sponsered anglers

[TF_JonniTimms]

how many times have you read “although i am sponsered by xxx i wouldnt use any of their products if it wasnt good enough”

i read it once again the other day, and it made me think just how much choice a sponsered angler REALLY has as to the tackle they are using?

do the companies put a leash round their neck and make them use their stuff, and then say its their own choice? or do they REALLY choose to use it?

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

If they are genuine anglers,they will use their sponsors gear freely and happily.
its when they are sponsored by one manufacturer,and you see them on the bank using something else,that you have questions.

[TF_MarkT]

I would of thought that they would have to use the gear from the sponsor or it void the “contract” they have with them.

If your exclusively sponsored by maver then you wouldn’t be able to use a shimano pole.

[TF_Mick Fordham]

Jonni,

There are so many different types of sponsorship out there (even with the big tackle company’s).

Some will want you to use as many of the products they produce as possible (and why not that is why they sponsor the angler after all, to get exposure and feed-back). Most will off-course want you to use the biger items from them i.e. Poles, Rods etc

Other sponsorship deals will be lesser and as such may not require the above.

I guess you are on about the top sponsorship deals, where the company puts a lot into the anglers (off-course in this day and age any sponsorship deal can be good to receive). With these deals the company would off-course expect the angler to promote their tackle and the angler would also be expected to say how they can improve any of the products.

If the angler is not happy using the products freely (as Tidalwave has said) then there off-course should be a few eyebrows raised.

Another reason for using other peoples tackle would off-course be if the company they are sponsored by just do not make such items.

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

Neil Mckinnon Excellent angler fishes with a Tournament Airity ?

[billy the squid s.t.aParticipant]

Also what about rob wootton, does well wherever he goes, but i never, and noeone i know EVER buys middy stuff, let alone iv never even seen a middy pole??

[Anonymous]

The thing that is being missed here is that most sponsored anglers still pay for almost all of there gear. At a heavily discounted price. However, it still costs a lot of money to replace all your tackle with a sponsors products. There are very few fully sponsored anglers. Maybe 20-30 in the whole country. The rest are only helped if they pay and so they have a choice as to what they use.

[billy the squid s.t.aParticipant]

Sound, cheers, i’ll take that as a massive the stars get what they want then !! I’m sponsored by ABU, using the g10 with silstar line and b911’s and 12 dynamite pellets every half a min using the hydropult!!

[Giles1Participant]

I think some anglers take liberties when it comes to sponsorship. Yeah I accept that we all have a duty to our sponsors but if the product is crap and you dont use it, then you should nt be promoting it. Far too much of the gimmickery is causing confusion when anglers believe some articles in magazines. Where sponsored anglers are using other brands, I see no problem if their sponsor does not have a pole, for example in that category. However, a few years ago there were a lot of people promoting a certain pole elastic in features, saying it was the best laccy ever. In fact that particular elastic was different to what people could buy off the shelf in tackle shops… it was much thinner. I think that if anglers are saying it is that good then surely they should be using the same themselves. Or do people think that is perfectly acceptable?

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

If sponsored anglers from one company are using another companies tackle,surely the blame should go to the sponsor for allowing it to a point.but also the angler in question should know better,especially if he is using his sponsors tackle in magazine features and blatant selling plugs,and then using another brand on the bank,which probably happens an awful lot.

[Anonymous]

I know a fella that just emails tackle companies just asking for sponsorship and he gets it!!!. He has about four at the moment. Thing is he’s never on the bank.?

[TF_gis9]

what elastic was that then Giles1?

[TF_markm]

hydro apparently

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

There was varying grades of thickness with both white and black hydro.not sure about the other colours

[TF_rocketFeeder]

Tell you what hacks me off, sponsored anglers in the mags who state things like ‘Today I fished a waggler rod, this is the best rod… blah blah’ only for the accompanying pictures from the day (not a stock photo) to show them clearly using a different manufacturers rod from the one they are promoting ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty Either the sponsored angler or the mags must think we are born stupid – I actually find it quite insulting.

