Paste shallow has won !!

[TF_paulnewell]

A good thinking angler won last weekend ! On his own paste , shallow. The boss crocodile is already moaning ! ? 😮 😮 😮

[TF_stonecold]

O dear another sour grape thread 😀 😀

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

I used to fish the paste ultra shallow 3-6 inches deep maximum,did this nearly 5 years or more ago now.very effective on its day is shallow paste fishing.

[TF_paulnewell]

TIdelwave you will have 1st hand experience of bagging with an approach seemingly unauthadox but very effective . When a venue is over stocked to a ridiculous level . is it any wonder that ? THe method required to win may.be judged as not worthy ??? Lets hope that the smiling crocodiles and those sponsored pellet heads don’t get there own way. !!! Because if you lot had not Sussed it . They want us to fish the same as them so they take all the coin every match. When someone comes up with a radical approach they get it banned . 😡 :rolleyes: 😎 😎

[Anonymous]

If your going to attempt to use baits such as bread or paste. Expect to be a hit and run type match angler, Paul. Especially, if you skilled enough to win regularly with those types of baits/methods. The locals and the better quality anglers dont like it when anglers do something different and win more than the odd time. How can they compete against anglers who dont play by their rules? Only thing left is to get those baits/methods banned if your going to use silly baits/methods against the established norms on more than the odd occation!

[TF_paulnewell]

Silly bait silly method ??? That sounds like crocodile mentality ! Better quality anglers . How do you measure that then???

[TF_matt haines]

How on earth can you say fishing paste or bread is not a proper tactic and by using these methods you are an inferior angler! Years ago when I was a youth and was taking moorlands apart I was slated by a lot of anglers cos I was fishing corn and meat! Just to point out I also caught a lot of fish properly fishing caster shallow! Lmao! I suppose a lot of those anglers took off there rose tinted specs and followed suit! Cos meat and corn is now a proper method. Fishing is all about sorting out fish behaviour and outwitting them! If people sort out a method that works then fair play to them! As long as its within the rules and doesn’t harm the fishery! Pellet was banned back in those days! Fishing evolves we should all learn and move forward together instead of moaning and trying to get methods banned so people can’t compete! It’s hard enough as it is with weather conditions and everything else we have to deal with!

[TF_joffmiester]

fishing has changed commercial fishing changes from month to month ,we all know that anglers stick to venues close to home and why not money is hard to find .i personally dont fish commercials that much as i just cant put the time in i used to and feel unless i put time and effort you cant ring the changes quickly enough.whether its bread paste shallow or mugging where anglers are standing on there boxes all three disciplines still take a lot time to develop and fine tune if not everyone would be winning on these methods. its still down to areas and pegs but thats fishing banning methods doesnt help angling as a whole if you don’t like it move to the next commercial your point will be noticed for sure.If the same angler wins on pellets every week i’m sure you wouldn’t ban them and that goes for maggots and casters
paste shallow and bread fishing are a lot harder to master than chucking a straight bomb out with a piece of sweetcorn for five hours
just my point

[TF_arrow otterParticipant]

I say fair play to the angler for putting the time and effort in and for mastering in my opinion what is one of the hardest methods to fish and anybody who thinks otherwise go and try it and see how hard it is to get right, any idea what the venue and match winning weight was ?

[Anonymous]

Silly baits/silly methods? – Im suggesting that any bait or method that is different than the norm that wins on a venue is thought of by the regulars as being silly or unfair and so. the ban it begade lobby the fishy owner to get the bait or method banned.

Think you know what i mean by the better quality anglers without naming names. They tend to win regularly on several venues rather than the locals who turn up week in week out on only one venue and only win if they draw the fliers.

Matt Hayes, bread and paste are proper baits, mate. You have not been on this forum long enough to have read some of the stuff i,ve posted about both of those baits. On many venues you become an inferior angler if you dont fish the IN method/bait but instead come up with something new or different. The locals/regulars dont like getting beat by someone doing something different. Match fishing becomes confusing for many if they have to think past pellet meat or corn.

