Lindholme Lakes – Luncheon Meat Ban

[TF_Fishyhooky]

Garbolino Lindholme Lakes has announced that luncheon meat will be banned in open matches and festivals from the 1st June onwards.

Talking to Pole Fishing, fishery owner Neil Grantham was firm about his decision on the new rule, and said “It’s been coming for a long time – there are several reasons for me banning luncheon meat.

“The first and foremost is to do with water quality. After a weekends matches during the summer, you can often see fatty scum and meat slicks on the lake – I haven’t had any problems with the fish because of this, but it’s not what I want to see on my fishery.

“I don’t profess to be an expert on fish, but after looking into some facts, I’ve discovered that it actually takes a carp three days to digest meat. Conversely, it takes only an hour for a carp to digest a pellet. This is due to the fatty waste in luncheon meat product. When I first dug The Bonsai lake, it was an average of six feet deep in the middle – now it’s only four feet. I’m certain that the build up of meat waste has a lot to do with the accumulation of this matter on the bottom. Pellets and natural baits break down naturally and are eaten by bacteria and enzymes in the water. However, the meat waste is not.

“The effect of meat on a fishery wouldn’t be so bad if anglers stuck to using just one tin per session. However, on the festivals and in some open matches, people were turning up with up to a dozen tins! I initially thought about putting a limit on the bait, but this would be far too difficult to police, and I’m certain that people would try and fiddle any limit rules.

“I’m still letting club anglers use the bait at my fishery, as they use far less than those attending the open matches and festivals. Also, many of the clubs send out the rules from fisheries to their members early in the year, and with many of them not following us on Facebook and the like, they could turn up with little bait other than meat. However, next year, I think I will ban the bait at the fishery all together.

“It’s worth noting that the Fish ‘O’ Mania and Match This qualifiers are not classed as open matches, so meat will be allowed on these events.”

[TF_ian1980]

i think the reasoning is absurb!!! reason why: meat comes into its own from april to octoberish thats when most club matches r run too so therell be loads of meat used by them,n theres more club anglers turn up to lindholme than open match anglers during those months,personally if i went there n i used to im afraid i wouldnt go ever again. greed comes to mind raping the anglers that go thro the winter months trying to sell more pellets to them

[TF_Fishyhooky]

Neil has also put the price of pellets up
Last year £2.20 a bag or 2 bags for £4.00
This year £2.50 a bag, 2 bags for £5.00

Going to be the same as Woodland @ Thirsk soon

In my opinion

[TF_Tubestation]

I agree with you its your fishery and its right that meat causes problems…..But i think its a cop out not banning it for fisho and match this. Because they are the lads who will pile it in, and it seems very hypocritical to let them use it. After all it is your fishery so just ban it ….maybe you dont want to lose the prestige of hosting these matches

[TF_Time Traveller]

I’m sure this debate is set to run on for a long while yet, and anything that affects one of the countrys’ premier fisheries is sure to attract attention, and given Neil has kicked it off….he will have the final say I reckon, he’s not one to change his mind so easily, it’s only the “pound in his pocket” that matters and that may have the final say.

I don’t disagree with him about the amount that gets thrown in when you here of anglers putting 10+ tins it just sounds crazy. But that’s what it has come to really, we the anglers, in our lust for bigger weights, bigger fish, and a lot more of them just bring about these situations. 5 loaves of bread, a gallon of maggots, 6 tins of corn, 4 nags of high oil pellets, the list just goes on.

What is behind it all…..the hungry carp, or rather the excessive stocking that goes on driven by anglers who think MORE is better? Even seen anglers on here who think 200lb of carp should be the “norm”. Can you imagine the stress these fish are under, high density few natural food options, sounds like a foreign country dosen’t it?

Whenever we create unatural situations something has to give, we stretch it to breaking point don’t we? Our first local carp lake allowed natural baits only …. and it was ok for a long while until the pleasure anglers started chucking everything at it in their quest for MORE!

If we banned everthing except maggot and worm what would happen? Do you think the carp would stop feeding, sure they would be a few weeks of uncertanty but they would come back to the natural baits eventually, one commy near us still strictly enforces “Natural” baits and his pellet, 100lbs everyweek including a good head of silvers.

The problem here is ourselves isn’t it we upset he balance and when the scales tip against us we don’t like it……what would we say if the fish in the lakes just turn belly up? We would blame the fishery owner for allowing all them match anglers chucking all that bait in and overstocking the lakes…..

There should be a “Rule” in fishing that applies to life “Everything in Moderation” apply that to all things and the balance is restored……anglers blame yourselves, you wanted more, well you got it…..don’t blame the owner for restoring the balance….BUT has he gone far enough I ask?

Why not ban the pellet as well…… it would be interesting to find out from the EA if a single food source was healthy for the fish,

Everything in Moderation…..

[TF_JohnH]

I fully support this ban but agree its a bit rich being selective. Reading the report however I get the impression its only this year, next year will see a full ban.
Bollingey ban it at W/A but you can use it on festivals, 2 tins only though I understand and you will be checked rigorously. Mallory ban it outright no argument.
If fish welfare is the issue there can only be one way to go.
Fishery owners should not fudge.
It might help too if “our pellet only rules” were not followed with large increases in price, most anglers to me seem very stretched with high fuel costs etc so my conclusion is fewer will fish the higher the cost.
Lindholme is a big drive for most due to its remote location.

[TF_jono]

i can buy skretting pellets for £28 for a 25 kilo sack (pick up only).
that works out at £1.12 per kilo. i would guess that most fisheries bags of pellets are a lot less than a kilo in weight. so you can see here that £2.50 a bag is a mark up of considerably more than 100%!!
no wonder anglers feel robbed all the time!!

[TF_matchace]

well to put it right i ACTUALY agree with neil
on this one
we anglers are our own worst enemy
i know for a fact that one SUPERSTAR bangs in 10 tins of meat
yea you read it right 10 TINS thats 10 pints to my mind in 1 match

if you also look at the fat content of luncheon meat
to me its about 40% per tin i will let you guys do the maths
as for the price of pellets once again we winge about it
but the fact remains diesel has gone through the roof so has everything else come
to think of it THESE VENUES are buisness’s END OFF

[TF_paulnewell]

The reduction of depth in commercial lakes can be down to a number of reasons but one of them is that the overstocking produces masses of fish shit that cannot be digested by natural organisms . Many of the older venues are in dire need of emptying and cleaning . Of course this will always be put off due to the costs involved ! Easier to make claims of heavy feeding match anglers doing damage . Some match anglers actually prefer to Not have to catch the huge weights required . The massive overstocking is done so that the sharabang clubbies that pay big sums of money to sit on every pallet that are too close together might muster 20lbs .The top boys attempt to secure every other peg which when added to the big difference in skills and the nouse that hungry carp can devour huge quantities of bait proceed to fill three keep nets . IMO some fishery owners don’t like to see the big boys catch so many and the evidence is easy to see !! Clubbies pay the same , weigh themselves in , suffer shit pegging , and Open anglers are not as welcome as each venue becomes established and the owners grasp the nettle ? 😉

[TF_matchace]

paulnewell you have turned that around from luncheon meat ban to over pegging
i realy dont understand where you are coming from
what has depth got to do with it when OPEN anglers are banging in 10 TINS of meat
you have to surely understand the logic of why neil has done this
as ive said before i totally understand its damn right crazy
and by the way which in your words is any clubbie going to buy 10 TINS of meat
i personally think your of your rocker mate

[TF_paulnewell]

You did not fully read the 1st post . The owner claims the depth change could be due to excess bait . My reasoning talks of the need to use fairly robust amounts of bait . Top matchmen are there to win and remember only a few weeks ago feeding nothing , just bread dobbing was winning loads . My beef with these bans , me being at the end of one is this . Many are due to whingeing anglers who like to feed a bobs worth of pellets, and win jack . Collectively chewing at the Boss and getting a stick in the wheel of the best anglers . And it works . It did for me and many others . Probably the sort of compromise and various limits set at Whiteacres is best . Meanwile the cream still rises to the top . Now where’s the number for the trick cyclist ??? 😀 😀 😀

[TF_ian1980]

@matchace wrote:

paulnewell you have turned that around from luncheon meat ban to over pegging
i realy dont understand where you are coming from
what has depth got to do with it when OPEN anglers are banging in 10 TINS of meat
you have to surely understand the logic of why neil has done this
as ive said before i totally understand its damn right crazy
and by the way which in your words is any clubbie going to buy 10 TINS of meat
i personally think your of your rocker mate

personally i think your off your rocker tbh if u think neil gives a fook about his fish then u must be!!!! only thing thats on neils mind is PUBLICITY+ MONEY nowt else matters
its all about pellet sales
its a cop out to let club anglers fish the bait n not open anglers if hed ban it across the board then ok he can say it effects the water quality etc but to have a partical ban is just money motivated
u say which clubbie is gunna buy 10 tins of meat well i know a club match thats run like an open match on lindholme that fish for more than the open anglers can win upto £200 for winner so if i fished that id throw 10 tins in without question if it was needed
where do u think all the team anglers have gone n the good wkd only anglers have gone?yes back into club match fishing where a good standard match is run!!!!!!!!!!!!! just like myself,knowing u cant compete against anglers that fish 4/5 times a week on same commerical
paul is no mug at this game i read his comments with an open mind n they all make sense some on these forums seem to have a dig at him over his views n how he took certain venues apart,in 6 months time hell only be doing it somewhere else,if the rivers were still summat like im sure he would have never come off them n still be taking them apart

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

Meat is as little as £1 a tin from several shops,poundland/poundworld being the obvious ones.so 10 tins is £10.a bag of fishery pellets is probably £2.-2.50+.maggots £3+ a pint.casters £4+ a pint.worms £20+ a kilo.so costs is not always an issue with meat,or even corn for that matter compared to natural baits,or pellets.
as for selective banning of baits on some matches,thats just for publicity over fish welfare.