[London Wasp]

As a full sponsorship/consultancy role is very hard to come by, paticulaly in the current ecconomic climate. I cannot imagine that any sponsored angler would have taken that sponsorship if they were not entirely believing in the product. It has already been mentioned this is very much a two way street. The feedback from consultants in the ‘field’ is invaluable to the company to test and evaluate it’s next generation of product.I have 100% faith in my sponsors products and where improvements can be made these are suggested. If I did not have this belief then personaly I would not have taken on the opportunity to use and help develope the products. We all have the choice, but as Giles mentioned if your sponsor does not manufacture say a box system, then there would be no conflict of interest to use a box of your choice. But if they did and you chose not to use it then surely you should not have accepted a deal in the first place. Remembering that individual deals are very different to team deals. I am very thankful for my sponsors they help take my whole fishing experience to a new level.
Jonny Watt.

[TF_Gary]

What if…. your sponsor does not have a product in a certain space (eg, a seat box) so you get used to using one of your choice. Then, your sponsor rushes out a new box and it is crap, but they try to make you use it anyway?

I know of this happening to a certain angler, who was frequently in trouble with his sponsor for refusing to use their new product because he thought it was garbage!

[TF_macky1]

Gary

isnt it the sponsered anglers job to improve on that crap product?

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

@macky1 wrote:

Gary

isnt it the sponsered anglers job to improve on that crap product?

MACKY1,fishing consultants sometimes have little or no say in product developement from scratch.they just get readymade samples and prototypes to test out.and then give advice.so most sponsored anglers normally only give feedback on the completed product.
if you are a just sponsored angler,you normally just get the finished product.

[TF_Gavin]

@rocketFeeder wrote:

Tell you what hacks me off, sponsored anglers in the mags who state things like ‘Today I fished a waggler rod, this is the best rod… blah blah’ only for the accompanying pictures from the day (not a stock photo) to show them clearly using a different manufacturers rod from the one they are promoting ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty Either the sponsored angler or the mags must think we are born stupid – I actually find it quite insulting.

Agreed, it really gets my goat that!

[himoverthereParticipant]

Makes me wonder if its worth it some times. Just look at avanti on md’s. always banging on about their stuff being good when most people know its cheap tat in a lot of cases. lets not forget about the service he has to defend. Am sure there are good parts but there are down sides too.

Not that i know much i have not got or ever have a chance of a sponsor being rubbish…..

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

What is also bad about sponsored anglers who just do blatant plugs for tackle they may not even use,is that no everyone is a clued up match,or pleasure angler.there are a lot of beginners,and young anglers in particular,who might read the articles and buy something because x angler is raving about it,and how it catches more fish.and then find out that he has wasted his possibly limited funds on a piece of junk,when it could have been spend on more practical things to really improve his catches.

unfortunately in most things in lfe,greed overtakes morals.~naughty

[GRANTParticipant]

IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA IF YOU MENTION THE ANGLERS WHO HACK YOU OFF,AS THERE MIGHT BE A GOOD REASON WHY THERE USING OTHER PRODUCTS TO THE ONES THAT YOU THINK THEY “SHOULD” BE USING ACCORDING TO YOU..WHAT WORRIES ME IS THAT YOU CANT EVEN SPELL “SPONSORED” SO IF I WAS YOU I WOULD WORRY MORE ABOUT YOUR SPELLING THAN WORRYING ABOUT WHAT “SPONSORED” ANGLERS ARE USING THERES MORE TO LIFE.. OR AT LEAST GET ONE~hand

[TF_rocketFeeder]

@GRANT wrote:

IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA IF YOU MENTION THE ANGLERS WHO HACK YOU OFF,AS THERE MIGHT BE A GOOD REASON WHY THERE USING OTHER PRODUCTS TO THE ONES THAT YOU THINK THEY “SHOULD” BE USING ACCORDING TO YOU..WHAT WORRIES ME IS THAT YOU CANT EVEN SPELL “SPONSORED” SO IF I WAS YOU I WOULD WORRY MORE ABOUT YOUR SPELLING THAN WORRYING ABOUT WHAT “SPONSORED” ANGLERS ARE USING THERES MORE TO LIFE.. OR AT LEAST GET ONE~hand

Seeing as you mention the term ‘hack you off’ I take it you are referring to my post?????
Do you think it is acceptable that an angler states ‘Today I used such and such a rod…’ when the accompanying photos clearly show a different rod being used? I don’t – its lying to the readers, some of which will not pickup on the fact that a different product is being used and potentially waste their hard earned buying something not up to the job ~naughty ~naughty

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

It might be my posts that have caused the rumpus.
?.
i have watched videos where anglers are clearly using different tackle to what they say they are using.even when the film shows otherwise.
so why do it.?

