YOU THINK ITS ALL OVER….IT IS NOW.

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

~sick ~sick ~sick Well i know i have been saying that these England players are just average for the last 10 months,but now i am saying they are not even that.
World class?…..Are we mad….Rooney couldnt live with 30 other foreign players,let alone one of the best.They are just total crap,and if the Foreign players left the Premiership tomoz,our top league would be the worst in the world let alone Europe.
Capello…..OUT…We need to start again from the bottom with our youngsters,who want to play and not just to earn mega bucks.As an Arsenal supporter i know we would be the first to disappear off the radar without the foreign connection,but at least the kids would want to play and be proud to wera an Englsh shirt.That is why Wenger brings these players over cause he knows they are far and away better that our home breds.
Back to basics…Perhaps i wont be around to see England pick up the trophy,but my Grandchildren just might.~sick ~sick ~sick ~sick ~sick ~sick

[TF_Dr.Phil]

Even tho this is a fishing site i also feel the same way that things have to change….firstly when will they bring in full technology to this multi-billion sport ?….the goal could have stood and the game could have been different but England were very poor.
The Owen and Beckham days are over and there is no one coming thro on the horizon its time to put a limit on foreign players in the english game even if its depremental to the PREMIER league…..every game should have at least 6 home nations players!!
Bring back the spirit of 66 and 70 !!
Congrats to England in Spain…..awesome fishing with the home nations all occupying the top-6 !!!

[TF_proper tidal boy]

how long will it take to pick ourselves up and start again new broom is a must and youth must be the FUTURE CLEAR THE DECKS AND START AGAIN
F/A GROW SOME BALLS AND TELL BLATTER TO SEX AND TRAVEL

[TF_Dodge]

Its easier said than done unfortunately MTB . As for Rooney …… what on earth has happened to him ? Think our only chance of doing well in the World Cup is if we get to stage it here in England …… after that calamity of Frank Lampard,s “GOAL” not being given maybe FIFA will go sweet on us ? ~sick pmsl.

[TF_herbie]

dodge think back to the munich v united game rooney got injured and hes never played a good game since that day for anyone. hes injured and hiding it so taggert will have to sort him out and that could take till christmas. as for engerland never watched a game they were crap in 1970 and there still crap now and as long as the media keep expectations way above our ability we will always be crap.i fell out of love with engerland the day they turned clough down for the managers job and cannot ever see me becoming a fan. one trick pony,s kick and rush, they have the technical ability of an aging portuguese donkey with 3 legs. new rule should be no united players should ever be allowed to play for that shite. think thats it blue nose oh you can have milner lol

[TF_bremesParticipant]

Tevez knows how to score~think

[BIG NATHANParticipant]

JUST A SET OF AVERAGE PLAYERS IN AN OVERPAYED LEAGUE!!!!!! USELESS.NEAR MIND AT LEAST THE LADS AV DONE US JUSTICE IN SPAIN. BET THEY DON’T EVEN GET A MENTION ON BBC1 OR SKY SPORTS!!!!!!! UP THE ANGLERS! CAPPELLO COULDN’T LACE DOWNSEYS BOOTS HA HA

[TF_Gary]

I don’t agree with comments about inferior technique and too many foreigners in the Premier League. Four of the six top scorers in the Premier League last season were English (Rooney, Lampard, Bent, Defoe), as were four of the top six with the most assists (Lampard, Milner, Lennon, Young). The players are good enough – they are not brilliant, but they are good ENOUGH.

It is not like the German players are streets ahead. Podolski and Klose had goal scoring records last season that were comparable to Emile Heskey, but we made them look like Messi and Ronaldo! Ozil is a decent youngster, but he is no Gerrard and falls to pieces in front of goal. Khedira and Schweinsteiger ran the midfield today and were made to look outstanding, but they are not exactly Xavi and Iniesta.

The English clubs that excel in the Champions League are playing against the same players week in week out that they meet in the knockout stages of major tournaments. If they perform for their clubs, why can’t they do it for England? If it was all down to the manager, why do they turn it on for their club regardless of who the manager is (particularly thinking about the Chelsea boys here who have excelled under a succession of different managers) but then let England down under a succession of high achievers (Capello and Eriksson both have superb club records).

There is some reason that the players do not achieve when playing for England on the biggest stage and I would love to know what that reason is.

[TF_Gary]

Just looked this up for comparison and to prove my point: In the Bundesliga, where the Germans apparently flourish, only two of the top six leading scorers were German – Kiessling and Kuranyi – neither of whom made the German starting line up!

