Pellet waggler rods

[MrFoxman]

I’m looking into getting a new rod for pellet waggler fishing and not sure what is the best out there or as good as. I was thinking about the drennan 11ft p/w rod to match my drennan carp combo rod and they are brilliant rods too.

Any suggestions will be great, thanks.

Matt

[TF_Johnny Mac]

If you’re on a budget then the Garbo rod’s are brilliant for the money.

[TF_mp.milo]

Milo 11ft pellet power wag rod,not sure if there in the shops yet,but worth a look,the best short wag rod i have used.Even better than my shakey 11ft and thats a very good rod.

[TF_piperpilot]

A member on the MD’s site is selling an unused shakey 11′ XT for a bargain £55. Top quality P.W Rod.

[TF_GALPS]

If money is no problem, the Daiwa Tourney Pro 12ft waggler is an awsome piece if kit bar none!

GALPS

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

Personally to get the most out of this method requires a minimum of 2 rods set up, so you might want to factor that into the equation. Don’t forget you are only ever going to need to cast to your feed, so its possible to get away with budget rods. Obviously if money isn’t an issue then ignore me.

[TF_piperpilot]

That’s why the shakey makes sense. It might be classed as a budget rod but it’s also sheer class IMO,

[TF_herbie]

diawa sr3 by a street. got 3 of them used in conjunction with tdr,s maxima 3lb line there perfect.

[TF_mjk380]

daia sr3 fantastic rod for the price

[TF_maker]

spectron M2 12ft wag, just perfect, got a lot more beef than the tourny pro 12ft which i think is more of a finesse rod.

[TF_dave brittain]

I’ve put lots of people onto the Shakespeare Mach 3 Micro and I wouldn’t use anything else. It also doubles up as a nice small river stick float rod as the tip is fine and the blank is very crisp with a parabolic action.

Although it is best suited to fish from 2-7lbs I’ve had fish to 14lbs and weights to 293lbs on mine but if you need more power take a look at the two piece Shakespeare 12ft XT.

[TF_tractorboy]

The Daiwa tourney pro 12 waggler is awesome for the pellet wag. Its expensive but awesome. Also you only need one rod if you set up to fish the pellet wag as Perry Stone does, and he is one of the best at the method.
Have a look at the article on my website.

[TF_dave brittain]

I totally disagree with the one rod comment because you need to continually ring the changes in depth and feeding to get the best from the method.

Also it isn’t unknown for anglers to get broken above the float, (often a result of catching the line on the keepnet locking mechanism or rod rest), in which case with one rod it will take you 5-10mins to set up which can make the difference between framing and being an also ran.

I set three up when I can all at different depths.

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

I am far from an expert but there is no way I would only risk one rod.

[TF_GALPS]

Daiwa Tuorney Pro 12ft will cope with carp up to late doubles no problem.

If you have never used one, it has far more power in reserve than you would ever imagine.

i have 2 set up to cope with possible brakeages but i find that unless i get broke off i just alter the depth as i go on the same rod to keep in touch with the fish.

GALPS

[TF_mart16]

would you use a tourney pro 13ft wag rod for this method,which i have,but you seam to be saying the 12ft is better suited.is this because of the shorter rod shorter cast close pegging scenario.
i’ve just bought an xrs 10’6/11’6 for the smaller venues.
do you think i’d be better off getting the 12ft tourney then to go with the tricast.

[TF_GLEBE1]

@tractorboy wrote:

The Daiwa tourney pro 12 waggler is awesome for the pellet wag. Its expensive but awesome. Also you only need one rod if you set up to fish the pellet wag as Perry Stone does, and he is one of the best at the method.
Have a look at the article on my website.

Cant find the article Andy do you have a link???

[MrFoxman]

Thanks for your comments, much appreciated.

[tommy]

hello mate, if you can get a 13 foot rod do it.. nice and powerful too. i see so many anglers using diddy 11 ft jobs…and i dnot understand why. I had my drennon 13 foot feeder rod adapted with a spliced in carbon tip.
cam handly any carp at boddington, drayton or meadowlands. I still dont see the need for little bendy rods wen sacking big carp.