[GRANTParticipant]

LIKE I SAID THERE MIGHT BE A VERY GOOD REASON,AND AS YOU STILL HAVNT NAMED ANYONE HOW CAN THEY EXPLAIN THERE REASON THATS IF THERE IS ONE, ANYWAY HOWS YOUR “SPELLING” (SPONSORED)NOT (sponsered), LISTEN I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY IT BOTHERS YOU THAT MUCH JUST BECAUSE AN ANGLER IS USING A PARTICULAR ROD BUT HE’S SPONSORED BUY ANOTHER COMPANY DOESNT MEAN YOU HAVE TO GO AND BUY THAT ROD ITS YOUR MONEY AND YOUR CHOICE, THERES LOADS OF TACKLE SHOPS THAT YOU CAN PICK UP LOADS OF DIFFERENT ONES AND CHOOSE THE RIGHT ONE FOR YOU, WHATS RIGHT FOR YOU ISNT RIGHT FOR SOMEONE ELSE, AS I SAID ATLEAST GIVE THE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO TRY AN EXPLAIN BEFORE YOU SLAG THE SPONSORED ANGLERS OFF,ANGLERS ARE IN MAGAZINES TO HELP PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF I WOULDNT THINK FOR ONE MINUTE THET WOULD LIE, I MYSELF DONT AGREE WITH THAT JUST TO GET SALES ~hand

[Anonymous]

~naughty ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty
Like a bunch of kids

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

Naming and shaming is a dangerous game,wether it’s cheating in matches,or plugging gear they dont actually use themselves.so it is a double edged sword.you tell the truth about others and get strung up by their fanclub,or say nothing and they accept it as permission to lie.

also remember as i said before,not every anglersis clued up,and a lot of beginners and youngsters may look up to some anglers as heroes and role models,and therefore take every word as gospel and buy tackle based around that fact.
so who wins.~think

[Anonymous]

If you don’t like what you read don,t read it !!!

[GRANTParticipant]

IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT YOU READ DONT READ IT,…BIT LATE WHEN YOUVE ALREADY READ IT…OK ENOUGH SAID

[Anonymous]

AHH BLESS SOME ONE UPSET~naughty

[TF_MarkT]

@GRANT wrote:

LIKE I SAID THERE MIGHT BE A VERY GOOD REASON,AND AS YOU STILL HAVNT NAMED ANYONE HOW CAN THEY EXPLAIN THERE REASON THATS IF THERE IS ONE, ANYWAY HOWS YOUR “SPELLING” (SPONSORED)NOT (sponsered), LISTEN I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY IT BOTHERS YOU THAT MUCH JUST BECAUSE AN ANGLER IS USING A PARTICULAR ROD BUT HE’S SPONSORED BUY ANOTHER COMPANY DOESNT MEAN YOU HAVE TO GO AND BUY THAT ROD ITS YOUR MONEY AND YOUR CHOICE, THERES LOADS OF TACKLE SHOPS THAT YOU CAN PICK UP LOADS OF DIFFERENT ONES AND CHOOSE THE RIGHT ONE FOR YOU, WHATS RIGHT FOR YOU ISNT RIGHT FOR SOMEONE ELSE, AS I SAID ATLEAST GIVE THE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO TRY AN EXPLAIN BEFORE YOU SLAG THE SPONSORED ANGLERS OFF,ANGLERS ARE IN MAGAZINES TO HELP PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF I WOULDNT THINK FOR ONE MINUTE THET WOULD LIE, I MYSELF DONT AGREE WITH THAT JUST TO GET SALES ~hand

Maybe you should worry about your own spelling.

[Anonymous]

~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

Grant,please turn your caps lock off on your keyboard.