[Anonymous]

It has been banned at Messingham Sands for everybody especiaaly as matchmen were using upto ten tins every match, for a few years as it left scum on water.

[TF_ian1980]

@peterm wrote:

It has been banned at Messingham Sands for everybody especiaaly as matchmen were using upto ten tins every match, for a few years as it left scum on water.

since when i won the good friday match fishing meat n kev johnson never said anything to me after match while talking about the tactics used
think u need to read the rules only cat n dog meat is banned at messingham

[TF_paulnewell]

Recently I was reminded that I banged on about my ban a little to long . How much longer do we have to wait for a reply from some top anglers regarding this meat issue . Those affected are very quiet .???? ps Ian 1980 get you that beer when we meet !! 😉

[TF_matchace]

wow -10 rep point only (makes note to try harder )
to be honest you guys are the reason that angling is in the demise you talk write talk write
and write some more
its boring

neil feels that it is damaging his fish (note i say HIS fish ) bought and paid for
trolls who hide behind names and has nothing better to do disgust’s me
all due to an owner that is taking the welfare of fish and waters first

(im chris moorhead by the way )

and if the truth is all about money then i would’nt mind being a quid behind neil
wow what a complex what a venue it’s truly brilliant
but the computer age allows individuals to (with bad spelling)
slate these people whom have never but never will own a fishery
neil has taken the venue to the next level and will continue to do so
ploughing in thousand in fact hundred of thousands of pounds every year

your pegs are clean he does pellet checks he and his staff in my opinion
do and excellent job and keep a well run venue
standing for no silly buisness from anyone
so let the computer age (trolls) try there best
the fact remains its one of the best venues for 300 miles

[TF_JohnH]

Paul, you are spot on mate, I could not have put it better myself.

[TF_paulnewell]

Lets all slow up a bit with this and not fall out . The owners could help more if they obtained some scientific evidence . Consider now how many baits you know are banned in your area . Bread , Catmeat , Dogmeat, Paste , Groundbait , Mussels , Cockels , Prawns . Oh and lunchenmeat . Then they allow a varnished hard pellet presented helicopter fashion ??? OH I forgot a 2 pint maggot limit . That’s to let you feed the roach and Rudd . We could try lure fishing in match conditions , No fat , No pollution , No poles . !!! No expensive bait . Fancy that .. :p :p :p

[TF_Mike Herrington]

Jigging with a lure on long pole, I am up for that. hahaha. 🙂 🙂

[TF_paulnewell]

Briscoe from Maver fly fished Larford Lakes with a cork . It’s on video and he caught .

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

@paulnewell wrote:

Briscoe from Maver fly fished Larford Lakes with a cork . It’s on video and he caught .

He did catch on a piece of cork using a fly rod.
it was a Maver cork,which was lighter and stiffer than last years Maver cork.LOL.

[TF_paulnewell]

Good crack, like it . 😀

[TF_iansi01354]

I have no issue whatsoever with a total ban of meat, I do though struggle with banned for opens but not for clubbies, fisho and MMT etc

Also seems a little dismissive of the paying customer to also put pellet up at the same time…..appears 2 bags are now 25% dearer!

Man up and ban it completely, if your fish stocks are really at risk. If its quantity used over the summer ban it on Saturdays but leave it as okay for Sundays……that,ll half the problem 🙂 …..same as open vs clubbie ban ( oh forgot is fisho on a sat or sun) 😀

In reality it’s the owners choice to implement bizarre rules, I just find myself voting with my feet and staying away from fisheries with bizarre rules…..life us too short.

[Anonymous]

I,ve had a similar argument with Neil on here in the past over pellets. Lost of people jumped to his defence with arguments that it is his fishery and he is allowed to make a living. At the end of the day. He is a business man and profit is number one on his mind and its for the least amount of work. This issue is about profit and nothing to do with the fish or lake welfare!

If bait limits would solve the issue. Then, the simple solution would be to police the anglers. It does not take very long to walk around the lakes and do bait checks.

Every peg on his cmplex has earnt him many thousands of pounds. The pellets he sells earn him a lot more.

If he was worried about fish welfare and the depth of his lakes. The lakes would be drained every year and the crap would be removed. I clean the kids gold fish tank every week to stop the crap from building up. Im sure those with garden ponds maintain them every so often. No, the kids dont feed the gold fish any meat. They dont buy pellets from me either!

[TF_paulnewell]

Tell it like it almost certainly is . The manager where I went snapped his fingers and said I can get your bread banned just like that . No says I He has always said there’s no bans here , it’s used all over the world . AH says the man when I tell him the takings from bait sales are right down , he will ban it !! You know what he’s like about money in his pocket ? With a big stupid smirk on his face I never believed him . Previously the boss came behind while iwas fishing . Glad someone’s feeding my fish some of these other anglers chuck nothing in !! Same almost everywhere , Usually taking a while , Once established , They realise the top open boys give the fish a caning and win most money . Get rid of them , Fill it with clubbies and sell them lots of pellets at inflated prices !! Bugger rather catch less and enjoy the days ! 😉

[TF_CriagH66]

This is dead simple as far as I see it.

Regardless of the amount of bulls**t or misunderstanding a fishery owner may have on what causes an overstocked lake to silt up so quickly – Trueblue you’re absolutely spot on with the fish tank scenario, very funny. As a free thinking individual you have the choice to fish there or not. If you enjoy fishing meat in Summer and get good results take your business elsewhere. If you are happy using the fishery pellet then stick with the venue.

On another point. If a fishery owner wants to sell skrettings pellets bagged up with the fishery brand at 100% mark up then best of luck to him. It’s a business first and foremost.
Don’t hear anyone complaining about the price of milk from Sainsburys, does anyone go directly to the farmer, or better still the cow!

[TF_matchace]

hey craig where do i find the cow lmfaooooooo
i thought milk came from aliens loooooooool

[TF_boss baitParticipant]

@paulnewell wrote:

Lets all slow up a bit with this and not fall out . The owners could help more if they obtained some scientific evidence . Consider now how many baits you know are banned in your area . Bread , Catmeat , Dogmeat, Paste , Groundbait , Mussels , Cockels , Prawns . Oh and lunchenmeat . Then they allow a varnished hard pellet presented helicopter fashion ??? OH I forgot a 2 pint maggot limit . That’s to let you feed the roach and Rudd . We could try lure fishing in match conditions , No fat , No pollution , No poles . !!! No expensive bait . Fancy that .. :p :p :p

Would have to be fisheries own lures though just in case they are harmful

[TF_paulnewell]

Yes and all the same so no one can invent anything ! Many vote with their feet now . I had a good run and shouldn’t slag it . Them that get to grips with a bait and plunder the fish and the money get vilified . They don’t cause it . It’s overstocking and a lack of serious scientific evidence . Sounds like I must change my diet to one of FIshmeal cause I gets a bit bunged up after a big steak . If his carp take three days to digest luncheon meat is he upset about their bowel movements or might it be more like , Will they be available to be caught again on Monday , Tuesday , Wednesday , Thursday , Oh and there’s the Friday Flier ! I nearly forgot ???? Fish welfare my ass . 😡

[TF_Matchcarp]

At least this simplifies your bait options, I fish Lindholme regularly and find pellet far more productive than meat anyway – People may be under the misconception that meat brings bigger fish but I don’t think that’s the case, certainly not on bonsai at least as just about all the fish are the same age and weight give or take the odd lump. If it’s same for all (in the opens) then why get excited about it, meat fishing is no cheaper than pellet fishing and you don’t have to mess about chopping up your bait and doing whatever else you think you need to do to meat before fishing it. Just rip open a bag of 6 mils and you are in to fish – Simples 😀 😀 😀

[TF_redarmy]

people who think neil only thinks about profit obviously dont see the amount of cash he has given away at charity matches over the years

[Anonymous]

Its all very good PR to run a few charity matches. Those matches are very well attended and of course gives the fishery the chance to sell even more of his pellets. I,ve just done some loss leaders for my business. The extra interest and expossure resulted in more sales at the correct price. It more than made up for a few losses in the short term.