[MrFoxman]

Tommy, surely a 13ft rod will be too long for chucking short distances, plus with a shorter rod you get them in quicker. Although for a place like boddingtons where you chuck to the horizon 13ft would be ideal.

I think i will go for the drennan 11-13ft to cover all situations.

[TF_NathanWatson]

Well I’ve got 2 Shakespeare Mach 3 11fts and 2 Daiwa Tournament Pro 12fts and to be honest I prefer the Shakespeare!

[TF_NathanWatson]

Well Ive got 2 Shakespeare Mach 3 11fts and 2 Daiwa Tournament 12fts and to be honest I prefer the Shakespeare’s!

[TF_proper tidal boy]

@herbie wrote:

diawa sr3 by a street. got 3 of them used in conjunction with tdr,s maxima 3lb line there perfect.

DO YOU GET ANY BITES THREE A TIME~naughty ~naughty

[TF_yorkshire]

@herbie wrote:

diawa sr3 by a street. got 3 of them used in conjunction with tdr,s maxima 3lb line there perfect.

TART

[TF_Gary]

I agree that short rods are better for short(ish) range work as it is much quicker and easier to land carp on an 11′ rod than on a 13′ rod. I think this is true for both pellet waggler and straight lead/ light method feeder work.

[TF_GALPS]

11 or 12ft rods are better if the peg you are in is either close together or that it may be overgrown with reeds / trees etc.

Also, other than big water fishing such as at drayton etc, an 11/12ft version will help you land the fish qiucker.

The 12ft tourney is just my preferance coupled with 2058TDRs and 020/0.22 main line with a perfect through action.

IMO.

GALPS.

[TF_Decaff]

Anyone know who’s stocking the New Shakey 12ft xt ?

No one got em around our way!

[TF_nick_the_2nd]

@baitchef wrote:

I am far from an expert but there is no way I would only risk one rod.

I would totally agree with what has been said to be quick and efficient in a match you need the minimum of two rods set. I sometime set up three.

If you are limited by budget it is far better to buy two cheap rods like the Shakey, than one expensive one.

I don’t think you need a overly powerful rod either, the harder you pull the carp the harder they pull back! Some of the really cheap rods like the Garbolino Knockout others rave about seem far too stiff to me.

[TF_whatsaroach]

Diawa sr3
Got to agree with Herbie not seen anything better for the price lovely to use and will handle anything
pick one up and try it.

[MrFoxman]

Why do you set up 2 or 3 rods? Is it so if the mainline snaps you can be away again in seconds? If you’re using a hooklength most of the time it will be the hooklength that snaps first surely?

[TF_whatsaroach]

All down to the way you attach the waggler and the set up used i always set 3 rods up at 3 different depths often reduced to 2 depths during the course of the match when its found where the fish want to feed. Yes you can reset a rod but while you are doing so you are not feeding and that is the most important thing in the method, If you stop feeding or reduce the frequency the fish will either move on or change depth meaning you have to find them again. Personal choice but most pellet heads who do big weights will have more than one rod set up.

[MrFoxman]

Thanks for that. I use the preston waggler adaptors. If my main line does snap i just need to slide a new one on, tie a loop and attach a hooklength, done in seconds.

[TF_whatsaroach]

I know what you are saying and i started the same way however you would be amazed how often fishing say a 10 inch length below the float a change to 14 inch will provide an instant bite and fish. The way i set my wagglers up all the shot are on three thicknesses of line which prevents any breakages when bagging this means although using only 3lb maxima big weights can be made up during a match. The only drawback is the only way to change depth is a new hooklength so 3 rods means more time fishing and feeding.

[TF_herbie]

speak/pm whatsaroach he will explain the simple way he sets up his float rigs . its truely magic and simple. i set up 3 rods because ive watched him and because he is so good i copied him. the results ive achieved since are amazing. even ptb would catch if he wasnt so mean and bought 2 more rods to go with his antique rod~shh

[TF_whatsaroach]

Cheers Herbie you coming down a week Sunday ? temps next week in double figures i recon they might be up ! Need to catch a few after all week catching those weird little silver things last week.

