This site needs …..

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

It needs people contributing something, anything if you come on here to view then why not post something ? It makes so much more conversation, It creates so much more environment. Sometimes people will ask a question on here 400 people will read it and know the answer and only 2 people will post about the subject ? This site used to be really busy and interesting I know some members want to turn it into a slanging match like big brother fair play to them its humorous.Get posting !

[TF_CHRIS.V.Participant]

Use to be good but now there`s far too many key board bandits on here,think they know it all but know nothing IMO. Just look at the Sponsored anglers thread for example.

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

You do get some really good threads,especially when new methods,or baits come out.and the discussion can last several days.

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

Too many want to absorb and not contribute, If every guest had the balls to put one thing on here the site would be chokka block with stuff.

[billy the squid s.t.aParticipant]

Very true , i only recently started to have a peek on here, and it has def changed. few years ago people would talk, have a laugh, take the mick and also give some great advice, me and a few team mates used to log on for all of the above reasons, yet over the last few months of looking on here it seems to have gone very boring in a conservative kind of way!!

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

Its right Billy its like a morgue on here compared to 5 years ago we all need to start asking more.

[TF_Nigel.]

True Ant, i am also guilty of it.

I have just put a thread up!~clap

[TF_stevieskin]

This site is not a patch on what it was 2 or 3 years ago.
There were plenty of good quality threads around then, with contributions from some very good anglers.
Sadly the quality of this forum disappeared as the personal abuse and “argument” threads increased.
TF has gone from the first port of call for info to being well down the list now I am afraid.
Just my opinion of course.

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

Stevie this is the only place I will go on so I want to make it good, I wont trawl the Internet looking for Fishing websites this is the first and the best.

[Col DumphyParticipant]

imo i think theres little clicks on here, and if your not part of it you aint likely to get a response, e.g ive asked/enquired about things in the past and its quickly ended up on page 2 or 3 without a response but 300 views, i have noticed should one of the click post a similar question etc there would soon be a page full of imo 20% positive feedback and 80% kak, this is just my opinion, there is also plenty of people who will give you the time of day

[TF_Dodge]

Most threads on here get hijacked or turn into private conversations ,if that doesnt happen then it usually turns political.Think this is the problem why the vast majority dont post anything. Everyone is entitaled to an opinion on any subject as it is an open forum. I hardly use this site but it can be very informative and humurous at times !

[TF_dirkdiggler]

This site needs …..

an off topic section.

[TF_CasterBlasterParticipant]

I gave up posting on this site a couple of years ago. I found that one of two things happened you either got completed ignored or told you where posting crap.

[TF_matt rosevear]

imo people need to stop slaging each other off and using this site as an exuse for an argument
look what happened with nathen watson,he never posts no more but was more than willing to share his advise,advise that i was happy to listen to as he is a good angler.
i see grant has had enough after just 2 days,thats another star that will not post no more

[TF_Nigel.]

Keith Arthur doesn’t post anymore because he got abused!!!

The site needs less stickys too, i only read page one, and there are currantly 5 stickys and one Darts thread at the moment, leaving 9 fishing topics.

And sometimes there can be 2 0r 3 football threads too, and its only because of the snow that they are not here.

I read motorcycle and greenkeeping and carp forms too, so there must be football forums out there, i dont know, i dont like football, but there must be loads.

[TF_matt rosevear]

some people are spoiling it for every one else imo they are jelous of the big stars and abuse them to the point that they stop coming on these people are a great help to us every day anglers and should be encouraged not slaged off at any given chance.but thats just my view

[TF_rocketFeeder]

I’ve been using this forum for around 7/8 years. IMO it’s no better/worse now than all those years ago. It’s still the best forum site on the Internet IMO, I’m registered on nearly every forum site going and this is always the first one I log into.

The site is ALWAYS slow at this time of year – no-one is fishing so theres less to talk about.

As for the ‘names’ that do not post – that is a shame. However, look at Carpmagic, he must of been on this site for 5-6years (maybe more) and still gives advice and answers questions freely, he is a real credit to himself and his sponsors. Perhaps he doesn’t take general comments personally, perhaps he actually uses the gear he says he does, perhaps anglers actually see his articles for what they are – great advice with no product hard sell. Giles was another great example to his sponsors and fellow anglers – always very open in his posts certainly helped out alot of forum users.

I do hope Grant continues to post, the comments on the sponsorship thread weren’t personal to you Grant (at least not from me).

[TF_Cutnut]

I think you all complain too much. ~clap

Ignore the footy threads and any other off topic ones that you have no interest in. I once got so fed up with OT threads that I spent 10 -20 minutes finding all the interesting threads that were getting lost and bumped them upto the top until the footy and the like threads got pushed to page 3.

it was noticed ..but…within moments of me stopping the btt, the threads were back.

There has long been needed a creche section for the kiddie winks, as yet Geepster has held back from doing that but it’s long overdue.

[TF_carpmagicParticipant]

I dont think its a bad forum and i still pop in and look everyday and will post if there is something i feel i can contribute on. Normally though i just answwer PM’s which i get quite a few of. Maybe the site lacks quality posts but they all do at times so thats nothing new. There are a lot of OT threads and a lot of chit chat which didnt used to be the case but i dont know how you stop that, or for that matter if you want to.

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

Although there have been a couple of posts,or threads that may seem personal or attacking an individual,i honestly don’t believe that anyone person is being targeted personally in a malicious or otherwise manner anymore.yes there have been a couple in the past thats a fact,and those people have stopped using this site as a result,which is a great loss as they were a mine of information on all topics.
there might be threads,where opinons differ,and can get and do get heated sometimes,but these are few and far between.and constructive criticism is sometimes hard to accept,but can benefit in the long terms.
there are still a lot of good posters here,and posts still to be done.~clap

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

I for one will always post on this forum its a good forum and we have some knowlegeable members Totalfishing is a good concept thats saturated at the moment loads of different sites offering the same lets see who comes out the other side, I bet its Totalfishing !