If meat is not such a good bait on the fishery. Why would anglers want to use it? If very few want to use it. Whats the issue with still giving the anglers a free choice over what baits they want to use? Clearly, there is very little issue over the use of meat other than bigger profits from those few anglers who now cannot use it if they want. Those anglers are forced in to buying the fisheries own pellets as a next best option after meat.

If the fishery allowed other carp pellets to be used. Then, there would be no argument over the fishery attempting to maximizing profit from the anglers. When has a carp pellet such as skrettings not been a healthy pellet? Plenty of science has gone in to Skretting pellets and its a trusted manufacture of fish food pellets around europe! Almost every fisheries pellets are manufactured by that company! Their not good enough for Lindholme fishery for some reason!

[TF_redarmy]

if youve just made more money pay your glebe fee 😀

[TF_scarf]

This thread has certainly brought out the unpleasant side of one or two posters. Disappointing!
And, by the way, It’s a long time since pellets were £2.20 at Lindholme. If you must moan at least get your facts right.

[TF_paulnewell]

Give us a clue what is unpleasant to you ? The ban will be very unpleasant for the anglers successfully using luncheon meat . Banning bread at TBF was very unpleasant for me . My bait left no fat or scum . Just a bad taste that hasn’t gone . I agree false claims of pellet costs are wrong but at least enter the debate with some effort . Some posts may not be rosy because commercial fisheries involve keeping the paying public happy . All over the country anglers become disillusioned with their local commercial . Some things make them unhappy and they won’t keep quiet because you are disappointed . 😡 :confused:

[TF_neil g]

Lets get the facts right you set of idiotic computer ghosts .
1. Pellets have not been £2.20 all last year it was the year before,they have been £2.50 since April 2013,some of my sponsored anglers got a discount.
They are still in the same bags ,printed in proper sealed bags not in a knotted plastic bag.
They are cheaper then all manufacturers bagged pellets .
If you think it is for more profit then you are thicker then i thought .
I get around 110 open anglers a week on a good week around 50% of them use meat,so that means by banning meat i could if everyone switched to pellets and they all bought 2 bags each a extra sales of 55 bags weekly.If you honestly think i am interested in chasing this small profit you must be off your fooking heads.
If you think i do charity matches for the publicity again you are idiots,i went last sat to a fund raiser for a little girl who i do not even have the foggiest of her last name i only no she is called Polly.
I went only on the spur of the moment has i was told her family had sold there car ,furniture,and done loads of stuff to get her to America for a stem cell life saving operation.
During the night while i was there they showed a video of this little girl and they was £15890 short,before i heard how much they was short i got up in front of 100 people i did not even have the foggiest off (i only new 2 people there) and said has proud has that Lindholme Lake will give anything they don’t make that night ,do you think i do things for publicity grow up you idiots.
Trueblue do you understand how much stress it would cause to clean out your lakes every year,i thought you was lacking a brain and its quiet obvious you are.
i cannot ban it out right this year because has i said ,some clubbies fish with clubs for the outing and only come prepared for a bacon roll and pint after wards so to arrive and find they need to buy another bait after spending there money on meat would in my mind be unfair.
I don’t need to explain my decision however what you think of me there is not a fairer and more generous man in fishing period.
I charge
£6.50 a day ticket
£5.50 older
£4.50 junior
£2.30 pint for maggots
£2.50 a pint for casters
£2.50 a pint for draught John Smiths
£3 a pint for Draught Peroni
£2.50 a kilo for my own ground bait
£5.50 a breakfast
I gave £500 of my own tackle to Big Bash 5 days ago NOT INCLUDING THE PRODUCTS DARREN GAVE.
I could go on and on about the about of money i give away WHY because the anglers allow me to do it.
I will post in a moment what info i have on meat and make your own mind up ,if you don’t like it keep away ,i don’t need idiots on my lakes.
My last little bit of info before i go away again for a couple of years again (i forgot why i stopped coming on here until someone poked me today and i read this shite ) is .
Do you now what my name is on my site too all my residence and friends and most fishermen
GIVEAWAY GRANTHAM
Sorry for the grammar and spelling i came from a mining background left school with nothing at 17 worked my tits off for 35 years to be in a position to make my own destiny
Guess what I MADE IT .
Sorry i forgot too mention they was short at the end of the night ,how much did i donate too Polly £2545,sorry how much did you all donate buy buying pellets £2545. Thanks

From another poster obviously not a idiot

Humans are very good at processing fats, in particular meat fats. We have had lots of experience through our varied diet over thousands of years and are able to break down about 70% of fat molecules with the rest passing through almost untouched, in tests at Durham university they found that of the fish tested carp, chub and catfish had the best fat molecule processing capability at 28-32% with the remaining passing through almost unchanged..

Here is the science part courtesy of my daughter who some of you will know is university bio chemistry student.

Fat is the collagation of lipid acids, transient oils and complex carbohydrates of any living tissue ( animal ). If we were to bite into a cow when it was still alive we could digest 100% of the fat because the fat molecules are still in there basic form and have not turned into complex molecules. When the animal dies the change starts straight away with the lipids clumping together and forming new complex structures and on we go. Processing the meat further by heating or adding different chemicals can all change the fat molecules into more complex fatty acids..

What the digestive system of any living animal does is try and return its food content into as basic structure as possible as the rest of the animals body can only deal with simple molecules like glucose, o2, co2, ..

So the fresher the meat the easier it is for you to deal with, same for any animal. If you feed any animal (humans included) processed preserved meat fat then a lot of that can not be broken down..

Complex fatty acids congeal in water and micro organisms face the same challenges as animals and cannot break down fatty acids at all so here are some fact lads. not bulshat or opinion

At least 55% of every bit of meat fat that has entered your lakes are still there now and will take decades to even slightly affect it

[TF_neil g]

Garbolino Lindholme Festival starts again this year on 26st May for 5 days of great fishing and good company .
It is £120 for the 5 days including free evening meal, all pegging fees and final payout of £5000 .
we have some lodges available for hire for £50 a night between 3 people and touring caravans for £20 a night between 2 .
Garbolino have again sponcered this festival for a top end pole ,rods ,nets and luggage,we have 32 registered so far .
There is a optional £10 a day to be paid out in section monies only on the day .
This festival is based on around 50 fishing,there is nothing taken out for pegging and food and in the event of not getting 50 ALL the £120 gets paid out inthe final payout to the top 8 anglers Flipping heck Money Grabbing Neil how much does he take out of this
Free Pegging
free food on evening
Every penny given back and free food and a £1000 golden peg (won last year)
phone 01427872905 or 01427875555 to book your place

Forgot too mention we do it again on July 21st.
Must look at this i might go skint giving all this away, got a idea make it Lindholme Maggots only hmmmmm

[TF_GLEBE1]

Can’t believe some of the bollocks on this thread,Trueblue never disappoints when it comes to telling fishery owners where they’re going wrong and Paul Newell is still grinding his axe!!!

It really couldn’t be easier, if you don’t like it don’t go!!!
You can all bang on about the price of fishery pellets but don’t you realise that buying a bag of “named” pellets in a shiny bag from a tackle shop is a proper rip off!! At least a fishery gives you something back in return.

When Roy banned meat for the same reasons at the Glebe no one moaned we just moved on and accepted it because we know it’s HIS FISHERY and we have no right whatsoever to question it.

[Anonymous]

Now thats a reply !!

Thoroughly enjoyed….

[TF_neil g]

‘Ho’ what a shame i watched Trueblue read my reply,realised what a cock he , Ian and Paul is and put his between his legs and fooked off without a response,
He’s good in theory but fooking crap at practicality .
Finished for tonight i am up in the morning at 5.30 collecting rubbish ,turn off aerators (12 of, fish welfare you no) ,old bait to recycle and see if i can find a few lost floats to put back in the shop.
Good night all

[TF_neil g]

sorry

[TF_neil g]

I forgot too mention i individually sponsored the Stillwater national for £2500 for last year at my lakes and this year at Heronbrook and co .
Scratch my head and wonder ,i remember.