[TF_herbie]

yes david~clap you must ave lost a stone seeing as youve been absent without leave at breaky all week~naughty ~naughty ~naughty christ even lukey,s been

[TF_whatsaroach]

lost more than a stone with what i have been doing instead ~shh but will be there tomorrow !!!!

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

Anything can happen when fishing the waggler and chances are if you only set one rod up, sods law says it will. Especially if you are fishing towards features. The top rods at this method extract every last drop from it, and not being funny but if you want to compete with them you have to be able to fish very efficiently and sometimes aggressively. Two or more rods will deffo give you more options and will also give you a bit of insurance should you suffer any breakages. Its what you are comfortable with really.

[TF_mp.milo]

I set up 2 rods normally,one with a 12″ hooklength and another with a 2ft hooklength,both using float adaptors which slide and lock instantly,if you need a longer drop.Ill try and find a picture of them and post it up,ive only seen them on sale at Gold Valley and most of the boys there use them.

[MrFoxman]

Nice one, thanks.

[TF_dave brittain]

Dave hopefully I’ll see you at the end of April early May as i’ll be home for a couple of weeks. Will be at SM Fisho as well. Hopefully I’ll be back full time around mid June

[TF_dirkdiggler]

@MrFoxman wrote:

Thanks for that. I use the preston waggler adaptors. If my main line does snap i just need to slide a new one on, tie a loop and attach a hooklength, done in seconds.

and during that time someone with two or three rods set up will have kept up the feeding pattern caught another fish and beaten you.
i too am learning as i’m going along and it seems in match fishing it’s all these little things that add up to making a big difference,usually the difference between winning and being pools fodder~clap

[TF_tractorboy]

@dave brittain wrote:

I totally disagree with the one rod comment because you need to continually ring the changes in depth and feeding to get the best from the method.

Also it isn’t unknown for anglers to get broken above the float, (often a result of catching the line on the keepnet locking mechanism or rod rest), in which case with one rod it will take you 5-10mins to set up which can make the difference between framing and being an also ran.

I set three up when I can all at different depths.

I agree with you Dave having 2 or 3 pellet waggler rods set up is ideal to cover breakages etc, but not everyone can afford multiple rods and it is possible to change depth just as quickly as changing rods, and still having just one rod set up.
Guess that was the point I was trying to make. lol

Also just how many rods do you make up. At SM if you have 3 pellet wag rods made up, plus a wag to depth rod, plus 2 lead rods and maybe 2-4 top kits, your peg wouldn’t be big enough to house all that kit. 🙂

I guess ideally you would have all that kit set up to cover all options, but its never ending really covering all the options.
Just my opinion though. I guess you have to find a balance between being prepared without lugging 6-8 rods to your peg plus all the other gear you need.
I fish the festivals and do have 2 pellet wag rods made up, plus a wag to depth rod, plus a couple of lead rods, and I can’t move on my peg and no-one else can get past either.
Then you get called ‘tackle tart’ etc. lol

[TF_tractorboy]

@GLEBE1 wrote:

@tractorboy wrote:

The Daiwa tourney pro 12 waggler is awesome for the pellet wag. Its expensive but awesome. Also you only need one rod if you set up to fish the pellet wag as Perry Stone does, and he is one of the best at the method.
Have a look at the article on my website.

Cant find the article Andy do you have a link???

Have a look here mate:
http://www.andysangle.com/articles.php?article_id=17

[TF_herbie]

how many rods do you make up at s/m~think ~think ~think .

3 all pellet shallow. leave the lead and the 2 depth in the van. one or the other. lots of opens are won on just lead ditto for float but very few are won using both. feeding is the constant at stafford moor. also your fishing for 8lb plus carp if you have a rig that you move up and down it wont last long ask andy seery how many floats he collects per week. i have been taught by dave stockton ( whatsaroach) to tie my rigs with the shot on triple line to avoid breakages. its rigid so therefor you need to have three set at different depths and keep switching to find them. if you ask him he will show you his rig set up. ~clap

[TF_dave brittain]

Tractorboy.