[GRANTParticipant]

WELL DONE FOR SPOTTING MY MISTAKE,388 POSTS COOL WERE DO TEAM GIMP FISH SORRY (GONK)

[TF_rocketFeeder]

@GRANT wrote:

LIKE I SAID THERE MIGHT BE A VERY GOOD REASON,AND AS YOU STILL HAVNT NAMED ANYONE HOW CAN THEY EXPLAIN THERE REASON THATS IF THERE IS ONE, ANYWAY HOWS YOUR “SPELLING” (SPONSORED)NOT (sponsered), LISTEN I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY IT BOTHERS YOU THAT MUCH JUST BECAUSE AN ANGLER IS USING A PARTICULAR ROD BUT HE’S SPONSORED BUY ANOTHER COMPANY DOESNT MEAN YOU HAVE TO GO AND BUY THAT ROD ITS YOUR MONEY AND YOUR CHOICE, THERES LOADS OF TACKLE SHOPS THAT YOU CAN PICK UP LOADS OF DIFFERENT ONES AND CHOOSE THE RIGHT ONE FOR YOU, WHATS RIGHT FOR YOU ISNT RIGHT FOR SOMEONE ELSE, AS I SAID ATLEAST GIVE THE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO TRY AN EXPLAIN BEFORE YOU SLAG THE SPONSORED ANGLERS OFF,ANGLERS ARE IN MAGAZINES TO HELP PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF I WOULDNT THINK FOR ONE MINUTE THET WOULD LIE, I MYSELF DONT AGREE WITH THAT JUST TO GET SALES ~hand

So an angler stating ‘Today I used, etc’ when they clearly haven’t isn’t telling lies ~think By the way, my spelling is fine thanks.

[TF_MarkT]

Grant are you a sponsored angler? I’m only asking because you seem to have taken the thread personal.

[GRANTParticipant]

its clear to me that your not listening “there might be a reason” ive only been on here for 2days and thats enough for me sorry to say i’ll not be back “tight lines”sorry we dont see eye to eye

[GRANTParticipant]

hi trav, yes i am but the fact of the matter is and all im trying to say is that theres probably an explanation thats all, me as a sponsored angler are there to help and give good advice but people are to quick to put us down and slag us off at the first chance they get,theres no need for it, i came on here to give help and advice but i can now see why there arnt more sponsored anglers on here

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

Whats this some kind of advertisement feature for Total Fishing ?

[TF_MarkT]

@GRANT wrote:

hi trav, yes i am but the fact of the matter is and all im trying to say is that theres probably an explanation thats all, me as a sponsored angler are there to help and give good advice but people are to quick to put us down and slag us off at the first chance they get,theres no need for it, i came on here to give help and advice but i can now see why there arnt more sponsored anglers on here

Personally mate i can’t ever say i’ve seen a sponsored angler doing any of the things that has been said in the thread and like you said it’s upto the individual to go out and buy something.

I think it’s a good thing that sponsored anglers likes yourself come on here, it’s good for the site and also for other members. It is well note’d that big names don’t come on forums for that reason but i hope you stick around, people like yourself will only make it better. Hope to speak in the future mate.

[TF_Gary]

@macky1 wrote:

Gary

isnt it the sponsered anglers job to improve on that crap product?

macky1, yes, in some cases it certainly is, particularly if they are ‘consultants’ for the company, rather than just a ‘sponsored angler’. However, if the product is launched whilst it is still in a development phase and a sponsor is trying to make their angler use a sub-standard product to try and help boost sales, then it perhaps says something for the moral fibre of the angler in question that they are prepared to use an alternative product?

[TF_Simon P]

Who cares what Joe Bloggs is using??….

Think all this cold weather is getting to people….

Not enough angling too many bored minds!!!! lol

[deano1Participant]

Sponsored angler or not Grant i don`t think you have done yourself any favours with some of your post`s regarding SPELLING when you clearly made mistakes yourself……….

Take a leaf out carpmagics book,can`t ever recall steve falling out with anyone on here ~think ~think ~think

Close the door behind you i say !!!!

[RichW]

Sponsored angler or not Grant i don`t think you have done yourself any favours with some of your post`s regarding SPELLING when you clearly made mistakes yourself……….

Take a leaf out carpmagics book,can`t ever recall steve falling out with anyone on here

Close the door behind you i say !!!!

Deano

That should be I not i~clap ~clap

[GRANTParticipant]

deano1 dont know where youve bin for the last couple of days but theres 3 pages of this subject missing i havnt bin rude to you but you choose to be rude to me, ive done my oppologies already, so dont tell me to shut the door behind me (sorry, cant be saying that – End removed).