GIVEAWAY GRANTHAM

[Anonymous]

Neil, im sure you are a nice man who has a heart of gold.

However, as you already know from other discussions on this forum in the past. And, we have had more than a few. I dont agree with your pellet policy. I never have and I never will. Your policy is in place to make extra income pure and simple. Your not the only one but two wrongs dont make a right!

I now dont agree with your policy regarding meat or your feeble excuse!. As to why you have these rules/policies only you know the real truth but its not for fish welfare or to save the anglers money thats for sure 100%.

Neil, I never suggested clearning your lakes out every year but have you ever done it? Cudmore do it as do Whiteacres to name but two! You also see fishery staff on the banks making sure that rules are followed INCLUDING CHECKING BAIT ALLOWANCES. You never saw me complaining when Whiteacres reduced the meat allowances allowed at that fishery. Sensible rules and the fishery staff putting in the work to makes sure that they are followed instead of banning anything that goes though your head!

Its nothing personnal, Neil. Its your fishery. You make the rules. I dont like them. So, i, ve only visited your fishery a few times and i,ve not returned in the last 3 years. Im not likely to return again!

Gleebe1, its simple. I dont like or agree with bait bans. Totally agree with policies of limiting baits if the anglers cannot use reasonable levels of bait or it becomes a big issue to the health of the fish stocks. Whats your point of view a part from kissing a$$ or saying vote with your feet???

I dont get my pellets in shinny bags. I get my carp pellets by the sack from the most trusted pellet manufacture in the UK. I dont want over priced pellets with strange colours in some of them to determin if I had purchased them at the fishery or not!

[Anonymous]

You edited your post Gleebe1.

Yes, Roy might have now banned meat but for a very long time he had a bait limit on meat. The other point with the Gleebe is that its a club fishery. Its not an open match venue. I was also just as vocal when you had to use those green pellets. Then, Roy changed his mind. Interesting that??? Fish health reason im guessing???

Really did considered joining the club this winter but the rivers won.

[TF_neil g]

Well i did do the Loco 4 years ago ,i did the bennys lake last year ,’ho ‘ i did the willows 3 years ago, i built the bonsai 6 years ago and the oasis 5 years and the oscars 3 years ago ,i did the new residence only lake this winter .
Now there up and running, good management should last a few more years.
I managed to finished my new house after 6 years of building it last year .i also built the new clubhouse 3 years ago and built the new touring caravan site and put in 8 new lodges .
Hee , thats why i am sat in on a Sat Night instead of going out on champayne i spend too much

Just for the record Roy advised me also to ban meat

[TF_GLEBE1]

@TrueBlue wrote:

You edited your post Gleebe1.

Yes, Roy might have now banned meat but for a very long time he had a bait limit on meat.

Very long time? more bollocks!!!!

[TF_neil g]

@TrueBlue wrote:

I,ve had a similar argument with Neil on here in the past over pellets. Lost of people jumped to his defence with arguments that it is his fishery and he is allowed to make a living.

If he was worried about fish welfare and the depth of his lakes. The lakes would be drained every year and the crap would be removed. I clean the kids gold fish tank every week to stop the crap from building up. Im sure those with garden ponds maintain them every so often. No, the kids don’t feed the gold fish any meat. They dont buy pellets from me either!

Trueblue i have come to the conclusion that i am speaking to a fish has you have a very short memory

[Anonymous]

Yes, you where building the club house the last time I was at your fishery.

All that money your giving away. Would it not be better to employ someone to do bait checks after putting in some reasonable bait limits that benefit the fish, the fishery and the anglers. You could even start allowing high quality carp pellets that are allowed on most commercial venues unless they sell their own.

As I say, Neil. Nothing personnal. Just a few things that annoy me that could be solved with different policies/rules. Its your fishery. I did have a look. Used my feet!

[Anonymous]

If you where that worried about the level of your lakes and silting up. You would do something about it, year on year if that was what was needed! Meat is not the problem if reasonable limits where in place and policed.

Did Roy have a limit on the amount of meat allowed, Glebe1? Still no view on banning baits or bait limits?

[TF_GLEBE1]

Roy put a 2 tin limit on and said if it was abused he would ban it altogether, sure enough someone was soon found carrying a stack in their bag so he banned it. His fishery his rules.
The limit was not in place for “a very long time” as you put it to bolster your point!
As for having a view on limits and bans, I consider myself as a paying visitor to any venue,therefore I fish to their rules and limits,if I don’t like or agree I don’t go again,simple as that!

[Anonymous]

Stop attempting to pick holes in my argument by twisting my words, Glebe1.

First time I fished on the Glebe was about 7 or 8 years ago and there was a bait limit of two tins. Thought it was only about two years ago that meat was banned completely. Maybe it was longer than that but Roy did have a limit as I suggested. If someone was found to be cheating. Hopefully they where banned from the fishery for life. Shame that resulted in the bait being banned altogether if thats the case. As you say. His fishery. Its not an open match venue. So, he really does make the rules.

[TF_GLEBE1]

@TrueBlue wrote:

Stop attempting to pick holes in my argument by twisting my words, Glebe1..

I don’t need to do that, you’ve written so much ill informed bullshit about the place and it’s members over the years,most people know the score.

[Anonymous]

Glebe wrote

I don’t need to do that, you’ve written so much ill informed bullshit about the place and it’s members over the years,most people know the score.

Glebe1, if we are now talking about the two day event and the gardening issues/cheating. Its not something I would do and I class it as cheating. Its not allowed in that event anymore with very good reason. Enough anglers who where at that event made their views very clear on this forum on the subject. Amazed you can even attempt to defend what happened or bring it up again. As for being ill informed. I knew what had happened before the match started. Clearly I knew enough!

[TF_GLEBE1]

I wasn’t talking about a specific incident as nearly every comment you make about the place is garbage, the fact that you never fish the place demostrates this.
Since YOU brought it up there’s a few answers you conveniently ducked when challenged on the thread, maybe you could read back and address them.

https://www.total-fishing.com/phpbbforum/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=56775

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

I have always been in favour of bait limits rather than bait bans.which in my own opinion are fairer to all anglers.limits keep all anglers on an even playing field, where as bans can be brought in on something as simple as anglers objecting to some who win on a regular bait and method,and not due to cost,fishwelfare,or water quality issues or interests.wether we like it or not,fishery owners or managers make the rules 90 percent of the time,and we can either accept them right or wrong or go elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Glebe1, you suggest that you where not talking about that specific incident. So, what are you talking about, specifically? Its not very often that I have anything to say regarding the Glebe.

I gave you an answer to your yes or no question. Did you answer my question in the same thread?

[TF_Johnny Mac]

Lindholme is one of the best match fisheries in the country and Neil is one of the best owners. How many fishery owners give back as much as Neil?? If the fishery want to ban meat then it’s banned and that’s that. Why keep going on about it? If you don’t like it, don’t go there.
I have plenty of friends that fish the opens and festivals there and they’re not moaning as much as people that don’t even fish there…………(Trueblue :p )

[Anonymous]

Dont you start, Johnny. You hate bait bans just as much as me! 😮

[TF_ian1980]

@Johnny Mac wrote:

Lindholme is one of the best match fisheries in the country and Neil is one of the best owners. How many fishery owners give back as much as Neil?? If the fishery want to ban meat then it’s banned and that’s that. Why keep going on about it? If you don’t like it, don’t go there.
I have plenty of friends that fish the opens and festivals there and they’re not moaning as much as people that don’t even fish there…………(Trueblue :p )

hes not exactly banning it tho is he?hes letting a club angler who probably is only going once or twice in the yr use it so his pellet sales aint gunna change that much, against an open angler who has to go often to make it worth while to be able to compete has to buy his pellets thats where his pellet sales change,pointless going with maggot or casters now its full of shitters that hammer those baits.FORGET what he gives away everyone knows it goes against tax returns.ALWAYS REMEMBER nobody gives u nowt for nowt in business

[TF_neil g]

I.ll give you something for nowt Ian .ADVICE

YOUR A IDIOT

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

Neil g,the only post you made that makes no sense to me personally,is where you say that you cannot ban meat outright this year because some club anglers are coming for a bacon roll and a pint,so asking extra expense for another bait other than meat they may bringing would not be practical.
would you still have the same opinion if as an example,i was a smoker on 60+ fags a day,and therefore whould rather spend money on an excessive habit,than cut down on the fags for 5 hours once a week and pay £2-£2.50 on an alternative bait for my club match,or i might fancy a couple of pints and 2 bacon rolls that day.so if i have the money for such things,should i not also have enough to be a bag of pellets as well.?
every club booking your venue must know the rules when booking,or should/would be told when booking surely.?

this is not personal towards you or lindholme lakes,just an observation on the thread.