Joff, i think your making commercials more difficult to fish and compete on than they really are. Become very good with only a few baits and methods and you can win regularly on a lot of diffrent venues. Steve Ringer is the perfect example of this. While very good with a load of different methods and baits. When it comes to commercials. Give Steve a few tins of meat and he will be very difficult to beat on the average open match on many venues. If you win every week on any bait/method. Said angler often gets banned from the venue if the bait or method cannot be banned first!

[TF_JohnH]

I think Joff is correct TB, Methods that on the face of it seem simple very rarely are. Someone has worked out the little dodges that seem to keep fish coming when you cant.
To reinforce my point I tried paste shallow at W/A last year and for 10 minutes or so it was one a bung, then nothing, the fish seemed to just sit below the bait waiting for it to melt off the hook, I was all over the place depth wise etc but I could not keep them coming.
I think if I had persisted I would have got there with it but like most anglers time is limited. Venue experts have no such limitations and can really get things sorted leaving the rest of us as pools fodder again.
It just stikes me as very strange to see a line of guys stood on boxes swinging rigs to mug fish. if thats what it has come to I give up.

[TF_Kagger TNB]

@JohnH wrote:

I think Joff is correct TB, Methods that on the face of it seem simple very rarely are. Someone has worked out the little dodges that seem to keep fish coming when you cant.
To reinforce my point I tried paste shallow at W/A last year and for 10 minutes or so it was one a bung, then nothing, the fish seemed to just sit below the bait waiting for it to melt off the hook, I was all over the place depth wise etc but I could not keep them coming.
I think if I had persisted I would have got there with it but like most anglers time is limited. Venue experts have no such limitations and can really get things sorted leaving the rest of us as pools fodder again.
It just stikes me as very strange to see a line of guys stood on boxes swinging rigs to mug fish. if thats what it has come to I give up.

I’ve never seen this, probably because my local venue, Barford, has a 1m line limit between pole and float.

TBH the only time I want to stand up to fish is if i’m up to my nadgers in a river…

[TF_joffmiester]

@TrueBlue wrote:

Silly baits/silly methods? – Im suggesting that any bait or method that is different than the norm that wins on a venue is thought of by the regulars as being silly or unfair and so. the ban it begade lobby the fishy owner to get the bait or method banned.

Think you know what i mean by the better quality anglers without naming names. They tend to win regularly on several venues rather than the locals who turn up week in week out on only one venue and only win if they draw the fliers.

Matt Hayes, bread and paste are proper baits, mate. You have not been on this forum long enough to have read some of the stuff i,ve posted about both of those baits. On many venues you become an inferior angler if you dont fish the IN method/bait but instead come up with something new or different. The locals/regulars dont like getting beat by someone doing something different. Match fishing becomes confusing for many if they have to think past pellet meat or corn.

Joff, i think your making commercials more difficult to fish and compete on than they really are. Become very good with only a few baits and methods and you can win regularly on a lot of diffrent venues. Steve Ringer is the perfect example of this. While very good with a load of different methods and baits. When it comes to commercials. Give Steve a few tins of meat and he will be very difficult to beat on the average open match on many venues. If you win every week on any bait/method. Said angler often gets banned from the venue if the bait or method cannot be banned first!

i agree on a lot of what your saying here

[TF_joffmiester]

and i’m sure if Steve wanted to fish paste shallow he would also be very hard to beat ,plus i’m sure Steve and the other top lads that do fish a variety of different waters would all have the information of what baits and methods were working on the venue they had chosen to fish.these lads never stop talking on there phones and spend hours and hours sorting info plus you only have to see how many times they fish a week
Steve fished the drennan knockout Monday
UK championships wednesday
Saturday I’d of thought a fisho
and that without all his commitments to features and filming ,what i like about Steve is his honesty to talk about the bad days he has and the same with rob wootton that week must of cost a couple of hundred quid in pools and in robs words he had a nightmare being knockout of the drennan cup first round last in his section on the UK champs bite-less on the fisho at barford Saturday yet won Ivans match on Sunday 235LB
if that had been me that bad run would of taken 5 weeks to get over 🙁
this is nothing new when i had more time and less work commitments i fished 3 days a week on the Trent and travel all around the country and what ever venue you fished whether the nene Welland or Trent you still came up against the local angler i remember fishing the Trent when the feeder had just come out as a winning method ignore it at your own prole if you didn’t put it in your armoury you were punished and i think this is what’s happening in today’s angling on commercials i just don’t think some anglers like change i surpose its easier to ban a method that truely learn how to fish it correctly