If anyone wants to carry on the name calling and childish behaviour, keep it to your selves and use the pm or text, or better still – take it some where else entirely.

modded.

[TF_kev34]

Wow Handbags ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty

CABIN FEVER

[TF_Paddy]

If it carries on, i will lock it out.

[TF_Johnny Mac]

Grant, I think you’ve apologised enough….
People should move on now!!!

[TF_toro]

well said grant~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

I personally hate posts that get locked due to them turning it to slagging matches.
but what i hate more than anything is when threads are partially removed,with bits missing here and there.and only half the story being told.always looks a bit one sided in my opinion~naughty .edit the posts to make them acceptable,or delete the whole thread altogether by all means.
but make it fair for all parties to read all posts.~think

[TF_Staff Bull]

Johnny Mac wrote:

Grant, I think you’ve apologised enough….
People should move on now!!!

Well said Johnny Mac~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_Paddy]

One word was removed, i’m sure that any profanity could be added to finish it off. Generally, only the offensive words get deleted – sorry if this upsets you, but it is better than either locking out the thread, or removing the single post. Them’s the gaffers rules mate!!

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

i am not impressed to say the least.so i am off to join those who left for other sites and never looked back~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

Thank you for your feedback.

[TF_Johnny Mac]

Gary, you should change your user name to Boomerang

🙂

[TF_MarkT]

I think a line needs to be drawn under it now, everyones said there piece so lets move on.

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

Not taking sides, but does anyone else think it’s a shame if another top match angler has bene put off passing on his advice on this forum….

[TF_shep2]

yep~hand

[TF_Johnny Mac]

YES!!! It’s a shame that any angler is put off because they get berated for their post’s.

We should be encouraging top anglers, I know how much they enjoy helping people.

[TF_MarkT]

Having people like Grant on here will only improve the site, plus it great from us lesser anglers.

[TF_Paddy]

It’s great and a priviledge to have them giving there advise and opinions. The place is weaker for not having the likes of Keefy and Granty. i hope that both come back soon.

[TF_shep2]

ditto trav 849 its ok all these anglers who know what there doing upsetting him but us who are pants need all the help we can get~sick

[TF_stevieskin]

It is a shame when an angler of his capabilities feels the need to stop taking part. Its a loss to the forum.

[TF_Staff Bull]

@Geepster (moderator) wrote:

Not taking sides, but does anyone else think it’s a shame if another top match angler has bene put off passing on his advice on this forum….

Without a shadow of doubt Grant would have given his advice to anyone on here. Will be a BIG loss if he dont post again and i for one hope he comes back on.

[TF_gotgaz]

grants up there with the best commi anglers in the country what he dosent know about meat fishing isnt worth knowing so well done lads thats another one you have pi$$ed off ~naughty

[TF_cheffieVRSParticipant]

Grant is a properly nice bloke! Sat with me at tunnel not so long ago, and for some time as well!
He is funny bloke. Top angler. It will be a shame if he does not post anymore!!!!

[TF_dave brittain]

Unfortunately not many anglers understand the pitfalls of sponsorship or what is often involved.

First of all there are sponsorship deals and there are sponsorship deals.

Most people secure sponsorship through team deals and the general basis is a few freebies such as luggage or clothing and possibly a free rod or two if it is a good arrangement however everything else will be at trade price + VAT.

Some anglers will get a percentage of tackle FOC but they will be expected to use and actively promote it for their respective company. This will include PR such as magazine articles, tackle shows, testing and feedback of new products/prototypes etc.

There are very few anglers who get tackle free and receive a retainer or consultancy fee by a company for their services. These as far as I am aware are the only anglers who will be bound by any type of contract as the above sponsorship deals are all taken on good faith.

Now going back to the team anglers, if they have been given clothing and luggage they are actively promoting their sponsor. They may only use a few of the company’s products but anglers become aware of the sponsor’s name by association.

If the said angler gets a result in the papers or an article in a magazine the angler will be associated with that tackle company regardless of whether he uses their tackle or not. If his sponsor only provides free clothing and luggage, (some don’t give any free tackle), is there any reason why the angler should sell his own tackle at a loss and go out and buy the latest range of that companies tackle, which could very well be inferior to the tackle he was previously using?