[Anonymous]

Matt Rosevear, this is GRANTS first post – IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA IF YOU MENTION THE ANGLERS WHO HACK YOU OFF,AS THERE MIGHT BE A GOOD REASON WHY THERE USING OTHER PRODUCTS TO THE ONES THAT YOU THINK THEY “SHOULD” BE USING ACCORDING TO YOU..WHAT WORRIES ME IS THAT YOU CANT EVEN SPELL “SPONSORED” SO IF I WAS YOU I WOULD WORRY MORE ABOUT YOUR SPELLING THAN WORRYING ABOUT WHAT “SPONSORED” ANGLERS ARE USING THERES MORE TO LIFE.. OR AT LEAST GET ONE-

This does not seem like someone who wanted to give good advice or be helpful to others. I think he came on here for an argument because everywhere is frozen at the moment and so has nothing better to do. His other posts are basically the same. Very helpful, indeed!

Keith was another who was not to worried about giving stick or being abusive to other users. First time he gets it back. He walks. Do we need ppl like that on any forum. Im not so sure.

There are plenty of good quality anglers who use this forum and do give very good advice and information when its asked for. Some also take part in discussions that can be a little more controversial without being abusive or taking things personally. They can be the best threads and can run for days or even weeks and reach several hundred posts.

The key to any forum is the ppl involved and the questions being asked.

[TF_caster robParticipant]

Agree with TrueBlue here.

I’ve no idea who Grant is, or who his sponsors are, but the use of caps smacked of attention-seeking and his criticism of another posters spelling brought pots and kettles to mind.

I like to think that anyone who takes the trouble to post has an opinion worth hearing and whether they are sponsored or not bears no indication to its worth.

As for Keith Arthur being “abused”, I didn’t realise having a different opinion to his constituted abuse.

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

Is that what happened to Fblues ? Has he spat the dummy out I missed that, I did think he was suspicious with his abscence though !

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

Grant is Grant albutt,sponsored by garbolino,van den eynde.and winner of numerous big fishing events,parkdean masters,match fishing magazines match fishing cup.etc.so he is not a flash in the pan angler by any means.

[TF_matt rosevear]

i must admit i though the spelling bit was a bit offensive cause theres no one worse than me for wrong spellings lol

[TF_Johnny Mac]

I don’t think the site is anywhere near as cliquey as it used to be a year or two ago???

There are a number of VERY good anglers posting on this site, I can’t really think of any that posted and now don’t? ~think

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

I thought it was Grant Albutt to be honest i dont know anyone else called Grant, why is Grant coming on here when everyone else has vacated the site ?

[TF_Johnny Mac]

i think Grant has just got into computers?? He’s just signed up on facebook. judging by his post’s on here I think he’s probably just unfamiliar with forum etiquitte, using cap’s etc.

I for one would like to see him back and made welcome!

[TF_caster robParticipant]

He’s got more chance of being made welcome by not slagging other posters off with his first contribution.

Nice to read some of Steve Ringer’s posts and realize that not all sponsored types are so full of themselves.

[Anonymous]

The little clicks made there own forum/club and seem to be happy together now. Im so pleased for them! Personally, i dont miss them. Although, i do look in to see if they are still awake from time to time. There forum is often very quiet. Fare less arguments on here these days since they left.

I dont have a problem with GRANT being on this forum and i think he will get the respect he deserves if he respect other ppls opinions. However, based on his first 6 posts. He was just out to have an argument and take the piss out of other ppls spelling or anything else he could think of to argue about. His time would have been better spent explaining his point of view and attempting to put his point of view across as part of a sensible discussion.

Me and Caster Rob dont always agree with each other. However, we do respect each other and dont slag each other off at every opportunity. I think thats a good starting point for any forum user.

[TF_justin case]

@TrueBlue wrote:

The little clicks made there own forum/club and seem to be happy together now. Im so pleased for them! Personally, i dont miss them. Although, i do look in to see if they are still awake from time to time. There forum is often very quiet.

Would that be MFS, TB ? thats a busy board far from quiet, you must be looking in during the wee hours

The only thing I would like to see change here are all the non fishing posts like the football politics and racism I would like to see them put in a general section, wading through page after page looking for the interesting topics can be a tad tedius if you don’t get here that often

[billy the squid s.t.aParticipant]

I think when most people log on for the first time on this forum they perhaps get a little excited, I registered at the same time as some of my fishing buddys, and am afraid to say posted like a naughty ten year old most of the time! “mainly after a few to many beers” I regret acting like a forum prat as i really enjoy my match fishing and have probably fished against most of you in various qualifiers, festivals, and do enjoy the armchair chat when it’s to dark to fish..

[TF_Dodge]

Excellent thread this with plenty of very good posts …. see it can be achieved lol ~clap ~clap

Posting can be daunting at times and users of this forum should be tolerant and help out where they can with new posters whether the new poster is a star angler or a novice imo.

[woodhouse]

Dodge

pay a fiver and join this site, if you dont think its worth it after 12 months i’ll give you your money back

http://www.matchfishing-scene.co.uk/forum.php

[TF_Leaky Lloyd]

@CHRIS.V. wrote:

Use to be good but now there`s far too many key board bandits on here,think they know it all but know nothing IMO. Just look at the Sponsored anglers thread for example.

IMO?
perhaps thats just what these people are doing chris,, offering there opinion!
i think people like yourself, in your position should take into account, we are not all top draw match anglers,,and we DON’T know everyting,, but does that mean we dont get an opinion,,?

and on with suggestions,,,,
does this site have a chat box? i haven’t seen one,,,seen one on other sites and its a great laugh carrying on the bankside banter from the comfort of your armchair!

