Shallow scenario

[TF_Chris-turnerParticipant]

Ok , Am in a pleasure session and I decide to fish 13 meters. Now am fishing on the deck and am getting the odd fish but bites are slow . Now what makes u decide to go shallow if your not getting indications to say there shallow, so how long would u try fishing shallow for and would u stay on ya pole line or would u go further out with the pellet waggler ……

[TF_Chris-turnerParticipant]

Come on guys am not after ya secrets just some advice lol

[TF_Fred Davis]

I notice some slight swirling then a bite on the drop by a 13lb lump signals me to go up in the water constantly feeding whilst playing and landing the carp,feeding in between slapping most carp rip out the elastric although the odd bite is lifted into, I go on to break the double ton with ease,

[TF_Chris-turnerParticipant]

Am I still fishing and firing bait out all the time while on the deck. if I don’t get the swirling after 2 to 3 hrs of firing bait in do I just pack it or keep on going , or if there feeding shallow they will be there within a 1 or 2 hrs.

Cheers for reply

[TF_Chris-turnerParticipant]

So u would feed for a full 5 hrs… But what about all the bait going in around ya

[TF_Gary]

I would say that this varies quite a lot from venue to venue. Perhaps it would be easier for you to say what venue you are fishing as there is a fair chance that someone on here will know it and hence be able to give you a more specific answer.

In general, I think that if you are going to catch more shallow than you would on the deck, you will have clear signs (eg, bites or fish in the net) within 10-15 minutes of trying a shallow rig. Be conscious that fishing ‘shallow’ can, in practice, mean anything from 5″ to 5′ deep, depending on the venue. As such, be prepared to try various depths before giving up on it completely.

One final point: foulhooking fish is often (but not always) a sign that the fish are higher up in the water than you are fishing.

[TF_Chris-turnerParticipant]

so gary u would say tht within ,lets sy the 1st hr of fishing i should know if there shallow or not

[TF_rseed]

No he is saying that they could turn up at anytime during the 5 hours whether it be within 15 mins or after 4 and a half hours. You need to keep feeding it but also keep trying the shallow line. You may get signs on your deep line which will indicate they are shallow. You have to chop and change at the depth to find them. Don’t give up because that extra fish could win you the match.

[TF_Chris-turnerParticipant]

cheers rseed i get what ya saying now .

[Anonymous]

There are 2 main reasons for the fish to be up in the water. Either the fish are up in the water already. Or, the fish have come up in the water because they are competing for feed.

As already stated. You should be able to get some indications that the fish are shallow by the odd fish on the surface where you feed. Foul hooked fish or lots of line bites.

If the fish are already swimming around shallow. Often you dont need to feed much feed to start catching regularly shallow. This is often where slapping a rig in to the water or tapping works best.

Feeding little and often and quite heavy to start with is also a very good method for getting the fish feeding up in the water. By feeding aggressively and often. You are building up the numbers of fish in your swim and making then rise as they start to compete for feed. Cutting back on your feed can then often result in the fish feeding very shallow.

In the scenario i would suggest that you have very few feeing fish in your peg. Feeding regularly to bring more fish in to your peg would be the first consideration. Once you start to get more indications or bites. Then you can decide if its a shallow day or a catch on the bottom day. Your use of feeding will then determine if you attempt to keep the fish on the deck or bring them up in the water or otherwise push the fish on to the deck.

Im an angler who does not often attempt to catch up in the water from the start. I find that i can compete and win regularly by keeping the fish on the deck. It works for me!

However, there are days when the fish just want to be feeding up in the water. Or, there are so many fish in my peg and competing that its impossible to get the best from my peg by fishing on the deck.

In these situations. I have no choice but to switch and target catching the fish shallow.

Being prepared to switch from attempting to catch on the deck to catching up in the water is based on what the fish in my peg want to do and responding with a change to a shallow rig and the way i feed.

[TF_Chris-turnerParticipant]

cheers trueblue 1st class explanation~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_JohnH]

A few other factors to consider. Depth of water in the lake you are fishing is important, the deeper the lake is the more likely you are to catch off deck. In 10 foot for instance I would be looking mainly between 18 inches and 5 foot deep. Temperature is also important as the warmer it is the more likely you will catch shallow. Finally air pressure needs to be noted high pressure usually means they will be up.
If the lake you fish is only 3 foot deep it is less likely you will catch off deck but this depends entirely on the fish and how you feed your bait.
Sometimes as well the fish want a falling bait other times static you need to feed and follow your feed with your rig, sometimes noise is important hence the slapping mentioned.
Like all methods the harder you work at it the easier it becomes.
Just one final pointer, unless you arer certain you will catch shallow start on the deck as you may ruin your peg flogging away up top if the fish dont want to be there.

[TF_Chris-turnerParticipant]

Just 1 thing now guys what size pellets would u use for feeding and what size for banding .

[TF_Chris-turnerParticipant]

bump

[Anonymous]

There is no one size of pellet that is always right. 4mls are often right with a 4ml hair rigged and banned pellet. A banned pellet if mainly expecting F1s. Although, there can also be some interesting results by using an expander on the hook or even paste. Some days a 6ml will also be better for the hook bait and even an 8ml pellet. If noise is the key to keeping the fish in your peg. Then 6mls can be better for feeding or if your struggling to feed because of a gusty wind. I have also seen 8mls being best for feed especially in late summer when the carp have been hammered up in the water by anglers feeding 4mls or 6mls. Part of angling is testing your swim with different feeding patterns and sizes of bait. The aim is to find what is best on your peg on the day. Be open minded and respond to what the fish are telling you though the way you feed and what you feed and keep asking the fish questions. Oh, and attempt to keep things simple, lol. Hope that makes sense!

[TF_Chris-turnerParticipant]

cheers guys

[TF_scarf]

I you use a banned feed pellet at Hallcroft it’ll be you that gets banned casper 🙂

[TF_Chris-turnerParticipant]

Lol went up Sunday spying on the match on tht lake, smithy.

I seen it’s there pellets mate

[pellethead76]

catchin on meat at hallcroft~sick

[TF_swingtipbry]

if youve not really fished shallow and your pleasure fishing try fishing later in the day when they switch on the feed
try 6mm 3 or 4 at a time very shallow feed about every 15 secounds

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