Wrong Peg !

[TF_Pikey]

On my winter League today an angler fished from the wrong peg when he thought the peg number on the platform said 11 rather than 10.

Being a “friendly” league I made the decision that it was an “honest” mistake and allowed his weight to stand.

Do you think this was the correct decision ?

[TF_Nigel.]

Yes, provided it didnt give him an advantage, or take fish off another angler, then no harm done, just an honest mistake as you say.

(by the way, i loved your Mickey Mouse joke, been using it all weekend, lol)

[TF_red_hydro]

Yes I do for the reasons you give, you beleive it was a genuine mistake, and like you say it is run as a friendly league.

[Peter1984]

I dont think there is a problem if its an honest mistake, ive done it but becuase i would have won the match the weight was not counted.

[TF_Hillbilly]

You should have disqualified the bugger and booked him in at spec savers.

No seriously the correct decision was made Dave.

[Anonymous]

I have seen this several times and including some big open matches. I have even seen an angler fish the wrong lake and put a match winning weight together. In every case, the angler was disqualified. It is the anglers responsibility to fish his peg and not a different peg by mistake!

[Peter1984]

thats not always the case TB

[TF_Cutnut]

Were they >50 pegs??? Coz some would say unless they were then they don’t count…..~clap

[Anonymous]

Its always been the case in every match i have fished, Peter! I have fished maybe a thousand plus opens!

[TF_noda]

well done pikey

[woodhouse]

On some venues you cant see the pegs never mind read them.

[Peter1984]

Good for you! I too have fished a few opens, let me put this too you then;

Angler draws his peg, 68 pegs in the bag all handwritten, angler draws peg 47, but has been written on the drawsheet peg 48 by the organiser ….whos the one in the wrong? This one was personal experience.

[Anonymous]

If 47 is drawn by the angler then that is the peg that should be fished, Peter. I have seen some stupid things done over the years in matches, including things like weights being written down wrongly on the weight sheet. In every case. It is the anglers responsibility to make sure that things are recorded correctly. This also includes fishing the correct peg. Your fishing for money/prizes and so everything has to be seen to be above board. Even if its a genuine mistake!

[Peter1984]

You and me both Steve, I agree everything has to be seen as above board, but genuine mistakes are made, so is it right to be disqualified if its not the anglers mistake?

Obviously this isnt the case for the above in regards to Pikeys decision, so im going O/T a little.

[Anonymous]

Same situation with many things in match fishing. As another example, the weight the scales man calls should be double checked by the angler who,s fish are being weighted. In all cases. It is the anglers responsibility to double check everything, Peter.

There is no problem if its a friendly match where the angler has not been in a position to win any money/prizes. In a team event. Fishing the wrong peg can change the result of the league and cost other angler money/prizes. If it is effecting others. The angler has to be disqualified or it can quickly leave a bad taste on some anglers mouths!

[TF_milomadness]

pikey was the angler firstly disqualifed then his weight reinstated ??

[Peter1984]

Granted, Steve.

[TF_ScottT]

Pikey, friendly league or not, if he had won the match would you have let him away with it?
If you do then whats to say someone else wont fish the wrong peg next time.
It just opens a can of worms that at some point will come back to haunt you, what happens if the outcome of your winter league gets decided by someone winning from the wrong peg?

[TF_Honest]

If I was beaten for points or money by a guy fishing the incorrect peg (no matter who’s fault) then I would insist on his disqualification. Contests are what they say they are “that is competitions”, if you don’t wish these things to matter then go pleasure fish.

What would happen if this guy “accidentally” fed and fished a banned bait, as a geniune mistake of course.

I fished a club match once, and one guy landed a large carp out of his peg, by some way. He did not frame but beat me by 1 point, I asked for his weight to be nulled as this point would have prevented me from winning the aggregate, as my nearest rival was only a single point behind me.

Remember Ian Woosnam being docked a couple of shots just because his caddy could not count the correct amount of clubs in a bag !!!

It’s an easy decision for me, rules is rules

[Anonymous]

I have nothing against Pikey, even if thats true that it was him. From everything i know about Pikey. He is very honest and it was a genuine mistake. However, i think his fish should not be weighed in! If i fished the wrong peg. I would expect to be disqualified!

[TF_BacseyParticipant]

I am the angler in question,i walked straight to the peg and the number on the platform looked like number 11 which was the peg number i drew,ive never fished the lake before and was pointed in the right direction.The 0 on the peg had been worn and looked like a one it was only written in black marker on plastic.as i said before i had less room in the peg i fished.The pegs numbers should be clear is that also the anglers resposability.Why would i fish a peg with less room on purpose.

[TF_Nigel.]

I have only fished the wrong peg once.
Walking to my peg, (33 House, flyer!) i said to the guy what peg are you on mate, and he said 31, so i walked 2 pegs and sat down and fished my match. At the end, stood behind my peg and saw the no, 34! the guy was on 32 and in turn put me on the wrong peg!
Nowt was aid at the weigh in, as the flyer 33 inbetweeen us had been left empty!

33 is my lucky number too, lol.

[TF_Honest]

@Bacsey wrote:

I am the angler in question,i walked straight to the peg and the number on the platform looked like number 11 which was the peg number i drew,ive never fished the lake before and was pointed in the right direction.The 0 on the peg had been worn and looked like a one it was only written in black marker on plastic.as i said before i had less room in the peg i fished.The pegs numbers should be clear is that also the anglers resposability.Why would i fish a peg with less room on purpose.

I am in no doubt that it was a geniune mistake Bacsey. However, it is a competition, with rules.

Therfore, should you break the rules inadvertantly your weight should not count IMO.

