin the floats before buying, i just feel it may effect the presentation??? perhaps i am being pedantic.
I use carpa 2 and carpa paste, most of the time, the carpa 2’s do take on water, i now leave them shotted in a bucket before making them up on rigs, then i can seal any that take on water. As for the paste i had a mare at stafford moor the other week, when the tips where breaking on a snag in my peg, they are hollow and snapped where the carbon insert finished in the tip.
After the match i chatted to a local guy on the next peg, who gave me a couple of jrange no4 floats to try, these are very similar to the carpa paste but the stem goes all through the tip, they seem very well made, and have stood up to punishment, having been run through an island!!!!.
I cant seem to find anywhere local to me that stocks them, Andy down at stafford moor is hopefully getting some in, i just parying i dont loose them.

[Sacking T]

Hi to all, just reading all of the above. I have just recently taken a delivery of KC’s, after a few weeks of waiting, i phoned a couple of times to find out where my order was, and was told that they were waiting for the delivery from Europe, so they are no longer being made in this country.
What i do with all my pole floats is to varnish all of them with the wifes nail varnish !!!!!!!!!!!. This practice makes hardly, if any difference to the shotting of them.

[Anonymous]

I have been sent this E-Mail by Steve McCrory from KC float and asked to post it on to this thread as information about KC floats. I have deleted the name of the person and shop who are reproducing and distributing copies of the KCs as i dont intend being in court in a few weeks time.

The KC Carpa floats have always been made in Hungary, by Hungarian International, and Sensas rep, Szilard Magyar. He also makes the Perfect range of floats (his own) which are extremely popular on the Continent. You can see the Perfect floats at http://www.miss-livia.com, under the “Boutique” heading / “Flotteurs Coup” and “Flotteurs Anglaise” section if you’re at all interested.

On the subject of copies, yes, there are some very unscrupulous people who think its their right to copy a product and have it made cheaply in China. They have had some of the Carpa range copied, re-made and then re-branded.

Another topic that someone raised was the fact that some of the floats take on water. This happens in all / other float ranges too, but when producing such high quantities of top quality and highly regarded items there are sometimes flaws that appear, but these are quickly rectified. On the matter of delays in delivery to customers, I can assure everyone that the floats (they arrive in quantities of 15,000 to 20,000 every other week at times) are dispatched to the individuals as quickly as possible, before the shops that have accounts get theirs. I am fully aware that some people waited a while over the summer for deliveries, but this was down to a change of location of the factory in Hungary (a change to larger premises to cope with demand). Steve Sanders is someone who will never let anyone down on an order or delivery, as he has even had some of MY spares back to fulfil customer requests, as well as taking them from his own box.

You may have noticed that Middy and Shakespeare are also getting in on the game with their own float ranges, which I believe are being made in China, and some of these are very similar to some of the Carpa floats too. This can’t be helped, as a small fish (KC Carpa) will never be able to “take on” the big fish (Middy / Shakespeare) and win. Personally, I see it as a form of flattery in the designs that Steve Sanders has worked on, with some input from Steve Ringer (the Chimp) / Clint Elliott (the Porth) / Adam Wakelin (the Paste and Margin) / Will Raison (obviously, the Raisor) / Grant Albutt (the Silverback was named after him) along the way. There is also some massive input from the Dorking team, and this will be evident in a new float that will soon be released…….more details to follow.

Anyway, that’s enough from me on the subject of KC Carpa floats (I’m well known as being the BIGGEST individual buyer of the entire range of floats), because I do use them all (every pattern) and own them all (every size in every pattern) regularly. Other than for non-UK styles, such as the Bolo or for whip fishing, there isn’t a more complete range of floats available, in my opinion, unless you look at Preston’s range, or even Garbolino’s (some of which are “copies” of the Carpa floats again).

Once again, many thanks.

[Daddy BParticipant]

The subject of floats being copied seems a grey area to me, given that the basic shapes and materials used in construction are few in number, and all manufacturers are probably as culpable as one another – just ask Steve Sanders how the “Belter” got its name.

[Anonymous]

Nothing to do with me. Just passing on the info i was e-mailed after editing it a little to stop it being removed from the forum and geting into trouble myself. The one thing i can say on the subject of copies is that they are never as good as the origionals. The only reason they are made is because they are made cheeper and that means corners being cut to make a bigger profit. In the case of the bigger companies and copies made in places like china. Quality control can be an issue in my opinion.