[TF_Leaky Lloyd]

@Dodge wrote:

Excellent thread this with plenty of very good posts …. see it can be achieved lol ~clap ~clap

Posting can be daunting at times and users of this forum should be tolerant and help out where they can with new posters whether the new poster is a star angler or a novice imo.

well said dodge,,,!

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

Well said Leaky & Dodge, I Frankly dont give a shit what I post and how daft i sound ! I always seem to get hundreds reading what ive wrote so I dont care if I say something stupid and get ridiculed at the draw bag so what people will take the piss for 5 mins saying you “Talk shite ” but what they dont realise is people like ourselves are giving these people the opportunity to make conversation without our input they would be stuck in their own narrow minded world with nothing to say ~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_Nigel.]

This may be contoversial, but i think this forum needs honesty too, why do posters not use ther own name, or put there real name in there profile.
In fact i think it should be compulsory for all users to either use there own name, ot at the least have there own name in the profile so we know who we are talking too!~think

[tweet]

If you want to see falling out try looking at the Angling Trust forum it’s priceless some of the posters who no longer post on here are going at it hammer & tongs on there now . A very amusing read IMO

[TF_Mike Herrington]

let me ask a little question to all this…..

with regards to ‘well known’ users we have

Steve Ringer
Grant Albut
Chris Vandervleit (spelling?)
Nigel HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhaaarrrrrryyyyyyyyyy (spelling…~clap )

and who else…where else can you get anglers of this calibre who will impart their knowledge to someone that they may never see.

[Anonymous]

Im not really having a go at MFS, Justin Case. Both forums are good at times. However, a lot of the arguing on this forum stopped when MFS forum was started. I had been warned of the cliques on here when i first started on this forum. Those warnings turned out to be very true with several personal attacks and several threatening PMs. Things are a lot more friendly on this forum these days.

The chat room for members might be busy. However, the boards are often very quiet with only a small number of members posting regularly. Many of the threads are started as a result of questions being duplicated originally from this forum. Im sure a few threads originated from MFS and also end up on here but not many from what i read.

Yes, its often the early hours before i read the MFS boards. Some are very interesting and i even add my input from time to time, as you know.

I agree that an O/T page would be better for those who wish to chat about other subjects other than fishing.

Why have 3 regulars on MFS just posted on T/F? Must be very interesting on MFS tonight. Is the chat box going into overdrive, lol.

I agree, Nigel. There are quite a few ppl hiding behind there user name.

[TF_CHRIS.V.Participant]

@Leaky Lloyd wrote:

@CHRIS.V. wrote:

Use to be good but now there`s far too many key board bandits on here,think they know it all but know nothing IMO. Just look at the Sponsored anglers thread for example.

IMO?
perhaps thats just what these people are doing chris,, offering there opinion!
i think people like yourself, in your position should take into account, we are not all top draw match anglers,,and we DON’T know everyting,, but does that mean we dont get an opinion,,?

and on with suggestions,,,,
does this site have a chat box? i haven’t seen one,,,seen one on other sites and its a great laugh carrying on the bankside banter from the comfort of your armchair!

Leaky Lloyd there`s a difference between having an opinion and getting personal,i have seen far too many times on here where one poster will abuse another. After all fishing to me is only a past time,but to some others it`s their life.

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

I use a username just because its different to everyday joe bloggs,or fred brown etc.not to hide behind anything.my real name is in my profile if people wish to look for themselves.

[TF_yamma]

whats mfs, just googled it and got on MIDLAND FERTILITY SERVICES!! pmsl.

[TF_Mike Herrington]

none of you will never ever never guess my real name.
~think ~think ~think ~think

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

Good point Nigel I have never posted under another name other than my chosen name. My Name is Anthonywaters and you are talking to Anthonywaters not Eeelsucker or carpanustaster it could be anyone your talking to !

[TF_Fordy]

What the site needs is for those posters who take themselves seriously 24/7 to acquire a sense of humour.

If you are offended by GRANT then you don’t know
him. He’s one of the best gay anglers on the circuit, and one of the few lucky enough to have sponsorship from Clever Claw.

The site is poorer for those who don’t post any more.

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

Chris.V,there is a big difference between opinions and getting personal,i agree.
but since no one has been named in any recent postings.how do you decide what is honest opinion,constructive criticism,and personal towards one person,or persons,as your comment about the sponsored anglers thread suggested.?

[TF_sumo]

@Fordy wrote:

What the site needs is for those posters who take themselves seriously 24/7 to acquire a sense of humour.

If you are offended by GRANT then you don’t know
him. He’s one of the best gay anglers on the circuit, and one of the few lucky enough to have sponsorship from Clever Claw.

The site is poorer for those who don’t post any more.

Fordy I accept that the last part of your post is your opinion but would like to know why you think that way please ( just interested not saying I neccessarily disagree ) .

[TF_Dodge]

@woodhouse wrote:

Dodge

pay a fiver and join this site, if you dont think its worth it after 12 months i’ll give you your money back

http://www.matchfishing-scene.co.uk/forum.php

You pay my fiver Lee and i will happily join ~clap

Do they do proper football threads ?? lololol

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

Thats Grant & Nathan sponsored by clever claw then Fordy ? Think I will just keep a low profile incase im next !

[TF_Fordy]

Because some of the most knowledgeable people in
our sport have left this forum.

Far too many users can’t tell the difference between banter and abuse.

I also think there are a few who think getting something published on here means they are important.

[TF_sumo]

@Fordy wrote:

Because some of the most knowledgeable people in
our sport have left this forum.

Far too many users can’t tell the difference between banter and abuse.

I also think there are a few who think getting something published on here means they are important.