I feel sorry that your day was ruined, but you must be able to see that your weight could affect the overall league, and may cost someone the prestige and prize of winning.

A friend of mine had another anglers feed pellets in his carryall on a white acres festival. During a bait check, he was over the limit with a handfull of pellets, that were not even his !! End result disqualification

[Anonymous]

thats all very well when the pegs are clearly marked..but when they are not, that leads to confusion~think
pikey made the decision,whether he was right or wrong at the end of the day the decision stands … and as far as i’m concerned it was the right one.

[TF_BacseyParticipant]

Its a sad time when people know your in the wrong peg and dont tell you,ive learnt a lot about some fellow anglers today.

[TF_Honest]

your spot on mate, if they new you were on the wrong peg, and never said nowt then they are lowlife.

[Anonymous]

I have had the same problem with peg numbers, including at White Acres in festivals where there is no numbers on any pegs (Stupid holiday makers pinch them!). Its always your responsibility to work out which is the correct peg. If your unsure. Get the match organizer to sort out which is the correct peg. I know its a pain in the ass and might give you a disadvantage with time to set up and be ready to fish at the start of the match. However, that is what you have to do or expect to be disqualified. Personally, if i fished the wrong peg. I would not want other anglers from other teams who can easily be disadvantaged talking behind my back about this mistake. Costing them money and a league win, potentially. Thats the reality of it!

If its only a friendly match. Then you fished the wrong peg, Bacsey. Its only your opinion that the peg you fished was not as good as the peg you should have fished. Fish sometimes turn up in strange places so its no excuse. The rules where broken. So insist that your weigh is disqualified. There is no harm done to anybody except yourself then. Oh, and your team. We all learn from mistakes!

[TF_TonyCurd]

Funny how they only spout off to people when you’ve beaten them though isn’t it? They probably knew all day long and didn’t bother to say anything. At the end of the day, regularly match fished fisheries should ALL permanently peg their lakes. I couldn’t find my own peg at Willinghurst on Horsehoe Lake the other week either, Black felt tip pen doesn’t count as a permanent peg number!!

[Anonymous]

exactly that tony,especialy when there are two peg 4’s and two peg 15’s on the same lake……..

[TF_mp.milo]

It was me who noticed Daves peg whilst looking round the lake,as you do while waiting for the tip to fly round. (which it didnt)
That was about 2.oclock.Didnt occur to me before that to be honest.I said to one of the lake managers when he came up to my peg, to have a word with dave on his way round.

Im not a person that would let somebody fish all day on the wrong peg and not say anything.He works for his money same as me and doesnt need me wasting £25 on purpose.If i had noticed earlier i would have said.

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

Difficult one this….Dave(Danish) is a good angler and a nice geezer,and i know he wouldnt fish the wrong peg on purpose.If Dave says the peg looked like no 11,then you really do have a proplem.But rules are rules.They are not made to be broken.We have all seen anglers lose matches(money and prestige)by having too many fish in one net.That is because it is a rule.You cant change them.But that said poor old David has made his decision,and right or wrong thats it as far as i am concerned……Incidently it has been said that i have been fishing the wrong peg many times,but that has something to do with my casting ability….lol ~think ~think ~think ~think

[TF_jaap stam]

seems like a genuine mistake,and if after looking at the peg,pikey as organiser has made a decision.

[TF_toplights]

I am shure this was an honest mistake by Bacsey,and as he will know this is a friendly league,while I cant agree with Pikeys decision it has now been made.Problem i have with it all is how it effects the other teams points wise,not my team i might add,its a hard one and very unfortunate to all concerned.Now i feel sorry for Pikey and thats a first.lol

[TF_proper tidal boy]

I WISH I HAD FISHED ANOTHER PEG ? L O L

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

@proper tidal boy wrote:

I WISH I HAD FISHED ANOTHER PEG ? L O L

~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap PMSL BRAINS ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_Pikey]

How can anyone blank from Peg 5 on Pittance – it has probably won more matches than any other peg on the lake ! Did he try any bait on the hook ?

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

Dave….He was trying that old “stand up and wait for the rod to go off the rest” routine…..God knows where he learnt that trick from?….lol.
Apparently it did work for our very own Jeff Dickinson on Sunday,but he did it right…..You have to have your back to the lake…….he he.

[TF_jaap stam]

thinking about this,pikey should never had to make a decision,this should have been made by the team captains,as it was a team event.

[TF_toplights]

@jaap stam wrote:

thinking about this,pikey should never had to make a decision,this should have been made by the team captains,as it was a team event.

Never thought of that,problem is this league was started by a group of anglers fed up with winter league type custom and practices.

[TF_MARKHLDAS]

~think I don’t see what the problem is, many a Willy regular will sit on the right peg but still utilise the other pegs around them, especially the anglers from Molloys Mob~hand

[TF_toplights]

In other words more Angler friendly,

[pellethead76]

this wrong peg caper happend on the heronbrook winterleague last week this aint a 40 pegger this is 110 plus pegs and when the weigh in came 2 lads were sitting on the wrong pegs on specimen lake i think there weights still counted not 2 sure as i had beaten the 2 of them so it didnt affect me section points wise but if it had i would of kicked off big time personally i would of put them last in section

i had the same scenario as the lad who fished the wrong peg drew my peg on sunday 37 turns up asked the fella what peg he was on he said 35 looked at the numbers on the pegs and they went 36/38 no peg 37 the fella told me to sit in the middle on the mud to which i thought fook that and went and asked neil the organiser to which he then said the pallet was damaged and they removed it and i was to sit on the mud in the middle to all of 5mins to go and ask the owner

[TF_Fred Davis]