[TF_ian1980]

i must be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but please dont bullshit me with your reasons just like tidalwave has just wrote about informing clubs i can accept a limit on any bait or a total ban but a partial ban tells me its money motivated no more.good luck anyways.OH AND THANKS FOR THE FREE ADVISE 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

most fisheries sell bags of pellets or around £2-3 a bag,so they are still cheaper than a pint of maggots,casters etc.meat and corn are £1 a tin or less than £1 a tin for corn,or a bag from iceland for example.the real expense of pellets comes from branded packaging,not the exact same pellets sold bagged up at the fishery,or colour dyed,or colour mixed for identity purposes by the fishery.

[TF_neil g]

Tidalwave We have around 380 clubs booked in for this year ,or should i say 380 club matches.
They book and pay sometimes 2 years in advance i give the organisers a receipt with the rules of that YEAR in or around Jan – Feb .
Alot of the clubs have been coming for the whole time i have been here so i don’t carry phone numbers etc ,i trust they will turn up and pay me on the day ,i don’t have too ring them they never let me down ,nor do i let them down .
How do i inform every club about a change in rules, i cannot i don’t think you all realise just how many clubs we cater for we have had 26 here this weekend .
All it will do is cause a bad feeling with all the clubs ,has it is, it is only causing remarks off anglers who don’t even come here for open matches and are purely spreading stupid untrue remarks about how i should run my lakes and how i have put up the prices etc etc all are aloud of shite.
They all hide behind the names and are frightened to say who they really are apart from the ones i have anyway.
I walked around the other day checking pellets for my own ,i had 320 anglers on site and sent home 5 who clearly are cheating there own members by cheating using high oil or other pellets,don’t you all think we have enough to do walking around 100 acres of 10 lakes stopping at 320 anglers checking pellets and hooks without checking a bait limit has well ,it would take from the start of the matches too the end .
This is not having a go at you ,it is a fair remark you asked.
Just think 320 anglers stopping measuring out 2 pints /3pints whatever of meat checking hooks checking pellets .
2 mins each stop forget about the time walking from lake to lake it takes 740 minutes .
Do i need to say any more even if i have 2 staff doing it it still takes all day each
I could understand if i had done a full ban without warning and put up the price but its not true i told the open anglers in around March i was doing it what did they think and some moaned some agreed but only one angler thrown there dummy out .
Today we had 5 anglers over 100lb on beeches fishing pellet and wag or in edge the winner had packed in fishing for a year or so because he could not DO ANYTHING RIGHT,so he came here for a good days fishing in his own words he was well pleased

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

Neil g,although you do not have to explain or justify any actions or changes regarding lindholme lakes to anyone.thanks for replying to my question

[TF_James wilson]

Fair play to you Neil. I’ve only visited lindholme once and that was on the uk’s last year. Was cheap to stay over for the night before and you came out for a curry with us, even my partner loved the place.

Banning meat seems pretty sensible as the amounts I sore going in last year was shocking.

I just wish it was a little closer or I would be there a lot more.

Your fishery, your fish.

[TF_neil g]

I don’t mind replying to any post if it is sensible,but the Ians ,Trueblues and petes and some others are just stupid remarks just to cause problems

[Anonymous]

Neil, let me try to explain what I expect or would like from commercial fisheries. Then, you might understand my point of view.

At every fishery I want to see very clear and sensible rules in place which benefit the welfare of the fish and give anglers free choice within those rules. I expect to see all rules inforced in a sensible manner. That means seeing the fishery staff doing rig and bait checks as part of good customer service. Its part of what I pay my peg fee for.

If im fishing a match on any venue. I want to know that im not being cheated by some scum bag who thinks that they can do anything they want while I stay within the rules.

Im all for reasonable bait limits instead of bait bans. The exception would be high oil pellets which I believe every fishery is correct to ban because of the science behind the argument that they are unhealthy for course fish. The only way to inforce fishery rules is to have bait and rig checks.

It takes almost no extra time to have a quick check on the amount of bait each angler has before the match starts. That is, if you are inforcing your rules with rig and bait checks in the first place!

If White Acres can do bait and rig checks for 180 festival anglers over several lakes. Why carnt your fishery do it? Believe me. Every angler at White Acres is happy to be checked in those festivals except for maybe the odd angler that thought they could cheat.

If you have more anglers than you can cope with on your fishery to be able to do the bait and rig checks. Get more staff. There really is no excuse for not doing bait and rig checks when each angler is paying a peg fee. If you have rules. You should be policing those rules for the good of the anglers and your fishery!

You know my thoughts on your fishery pellets. I think fishery pellets should be sold as part of the good service your offering to the anglers. If anglers want to purchase other course carp pellets from a different retailer. It should be up to the anglers. Whats the problem? Other than it is likely to be a big sourse of income for your fishery which you might not have if you gave the anglers a free choice.

Remember, if your doing the bait and rig checks. There should be no issues over anglers attempting to use high oil pellets. So, there should be no argument over angler having a free choice over where they get there course carp pellets from. If the pellets that you sell are so great and good value for money. Whats the problem over not giving the anglers a free choice? It smells of exploitation. Lots of excuses to justify your rules. Then an unwillingness to do the work after putting the rules in place. Do the work and you lose your excuses for the bans and the freedom of choice regarding where anglers get their pellets from!

My comments are not stupid, Neil G. There is nothing personnal in my views either. I simply dont agree with bait bans or the exploitation of anglers by fisheries that only allow that fisheries own pellets. I hate fisheries which put rules in place which are not thought through properly or police. It annoys me when fishery owners attempt to justify their rules with stupid defenses that simply dont add up. Who are you trying to kid?

People will make their own conclussions on your rules and bans even if you honestly believe that you are doing things with the best intentions.

[TF_matchace]

nice one neil good responce about time you guys stood up for your selves
against these trolls

they all forget one thing YOU own the bloody place
YOU can do what the hell you like
and also charge what YOU like

tolls are like anything else in this life
YOU know you are doing ok when people like these
hide behind false names and dare not put there real name
forward computer rambos is what i call them

if every owner read and listened to every anglers moans
they would not have a buisness
look forward to seing you shortly neil
kind regards
chris moorhead

[TF_mick1830]

Lindholme is not my favourite venue but as a visitor once or twice a year is enough.the luncheon meat ban does not really effect me plenty of other fisheries have the same or similar look at the Glebe and there is probably one of the best fisheries around.What does hack me off with Lindholme is the mediocre breakfast for the price, expensive pellets,someone mentioned small cups of coffee,but more seriously the state of the road into the fishery and unfortunately the state of the platforms on BEECHES which are bordering on dangerous at best.I was there a couple of weeks ago and the place was packed = MONEY which it is what it is all about if you are not happy vote with your feet, :rolleyes: obviously from some comments you are not happy.LINDHOLME are not interested in your welfare or that of the fish just what you have in your pocket.

[TF_JohnH]

There is nothing to be gained by slagging off owners or posters. Lindholme has no doubt undergone a huge transformation under Neil’s ownership. Investment always carry’s risk, imagine god forbid a huge fish kill where does that leave Neil? Billy no mates I guess.
Is it a perfect fishery without fault? I doubt one exists anywhere.
Neil, by his own admission is not a fishery scientist, the only owner who I know is resides at Messingham Sands. There may be more.
Every owner will be aware that without good water quality you run the risk of mortalities. Too much bait going in will result in the possibility of reduced water quality, therefore bait restrictions seem to be to be the way to go. Even too much pellet makes a difference, even if you are selling them for £5 a bag this wont compensate for excessive fish loss.
I don’t fish Lindholme now, but I used to, so can understand some of the arguments and would have to say it could be a victim of its own success, lots of anglers, 7 days a week, more pegs, more platforms, more moaning, more bait going in.
The fundamental problem I have is tight pegging and not much water to go at which means the water quality doubtless suffers. The fish don’t seem to mind but its a very difficult balance for the owner to manage, its his lively hood on the line.
Respect his decision and if you don’t like it go elsewhere, I can recommend Messingham I think you might guess why.

[TF_neil g]

Well Mick another fair post.

Breakfast is £5.50 you get

2 x sausage
2xBacon (back)
2 x eggs
beans
toms
2x toasts
and a cup of coffee or tea or can of pop
Coffee small cups they are mugs only or large thermal cardboard things not polystyrene because i hate them with plastic caps with drinking spout ,not good enough !!!!.

The road in is done every month (done last mon) cannot be done if it or been raining has it is a waste of time ,so winter months does suffer.
Beeches lake all platforms do 2 weeks ago ,but not bad really with 10 lakes 560 pegs and only 1 lake been last to get done after winter .Come on lets not get into trivialities .
Pellets expensive £2.50 a bag !!