Thanks

[Anonymous]

Totally agree with you about the sponsored anglers thread, TIDALWAVE1. It started out as a potentially interesting thread. However, GRANT decided to take things personally and went in for the attack with his very first post on this forum. He would have been better served as a respected sponsored angler in putting his point across about how he does things and why he might use a different product than his sponsors product. Instead, he started attacking individuals for there spelling mistakes and there personal opinions. Was GRANT attempting to be helpful and educate the masses about sponsorship and angling in general or was he looking to take the piss and have a bit of an argument on this forum for something to do because everywhere is frozen?

[TF_justin case]

@TrueBlue wrote:

Why have 3 regulars on MFS just posted on T/F? Must be very interesting on MFS tonight. Is the chat box going into overdrive, lol.

Yes it is we are talking about fishing

[TF_badgerParticipant]

This is a great site plenty of good info, good banter etc.The OT are brilliant especially football I’ve had a look on MFS you’d have to give me a fiver to post on there.

[tweet]

@justin case wrote:

@TrueBlue wrote:

Why have 3 regulars on MFS just posted on T/F? Must be very interesting on MFS tonight. Is the chat box going into overdrive, lol.

Yes it is we are talking about fishing

Fishing ~think ~think ~think

[TF_Jadstar70]

Why oh why oh why does a discussion like this always turn into a point scoring competition about MFS?~think

I have met some great lads off this site over the years and fished some good matches and had some cracking nights on here.
Sometimes things change, and here it changed,in my opinion the cream off this site and the TFClub left, taking with them the backbone of what made this site the most well known.
The match organisers, personalities and those that “did” went, leaving it quite barren if I am honest.

Johnny Mac,you always harp on about the Clique? I have mostly stopped posting on here as its people like you who portray a clique,and as I seem to favour a different site you seem to hold that against anyone who has that view imo.

I look on here most days, Caster Rob’s still here, a very very funny and intelligent man, people like him made this forum worth contributing too, but like I said not many of those characters left.

Tweet- you have paraphrased a topic that was posted in the
“Off Topic- all non fishing related chat” so it wouldnt have any fishing content.

People Like Steve ringer are a credit to themselves and the sport, he pops up on every forum answering questions and helping out.
He was instrumental in the early days of another forum showing top class anglers that the internet is a safe place to chat.

There seems to be too many keyboard warriors and pocket book physcologists who dont listen and are so keen to tell you why you are so wrong, that seem prelavent on a lot of forums, this one without exception, and tbh over the last twelve months it has been worse than ever.

TF used to be great, it was a fantastic concept, and still is, but the Model T Ford was a fantastic concept, but it evolved….

There is enough room on the internet for everyone, and as far as I can see this “My dads bigger than your dad” attitude regarding TF and MFS makes for a worse atmosphere, content and overall experience.

I concurr and agree with Mr Ford of the tellys’ comments.

[TF_redarmy]

jads i agree there is no need for any friction between the sites i go on both and fish regular matches off both ,but theres points scoring going on both not just 1.

[Anonymous]

Hopefully it will create healthy competition on the bank between the 2 sites.

[TF_Johnny Mac]

Johnny Mac,you always harp on about the Clique? I have mostly stopped posting on here as its people like you who portray a clique,and as I seem to favour a different site you seem to hold that against anyone who has that view imo.

Not sure what you’re on about there??? I never ‘harp on’ about anything.

You can favour which ever site you like, it’s of no interest to me.

[fishfearmeParticipant]

I remember there use to be a lot of Norfolk Boys on here.
Where did they all go? Or why did they go?

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

I think they cut off the Inernet from Norfolk.

The thread is a good example of it being impossible to please everyone – some want and off topic forum, some don’t; some think it’s more cliquey than ever, some think it’s a lot less cliquey than it used to be.

It’s a shame that some of those who left to use/set-up MFS decided never to use TF again – that’s something I never understood.

Match fishing is very a limited market with no pot of gold to go for, so we should all work together not against each other. Certainly I would prefer people not to point score for TF on MFS and vice versa.

There’s room for all – perhaps the most telling thing is the Carpmagic says he gets lots of PMs – perhaps that’s a man thing – people want to ask people like Steve questions, but don’t want to be seen to be asking publicly. That’s backed up by the fact that the site has record traffic figures.

Come on guys, let’s get some interesting fishing threads going – rather than PM, put them on the forum…

[TF_Swimfeeder]

I said at the time MFS was launched, that another site would only serve to water things down, there are only so many angling related topics to discuss, and as has already been stated, these “topics” are often duplicated on both sites, it is two way traffic too, BOTH sites indulge in this practice.

What has happened ,has happened, but at a time when angling unity via the Angling Trust is of paramount importance, angling is divided up even further……………. the end result is that angling ,and in the case of TF and MFS, match angling, turns out to be the loser.

On the subject that Nigel raised, that of anonymous posters hiding behind silly internet names, I am in total agreement, if you have something to say, have the balls to put your name to it……..or keep it to yourself, I have made a personal decision to ignore any question, however pertinent it may be to the debate, from such cowardly individuals, IMO they do not earn the right of a response from me.

Finally, the time of year has a lot to do with the content of any angling forum, the weather is a huge factor also, soon we will have a flood of threads relating to this years Fish’o and before long we will all be out there enjoying the summer with plenty of topics to post and read.

Regards Bob.

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

Yep.

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

Sorry but does anyone know how Arsenal got on?…lol.
A very good thread lads,and one that has touched on the subject of lost members.I for one have missed their knowledge and banter,and hope that one day some will return.Why some of these anglers have gone over to our ex members new site is their right,but i would hope that more(we have some)would still post on here….IMO obviously.

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

if posters choose move to another forum,it has nothing to do with being done out of deliberate spite.as many posters from here use plenty of other sites and forums,not just this one.so the question is irrelevent.if they move due to personal attacks,and are still posting on other sites.then you cannot question their moves,as the answer behind it is obvious.if other forums are busy,and others are slow,or empty,ask yourselves why.
as for PM’S,some of them may only be relevent to a single thing,and not always fishing related,so would not be worth starting a thread over.