Disqualification should have been enforced, if the angler was unsure he should have asked the chap at the next peg what his number peg was, once you start down the slope of leniancy as a match organiser, anglers will be calling you “the organiser” a crook, allowing some things not other’s,not only will you be accused of favouritism what next? what if the angler is using a banned bait he pleads ignorance? Again what if he won the match? I know organisers let it go if “it don’t affect results” thats not the issue, if you let it go when it doesn’t affect results then you must let it go when it does, get a grip Pikey enforce the rules otherwise you’l make a rod for your own back in the future, I have seen so called friendly leaques get a bit nasty over irregularities. Anglers like leadership from there match organisers Firm, Fair and Friendly (but not too friendly) is the way to manage comp’s. :¬)

As your’s is a team match/leaque maybe a more democratic approach as opposed to the macavelian approach you use to solve the problem may be more appropriate for ex:- a vote by the team captains on the issue?

[Anonymous]

how about all team points are scrapped …and we call it a draw ?? ..lol

[TF_proper tidal boy]

Pikey cant see what the problem is YOU RUN THE LEAGUE, YOUVE MADE THE FINAL DECISION, END OFF ?????

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

@MARKHLDAS wrote:

~think I don’t see what the problem is, many a Willy regular will sit on the right peg but still utilise the other pegs around them, especially the anglers from Molloys Mob~hand

~naughty ~naughty ~naughty Steady my old son….What are you trying to say here?……Where ever did you get that idea from?…..That is bordering on slander.Pikey i protest at this kind of statement from your mates…..lol~naughty ~naughty ~naughty

[Anonymous]

exactly that mick…i see a law suit is in order !!~naughty ~naughty

[Anonymous]

DAVE, I know what its like to fish the wrong peg and its a killer when you relise it chin up mate just remember who was pegged next to you and get your own back one day !!

(I MUST HAVE FISHED THE WRONG LAKE YESTERDAY)
They told me there were no fish in it !!
~think ~think

[TF_Daiwa pro]

Jason you knob, do some work~naughty ~naughty

[TF_FBlues]

There are two points that coincide with my thoughts already posted:

The pegs should be clearly marked, they are NOT.

It was an honest error.

Pikey has made the correct decision, whether the outcome of the match was affected or not. It is a league fished mainly by mates and, as such, should remain so. Disqualifying the ‘offender’, who I don’t really know so have no emotion regarding it, would have caused rancour and discomfort between people who may have been mates for years and that would be unpleasant for all concerned. Maybe it’s because my experience of club fishing is that most club matches are run by little Hitlers who can’t win and equally can’t wait to disqualify anyone that can is what is colouring my thoughts, completely underlined by Fred’s post. A club angling union man: what a combination! Sorry, Fred, it’s not personal, but I have only had minor brushes with unions and, whilst they may do much good in some ways, they also have a habit of making massive drama out of minor incidents.

Great work Pikey, hard luck Bacsey; not because you fished the wrong peg but because your moral turpitude has been called into question by people that were not within 200 miles of the event and have met you even less than I.

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

Here we go…..This is becoming a major issue lads…..The decision has been made….Lets just drop it now before words are said,that cannot be forgotten.We are all mates who fished this match,and i for one dont want any ill feeling creeping into Daves brilliant run matches………END OFF.

[TF_Fred Davis]

See the bickering has started lol

remember

Firm, Fair and Friendly (but not to friendly)

You can’t be everyones mate Dave or you’l end up upsetting a few :¬)

However having made the dicission stick to it like glue! :¬)

[Anonymous]

@Daiwa pro wrote:

Jason you knob, do some work~naughty ~naughty

thats rich coming from you !! you still fishing or give it up as you couldn’t work it out.~think ~think ~think

[Anonymous]

FBlues wrote:

There are two points that coincide with my thoughts already posted:

The pegs should be clearly marked, they are NOT.

It was an honest error.

Pikey has made the correct decision, whether the outcome of the match was affected or not. It is a league fished mainly by mates and, as such, should remain so. Disqualifying the ‘offender’, who I don’t really know so have no emotion regarding it, would have caused rancour and discomfort between people who may have been mates for years and that would be unpleasant for all concerned. Maybe it’s because my experience of club fishing is that most club matches are run by little Hitlers who can’t win and equally can’t wait to disqualify anyone that can is what is colouring my thoughts, completely underlined by Fred’s post. A club angling union man: what a combination! Sorry, Fred, it’s not personal, but I have only had minor brushes with unions and, whilst they may do much good in some ways, they also have a habit of making massive drama out of minor incidents.

Great work Pikey, hard luck Bacsey]

exactly that kieth …~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_Daiwa pro]

oi mate The Guildford massive pulled out a Dorking performace yesterday 78 points from 90, that good angling MOI SON~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_Fred Davis]

Squeaky I am deffinately not a Union man lol Joking asside and don’t take my comments too seriously as I do tend to post to provoke thoughts and comments from other posters, Pikeys made the right decission it’s a nice friendly leaque and as it doesn’t affect results so theres not a problem, however it is food for thought and comment for any future occasion when it might have mattered which I think Dave was really after.

[Anonymous]

fred…sorry mate it wasn’t a dig,what i was agreeing with kieth is the peg comment about the lack of being clearly numbered…

[daiwadavidParticipant]

Personally i think the angler in question should have had his weight disqualified and his entry fee refunded and received an apolgy from the match organiser who should have checked the peg numbers were readable before the draw. End of!!

[TF_Pikey]

Daiwadavid – Do you run a lot of matches ?

The venue is permanently pegged – Would you expect the organiser to walk round 5 lakes before the draw to make sure that all the numbers were readable ?