Trueblue thanks for your last post but whiteacres you have quoted have 600 Caravans all paying around £2500 yearly plus the renters plus the other incomes .Shop, cafe, pub ,chippy
and the amusement arcade i think that alone takes more then me alone ,plus i have 360 each day to check not 180 on festivals.
I hope you sit and think about your post i would guess whiteacres takes more a month then me in a year.
They can afford the extra staff,probably more staff then i have friends at the moment

[Anonymous]

As fare as I am aware. The fishery at W/As and the caravan park are run as seperate businesses. You never see the fishery staff working in the bar or cleaning out caravans. Likewise, i,ve never seen any of the bar staff cleaning out any of the lakes. The fishery and the caravan park are working in partnership but they dont share budgets or share in profit! However, im here to be shot down on those points if im wrong.

The point is that your renting out your lakes/pegs to anglers for the day. The peg fee,s that come in from the paying anglers should cover any extra members of staff if neded to do bait and rig checks and any other jobs that need doing. Think good customer service!

The fishery staff should be doing the weighing in of the fish at the end of each match as another example. Yes, i,ve been at your fishery when you have in fact done the weighing in. Thats good customer service, Neil.

If you cannot do everything yourself because you have 10 lakes full of anglers. Then, your not offering the same level of customer service to all your customers. That might be ok for most of your anglers. However, your cutting corners and letting some of your anglers down. Your also letting yourself and the fishery down for the sake of saving on the cost of employing enough staff to do all the jobs that need doing. It might mean more profit at the end of the day but is it really worth it in the long run?

If you have 10 lakes full of anglers. Thats a lot of money going though your tills. More than enough to pay for the extra staff to do the bait checks, weigh the anglers in and clean the litter ect. There is no real excuse for not doing the job correctly. Especially when your tills are full. Would it not be better to the anglers, your fishery, the fish and yourself to offer more choice and options to the anglers instead of banning baits? Its just a suggestion as it is your fishery!

[TF_arrow otterParticipant]

I’ve never been to this fishery but no a lot that have and no a lot that go every week’ the way I see it is simple, Neil owns the place and if he says meat is banned that’s the end of it he doesn’t need to explain his reasons to anyone if anyone doesn’t like it then don’t go simple as that if pellets are to expensive and he’s making loads on them fair play to him without people like him and the other fishery owners / gamblers we’d still all be sitting on the rivers and canals catching f__k all.

[TF_NoCarpPlease]

I’ve only been to lindholme the once (winter league semi a few weeks back). It’s definitely not my bag …. First commercial I’ve been on in 15 years. Frankly, I fish inner city canals that are more aesthetically pleasing.

BUT
The food in the cafe was tasty and a good size portion. Likewise the coffee.
The road was fine …. Try Sutton bonnington the soar if you prefer!
The platforms/ slabs on the new match lake were not perfect (one chap had to use a platform) but I’m used to a lot worse on the rivers that I fish.
Even with the price charged for pellets, you’re going to need max £7.50 for a match ….. Compare that to some river matches where I take a gallon of maggots! Get a life (or a job) if you really are complaining about that …. Or just drink one less pint of beer!
Notwithstanding that it was a big match, the atmosphere around the place was good, and there were plenty of smiling faces (except Barnsley 😉 ) …. Which is what fishing should be about.
I do believe that the ban is being done with the best interests of the fishery health in mind, even if it’s not based on full rigorous evidence.
There’s certainly fewer pointless rules at this place than on many …

Btw … Anyone want to buy a couple of bags of unused lindholme pellets?m Bargain at only £2 a bag 🙂

[TF_matchace]

chris moorhead iam stating my name due to the fact i am no computer troll
ok lets work out the actual cost of pellets at lindholme
these costs are only an estimated calculation
and are done to the best of my knowledge

fishery pellets £2.50 per bag
vat @ 20% =50p
fishery pellets are now £2
split pellets and re bag into fishery quantites 30p per bag
minimum wage is £6.50 thats 21 bags per hour to break even
shop space electric etc 45p
fishery baliffs to patrol 15p
in my ESTIMATION lindholme is making £1.10 per bag
thats peanuts for the effort
if anyone has a problem with that kind of margin i suggest you sell your tackle and put it on ebay and take up golf rather than having a go through abuse and false names a
that i personally think is totally un called for
do the maths for your selves its not hard rather than JUST saying its over priced
BY THE WAY WITHOUT PROFIT YOU GO BUST

[TF_matchace]

the fact remains ANGLERS have once again ABUSED
there position thinking they have given right to dictate to fishery owners
what and when they can do and cannot do

theres and old saying if you told someone a special kind of dog chit was catching
200lb of fish on every match i can bet anything you that dog will be worth millions #
and anglers would still use it smell and all

i strongly suggest in the nicest possible term that trolls be carefull
i for one do not want to loose a bloody good fishery
if you have not got the balls to put your real name up and stand up and be counted
i would say this STAY OUT OF IT
it is neils fishery and his alone no one but no one has a right to to dictate
what and when he does things

on a more pleasant note next time he fires that shotgun near me at the start of a match
and scares me half to death i will promise him to shove it somewhere else loooooooooool

[TF_neil g]

Thanks Matchace and others ,but i don’t bag them myself i used to have Dynamite bag them for me however they messed that up lovely ,quality of pellets and bagging was crap at the best .
I have used Yorkshire baits for the last 6 years, i now use the same people has all the other pellets dealers and suppliers at a lot more then me

[TF_Paddy]

Chris, i will ring him and ask him to aim more accurately! 😮 🙂 😮

[TF_matchace]

my point was neil that you dont make £2.50 profit per bag
just so the trolls on here get an idea
see you i nfew weeks neil make my bacon a little crispy this time lol

[TF_matchace]

paddy you dont change lol
now the threats off being sued are over and done with
i can start some serious threads of again
loooooooooooooooooooooooool

[Anonymous]

🙂

[TF_Paddy]

Good man, good to have you back.
Dont let em wind you up, or we will have to send Neil round with his gun!
As for thread starting, you carry on mate.

[TF_Paddy]

Well it is a fishing site Punchmeat – luncheon meat is a serious issue!
I have not fished the complex in question, are other meats allowed? Or are cat and dog meats a no no? Just wandering?

[TF_paulnewell]

IF the local cinema reduced the size of the seats by 25percent , the paying public , IMO would be rightly miffed . They don’t own it , or the seats but I feel sure they would play up and make a noise . Would someone then say , stop moaning their only trying to make a profit . leave them alone they own the place and you have no say in it ?? :rolleyes:

[TF_matchace]

hey paul newell i hear warbutons are doing a special discounts on bread this month
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[TF_neil g]

Paul i am not reducing any thing in size so your comparable is stupid.
If the local cinema stopped you having ice cream because people dribbled it on the chairs and was ruining them ,instead you had to have ice lollies this is a more comparable ,would the people complain .I think not !!!

[TF_neil g]

Funny you said that Matchace ,we only allow Warbutons bread ,or lindholmes special bake

[TF_neil g]

Little problem everyone this isa corner in my shop i have a little gap where something was ,what do i put there next to the pellets
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[Anonymous]

Matchace, who are these trolls who hide behind names which you keep referring too?

This forum is for discussing angling related issues. The meat ban at Lindholme is being discussed. Neil is not being abused and in any case. He is more than able to defend himself.

As for your maths. 10 standard tins of meat is not 10 pints. 10 tins equals approx 5. 3/4 pints of 6ml cubed meat. While 5. 3/4 pints of meat is on the excessive side of a bait allowance. A sensible 2 pint meat limit gives the angler some options while reducing the effects meat might have to the fisheries water quality and silting up issues.

As for the pellet issues. If im fishing a match on a commercial match venue such as at Lindholme. I will need at least two bags of micro,s, 4mls and 6 mls to fish the venue with any type of confidence that I have enough bait to cover a few options method wise. Thats 6 x £2.50 = £15.00. How much is profit? Let me suggest more than £5.00, matchace. Add the peg fee and we are talking at least £11.50 in clear profit for just 5 hours fishing.

£6.50 x 300 plus peg fee,s. Add the pellet profits. You do the maths. Its a very healthy hourly rate by any standards for a days work, matchace!

No issues with Neil making a healthy profit by the way. Its how its made that I have issues with.

The argument/discussion regarding fishery pellets goes back many years. Its never been just about Lindholme fisheries. Its a practice which lots of fisheries have used to gain higher profits. Neil,s defence like many others is to suggest that they are protecting their fish stocks from those anglers who want to use high oil pellets instead of healthy course carp pellets.