[TF_stevieskin]

Geeps, the fact remains this site has now got a reputation for abusive posts and personal attacks. So attracting better quality threads is gonna be all the harder. Many top anglers, manufacturers, bait companies etc have all moved on to other sites, where they can pass their opinion without being shouted down by a minority.
There are still many good posters who look in on TF regularly, but who decline to post because of what I said above.
Weed out the dross and the site will soon pick up .
Only my opinion of course

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

Totally agree, if people are being maliciously attacked I don’t blame them. Sadly in the end of the day if you have a profile and don’t have a thick skin, internet forums are not the place for you, and that goes for any arena, not just fishing. Incidentally, I have contacted Grant to see if he fancies giving the site another go, but it may be he came on just because someone mentioned something to him that was posted and has no appetite for being a regular poster. I think what we are referring to is when the other site was set up, some long term TF regulars left never to return, which of course is their prerogative – just some of us were suprised by it I suppose, as we thought they would continue using both sites. Like Swimfeeder said we are in a very small pond and if the future of match fishing is what you are about, splitting it ever further just makes things more difficult.

Stevieskin you have a PM…

[TF_redarmy]

theres too many fragile ego,s if you cant take it dont give it out

[TF_stevieskin]

No PM in inbox Geeps ??

[TF_caster robParticipant]

@stevieskin wrote:

Geeps, the fact remains this site has now got a reputation for abusive posts and personal attacks. So attracting better quality threads is gonna be all the harder. Many top anglers, manufacturers, bait companies etc have all moved on to other sites, where they can pass their opinion without being shouted down by a minority.
There are still many good posters who look in on TF regularly, but who decline to post because of what I said above.
Weed out the dross and the site will soon pick up .
Only my opinion of course

Reputation amongst whom?

Is the “success” of a site determined by the amount of traffic it generates or the number of contributions by names/would-be celebs?

[TF_herbie]

im as guilty as anyone for the o/t posts. but ask yourself how many threads can you have re tackle???. i already know what i like, wont change my mind. the same applies to venue,s most dont interest me at all. if its stafford moor/viaduct/alders/glebe/monks, i will look and if i have anything useful to contribute will do so. clicky well i suppose it can appear that way, i like to humour the cockerneys because there a sad bunch living with all those wide boys they need help. so i post on there threads. same applies to football posts they pass the time and make most of us who love footie laugh. there are quite a lot of people on here who dont concider themselves qualified enough to speak about angling , but will look at the threads to learn from there peers. i firmly believe when geeps set aside matches and get togethers he weakend this site, not everyone is aware of whats going on and consquently there,s less matches.i have seen several posts on here moaning about o/t,s but before they moaned they read them. that i find quite strange~think ~think

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

I have no idea who he is but Grant seemed to derail what was a reasonable thread IMO. Using caps lock was childish. The issue of sponsored anglers endorsing products they do not use is a genuine issue and has been around for as long as I have been fishing.

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

“Is the “success” of a site determined by the amount of traffic it generates or the number of contributions by names/would-be celebs?”

In my opinion, a combination of both. Traffic proves a lot of anglers visit the site (and they do) which is great for advertisers.
But as anglers we all want people to make worthwhile contributions and we all want to know what the top guys are doing.
I like people to have their say and I’m not living in an unrealistic, fluffy world where I think everyone is going to agree/not fall out. Also I don’t have any problem at all with people disagreeing with the ‘names’ and neither should they as long as it’s not malicious/immature.
However, if we want the site to be strong, it’s not healthy to have a situation where the site attracts more match anglers than any other, but not enough are happy to come on and post for fear of being shot down…. is it?

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

If it is a sensible debate,then there should never be any problems.but if you start to get,it’s my way only or i am leaving at the first sign of not being told i am right all the time.thats where the hiccup’s start,and threads get locked down or deleted.if fishing is only a sport,or hobby,and not a personal attack on someone for the hell of it.whats the problem with honest opinion and debate if true facts are provided.~think

[ian.bParticipant]

I am new on here but have been reading threads for a few months now. I’m pretty much a regular on another forum but when that one is quiet I come on this one for a laugh.
Whoever said there is a lot of arguing on this site is right, usually on non-angling threads, which the site seems dominated by – in reality they probably don’t but that’s the impression you get when you browse the site.

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

Precisely, but some posters go to far, while at the other scale some known anglers feel that if you disagree with them it’s an insult. Hey ho…

[TF_GLEBE1]

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

I have no idea who he is but Grant seemed to derail what was a reasonable thread IMO. Using caps lock was childish. The issue of sponsored anglers endorsing products they do not use is a genuine issue and has been around for as long as I have been fishing.

As usual, subtle as a kick in the knackers

Just for you NW

http://www.garbolinouk.co.uk/consultants/grant-albutt/

[GRANTParticipant]

just for the record,i didnt come on here to argue/attack or cause bad feeling with anyone and i certainly dont care what you think of me as an angler whether you know me or not im big enough to put my own name in there, and fordy your the GAY one your boyfriends told me, when i saw the post about the sponsored anglers it got my back up,and all i was saying was give the person or persons a chance to explain,and now i wish i hadnt said anything because its all got a bit out of hand wouldnt you agree,if anyone was offended by me i appologise for that but the way ive been brought up if youve got something to say about someone go tell it to them dont write on a wall or hide behind a different name,i havnt got an ego and i certainly aint fragile,just give people a chance to explain,we all have our own ways of expressing ourselves and were all different individuals,and as im posting this im chidish because i had caps lock on unbelieveable thats enough from me and i hope to see some of you on the bank,good look and tight lines~hand

[TF_shep2]

thats that then NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

Excellent Grant – good to have you on here hope you look to post in the future. If anyone gives you any ear-ache we’ll slip a box of peeler crabs into their car while they are not looking!!! (apparently the car stinks for months!!!).