[woodhouse]

@Pikey wrote:

Daiwadavid – Do you run a lot of matches ?

The venue is permanently pegged – Would you expect the organiser to walk round 5 lakes before the draw to make sure that all the numbers were readable ?

No….I would expect the owners too!

[TF_robbo]

I think Pikey has clearly done the honest and honourable thing. I can’t think of ANY other allowable excuse for fishing the wrong peg other than it being incorrectly marked -either by accident or -as in this case -because of a little weathering.

It’s genuinely nobodies fault, so nobody should be penalised.

[TF_redarmy]

pikey with your little legs and advancing years i dont think you would make it round 5 lakes

[TF_Hillbilly]

I have noticed that on many commercials the peg numbers are either difficult to read/find or in a lot of cases non existent other than on odd swims. Surely this is down to bad housekeeping by the fisheries and maybe if enough anglers complained they would be forced to do something about it.

[TF_pete bennett]

Hillbilly – if you complain at some fisheries then you get told you’re a moaner or to do the work yourself!

[TF_robbo]

Sounds like you are talking from unhappy experience there Pete!

[TF_pete bennett]

You’d be right robbo!!

[TF_Fred Davis]

No problem Sqeaky it was Keith who called me a club angling Union man,( for the record I was a senior manager not a union rep ) maybe he didn’t realise that my comments were said tongue in cheek, or maybe he did, he also said it wasn’t anything personal, however I have come to the conclussion, like lots of other anglers, that if it ain’t Keith’s opinion it ain’t right. You’d think working in an angling shop as a sales assistant and a sales rep he would have learnt by now the customer is always right, however judging by the attitude that shops gave us many moons ago maybe I aint so surprised, However I supose once a salesman always a salesman, nothing personal of course :¬)

[TF_FBlues]

So you weren’t IN the union then Fred? And, trust me, the customer is very far from right on many occasions as this site proves time without number. I at least had the benefit of being on the match and I don’t give a flying f*ck who agrees or disagrees with my opinions or not but they are right as far as my opinions go: if they were wrong I’d have a different one.

I certainly didn’t read your comments as tongue in cheek Fred, isn’t that what the stupid LOL thing is for? I read them as a comment from someone who has run and fished lots of club matches and been in a union.

In fact I have just read your original post again and there is no hint whatsoever of it being anything other than straight.

This entire matter is of no business or consequence to anyone who wasn’t there and would have been better kept in-house. I suspect Pikey only posted the matter to keep all competitors aware.

[TF_proper tidal boy]

Well mr pikey it seems that from this thread one point has raised its head ref peg numbers, or illegible ones on certain lakes from 6 or 7 individuals who use the site akka willy. Maybe you in your organising role could have a word with terry or mick to alleviate this prob out. so it doesnt happen again.?????? PS Fred, kieth is really Arthur Scargill in disguise l o l

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

I don’t see what all the fuss is about. If the blokes kosher, what is the problem?

[TF_MARKHLDAS]

@redarmy wrote:

pikey with your little legs and advancing years i dont think you would make it round 5 lakes

John, Pikey does so much walking in winter matches that he SHOULD be checking the numbers on the pallets as he goes

[TF_proper tidal boy]

pmsl nice one hathers

[TF_BacseyParticipant]

I would like to thank the many people that have supported me on this matter,just a bit sorry about all the friction,please can we get back to what matters and thats anglers ability to win leagues,and lets all engoy the rest of the league.

[TF_Pikey]

Dave – Just to get one thing straight.
No matter what you think or have been told, nobody knew you were on the wrong peg until Terry Cod came round and spoke to you.

Marcus originally spotted the error when instead of watching his rod for a bite, (he says he was bored) and looking at the far bank, wondered why I had left a two peg gap between all the pegs on your bank except your one.

Lots of things are said by anglers as a wind up but sometimes they don’t realise what damage they are doing as people often take what they say as the truth.

[TF_BacseyParticipant]

whatever Dave,im sorry again for putting you in such a position.

[TF_Pikey]

It isn’t a problem that is what sometimes happens when you organise matches – if it worried me then I wouldn’t do it.

Just don’t want you thinking that people knew about the error earlier in the match and just didn’t tell you – cos I know that isn’t true.

[Anonymous]

thats a fair comment dave(pikey),cos if they knew from the begining the willinghurst lot would of told you straight from the off and it will go somthing like this….”YOUR ON THE WRONG PEG YOU EFFING MUPPETT”…lol, true ??

[TF_MARKHLDAS]

Or Squeeks, like the Framfield ‘massive’ last Wednesday who waited until 2pm before telling me I was breaking a rule by fishing to the empty platform at the next peg. Why wait 4 hours!!!!

[TF_BacseyParticipant]

Ok Dave,Marcus has rung me and clearead his side of events up.We are cool,but heard a team may be pulling out,finding that a bit bizar. ~think

[TF_Nigel.]

IF mr Bacsey got caught cheating, then he is disquilified, but he didnt, he fished a peg that had a worn out number on it, just a dead honest mistake.
IF an angler was doing this regualy, tying to pull the wool over our eyes, (we have one round here!) then he would be in trouble.
It hapend here last year, a peg has been taken out under the power cables, and he didnt realise, and just fished the next peg.
When its evey other peg, as it was yesterday at Willy, it doesent affect anyone, as there are the same amount of fish in your area.

As for peg nos, its a pain in the arse to be honest, on my wooden platforms (that Pete Bennett built by the way!) the numbers are nailed on, but on the concrete pegs they are in the grass, and get overgrown, thrown in, and generaly go missing!

[TF_Pikey]

Like I said earlier, people just say things to wind people up. THERE ARE NO TEAMS DROPPING OUT OF THE LEAGUE BECAUSE OF YESTERDAYS EVENTS.