If the company provides the tackle FOC that is a different ball game but as I said there are sponsorship deals and sponsorship deals.

Going onto the magazine articles you need to bear in mind that some photos taken may be old photographs submitted to bulk up an article especially if it isn’t a live shoot. It can often take several months for an article to be published following submission as magazines are meticulously planned, often months in advance to allow for advertisers and features, (think of the winter articles of a guy in a T-shirt on a sunny day).

As for sponsored anglers using other tackle as Grant has said there is often a very good reason. When I joined Shakespeare for instance I was advised that I could use other equipment providing that the company didn’t have an equivalent product. Somebody mentioned Neil McKinnon using a Tournament pole and this is a good example. The reason why Neil uses the Tournament is simply because Shakespeare does not produce a top flight pole. The Superteam Competition is a very good pole but it is a mid range pole and that is how it was designed and marketed. It is not as stiff, light or strong as the Tournament and for that reason he can use which ever top of the range pole he wants.

I have a MAP Parabolix STI 12/13 Power Feeder rod which I still use occasionally, however until the Shakespeare 12/14 Superteam Distance Feeder and the 14 ft Superteam Med/Heavy Feeder was released earlier this year Shakespeare didn’t have a comparable product.

On the Wye if I have to fish long on the pole to hand or a very snaggy peg I have two Browning Black Magic’s which I’ll use in preference to my Superteam Whips as they allow me to fish 2m’s further out and that can make all the difference in framing and not framing. Although the majority of the tackle I use is Shakespeare, there are times such as those stated above where you have to use other tackle for one reason or another.

Although some anglers may plug products they don’t use, the majority of good sponsored anglers are pretty straight up and if they do use something from another tackle company there is usually a good reason. It’s just a pity that some anglers don’t ask before criticizing.

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

Well whichever of you on here has led to Grant throwing in the towel THINK ON!! This forum is there for the purpose of picking up information about fishing and meeting people. People like Grant are invaluable as they have been there, done it against the top match anglers in the country and everyone on here can learn a lot from the likes of him. I’ve met Grant face to face many times and always found him very easy to get on with, so why when he comes on here does he last two days and give up? The list of good people lost because they got berated on here was too long already, and the site needs to attract top anglers, not turn them away. You don’t have to agree with top anglers all the time, but show them the respect they have earned in the fishing world just as you would expect respect in the arena you work in.

[TF_rocketFeeder]

Brilliant post by Dave Brittain ~clap ~clap

@dave brittain wrote:

If the said angler gets a result in the papers or an article in a magazine the angler will be associated with that tackle company regardless of whether he uses their tackle or not. If his sponsor only provides free clothing and luggage, (some don’t give any free tackle), is there any reason why the angler should sell his own tackle at a loss and go out and buy the latest range of that companies tackle, which could very well be inferior to the tackle he was previously using?

No – at least I wouldn’t.

@dave brittain wrote:

Going onto the magazine articles you need to bear in mind that some photos taken may be old photographs submitted to bulk up an article especially if it isn’t a live shoot. It can often take several months for an article to be published following submission as magazines are meticulously planned, often months in advance to allow for advertisers and features, (think of the winter articles of a guy in a T-shirt on a sunny day).

I think this is where the frustration from a lot of anglers comes from, it’s when an article is produced, i.e. a live match situation where the angler is quoted as saying they’ve used such and such a product when the accompanying pictures clearly show a different product being used. If there is a perfectly logical explanation for promoting a product but using a different one then it should be part of the article or at least have an explanation somewhere.

[TF_mystery carper]

Hi Granty. I bet you are still following this.
All i can say is,nice grand entrance mate. But dont leave it there. Stick around and educate us,some of who are ignorant,some are plain pig headed and some who need sensible advice from a man of experience.
We all blow our tops at times,and i for one wont judge you on defending your cause.
We all have our critics,but i say soldier on and win the war by letting it go over your head. There are more that can be won around by sound advice,even if it takes them a season.
From what i see,you have the time to sit on the banks and educate.
So,i say,dont be put off by a few that have their reasons for slating. Just try to educate them and if you cant,then all is not lost,as you will educate those that want to listen and want to learn more from someone who puts fish on the bank and has earned a place high up.