[TF_Dodge]

@Geepster (moderator) wrote:

Excellent Grant – good to have you on here hope you look to post in the future. If anyone gives you any ear-ache we’ll slip a box of peeler crabs into their car while they are not looking!!! (apparently the car stinks for months!!!).

Dead maggots and fishmeal !!! Well good !!!! lol

[TF_terrydorset]

@Fordy wrote:

What the site needs is for those posters who take themselves seriously 24/7 to acquire a sense of humour.

If you are offended by GRANT then you don’t know
him. He’s one of the best gay anglers on the circuit, and one of the few lucky enough to have sponsorship from Clever Claw.

The site is poorer for those who don’t post any more.

OMG Fordy, i can except him being gay,but now i know he is using a Clever Claw he has gone down in my estimation lol

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

LOL. Nice one Martin…..

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

@GLEBE1 wrote:

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

I have no idea who he is but Grant seemed to derail what was a reasonable thread IMO. Using caps lock was childish. The issue of sponsored anglers endorsing products they do not use is a genuine issue and has been around for as long as I have been fishing.

As usual, subtle as a kick in the knackers

Just for you NW

http://www.garbolinouk.co.uk/consultants/grant-albutt/

Why what was wrong with what I said?

Thankyou for the information. Bit taken aback it is Grant A as he is not one to get irked by such things and in his own roundabout way he has been online far longer than many realise. When Gary (Plant?) created TalkAngling, Grant used to write articles/make the odd video on there.

People often make me smile when they talk as if they were the originals on a forum etc. This forum exsisted long before Geeps took over and Fred is probably the oldest member from bygone days.

Forums change over time. The net has become more diversified and there are more and more forums to which people gravitate to. I think you can be a name and still post on the nety. Steve Ringer proved that although I thought the recent facebook thread was somewhat worrying.

Forums can also benefit manufacturers as well as have a negative impact. How much positive publicity has Mosella luggage received on here for example and if you can trust the named angler then his recommendations carry far more weight (Steve Ringer) The big issue are the youngsters coming into the sport and reading thjeir hero, going out and buying what is recommended and then being let down by the product.

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

Grant did not know that caps meant shouting, he’s new to this game.

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

Grant did not know that caps meant shouting, he’s new to this game. So I think we can let him off that!!!

I totally agree, that forums do more good for manufacturers than bad in the long term, but many are still scared of it…. (which in turn makes an opportunity for those that aren’t…)…

I reckon if I was a manufacturer looking for an angler to sponsor, I’d look for one who was web savvy, because the amount of positives someone like Steve can create for a brand by being in touch with real anglers on a day to day basis as he is(and not losing his rag) is huge…

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

Correct Geeps and I think you will see more and more named angling having online blogs as part of their sponsorship with manufacturers and Q and As by email.

To a large extent the net has facillitated the growth of the bespoke hand made float industry and we as anglers have benefitted considerably from that sector.

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

gRANT aLBUTT IS a cracking angler he may have been drunk or sniffing solvents.

[Wangla]

~clap excellent thread this fellas, must admit i,m guilty of just browsing and agree that some of my querys will probably seem trivial and lack interest to many, but in 2010 i RESOLVE to put them in writing anyway. Would love to see some of the old posters back on here,fblues,giles,corndawg, come on the site misses yer.

[TF_Happy Dangler]

I’m a paid up member of TFC, part of the team behind MFS and still use TF.com on a regular basis. Each site meets different needs and success isn’t measured in how many threads, views or celebrity posters each has.

The biggest difference between the sites these days is what happens on the bank not what is said or isn’t said on the forums. It is not difficult to use multiple sites and see a benefit or a purpose in each.

The reason I don’t post as much these days is because most of my TF-based posting activity was always in connection with get togethers – the build-up and the after-chat, this has gone now.

TB – the chatbox on MFS is the reason the forum posts don’t appear to have a very high volume. In any one 24 hour period there are upward of a thousand lines of chat which if they were posts in normal threads would constitute dozens of pages – most meaningless to those not involved in the dialogue, as witnessed by the comments in this thread about hijacking & personal conversations….

A question for those that have declared undying love for TF and only TF – why haven’t you joined the Club to help support the running of this free site?

[TF_Johnny Mac]

Wangla – Giles does still post on here

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

Im going to join Total fishing club and this is not pie in the sky Dangler, But would I be mistaken for thinking that membership does not support these clubs and the revenue from advertising does go a long way to support these services ? Its a double edged sword Dangler no customers no advertising and no advertising and no what appears to be free internet.

[worm drowner]

spell check

[TF_GLEBE1]

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

@GLEBE1 wrote:

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

I have no idea who he is but Grant seemed to derail what was a reasonable thread IMO. Using caps lock was childish. The issue of sponsored anglers endorsing products they do not use is a genuine issue and has been around for as long as I have been fishing.

As usual, subtle as a kick in the knackers

Just for you NW

http://www.garbolinouk.co.uk/consultants/grant-albutt/

Why what was wrong with what I said?

You stated that you didnt know who Grant was but you were still able to asertain that his use of caps was childish.Give him a break for gods sake

No wonder he’s miffed

[Wangla]

@Johnny Mac wrote:

Wangla – Giles does still post on here

Johny Mac- it just goes to show i dont get on here enough~naughty

[TF_caster robParticipant]

@GLEBE1 wrote:

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

@GLEBE1 wrote:

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

I have no idea who he is but Grant seemed to derail what was a reasonable thread IMO. Using caps lock was childish. The issue of sponsored anglers endorsing products they do not use is a genuine issue and has been around for as long as I have been fishing.