[TF_stevied]

I see that Team Cry Baby is still active and throwing the dummy out of the pram.
To keep them happy, please use the method and bait that they have perfected so they can still collect the glory and coin. :p

[TF_paulnewell]

My method of using mashed bread was shallow and down edges and to islands as required. I added corn and cat food as it got warmer. I won loads . My bait all sank and I broke no rules. They first said the ban was for financial reasons and not personal. Then it was said the other anglers did not like it . This suggests to me that there was an unelected committee . They also made up false stories of using ten loaves. What idiot would think i would start with ten in march and finish with ten in October .!!! There is an unhealthy bunch of anglers who seem to behave like dry fly purists. SImilar to the gent that would sneer at a man snaring a salmon on bunches of worms or a prawn !! They have almost got their own way . Very few commercials are now ban free. It may not all be doomed though look at the interest in riverfest. Only problem i have now . I need a caddy to get to my peg. Any offers???? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[TF_drawnaflier]

Like I asked in the previous post why is Pauls method banned yet just as large amounts of ” SLOP ” is allowed and being used by certain regular winners ?? :confused: :confused:

[Anonymous]

at one well known venue last year,anglers were feeding 15 pints of soil(with chopped worm in it).surely thats where the ban should be.in a couple of years time it will be 6 inch deep if they carry on. :confused: :confused: :confused:

[TF_paulnewell]

The boss croc slated my method and connived with many other backward thinkers to become anti .. IN the summer months this old knurled crock wins very little .Where he won the day was to get in the mind of the new manager and the smaller crocs . You get no credit from others he said as if he was everyone’s spokesman . Dog shit method was a favourite comment. know he has got bread banned he will turn his attention to other out of the box methods but guess what??? Boss croc still ain’t winning jack shit. Just goes to prove. ! Cheats never prosper. 😀 😮 😀 😀 😀

[TF_arrow otterParticipant]

I bet all the bags of peat that are getting thrown in are doing the pools good 🙁 i always thought that was for making your gardens grow and not for fish !

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

Bait limits instead of Bait bans is always the sensible,practical solution in my own opinion.that way every angler is competing with the same quantity of bait,just different baits to suit their own method choices.this eliminates this or that ban the bait simply because i cannot,do not want to fish the method problem,or talk of excessive amounts going in.the better anglers will still win with an 8 pint limit.

[TF_paulnewell]

I could have had mans discussion along those lines . The fishery boss once said to me he had been around the complex that day . And seriously he said iam glad you are giving them all that bread some of the others ain’t feeding my fish . He always said he wouldn’t ban it because I quote used every where in the world . Then smiling croc got in his head . Someone with a grudge and convinced him it was the reason he wasn’t making loads of money .All those kilos of worms. All those pints of castors. All those bags of soil unchecked of possible impurities. ? Didnt. ..Canyone imagine these things would keep away all those competitors. ?? And nothing to do with bread . My bait bill could be as low as. £ 3. How would that hurt a potential competitor ? May it be reasonable to suspect the worst recession in history caused the lack of entries . ? I pride myself on few bans.?? How many anglers do they imagine can afford to fish midweek .??? 😮 😮 😮