[Anonymous]

Mistakes are made all the time no one is 100%.

[TF_BacseyParticipant]

Fair dooes Dave,i would .be very upset if it was the case.I wont listen to any more wind ups and let my fishing do the talking from now on.

[TF_FBlues]

It’s all gone quiet then Bacsey. LOL.

[TF_pete bennett]

Nige – hope the pegs are all still level lolol.

When you had them built, you made an effort to get them all numbered properley…..you didn’t just tosh white emulsion on them that would last no time at all!!

As for the numbers going missing on the concrete pegs, blame the carpers!! Remember when i went to put the last platform in and they had burnt the legs?? Tits!! lolol

[Anonymous]

Would those friendly anglers who fished in this league have been so happy to let the angler weigh in and have his result count if he had won the match from the wrong peg and you where first out of the money or the result stopped your team from winning the league? I think not!!! A friendly club match or a world championship match. The rules where not followed and so the anglers result should not count.

[TF_feeder]

zzzzzzzzzzz.lol

[TF_Pikey]

True Blue – Possibly not. However, the league isn’t fished by win at all costs anglers so maybe they wouldn’t want him disqualified for an honest mistake.

The result could stop my team from winning the league as we are now a point behind the leaders instead of being level if the angler had been disqualified.

[TF_noda]

pikey you run it as a fun get together pity there aint more peeps like you well done mate

[TF_feeder]

ditto noda dave.

[TF_FBlues]

True Blue: I fished it, I’ve fished more matches and probably won more matches than you, certainly big, proper matches and it didn’t worry me one bit as it was a completely honest, genuine mistake and if he’d have won I’d have had a right laugh at him. And I hardly know the bloke, apart from drawing opposite him the other week. Now go back to something else that doesn’t concern you and let Pikey run HIS league how HE wants to.

[TF_Pikey]

Chaps – Don’t get me wrong, it’s not a “Fun Get Together” it’s a league for 48 match anglers most of whom like to fish together, don’t take it as seriously as most of the top anglers who have a win at all costs attitude. The only reward for winning the league as a team is a cap and the bragging rights until next year.

[Anonymous]

Im not having a go at you, Pikey. You where put in a very difficult situation. Especially as following the basic rules of match fishing and disqualifying that weight does effect the league and you individually as the organizer of the league and a member of a team involved in the league. You could have been seen to benefit your team if you had followed the basic rules of match fishing and disqualified the angler! Maybe all captains should have had a chance to have a vote anonyously and if one captain voted to disqualify the angler. Then so be it.

I also feel sorry for the angler concerned for not following the rules by making such a basic mistake but he still broke the rules. Its every anglers own responsibility to follow all the rules in matches. If you dont. Then expect to be disqualified. You would expect other to be disqualified if they broke other rules! He should do the honorable thing and expect to have his result disqualified. If this is not the case. Then this is not such a friendly league is it!

[TF_noda]

tb you sound a very bitter man and you dont fish it open a can and chillout lol

[TF_ScottT]

I think we are getting away from the main point here.
Pikey asked the question;
“Do you think this was the correct decision ?”

He must have gave it some thought before he posted that question, otherwise why ask?
If the match/league is a friendy series then providing no-one objected to Bacsey then yes Pikey did the right thing.

The point Trueblue and a few others have made is that under a normal type match then this just wouldnt be acceptable.
Theres a huge difference between a genuine honest mistake and a mistake, and there are enough anglers out there who would try it on if they thought they could get away with it.

For a friendly match where most people know each other and it is taken light hearted then yes he made the right decision and no doubt Bacsey will suffer the pi$$ taking for the rest of the series.
But for a normal run open and if Pikey was to run matches where people got away with things like this, then it wouldnt be right.

Bacsey you made a simple mistake and probably wont be allowed to forget it for a while, but you did nothing wrong.

Pikey asked a question, plenty gave an answer, why turn it into a witch hunt because some people dissagree with what he did? I could imagine the reaction on here if it was TB that had done this instead of Pikey!

[Anonymous]

Kieth, i know that you fished in it. I was surprised at you post when i read it. You consider yourself to be a match angler and so expect to follow all rules. I am also sure that you have seen this same situation several times before. I personally have seen this happen several times before and have never seen an angler not get disqualified. Have you? I know you say its just a friendly match. Clearly it is not such a friendly match or the angler concerned would have expected to be disqualified or disqualify himself. Match fishing rules are rule match and should be followed. They are in place for good reasons normally. Even in a friendly club match. Im sure you would have disqualified yourself, if you had made such as stupid mistake, Kieth!

[TF_FBlues]

By the way, he wasn’t the only angler who sat on the wrong peg because of poorly-marked platforms. Luckily Pikey saw the other before the start and asked him to move, which of course he did.

I’ve been on TWO Angling Times semi-finals where MY PEG has been moved before I’ve got to it. One was MANY years ago and I finished up 8.5 yards above Billy Knott whilst the angler above me had 43 yards and he won the match and, as the semi was on weight, so did his team. The other was more recent, on a canal, and my peg was thrown into the canal (I was late because of travelling from London after work). The person who moved it had changed his peg to be BANG OPPOSITE the only feature on the section, with 35m either side of him. I was in John Raisons’s team and he walked to my peg with me (he wasn’t fishing) and asked the bloke, who he knew, to shift up. He did, slightly, and once again I ended up with the shortest peg on the match. I was next to Dean Barlow, who can confirm everything I’ve said. Luckily cheats didn’t prosper on that occasion.

That is very different from sitting on a badly marked peg with a virtually illegible number!