As usual, subtle as a kick in the knackers

Just for you NW

http://www.garbolinouk.co.uk/consultants/grant-albutt/

Why what was wrong with what I said?

You stated that you didnt know who Grant was but you were still able to asertain that his use of caps was childish.Give him a break for gods sake

No wonder he’s miffed

Was he miffed before he posted?

[Anonymous]

I didn’t know this site or any of the others existed until i joined it 2 or 3 years ago.I came across it by accident.
Its now become part of my daily routine to have a look in on here and has become quite addictive.I do enjoy some of the banter that goes on on here and it can become compulsory viewing at times,however i do sometimes cringe at some of the discussion that goes on on here and you really do have to bite your tongue at times but i realise that were all different and it wouldn’t pay us all to be the same so its a case of live and let live.
I also like the fact that it has a buy/sell section which is so far reaching it means that you can buy or sell items to/from anyone from all over the country so the opportunities are there for everyone to see.
The only thing i would like to see change is as Nigel has already mentioned and that is the anonymity of users.I think it should be made compulsory for all members to have to supply their real name..I go by my nickname on here but my real name is on my profile for everyone to see should they feel the need to do so.

[TF_Johnny Mac]

Agree with all you say Woody, especially your last comment ~clap

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

Okay so exactly how do you make people supply their real name on any Internet site??? I could set up an email address tomorrow that makes me [email protected] or obamalovesmatchfishing.co.uk – what do you suggest web owners do?

PS Web companies they have suggested I charge for the Buy/Sell section for years. I haven’t.

[Anonymous]

Ok Geeps,fair comment,i wasn’t trying to criticise in any way,maybe i should have phrased it as “it would be nice if there was a way of getting all members to supply their real name”..i’m not very wise when it comes to the technical side of IT.

Also,why would you feel the need to charge for Buy & Sell ?

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

@GLEBE1 wrote:

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

@GLEBE1 wrote:

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

I have no idea who he is but Grant seemed to derail what was a reasonable thread IMO. Using caps lock was childish. The issue of sponsored anglers endorsing products they do not use is a genuine issue and has been around for as long as I have been fishing.

As usual, subtle as a kick in the knackers

Just for you NW

http://www.garbolinouk.co.uk/consultants/grant-albutt/

Why what was wrong with what I said?

You stated that you didnt know who Grant was but you were still able to asertain that his use of caps was childish.Give him a break for gods sake

No wonder he’s miffed

I suggest you actually go back and read the original thread;

https://www.total-fishing.com/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=26047&p=2

Now nothing I said was any worse that was said by Grant at the time and as somebody said in the thread it had been turned childish by numerous posters. I do not think the thread was indicative of Grant because although I know him extremely vaguely everybody I have ever spoken to has praised him as a decent honest bloke etc. I may be wrong but I am speculating Grant had drank a few and that was the reason he responded as he did. If not then IMO Grant was the one probably in the wrong.

The original thread was IMO a valued one. I actually think every article should clearly state who the contributor is sponsored by and I also think the old line from publication ‘we never give bad reviews because everything today is so good’ is equally ludicrous. As every tackle manufacturer looks to reduce costs, there will IMO be more and more suspect goods on the market giving rise to hand made, high quality products. If anglers can trust the endorsement of a sponsored angler then it enhances the reputation of said angler and the sport. Conversely, if anglers cannot trust the endorsement of a named angler then not only does it damage his reputation but collectively EVERY sponsored angler. Therefore, not only does a sponsored angler have a responsibilty to himself and his sponsor but also to the entire angling trade.

[TF_TIDALWAVE1]

You cannot change editorial content in magazines to state wether bad or crap items are being reviewed,simply because heavy advertising by many manufacturers could be responsible for that magazines sales and revenue.and therefore the magazine will never give bad reviews.

[TF_Johnny Mac]

“Ok Geeps,fair comment,i wasn’t trying to criticise in any way,maybe i should have phrased it as “it would be nice if there was a way of getting all members to supply their real name”..i’m not very wise when it comes to the technical side of IT.”

LOL, same here 🙂

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

The idea to charge for buy and sell isn’t mine, but two development companies I’ve met with think it makes sense, citing similar sites in areas like motorbikes… I suppose the theory is that you set up a platform for people to make money and pay for it, you should get something back. However I’m dumb, so I’ve ignored them….

[Anonymous]

Geepster (moderator) wrote:

… I suppose the theory is that you set up a platform for people to make money and pay for it, you should get something back. However I’m dumb, so I’ve ignored them….

I personally dont use the buy/sell section to make money,if i’m after something i’ll usually advertise on here to see if someone is selling..Alternatively,i advertise things for sale that i no longer need and have always made a loss when i sell them and i would hazzard a guess that the majority on here are the same.

The platform that you provide Geeps is very helpful and is appreciated and i for one would never intentionally set out to try and abuse it but i suppose there are some who do sell items on here and do make a profit but how can you police that kind of thing,i guess it would be impossible.

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

Wormdrownder Spell check what exactly ? what is this a English Grammar lesson you English man lets not get a good thread deleated

[TF_Fordy]

I think you mean ‘an’ English grammar lesson……

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

I dont know what I think I mean Fordy, English was never my best subject Im a happy go lucy kind of guy and I possess the ability to contribute to a discussion without getting riled and when I contribute to a subject I like to remain topical.

[TF_herbie]

spellcheck????? is that a harry potter thing???. cant keep up with these kids nowadays~sick ~sick . anthony who,s happy go lucy. sounds like my type of gal~clap ~clap

[TF_Craftytafty]

@Geepster (moderator) wrote:

The idea to charge for buy and sell isn’t mine, but two development companies I’ve met with think it makes sense, citing similar sites in areas like motorbikes… I suppose the theory is that you set up a platform for people to make money and pay for it, you should get something back. However I’m dumb, so I’ve ignored them….