Dont be a flash in the pan. Please stick around and understand there will always be a few who will want their say. We get that in whatever we do or wherever we go.
Water off a ducks back mate. Hope to see some top class advice from you in the future. Please dont punish the worthy.

[Anonymous]

Geepster, i think the problem was that GRANT dived in head first with an attack at those who where having a go at sponsored anglers in general. It was his first post on the forum. I guess Grant took the thread personally and thats why he attacked as he did. I dont think many realised who GRANT was or the pedigree this angler has. Im sure many would like to see GRANT back on this forum in the future. I know he has loads of good advice to give if he was hoping to help other anglers. He might even learn something from me if im in the mood to give some of my secretes away.

dave brittain answered the question fully and not many can argue with his answers. Maybe GRANT will read dave,s post and his own again and realise that he could have explained how sponsorship works as dave eventually did. dave,s very eloquent in the way that he posts. Even i struggle to argue against what dave has to say. However, im sure that GRANT could have got his argument across in his own words without anybody getting upset or angry. GRANT would have been given loads of credit for that type of response.

[TF_stevieskin]

Note to Moderators:

Why has my post been modified?
And, as usual, without the common decency of a pm to explain the biased action.

I only pointed out that , because of the attitudes of a minority on here, Grant Albutt has now agreed to do a live question and answer spot on mfs. That is a loss to this forum and a gain for that one, once again caused by lack of common respect by a minority.

This policy of deleting references to another forum will not make it go away, as was discussed by some in another recent thread on this site, the reason people dont post here is the fault of some members this forum, not any others.

[Peter1984]

Dave I think you have excelled yourself yet again with a quality answer!

Can only echo those statements.

[Mattie73]

Wow !!! Politics. A different view is that these types of posts keep people coming back. The debates like we have in the pub where people take opposing views – often – to just wind others up. Jealously comes into. But ain t it great when your pegged next to a sponsored angler and beat them???? Its great to be British and great to care!!!

My view for what is worth – is trying to learn something from every article, dvd, post I read. But taking from them what I think I need to. Adapting techniques and equipment to what I want and need. Sponsored anglers have helped me learn and develop my fishing and which has sometimes helped me win money. If your buying tackle its your choice you read up on products but also try them yourself.

Hey I hate this weather can’t wait to get back onto the bank and catching properly!!!

[daddymo2Participant]

looks like another top angler that wont be here to ask questions and get some tips off is this not a site to talk and help improve our angling i know
grant and i dont think you will be seeing him on here again looking at some of the posts shame nice bloke will you mo.s ever learn a few spoil it for the rest

[TF_Leaky Lloyd]

my glass eye’s falling asleep!
what a load of pony!
if you buy summat just cos a sponsered angler says its the best they’ve used,,then your a fool!
you got the money and you got the choice,,go and try things for yourself!

[FORDY 1Participant]

Fair play theres some t___ on here.

[daddymo2Participant]

leaky please refrain from talking about glass eyes some of us have the misfortune to have one mate so dont mock the inflicted and fordy what gives you the right to put people in to groups

[TF_Leaky Lloyd]

stop it daddy!

[TF_TJ]

Grant seems to have found a home in pastures new, ~clap ~clap It seems he is happy to be there as he doesn’t get abused.~think ~think

[Philmynet]

This whole thread is the reason i dont post on TF anymore to many idiots running around shouting their mouth off. As Gaz said well done yet another top lad you lot have lost.
Oh well thats more for MFS then!

[TF_Gary]

What/ who is MFS?

[ForestEverForestParticipant]

Without doubt there are one or two morons on here (and MFS too I would imagine)and it is to the detriment of this site that we have lost Keith Arthur and now it appears Grant too.

Having said that I thought Grant went a bit overboard on his posts, I didn’t realise it was Grant Albut (spelling?)at the time of reading and thought it was some jumped up ‘want to be’ I must admit!

[Anonymous]

can we put this to bed now !!!!!

[daddymo2Participant]

one thing i will say for grant knowing him as i do he is a nice bloke but he wont suffer fools gladly and he is not slow in speaking his mind

[Peter1984]

Im sorry Foresteverforest, I will disagree with one of your asumptions.

I think the quicker this thread is either removed now or locked the better it will be.