[TF_joffmiester]

looks to me if your own success has been your down fall Paul i can’t see anything wrong in the way you use bread in the past and if only others took it on board i’m sure they would see just how hard it is to master .no baits are fully 100% edible to fish you only have to look at sweetcorn skins and the amount some anglers throw in .Soil another you imagine putting gravel with it in time like someone said these fisheries will be inches deep .Fish meal another in large quantities we’ve all come across pegs full of bubbles yet can’t catch and we all know its silt being kicked up from hollows where silt settles and is all the crap that fish won’t eat . i think luncheon meat is another bait that’s often banned from one place to another especially when others say he used X amount thats why he won when probably the person never went up to the angler and asked what he did or used :rolleyes: :rolleyes: .
so i think banning methods where one or anglers have made it there own is a very easy way out and understand why these anglers feel persecuted

bait limits could work but it would be a full time job and spot checks ,ive fished over in france under cips rules the stewards measure everything if you have too much soil or G/B its thrown away there and then bait is the same and believe me they go through all your rive trays on and off your box baitbag and i have heard the odd holdall gets checked 😮 😮
but thats what they do and if you have broken the rules your not told until after the competition 😮 😮 meaning you don’t leave a empty peg
if the fisheries are concerned about large quanities of bait being used why not give the angler a choice say 6 bait boxs whether its a pint or more or even less of different baits and the angler can choose 4 from the six whether its pellets in one casters,paste worms or maggots that way no one could take too much to the bank 😉 😉

[TF_arrow otterParticipant]

Just for the record I just heard he won again at it today. He’s obviously got it down to a tea.

[TF_paulnewell]

Go and give those crocs some more to moan about Ronny!!! He may try banning some of them to get the balance right !!! The ugliest croc ain’t winning jack. ! Spends all his energy whining. 😡 🙁 🙁 🙁

[Anonymous]

Am i reading this right? Some suggesting bait limits and that fishery owners/match organiser doing checks on anglers as well as everything else that they do, lol? Those fishery owners/match organisers dont get payed to check anglers bait bags. The £6 per angler (average) peg fee is for counting the money, organising a draw and collecting the scales at the end of the match. A few unlucky fishery owners/match organisers might even be pushed in to helping with the weigh-in but someones got to do it. Lets look at this a little deeper. A 30 peg average open match. £6 per peg fee. Thats £180 per match for the fishery owner/match organiser! Its a hard life sitting around once the draw is completed until the all out at the end of the match and you want the fishery owner/match organiser to do bait checks as well?

[Anonymous]

some fishery owners dont have a problem checking that you are using fishery own pellets so checkin quantities would be easy to deal with as well.

[TF_joffmiester]

@TrueBlue wrote:

Am i reading this right? Some suggesting bait limits and that fishery owners/match organiser doing checks on anglers as well as everything else that they do, lol? Those fishery owners/match organisers dont get payed to check anglers bait bags. The £6 per angler (average) peg fee is for counting the money, organising a draw and collecting the scales at the end of the match. A few unlucky fishery owners/match organisers might even be pushed in to helping with the weigh-in but someones got to do it. Lets look at this a little deeper. A 30 peg average open match. £6 per peg fee. Thats £180 per match for the fishery owner/match organiser! Its a hard life sitting around once the draw is completed until the all out at the end of the match and you want the fishery owner/match organiser to do bait checks as well?

what i’m saying is if you want to go down the bait limits route this is what would be needed and for the record in france you don’t win money just trophies and this is what they do! no one complains either
it would make a fairer playing field if thats what you wanted hance last weekend someone turned up for a match with a gallon of casters the bloke next to him had 3 pints there was only one winner

[TF_joffmiester]

by the way the better anglers would still win as they would protect there bait for the full 5 hours knowing when to feed and not and how much
say steve ringer and rob wootton had a choice to make at the draw 6 baits but could only choose 4 all baits limited to a pint or two pints that contest would still be worth watching and perhaps the only way to split them at the end would be one of them admitting they had chosen the wrong bait times that by 30 other anglers the results could a lot different 😉 😉 😉

[TF_paulnewell]

The comments are useful and constructive . The banning of baits is destructive and succeed to dim the minds of the adventurist angler . Obviously any proven problem with fish welfare must come first . My biggest objection is the statement. . The other anglers didn’t like what he was doing ??? Bad luck neither did Karl frochs opponent Kessler!!! :confused: :confused: :confused:

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