If people are using the buy and sell section to make money as opposed to just selling any unwanted items they will of course be advising the inland revenue and declaring it on their tax returns think ~think

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

Looks like Grant is voting with his fingers. Shame.

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

Quite. Trying to talk him around, but shouldn’t have to.

[TF_herbie]

geeps i go back to my original comment re matches and get togethers. i seldom go to the section regards matches and as someone who organises lots of events feel its a waste of time advertising on t/f. you lose out as a site in two ways.
1.people wishing to or looking for get togethers go elsewhere so most on this site have no way of meeting up.
2.this creates a lack of banter. its difficult to take the p!ss out of someone you,ve never met, unless they support man city that is.

what you end up with is o/t posts mostly regarding footall because people have something in common. these people myself included then post regular with the same people therefor building a clique.
this needs addressing geeps pronto in my opinion.

[Giles1Participant]

There used to be a lot of good anglers posting on these sites but they dont anymore because of the abuse they receive. Why would they when they ve given their advice freely abd without charge, only to get slated by certain anglers with a chip on their shoulders.

From my point of view, I see no point in warning people about the gimmickery on the market these days because some anglers would rather use a product that has been endorced for purely commercial reasons, than listen someone that can see through all the bullshit. The magazines tend to promote features for the wrong reasons and when certain anglers have had to ask how to fish a method feeder, 2 weeks before they are supposed to be doing a feature on it, then something is wrong somewhere.

Dont get me wrong, there are a few ‘big’ names who have spat their dummies in the past and vowed never to return and good riddens I say.. They only talked rubbish when they were posting anyway. Seemingly so out of touch with fishing matches that it seemed hypocritical to be posting their infinite wisdom on a site where people wanted to learn something. Most anglers are on sites like this to help and people should remember that. Otherwise you will end up with a few regulars that nobody will want to talk to for fear of being slated.

I dare say Ill get some stick for this too..lol, as over the years I ve been slated on many sites for expressing my views. Too many people hide behind usernames and the anonimity gives them confidence to post vitriolic slander toward other users in many cases.

However, in all the years that I have written articles and posted comments, never once have I met anyone that would criticise me to my face on the bank. Says something about the type of people who cause good anglers to stop posting dont it.

[TF_redarmy]

always good to see things told as they really are

[TF_redarmy]

always good to see things told as they really are

[TF_redarmy]

carried away there oops

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

So what would you do Herbie? I think what happened with the club site is proof that taking the users who want to fish matches as a group onto another site isn’t the answer in terms of keeping a community together….

[glen worthingtonParticipant]

Perhaps another point might be ,dont bring OTHER people’s names in to a thread unless they have posted on that thread themselves.Or you have permission to do so.Or you can produce exact “quotes” from them ?

[TF_Gary]

There used to be loads of informal get-togethers organised on this site (I know, I organised one myself), but the problem is that the site got too popular. It was a victim of its own success. Informal get-togethers turned into 60+ peggers that required significant organisation, particularly when so many people would put their name down then ‘do a no show’.

I agree that it does add something to the online community if you also get-together in ‘real life’, but I just do not think that it will work with TF as it is now. By that I mean:
– too many people;
– disparate elements, with the TF Club separate; and
– too much chat about football, darts, politics, etc so have any real fishing banter!

[TF_stevieskin]

gary,
I am not so sure its a numbers thing, after all TA, MFS, MD forums all have busy match calendars. I think the problem lies with the fact no one seems bothered about organising them anymore on here. Like you said, there were always matches going on at one time, but sadly seem to have dwindled to nothing over a period.

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

I would like to ‘fold’ the club into the .com site and I think it could work again that way. There are several things i have in mind that I want to do….

The problem is a boring technical one – the club site is PHP and this is .net and basically they can’t be integrated so I would have to rebuild the club in .net. I’ve not ruled it out by the way, but it’s been a very tough 12 months with having to move the site twice… and getting ripped off twice in the process.

I don’t have the money at the moment. There’s no point spending more money until it’s integrated into the .com site in my opinion…

If I had my time again I wouldn’t have been pursauded to launch a sister site on another platform, but hindsight is 20:20 as they say and frankly back then I didn’t know the difference between PHP and DHP!!!

Anyway, the good news is that the club site is now only a fiver to join, and we are still running the World Series on commercials in the north, south and Midlands in the summer.

Anyone who joins gets a membership card getting them 10% off online purchases at Harrisons.

Club members get 12 months viewing on OnlineFishing.tv for the price of six.

And you need to be a club member to take part in the Glebe Festival in May. Plus we enter the Nationals, and other events like the Supercup if there’s enough interest and someone prepared to organise. So for those who do want to get together for meets etc, it’s worth a fiver in my view…

That’s enough of a plug – if you want to know more go to http://www.total-fishingclub.com .

The good news is that the traffic on the .com site is still fantastic, and I have to thank you guys for that. It would be good if we could all police each other a little – we all want more top anglers on here so if someone is offensive let’s all agree to try and stop it, not just the mods…. if you see something you can always PM me, Paddy, Chavender, Darren, Lee – someone should respond quickly…

Happy New Year!!!!

[TF_herbie]

@Geepster (moderator) wrote:

So what would you do Herbie? I think what happened with the club site is proof that taking the users who want to fish matches as a group onto another site isn’t the answer in terms of keeping a community together….

people will pay club membership just to fish the ACA at the glebe, the national, world series, regardless of where they log on. so bring the club back here. i think no one will worry about that at all. so in a word or two if you want to take part in T/F events you pay a £5 membership fee anualy. create an events t/f page where you can book onto matches but keep the event details on the main page. create a sticky page that appears as page 1 with posts starting on page two. just a thought.

[TF_proper tidal boy]

well put herbie for my two penneth worth

[TF_feeder]

ditto herbie mate.

[TF_Paddy]

Herbie ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap Spot on son

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