[TF_craigm]

Totally agree with you Peter1984. This needs to be locked or removed now and we can just hope that Grant decides to give the forum another chance in the future.

[TF_ballitinParticipant]

Yes I think you are right Peter1984 it does want putting to bed BUT I think Grant brought alot of it on himself .He did attack one of our members, or does it matter to some who you are .ie because he has a status in fishing that he should get any better treatment than any other members (no disrespect to Grant himself just using him as an example ).

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

@TrueBlue wrote:

Geepster, i think the problem was that GRANT dived in head first with an attack at those who where having a go at sponsored anglers in general. It was his first post on the forum. I guess Grant took the thread personally and thats why he attacked as he did. I dont think many realised who GRANT was or the pedigree this angler has. Im sure many would like to see GRANT back on this forum in the future. I know he has loads of good advice to give if he was hoping to help other anglers. He might even learn something from me if im in the mood to give some of my secretes away.

dave brittain answered the question fully and not many can argue with his answers. Maybe GRANT will read dave,s post and his own again and realise that he could have explained how sponsorship works as dave eventually did. dave,s very eloquent in the way that he posts. Even i struggle to argue against what dave has to say. However, im sure that GRANT could have got his argument across in his own words without anybody getting upset or angry. GRANT would have been given loads of credit for that type of response.

I have to agree with True Blue and another poster. People kissing backsides and excusing named anglers when they are in the wrong are IMO worse than the said angler. Grant made a few mistakes, he is a net novice but likewise blaming others for his behaviour is incredulous and wrong. Dave Brittain did not get any so called abuse. Nor does Steve Ringer.

[Anonymous]

This is so so wrong. Can you ppl behave! To many ppl are agreeing with my posts and being fare to nice. Can we all get back to doing what we normally do. I expect more abuse and argumentative responses to my posts. I can then chuck my rattle out of my pram and refuse to post again on this site. Maybe then i will get a phone call from another forum begging me to do a question and answer session and everybody will love me and have my a==e kissed every time i log in. This is not good enough at the moment!

[TF_Hillbilly]

Tempted to make your tip fly round Steve but the trouble is that most of what you post makes sense and the rest is just your opinion and everyone is entitled to one of those. I think I have one of your rattles that landed in my garden a while back when things on here were more hectic. Tell me what colour yours are and I will return it next time I see you as I have a few more and a couple of teddies in the garden from when Blake Hall tried to ban the tea bag. 🙂

[TF_Billy no FishParticipant]

Thing is TrueBlue they actually enjoy posting on MFS and taking part in Q&A’s. Whether you like it or not you are part of the reason the top anglers don’t post on here. I suggest you ask as well if i have to beg them to come on, funnily enough i don’t. Ask Grant, Swainy, Giles, Keith, Ian Didcote and all the others what they think.

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

I’m happy to disagree with you TrueBlue, if it makes you feel better.

Listen, Grant would be the first to admit that he has a short fuse which we all know isn’t best suited to forums, however he’s a top bloke, superb angler and would be a big asset to this forum….

Okay, okay, I admit it, we have had this ‘thing’ going on, purely platonic (well mainly) but you don’t need to know about that….

BNF – think that post is just a tad overly serious but only my opinion…. let’s lighten up, it’s only fishing.

[GRANTParticipant]

yes i did make a few mistakes one of them was comming on here,i’m starting to repeat myself now,but i’ve appologised for getting pissed off but still certain people still wont let it go praise to dave britain for what he said thats how i should of come accross, but hey were all different, lifes to short to be falling out with each other over nothing, thers people dying trying to keep peace for gods sake and were arguing about what tackle people use!! and i dont expect “special treatment or arse kissing just because i’ve got sponsorship” if you’ve got a problem with me come and see me but dont run me down and hide behind your computer,anyone who knows me will tell you how helpfull i am and i put a lot of my own money into angling giving people groundbait/floats/clothing etc.. do any of you, anyway thanks to the lads who are behind me and said nice things “ARSE KISSERS”.lol.. thanks i know a few of you personly good luck to you all see you on the bank

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

Exactly, on that note, anyone unhappy if we close this thread off and move on to exciting, new, green, flowery, soft and fluffy pastures new????

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

Good – consider it closed..

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