Its not much of a defence if you dont police the anglers by doing regular bait checks. If the fishery staff do the bait checks. Its easy to see the difference between a course carp pellet or something of a much higher oil content such as a trout pellet. Sorry, but the defence does not stand up to scrutiny. It stinks of profitering of a captive audiance of anglers who wish to use pellets on a commercial fishery.

No idea about if the banning of meat is connected with the potential higher pellet sales at the fishery. However, a reasonable meat bait limit would at least suggest that their is an attempt to find a compromise that benefits the anglers and the fishery.

Paul, Neil got your meaning and clearly understands where your coming from. If he was thinking from a match anglers perspective. He would understand why quite a few of us dislike his choice to completely ban what has been a traditionnal bait for many many years. There are reasonable alternative options open to him. Its to easier to make a few compromises and monitor the situation with a reasonable bait limits on meat. If after a while the situation did not improve. I would expect that every angler would give him his backing if it was clear that meat was wrong for that fishery. Not many experienced match anglers that dont care about the welfare of fish! 😉

[TF_paulnewell]

Even discounted Warburtons would be too expensive . Any value brand will do . Iceland Dustbins were my main source ! I got permission from the manager . Biggest haul I ever got was 23 loaves ! All still in date . Unknown to me one late evening a relief manager was in charge . I was stretching head first , reaching right to the bottom of the big bin when he shouts Oy I’ll get the effing police . My heartbeat shot through the roof but I got my prize , threw . it in the car . I couldn’t persuade him I meant no harm . What a cheap method I made my own for six years . All gone now , cleared the way for little Pete !!! :rolleyes:

[TF_GLEBE1]

@TrueBlue wrote:

As for the pellet issues. If im fishing a match on a commercial match venue such as at Lindholme. I will need at least two bags of micro,s, 4mls and 6 mls to fish the venue with any type of confidence that I have enough bait to cover a few options method wise. Thats 6 x £2.50 = £15.00. How much is profit? Let me suggest more than £5.00, matchace. Add the peg fee and we are talking at least £11.50 in clear profit for just 5 hours fishing.

Trueblue get off your high horse and pull your head out of your arse will you!
Again everything you have stated there is your own assumptions,look at what you have posted there, do you really think that a £6.50 day ticket equals 100% profit??

[TF_wightangler]

@GLEBE1 wrote:

@TrueBlue wrote:

As for the pellet issues. If im fishing a match on a commercial match venue such as at Lindholme. I will need at least two bags of micro,s, 4mls and 6 mls to fish the venue with any type of confidence that I have enough bait to cover a few options method wise. Thats 6 x £2.50 = £15.00. How much is profit? Let me suggest more than £5.00, matchace. Add the peg fee and we are talking at least £11.50 in clear profit for just 5 hours fishing.

Trueblue get off your high horse and pull your head out of your arse will you!
Again everything you have stated there is your own assumptions,look at what you have posted there, do you really think that a £6.50 day ticket equals 100% profit??

totally agree – having persistent unfounded ill-informed digs at someone who runs an incredibly popular successful professional and self-developed and run business is imo, not constructive and merely sends out a false message. The original thread was about a meat ban – with some pretty useful scientific comment added independently, now however, it seems to have been ‘turned’ an excuse to unwarrantedly knock and dictate how he runs HIS business, prices pellets and even his bloody sausages in his cafe! Sad.

[TF_neil g]

Thanks Wightangler good news is there isn’t any meat in my sausages lol

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

@neil g wrote:

Thanks Wightangler good news is there isn’t any meat in my sausages lol

Neil,can i come and fish sausages on the hook then,and feed sausage rusk inside sausage skins instead of using pva sticks.lol

[TF_neil g]

Only Lindholme Sausages got to have the little blue markers in them so i can tell they are mine

[TF_paulnewell]

The science bit regarding meat struggling to break down was good for me . This information should help to help anglers come to terms with the loss of a bait that they may really enjoy using. There will not be any matchman who would want to carry on using stuff that was harmfull in anyway .Unfortunately now this has turned away from the initial subject into something else . IMO the science bit , If offered up from the outset , might have put some grievance to bed, and prevented some anger ? Hindsight is a marvellous thing ! When the owners of commercials feel there’s a bait that might not be good , surely there are people to ring for info or should the E/A be giving this service . If a ban or a limit were to come with a qualified reason we would struggle to find an argument . In my case he said , The other anglers didn’t like what he was doing ???

[Anonymous]

Glebe1, do you ever post anything that is not insulting and generally directed towards me. Try posting something constructive to the discussion.

As for how much is profit on a peg fee. Yes, there are many potential over heads. Its not all profit. Everything that a fishery owner does including the use of his time eats in to the profits margins from any peg fee paid by an angler. I,ve never suggested that I have a problem in paying the peg fee on any fishery unless im not getting a reasonabe level of value for money.

You pay a relatiely high price to be a member of the Glebe. Its a great fishery and i,ve though about joining it as well. Would it be such good value for money to you if you only fished on those lakes once or twice each year? Would it be good value for money if what was on offer at that fishery in terms of choice was reduced? Would you still be a member of the Glebe if the costs to you went up and your options in how your able to fish those lakes where reduced? Im sure you would have to think again. Im also sure that you would be one of the first to voice your opinion if it was affecting your enjoyment or your wallet, Glebe1.

The fishery owner makes the rules. If we dont like those rules or disagree with the costs involved in fishing on that fishery because of those rules. We can always make the choice to fish on different venues. Is that what anglers really want to do? Im suggesting that there are potential compromises that can be made at Lindholme instead of a complete ban on meat. Its the same with the long standing issues over fisheries own pellets on many venues. I can only put my point of view acoss. Neil and others will make his own minds and rules up to suit themselves!

[TF_ian1980]

my arguement is that hes letting some anglers use it but not others, he states that he had 320 anglers on the bank in one day they all aint open anglers or the figures in the angling press is false about the amount on the open matches so thats still an awesome amount of meat still be going into the fishery

[Anonymous]

Ian1890, im also sure that a lot less meat goes in to some of the lakes when compared with others. A lot will depend on the stocks of fish in each lake and to some extent the available information on what baits are producing the winning weights at the time in each match. Anglers tend to follow each other like sheep when it comes to bait and the IN methods. If corn was winning a few matches. More corn would be used instead of meat as an example until another bait produced a few winning weights and so on!

How much meat is being used on each lake would be something very interesting to know. Only way of knowing is by the fishery staff checking anglers bait amounts and keeping some records.

[Anonymous]

Ffs…post removed as i aint getting involved in this load of rubbish

[TF_footplate]

So if you book a match 2 years in advance and in 18 months time Neil decides to ban a certain method you can still use it because at the time of booking it weren’t in the rules? Silly comment!

[TF_GLEBE1]

Sorry you find my posts insulting Trueblue but they can’t be any worse than having someone posting total crap about you,the way you have done with Nigel and the way he runs his successful fishery.

To answer your question, having been a member at the Glebe for best part of 15 years I’ve seen so many rule changes I wouldn’t know where to start listing them. Yes some of the rule changes and banning of methods and baits have effected my wallet, success rate and enjoyment. BUT no one has ever forced me to part with my membership money I have the choice to go elsewhere if I don’t agree with the changes.
What I have done Trueblue is accept any changes and adapted my angling to overcome them if they have effected my success, rather than moaning or telling Roy he’s not running his fishery how I like!!

[Anonymous]

Thanks for that, Glebe1. Im not sure why you think that I have posted total crap about you. No idea who Nigel is but im sure you will help to defend him if im a little critical about his fishery or his rule changes. This discussion is about meat being banned at Lindholme. Neil is more than capable of defending himself and his rules at Lindholme on this forum. Its a forum. Its a discussion and nothing more. Its differing points of view and I have one. Neil will do what he likes. He might even take some of the critical feedback on board and attempt to find some compromises that improve his already good fishery even more. He cannot please all of the people all of the time. His priority is to the welfare of his fish and his business. However, there is always room for improvment and a better experience for the paying customer!

15 years is a long time, Glebe1. Yes, there has been quite a few changes in that time on the Glebe. Im sure you have bent Roy,s ear more than once when you have not been happy with his decissions. Maybe also on the Glebe facebook page? At the end of the day. We can only voice our opinions and points of view. Then, we have to except it or move on. It does not mean that we should not have a voice and state our opinions on an open forum such as this.

[TF_GLEBE1]

For your benefit Trueblue, Edit: Neil @ Lindholme , I wasn’t defending him, like you say he can do that himself. I was merely pointing out you had posted a load of crap regarding profits on pellet/peg fees.