My record at SM is beyond dispute as it is at Viaduct and most of the other venues I fish.

I know Stafford Moor and Viaduct better than most and when I draw my peg if I think that the PW will be my best option I will set up three rods at different depths and that will be it.

I may set up a bomb rod or the pole in addition to the PW for the first hour while I prime the PW line however in the main if I feel the PW is the right choice given the conditions I will fish it from the off.

The 13ft TP is IMOP the best float rod on the market. I haven’t seen the TP 12ft and I have no doubt that it is a very good rod.

I try not knock other manufacturers out of professional cortesy, as I have been in the game to long to even question daiwas top of the range tackle. However when you have an angler of Nathan Watsons ability stating he perfers the Shakespeare Mach 3 and anglers like myself and Neil McKinnon who swear by the rod you have to look at the bigger picture.

The 11ft Mach 3 is an unbelievable rod for the money and personally I wouldn’t swap it for any other short rod on the market as I’ve won to many matches using it.

Whether the 11ft or 12fy Shakespeare rods will be as good as the 12ft Daiwa TP I don’t know. however one thing I will guarantee is that it will give the TP more than a run for money when it comes to performance in retrospect to value for money.

To add to the above, when James Robbins originally advised me that the Mach 3 Micro was going into the shops to sell between £70 and £90 I thought it was a grave mistake and advised the rod should sell at £100+ given the crispness, action, weight and performance of the rod when compared to the opposition.

I was advised that Shakespeare’s main agenda was to re-establish their credentials as a major force within the tackle industry in addition to offering the best value for money tackle within the market.

All I can say is that the Mach 3 Micro is one of the best rods I’ve used in 30 years of angling. Price wise I don’t think there is anything to touch it and I have no doubt the 12ft will be the same.

We all have different tastes and preferences but my main prerequisite for any tackle is, “will it do the job and is it the best value for money rod for the purpose available?” It may seem biased but I would say yes as would the hundreds of people I’ve put onto the rod.

[TF_whatsaroach]

Ok boys lets be honest here, all sponsored anglers are going to support their sponsors kit and thats not being disrespectful to anyone. The only way to find out if you like a rod is to try it out that can obviously be expensive but try asking someone to try theirs for 5 mins after the match finishes most will say yes no problem. Rod choice is personal preference !
How many rods do you set up on a peg ? if you decide your main line of attack is going to be the pellet waggler I personally set up 3 the reasons being those stated above (feeding, depth change etc ) if you set up feeder rods 4 pole top kits and loads of other things you are not going to win on the pellet wag anyway because if you are going to do a big weight on it you have to fish it continuously or your feeding goes to pot ! yes some good anglers do only use one rod and yes Perry is good at it but there are alot of others as good and better and lots use 2 or 3 rods. Try it and see i think you will find 3 makes life easier and the weights higher in the long run.
Everyone has their own way of doing things all are different find what works for you i learned by asking and watching then trying things out i adapted different things and now like the way I do it but it doesn’t mean its the right way.
Hope to see you at SM in the summer Dave I will be there occasionally no doubt ~think

[TF_AKMEGAJParticipant]

Another vote for Shakespeare Mk 3 2-piece 11ft rod – I bought a pair brand new off ebay for £120! That’s the way to do it! I’m another who feels you need more than one rod when fishing pellet wag – I use 3 (but I’m no expert).

[TF_billy the squidParticipant]

Have to say, the mach3 is superb, i have the xt and as a total contradiction to what i said a while back it is awesome, not used it for the pellet wag yet, just with a normal waggler, have had a few carp up to about 6lb and it’s the nuts, however i wouldn’t disregard other brands, ie maver reactorlight, preston carbonactive, daiwa tourney, shimano beastmaster etc etc they’d all catch you just as many fish.

[TF_tractorboy]

Sorry Dave, I didn’t think I had questioned your ability nor your record.

Obviously I am not worthy of comment and I wish I hadn’t commented.

Don’t think I will again.

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