shattered butt sections

[TF_punchcrumb]

I recently had to have my 13m butt section repaired [ i stood on it] but i was wondering is it common for butt sections to get damaged?
I was reading a post on here that implied that a butt section could shatter when being used just by over zealous striking.
Now i know it is possible to crack a section with your elbow, and also with a size 9 boot but how common are breakages to the 13m,14m and 16 m sections?
Bearing in mind the cost of the larger sections on flagship poles would it be practical to use say a 16m butt section from a daiwa g8 on a tourney pro that is built on the same mandrel, would it alter the feel of the pole at all as presumably these larger sections remain rigid whilst fishing and i would think the weight difference would be minimal between the two sections.

[TF_Hillbilly]

Most breakages are down to the angler. A butt section can easily be “dinked” on a pole roller for instance and the damage caused could cause the pole to break on an over enthusiastic strike leading the angler to think it was a design fault. I have never had any section break that I could say was the fault of the poles design. I would think that a slight difference in overall stiffness would be felt if using a G8 butt section on a TP. This is because the carbon used in the TP is slightly stiffer than that of the G8.

[TF_punchcrumb]

i dont think in pole terms you can get stiffer than “rigid” so unless its a weight or balance difference i cant see it would be noticeable.
Maybe the butt, sections flex under pressure i dont know, but are the larger sections made from the same quality carbon fibre as the top kits for instance, food for thought maybe.
When you consider the price of the butt sections, or is it a case of paying twice as much for a “tackle tart friendly butt section.

[TF_punchcrumb]

If you do the maths from the daiwa specification on there website the butt sections for poles built on the pro mandrel appear to be as near as damit the same weight so does the quality of carbon make any difference at this end of a long pole?

[TF_punchcrumb]

Come on you pole experts lets have a heated debate lol.

[TF_Hillbilly]

Yes it does. The higher quality carbon produces a stiffer section. Bear in mind that if a 16 metre section made from a cheaper carbon bends just half a millimeter more than the more expensive one under the full weight of the assembled pole it will be very noticable at the thin end of the pole in terms of extra droop.

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

I struck at a bite and felt a crack at the end of my 13 m section two weeks ago Ive had a good look for the crack at home, had a really good squeeze around and I cant find the crack ! Im wondering if the sound of the crack was something in my box when I moved Because I cant find the bugger how do you mend something you cant find ?

[TF_wightangler]

cover or put a expanda bung or cap over open end and gently poor water over section, check for water inside butt, then repeat and rotate section.

[TF_punchcrumb]

how about fill section with water sealed at one end and look for seapage that way !

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@Hillbilly wrote:

Yes it does. The higher quality carbon produces a stiffer section. Bear in mind that if a 16 metre section made from a cheaper carbon bends just half a millimeter more than the more expensive one under the full weight of the assembled pole it will be very noticable at the thin end of the pole in terms of extra droop.

So in effect shovinga map lumphammer section up the back that is obviously much inferior carbon would llok like you were using a banana for a but section

~hand ~clap ~clap ~naughty ~shh ~sick ~think

[TF_punchcrumb]

@punchcrumb wrote:

@Hillbilly wrote:

Yes it does. The higher quality carbon produces a stiffer section. Bear in mind that if a 16 metre section made from a cheaper carbon bends just half a millimeter more than the more expensive one under the full weight of the assembled pole it will be very noticable at the thin end of the pole in terms of extra droop.

So in effect shovinga map lumphammer section up the back that is obviously much inferior carbon would llok like you were using a banana for a but section

~hand ~clap ~clap ~naughty ~shh ~sick ~think

Sorry Hillbilly i am not convinced the generic butt sections that daiwa sell are not priced at£400 plus pounds and are touted as being suitable for fishing at 17.5 and 19 meters.
Bearing in mind that fishing at these extreme lengths must put enormous strain on the butt sections, i doubt wether daiwa use the highest grade carbon on these sections.
Maybe someone can clear up this quandry.
This would make an excelent article for the pole fishing monthly with some practical experiments to prove one way or another.
The problem is they rely on advertising revenue and the manufacturers dont like anything that shows there products for what they are ,hence the return of the droop test in pole fishing mag was very short lived.

[TF_Hillbilly]

There is only one way to find out for sure. Put two identical poles up at the same time with the original and cheaper sections and measure the droop.

[TF_punchcrumb]

Spot on Hillbilly will try and arrange a test

[TF_craigo]

@Anthonywaters wrote:

I struck at a bite and felt a crack at the end of my 13 m section two weeks ago Ive had a good look for the crack at home, had a really good squeeze around and I cant find the crack ! Im wondering if the sound of the crack was something in my box when I moved Because I cant find the bugger how do you mend something you cant find ?

Sometimes get a small crack on the inside of the section – also butt section are often made of layers of carbon and I reckon the cracking might be the layers separating slightly as the section flexes.

I’ve heard mine crack a couple of times over the years but none of em have popped on me

[TF_punchcrumb]

@punchcrumb wrote:

Spot on Hillbilly will try and arrange a test

Anybody out ther own a ?tournament pro and a g8 willing to set this up and make the comparison?

[TF_punchcrumb]

btt

[TF_lowtherman]

Had my Airity cracking/clicking on the 12.7M butt section on strike for 6 months & ignored it as i couldn’t see or feel anything, eventually it split about 12″ up from female end ~sick ~sick
Daiwa did swop it thou~clap

[TF_fourcanals]

interesting this, When we were waggler fishing on the trent with ashurst 13 foot rods we used to put a plug of lead strip in the back of the butt section. sounds daft but the balance was noticable. My point is that if the pole is heavier behind the fulcrum point it will exert an upward force Dont think for one minute that this theory will work on the butt of the pole what do you think guys

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@fourcanals wrote:

interesting this, When we were waggler fishing on the trent with ashurst 13 foot rods we used to put a plug of lead strip in the back of the butt section. sounds daft but the balance was noticable. My point is that if the pole is heavier behind the fulcrum point it will exert an upward force Dont think for one minute that this theory will work on the butt of the pole what do you think guys

In theory yes but (excuse the pun) your leg will probably lose its circulation due to all the weight resting across it lol

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