As for bending Roy’s ear, please read again the last sentence of my previous post.

[TF_neil g]

Footplate cannot you read ,i said i send out rules in jan feb for that years rules .Please read before posting

[Anonymous]

@GLEBE1 wrote:

For your benefit Trueblue, Edit: Neil @ Lindholme , I wasn’t defending him, like you say he can do that himself. I was merely pointing out you had posted a load of crap regarding profits on pellet/peg fees.

I was merey pointing out that I could make a massive saving by using similar course carp pellets if purchased from a different supplier. And, that the £6.50 peg fee for a days fishing is 100% profit after the cost of the fisheries investment. The peg will still be there tomorrow and so will the fish with good managment. At some point in the future Neil might sell the fishery and will hopefully get a good return on his total investment.

@GLEBE1 wrote:

As for bending Roy’s ear, please read again the last sentence of my previous post.

@GLEBE1 wrote:

What I have done Trueblue is accept any changes and adapted my angling to overcome them if they have effected my success, rather than moaning or telling Roy he’s not running his fishery how I like!!

Your one out on your own if thats the case. Maybe I should be more like you and sit on the fence saying nothing and except everything as thats just the way it is.

[TF_footplate]

Neil g I was replying to the post that was removed I’m match secretary for our club and fisheries contact me to let me know about any changes prior to our match even if I’ve had rules list in January !

[TF_neil g]

Has is said in a previous post ,some of my club matches book year in year out and i don’t have there contact numbers because i know they will turn out rain or shine .They ring me in jan say any changes for this year .Is it still £7 a peg ,bla bla bla and see you on the day .What do i do about them loyal customers .

[TF_paulnewell]

Reckon in 16 yrs, i was not loyal at least 16 times , Feeding Rudolph !!! Moving up your end soon , Would 7 loaves of mash and 1 for the hook be ok ? 😀 😀 😀

[TF_ian1980]

@paulnewell wrote:

Reckon in 16 yrs, i was not loyal at least 16 times , Feeding Rudolph !!! Moving up your end soon , Would 7 loaves of mash and 1 for the hook be ok ? 😀 😀 😀

ud end up on our fished filled rivers paul where bread works too

[TF_Tim_D]

Apparently they slaughtered it yesterday on meat LOL

[TF_ian1980]

@Tim_D wrote:

Apparently they slaughtered it yesterday on meat LOL

theyve only got 9 days left then only the club anglers whos booked it yrs ago can slaughter em on meat then 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

[TF_Lucifer]

@Tim_D wrote:

Apparently they slaughtered it yesterday on meat LOL

Highly unlikely!!

http://www.matchfishingmagazine.com/news/item/1924-competitors-drennan-knockout-2014

[TF_neil g]

Trueblu and others ,i would like you to take back your constant bombarding of me allowing a bait limit instead of a bait ban,my argument is that people will cheat (make mistakes).
Well on a Drennan cup Match the decision to do a hook and bait check was taken during the match and all anglers was told it would happen
Guess what one of my Open Matchmen and personal friend MADE A MISTAKE !! and used his sponsored bait pellets AND WAS SENT HOME.
So you want me to do bait limits and they cannot even get the pellets right .!!!!!!!!!!!!

I Told You So

[TF_matchace]

neil the fact remain’s that computer trolls
will continue to try and bombard you with bxllchxt
how many have actualy owned a premier fishery like lindholme
i know that answer JUST NONE
im my personal opinion as ive already they should mind their own business
and find other ways of catching fish
WHAT YOU DO with your own fishery is up to you
anglers are like these who hide behind false names DO NOT deserve
your time
the fact remains these computer rambos who will moan and moan have nothing better to do
crack on fella and fxxk em

[TF_ian1980]

@neil g wrote:

Trueblu and others ,i would like you to take back your constant bombarding of me allowing a bait limit instead of a bait ban,my argument is that people will cheat (make mistakes).
Well on a Drennan cup Match the decision to do a hook and bait check was taken during the match and all anglers was told it would happen
Guess what one of my Open Matchmen and personal friend MADE A MISTAKE !! and used his sponsored bait pellets AND WAS SENT HOME.
So you want me to do bait limits and they cannot even get the pellets right .!!!!!!!!!!!!

I Told You So

if he was a regular open match angler he wants shooting cos that tells me it wont have been the first time hes done it cheating his fellow competitors using a non fisheries pellet knowing from day one that u use your own pellets for your fishery

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

@neil g wrote:

Trueblu and others ,i would like you to take back your constant bombarding of me allowing a bait limit instead of a bait ban,my argument is that people will cheat (make mistakes).
Well on a Drennan cup Match the decision to do a hook and bait check was taken during the match and all anglers was told it would happen
Guess what one of my Open Matchmen and personal friend MADE A MISTAKE !! and used his sponsored bait pellets AND WAS SENT HOME.
So you want me to do bait limits and they cannot even get the pellets right .!!!!!!!!!!!!

I Told You So

neil g,people will still cheat regardless of bait limits,and/or bait bans.so a random bait check could be the only answer,if only to try and deter cheating,if no bait limit can be enforced.as bait limits are still better than bait bans in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

matchace, im not hiding behind a false name and im not a computer rambo as you put it. Neil has met me on several occations and is fully aware of who I am.

Neil, there is a big problem with your argument. Anglers will cheat (makes mistakes) if you dont do regular bait/rig checks!

If you dont do regular bait/rig checks. Whats the point in any of your rules? Some of your anglers will ignore your rules because who is going to catch them or stop them from doing what they want if you dont do the checks. Having 300+ anglers on 10 different lakes is no excuse. More anglers means more staff doing the work that you cannot do.

You discribed perfectly what i,ve been saying.

@neil g wrote:

Well on a Drennan cup Match the decision to do a hook and bait check was taken during the match and all anglers was told it would happen
Guess what one of my Open Matchmen and personal friend MADE A MISTAKE !! and used his sponsored bait pellets AND WAS SENT HOME.

As one of YOUR MATCHMEN and a personnal friend. Im guessing that he is VERY AWARE OF YOUR LONG STANDING RULES! Was it a mistake?

What it shows is that some anglers will cheat. Some will also make mistakes. The only way to stop those cheats/that make mistakes is to do regular bait and rig checks. If you dont. Anglers will continue to cheat or make mistakes. Its as simple and as cold as that!!! I,ve seen it on many many fisheries and i,ve challenged a few angler on the bank when i,ve seen them cheating/making mistakes.

If you are doing regular bait/rig checks. It does not take any more time to do a bait/rig check which includes a bait limit of cubed meat in a bait box.

A simple no tins allowed at your peg and a meat bait limit (suggestion 2 pints cubed) would make the process of checking a meat limit very simple. Any tins in bags/boxes/holdalls ect. Take them off the anglers or ask them to leave the fishery. Same with any angler found with to much cubed meat in their bait boxes. It really is that simple but it offers everybody something!

A meat bait limit gives you some advantages over banning meat altogether. 1st), your giving anglers some choice and extra options rather than a total ban. Anglers dont like bans but will live with a reasonable bait limit. Happy anglers are returning anglers! 2nd), your stopping the over use of meat that potentially could be damaging to your fish stocks. If meat is a problem to your fish. It is the over use of it that is the main problem. 3rd), your able to monitor the levels of meat going into your lakes. You dont know how much meat is being used in any of the lakes at Lindholme at the moment. How can you make an informed choice if you dont monitor the potential problem in the first place? 4th), you might catch more of the scum who are breaking your rules! 5th and finally, its great customer service if you have nothing to hide as an honest match angler!

The key thing is that you have to do regular bait/rig checks on your fishery. If you dont. You will aways have anglers who attempt to cheat. Others who make mistakes. Others who dont care and will do what they want no matter what you say in the morning about your rules. That includes using high oil pellets, cat meat and barbed hooks big enough to land the QE2. Ban them, take the offending baits.rigs off them or educate your anglers about your rules. Its the only way, Neil. Do that and a meat limit and the rest of your rules will work!

Its your fishery, Neil. You make your rules! If you dont do the bait/rig checks. The anglers will make up their own rules. Who is going to stop them? Do the bait/rig checks and a meat limit will work! Ban meat altogether but dont do the bait check and some anglers will still use meat!

Sorry if you think i,ve been bombarding you, Neil. As fare as im concerned. I,ve attempted to offer a balanced argument/point of view. Think about what im suggesting. It does make sense if you follow it to its logical conclusion!

[TF_Tim_D]

@Lucifer wrote:

@Tim_D wrote:

Apparently they slaughtered it yesterday on meat LOL

Highly unlikely!!

http://www.matchfishingmagazine.com/news/item/1924-competitors-drennan-knockout-2014

I was joking……..

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