[TF_medway poacher]

With regard to copies of KC Carpa floats, I know at least 3 large tackle shops in the south east that stock the copies, they are inferior and are best left alone.
There are 3 very well known SE match anglers selling these floats as replicas, THEY ARE NOT REPLICAS.
They are from China and are not as well made.
The same people who make the floats in China also produce rubber keepnets and landing nets.
They also do copies of a certain Tackle shops meat-cutters for a tenner instead of £30, at those prices with a 300% mark up no wonder tackle shops are buying stocks of these replica’s in.

[Anonymous]

What i am surprised about is tackle shops selling KC Carpa floats and also the copies. Just been looking at the Benwick site and they sell KCs and the J range of floats. The J range are quite clearly a copy of the KC floats. That is unless the J range is the original!

[TF_medway poacher]

Trueblue, your right, The tackle shops I have mentioned have been selling them along side the KC Carpa range at the same price!!!!!
I was told that a certain well known angler offered the range to Steve Sanders at KC Angling and only just got out of the shop in time, now that is taking the piss.
The J range are all from China, I was offered them out of a back of a car at a match for .35p a float!!!, are they that good!.

[TF_Surrey angling]

Yorkshire =meatbasher=jrange,beware of copies buy kc carpa’s

[Anonymous]

I dont have anything against China or there people. They make very nice food! However, i am aware of corners being cut and the quality of some floats not being very good when made in that country. I came across the KC Carpa.s a few years ago when i was looking to change over from some float patterns i had used for years. I was aware that the standard of these floats i was using had dropped and it was costing me a lot of money to replace damaged floats every week. I will be using KC Carpa floats while the standard is high and i am not interested in cheeper copies. Its not cost effective in the long run and creates problems while fishing matches that i can do without!

[TF_wightangler]

there is a superb article on those hugarian ‘perfect’ range large sensitive carbon tipped wags in TCF, very good read. The kc range are also understandably must-haves down here.

[TF_medway poacher]

Trueblue, I have nothing against China if the quality is there, in this case it is not.
Surrey angling, Very cryptic but I know what you are on about and your right that is one of the sellers.

[TF_medway poacher]

I should add for everyone that the attempted copies of the KC range that i have seen have been Grey in colour so you should be able to tell them apart.

[meatbasher]

For the avoidance of doubt.

J Range COMPERTTION pole floats are All made in the EUROPEAN UNION.

Some of the tips are Italian made by Stonfo.

All carbon stems are the best on the market and wire stems are virgin steel.

The balsa is a carefully selected and seasoned wood.

All floats are hand finished and the quality controlled, they are then carefully packed with another visual QC.

The competition pole floats are black in colour with silver banding along with white lettering, there is around 15 different models.

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J range have a also a leisure range of pole floats which are made in China.

All balsa is season and is from South America.

All floats are again hand finished and then quality controlled.

The leisure range is metallic silver in colour with white lettering, there is a very limited range of these floats, suited to the club / leisure angler.

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As to our net ranges which there are quite a few, all are made to the highest of standards, in CE accredited factories within China.
Generally these are the very same factories that produce for some of the larger well named brand angling manufactures throughout the world.

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All of our items are distributed through tackle shops, we do not sell online.

Hope that clears up some of the speculation and inacurate postings.

[Corndawg moderatorParticipant]

Can I ask all of those who are having problems with certain types of floats,please make sure you are not in possession of a copied product,because as we all know,the bad press creates problems for the makers of the proper product…….

If you have any doubts about the origins,I suggest you contact the company direct,and get professional advice,enabling to identify the genuine,from the fake…….

Do not go off half cocked on here about it,as it can cause irrepairable damage to the integrety of the genuine manufacturer…….

Thank you.

[madforit]

Si; mine are deffo genuine ones.

What gets me is people suggest that I should apply a coat of varnish to them before I use them.
Surely for the price we pay for pole floats they should be right in the first place.

[TF_Decaff]

Been using various Carpas for a couple of seasons-mainly porths,carpa 1 & 2s,ripped the eyes out of a couple of carpa1s but never had any other probs.Certainly never had to nick the missus nail varnish.

[Sacking T]

Hi, by adding a layer of varnish to the floats (all, not just KCs)it gives them extra strengh, stops water getting in and helps to protect the side eyes. May be some do not see that as good advice, but it works for me.

[Methodmaniac]

Dope also does just the job!

[Anonymous]

Meatbasher, you forgot to state that the J range of floats are copies of the KC Carpa range!

[madforit]

ST.
I’m not saying it’s not good advice matey, but shouldn’t the floats be right in the first place ?

[Corndawg moderatorParticipant]

Waste of a good smoke if you ask me Methodmaniac !!!!!!!!

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