[TF_FBlues]

I would have offered, True Blue, but as this is a FRIENDLY SERIES and as far as I know, NOT ONE PERSON WHO WAS THERE OBJECTED TO THE DECISION, I doubt if my offer would have been accepted as it would have been a GENUINE MISTAKE made possible by POORLY MARKED PEGS. I understand that he should have been on 11 and the 0 on the 10 had been more or less wiped off so it looked like 1(.

I don’t ever recall seeing an angler disqualified for sitting in the wrong peg because I have never been in a situation where the mistake wasn’t known before the match, usually because every peg would be in and someone else would want the ‘wrong’ peg. It’s also not as if the numbers are logical: I was on 16, between 1 and 15A, a new peg. The first peg on that bank used to be 15 and the angler who erroneously sat on the wrong peg (15 instead of 14) had been told that the first peg on ‘his’ bank was 15, so he’d be next to it. Well, 15A has since appeared. The number on my peg was in black felt tip pen, and had been for some time, in the very centre of the front cross member, in numbers maybe 3cm high, between the chicken wire. If it had been frosty it would have been covered. I didn’t see it myself until Pikey pointed it out.

[TF_Swimfeeder]

Is this the offending peg?

[TF_Pikey]

Keith – The reason that Bubs originally sat on the wrong peg (opposite you) on sunday was because he assumed that if you were 16 then the next one round would be 15 (when in fact it was 15A). When I told him he was on peg 15 he looked down and said oh yes it says 15 on it !

I do agree though that the platforms on both Horseshoe and Old lake need more obvious peg numbers and I have raised this with the fishery management.

[TF_FBlues]

And, as you quote ‘rules’ True Blue, here is THE rule from the NFA Model Match Rules.

7. No competitor may move his/her peg or exchange his/her peg or draw card with another without the organiser’s official consent.

I think we will agree that the organiser gave his consent, albeit maybe 7 hours late. It isn’t down to captains, former managers or Evertonians who were miles away.

[TF_FBlues]

Pikey. I was there and he had to look PRETTY HARD before he found that number!

[Anonymous]

I know of similar situations Keith. That includes an international anglers being involved in pegs being moved. very sickening, Keith!

The point is that rules are rules in match fishing at any level. Its our own responsibility to follow the rules and make sure that we fish our own peg. If we are not. Then expect to be disqualified. I dont have anything against the angler who fished the wrong peg in the league match or Pikey who organized it. Maybe if it was just a question put by Pikey and not something that happened this weekend with individuals involved. Then maybe some might have given different answers.

[TF_Pikey]

I know but it was there !

You were right about what the number on Dave’s peg looked like and whilst I agreed that it was not clear I did also say that if I’d seen it I would just have had a look at the pegs either side as they were as clear as a clear thing !

[TF_FBlues]

So what do you think Pikey would do next time, if the same thing happened? In my opinion the matter was closed yesterday and shouldn’t have been aired on here anyway but it has and the outcome has been lots of pontification. I will BET I can go on any match and see Model Match Rules being broken, especially the one about mobile phones. I’ll tell you what’s wrong with them: it only mentions the rules, not the punishment. There is NOWHERE in the rules where it says anyone should be disqualified, only what you should or shouldn’t do. When I helped run a league that was NOT the case. Any of the league rules that were broken had clear penalties invoked. This situation couldn’t have arisen though because we pegged in lines with no gaps. Anyone sitting in the wrong peg in their team was on the wrong section and that penalty was d/q. As was leaving the peg for a walk. Anyone going home early and the WHOLE TEAM were d/qd. It didn’t happen often.

[TF_robbo]

Still struggling to see WTF this has to do with anyone who wasn’t there and isn’t involved.

[TF_teabag]

@FBlues wrote:

So what do you think Pikey would do next time, if the same thing happened? In my opinion the matter was closed yesterday and shouldn’t have been aired on here anyway but it has and the outcome has been lots of pontification. I will BET I can go on any match and see Model Match Rules being broken, especially the one about mobile phones. I’ll tell you what’s wrong with them: it only mentions the rules, not the punishment. There is NOWHERE in the rules where it says anyone should be disqualified, only what you should or shouldn’t do. When I helped run a league that was NOT the case. Any of the league rules that were broken had clear penalties invoked. This situation couldn’t have arisen though because we pegged in lines with no gaps. Anyone sitting in the wrong peg in their team was on the wrong section and that penalty was d/q. As was leaving the peg for a walk. Anyone going home early and the WHOLE TEAM were d/qd. It didn’t happen often.

new rule for Pikey. lol

[Anonymous]

Did you fish it robbo? Its simply a discussion created by Pikey,s question, mate. Thats one of the ideas behind forums!

[TF_Pikey]

Keith – The matter was dealt with yesterday when I made my decision. However, when some of us were chatting after the results had been announced and most had gone home, a few people said they thought the angler should have been disqualified. I just wondered what others thought I should have done and as you can see as with most things in life the “Jury” is split.

I bet everyone checks their pegs on the next round though !

Robbo – I think that is a bit harsh as I asked people to comment without the proviso that they had to be there !

[TF_mp.milo]

Fblues said “In my opinion the matter was closed yesterday and shouldn’t have been aired on here anyway “. Well said.

[TF_Pikey]

Trueblue – I don’t have a problem with anything you have said.I asked for peoples opinions and that is what you have given. Whether I agree with your comments is another matter but as you say, that is what Forums are about.

Teabag – I might introduce a rule that it is compulsory that you have to go for a walk on my matches ! LOL

[Anonymous]

I think thats a great point, Pikey about rumblings behind the scene and it was what i did expect. Others felt that it was wrong to not disqualify the angler concerned in your match. Something like this does often create bad feeling and so thats why i feel that the angler concerned should have taken the difficult problem out of your hands and disqualified himself. The only way that your choice to not disqualify the angler should have stood. Was if every captain agreed to let this one pass. Difficult i know if your trying to keep things as friendly as possible. However, its match fishing and money and prizes are up for grabs! So, the rules have to be followed as best as possible unless you get full backing from all the anglers concerned!

[TF_Fordy]

Some people would start a row in a room on their own……

It’s Dave’s league. He’s the organiser and is happy with the outcome.

Thankfully there is no committee to hold a six-hour meeting to discuss it and come up with a new resolution for the next AGM, leading to the resignation of the fixture secretary and his sister, who always makes the cakes for the meetings but won’t any more after what they said about the way she paints the peg numbers on.

Debate is understandable. But it wasn’t an international, multi-thousand pound event. It was a glorified knock-up between some mates.

I feel there are occasions when certain people lose their grip on reality on this forum…..

[TF_Pikey]

Most teams in the league don’t have a Captain !
All a “Captain” does is fill in the team sheet and pick two balls out of a bag to draw. The person who does this for each team varies from match to match !

[Anonymous]

What if it happens again in the next round with another angler?

[TF_Fordy]

I expect a public flogging for the pegging secretary.

[TF_Pikey]

Oi – How dare you call my prestigeous Winter League a “Glorified knock up between mates” !

[TF_Fordy]

Well they were your mates until this pegging DEBACLE.

I’m suprised the NFA haven’t prosecuted you yet.

[Daddy BParticipant]

Having known the “offender” for the best part of 20yrs I would say this is definitely a genuine error, as he has trouble recognising any number higher than two !

[TF_Pikey]

Dave – Yes but he drew Peg 11 so only needed to recognise two ones !

[TF_robbo]

I do apologise, I hadn’t realised that I wasn’t entitled to an opinion.

[TF_Pikey]

You can’t tell people not to comment on my thread when I’ve asked them to !

Go and start your own thread then you can make the rules ! LOL

[Anonymous]

Interesting robbo. You have an opinion that we should not have an opinion on this forum. Unless its your opinion not to post an opinion. lol

[TF_youngy]

beats working this lads!..nice one

[TF_robbo]

@TrueBlue wrote:

Did you fish it robbo? Its simply a discussion created by Pikey,s question, mate. Thats one of the ideas behind forums!

No, I didn’t fish it, and my opinion is that it is nothing to do with anyone who wasn’t there. I think that’s relatively clear and unambiguous.

Of course people are ENTITLED to a view, and they are entitled to air that view.

Dave is prefectly entitled to post the thread and people have very right to argue the toss -as have I -but when it comes right down to it, it really is nothing to do with anyone who isn’t directly involved. Is THAT clear enough?

[TF_carpcruncherParticipant]

@Pikey wrote:

Keith – The reason that Bubs originally sat on the wrong peg (opposite you) on sunday was because he assumed that if you were 16 then the next one round would be 15 (when in fact it was 15A). When I told him he was on peg 15 he looked down and said oh yes it says 15 on it !

I do agree though that the platforms on both Horseshoe and Old lake need more obvious peg numbers and I have raised this with the fishery management.

Why is it that venues have pegs saying things like 15a , why not just make it peg 16 and so on.
Makins has it there aswell??

[Anonymous]

cc..that’s too easy,we like things a little tough at willinghurst,the fishing,the right peg number, woman the food….~sick

[TF_Pikey]

cc – It is because they put in some more pegs on the lake but didn’t alter the original pegging. Therefore the new peg next to 15 became 15A as they already had a 16. They really need to repeg the lake 1-20.

[Anonymous]

on top lake,we have an area we call the bomb hole with pegs 1a and 1 and peg 2,if you drew on peg 1 you get the choice of either peg 1a and peg1 but not on the other lakes..which seems a little odd to me,par say peg 15 and 15a on horse shoe~think

[TF_proper tidal boy]

@Pikey wrote:

cc – It is because they put in some more pegs on the lake but didn’t alter the original pegging. Therefore the new peg next to 15 became 15A as they already had a 16. They really need to repeg the lake 1-20.

~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

Wheres peg 11 on Horseshoe?……..Any one know?…..lol

[TF_Pikey]

It is between 10 and 12 and has a number 11 written on the platform.

[TF_toplights]

@Pikey wrote:

Chaps – Don’t get me wrong, it’s not a “Fun Get Together” it’s a league for 48 match anglers most of whom like to fish together, don’t take it as seriously as most of the top anglers who have a win at all costs attitude. The only reward for winning the league as a team is a cap and the bragging rights until next year.

CAP Wot Cap? dont remember any cap.

[Anonymous]

its a dutch one….

[Anonymous]

Those of you stating that the wrong decision was taken, clearly havent fished at many commercials, coz the amount Ive seen with missing peg numbers, worn out peg numbers, pegs with A’s added coz they couldn’t be bothered to re number all the pegs when they’ve added one, etc, is so numerous, Im surprised anyone manages to fish their right peg.
If everyone who wasnt sure if they were fishing their right peg went to ask the match organiser, then you’d never get the match underway.
So, I ask you, how can it be the anglers responsibility? The peggings not clear, theres A’s added to peg numbers, the guy made a mistake due to bad pegging.
Sometiems match anglers make me sick with their whining and wanting all disqualified for anything, when this was quite clearly a mistake. Its not a job, you’re not making a living from it, its a bit of fun to relieve the stress/boredom out of life. Fishing will never be a serious sport coz you’ll never achieve owt from the amateur approach taken. So get a life, accept that the poor chap concerned made an honest mistake and move on. Well done, Pikey, I salute you mate, a bit of common sense in a sport awash with plonkers who think its the end of the World.
Money and prizes, what a cap ???
Best thing for angling would be to take out the dosh, make it far more friendly and fun, spoils the whole thing.
Just my own opinion, of course, but look out the window, everyones losing jobs, and your making a big deal out of some poor chap who made an honest mistake??

[TF_toplights]

I think Pikey’s getting mixed up with the Masters Sqeeks,not a lot of people have one.
Masters Hat that is.

[Anonymous]

couldn’t have said it better myself,life is to short and friends are to hard to come by to take this shit so seriously

[TF_Pikey]

Malcolm – I don’ think I do “mixed up” – Only one team has won this league in the two years it has run so far and that is THE MIGHTY LEATHERHEAD ! The winners this year will all receive a cap.

I will except your apology.

[Anonymous]

if the cap fits…lol

[Anonymous]

exactly that pebs…

[Anonymous]

Pebisit, i almost agree with what you say if the match is at club level. Take the money out of club matches and similar knock up leagues apart from the cost of peg fees and a few medals and you have a friendly match that can cater for mistakes like anglers fishing the wrong peg. Its just a great reason to take the piss out of the angler concerned,then. Once there is money at stake. It becomes serious for many anglers and rightly so in my opinion. Most experienced open match anglers would expect to be disqualified for fishing the wrong peg and many would simply tip there fish back. However many would complain if an angler was allowed to weigh in, especially if they where going to be beaten by the angler fishing the wrong peg or if its going to effect the final results in a league.

[Anonymous]

Steve loosen your belt mate nobody is gonna get rich or loose a fortune on the matches you/we fish

[TF_toplights]

@Pikey wrote:

Malcolm – I don’ think I do “mixed up” – Only one team has won this league in the two years it has run so far and that is THE MIGHTY LEATHERHEAD ! The winners this year will all receive a cap.

I will except your apology.

Up your’s,you wont get one you’v only just thought of that,you havent told any one else,spose you call it journelistic licence.ol.ol

[TF_Pikey]

We were actually discussing it on sunday after the match as Terry Cod said if Don’s team won it they would put “Cheating Bastards” on the back ! LOL

[TF_toplights]

Hope they dont have to wait as long as Molloys Mob had to wait for theirs.(From the Masters).

[TF_Pikey]

Sorry, is that your apology I can hear you typing ?

[TF_MARKHLDAS]

@Pikey wrote:

Malcolm – I don’ think I do “mixed up” – Only one team has won this league in the two years it has run so far and that is THE MIGHTY LEATHERHEAD ! The winners this year will all receive a cap.

I will except your apology.

Can we have some retrospective caps then for year 1&2! Mine is getting a bit scruffy

[TF_toplights]

@MARKHLDAS wrote:

@Pikey wrote:

Malcolm – I don’ think I do “mixed up” – Only one team has won this league in the two years it has run so far and that is THE MIGHTY LEATHERHEAD ! The winners this year will all receive a cap.

I will except your apology.

Can we have some retrospective caps then for year 1&2! Mine is getting a bit scruffy

Arris Licker Ho Ho HO Still dont Belive it.

[TF_teabag]

TrueBlue, with your strict attitude about rules could you please answer this:

A while ago you posted on here about yourself fishing matches at Cudmore and have said that you have had words a few times with them about the pegging, I was just wondering if you felt that you should have disqualified or even banned yourself from there, Cudmore rules state no one may interfere over pegging.

[TF_FBlues]

Pikey: what are you excepting toplights’ apology from?

[TF_Pikey]

Keith – I can’t remember now it was a few posts ago ! LOL

I think it was that he said I was confused about the winning team receiving a cap – when clearly like yourself, I don’t make mistakes !

[TF_toplights]

Pikey, You have 150 replies about the last one you made Big LOL. I will apologise for that last remark.,and add my support for you’r final decision.

[TF_Fred Davis]

You mean like calling a senior retired Postal manager a Union Rep? Lol

Chin up boys Keith did get it right when he said as the matter was sorted why put it on the internet :¬) Although does that mean Pikey made a wrong call in initating the thread? Only you too boys can sort that one out ;¬)

[TF_proper tidal boy]

Surely its time to put this one to bed or BTTT??????

[TF_Pikey]

I’m happy for a moderator to delete it.

[TF_toplights]

YAWN.

[TF_robbo]

Not before I’ve apologised for being a grumpy git.

Sorry guys.

[TF_Hillbilly]

Whilst I take on board everyone’s views on this debate I am astounded that one word has up until now not been mentioned. That word is SPORTSMANSHIP and it is my opinion that it would have been unsportsmanlike to disqualify poor old Bacsey from this match for a simple error that went unnoticed until it was to late to be rectified. ~naughty
However seriously you take this sport it is just a relaxation for most of us and I think Dave did the right and sporting thing on the day. After all as the late Ivan Marks once said “its only fishing”.

[TF_mp.milo]

It was a genuine mistake,which pikey has made a ruling on,and as Fblues said earlier shouldnt have been bought up on this forum. imo

[TF_BacseyParticipant]

I agree ive had enough,again thanks to those people that have backed both me and Pikey.Terry the cods comment about cheating b stards,be nice if he spent his time putting down clear peg numbers so this sort of thing could not happen in the first place,lol Bacsey.

[TF_robbo]

Is the concensus that you want this thread gone?

[TF_FBlues]

If you can point out where I called you a union rep Fred, I will take up the invitation I have here to join Equity.

Pikey: you obviously don’t make exceptions either. LOL.

[TF_toplights]

GREAT BIG YAWN.

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