[TF_davenfish]

There is some reason that the players do not achieve when playing for England on the biggest stage and I would love to know what that reason is.
(Gary)
MONEY

[TF_slippery]

I blame the ball,lol

[TF_piperpilot]

The simple fact is they are NOT a team they are individuals who are clearly deluded by the money and adulation they receive. I suggest that those lemons bring back a load of wooden crosses as they are about to be crucified by the very media that deluded almost everyone that they were about to actually win the WC. I had a few quid on them not even making it out of the first round but so what I’ve done my money but I think the point that England are incapable of winning anything with the incumbents(Coach/FA/Team)they have now has been proven,

[TF_Serious Sam]

Perhaps they’d do better under a manager that can speak English.

He can barely manage a sentence, how the hell can he explain tactics or gee up the lads going ‘errrrrrrr’ and scratching the back of his head.

Just like the players have to be English so should the manager, if we did ever go on and win the cup under a foreign manager then to me it’d mean nothing as the team wasn’t English.

[TF_Dodge]

Herbie ! I cant ever see a Man Utd player getting into the England squad again ~think lololol

[TF_Katarino]

I’ll add my 2 bobs worth again.

Capello picked the best he had available and they are not good enough.

Only 35% of Premier League players are English.

As long as everyone keeps paying the Sky subs and believing the Andy Gray yelling about, “the best league in the world” this is what you will get.

The Premier league is totally uncompetitive, look at the old ‘first’ divisions from the 60’s and 70’s and you’ll see what I mean. The problem has been compounded by politically correct “non-competitive” PE teaching in schools. This is wrong from every point of view because the fact is, LIFE is competitive (and quite often unfair) and sport was supposed to teach you that it is. The effect of schools being terrified of legal action because a kid breaks something playing sport just adds on top. (For the record I was one of those kids, collar bone playing rugby, what would that be worth in compo these days? I was back at school a few days later….)

1) Limit the number of foreign imports in the Prem (since when did this country every need to import Goalkeepers???? Time was the best 4 English Goalies would walk into any other team in the world).
2) Bring back the b*****d PE teachers of the bygone age, they weren’t nice but you learnt what life was all about.
3) Coach kids properly and look local, they are there but aren’t getting the chance.

As long as the current system carries on you’ll get what we have. The current crop are OK but there aren’t enough of them and they are overpaid and overhyped as to their true worth on the world stage leading to the kind of arrogance we see in papers…. “£55k a week Jonathon? They’re taking the……” and on it goes.

[TF_caster robParticipant]

Spot-on Roy.

I made similar comments about the premier league in Jeff’s thread.

When the custodians of the game whore it out to a TV station whose primary aim is money-making from a clientele of beer-guzzling couch-potatoes the resultant demise shouldn’t be a great surprise.

[TF_FISHER-PRICE]

Sod the football losers, as far as I am concerned they are a disgrace and aint worth the steam of my p**s let alone the millions they (nearly said earn!) receive!!!
Congratulations Team England on winning world champs and also to the England cricket team on taking an unassailable 3-0 lead in the 5 match Odi series against the aussies, still a few things out there that make one feel proud to be English.

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

After watching the Argie game,it really hit home how shite we were and are.Both sides played with true desire and guts,and the skill level was excellent.But what i did notice the most was even after the Argies made it 3-0,the Mexicans never stopped running and played some brillant football….They went down to a good side with a fight and commitment.We as fans and loyal pats would have loved to see our team do the same.

[TF_piperpilot]

When did the lower division teams need to import players which are mostly third rate and limit home grown lads from getting into the sport and climbing the ladder. For FCUK’s sake there must be quality youngsters out there somewhere,

[maggot_drowner]

@davenfish wrote:

There is some reason that the players do not achieve when playing for England on the biggest stage and I would love to know what that reason is.
(Gary)
MONEY

Forgive me if I’m wrong but I doubt very much Messi, Kaka, Tevez, etc are all on the minimum wage. It’s about desire, hunger & team spirit….. clearly the only spirit the England team had was night nurse!

[TF_nitro]

Ozil is a decent youngster, but he is no Gerrard and falls to pieces in front of goal.

WHAT? were you watching the same game as me? Ozil is at least 3 times as good as gerrard, and hes only 21! The control, passing, compusure, decision making, you cant even compare gerrard to this guy.

[TF_piperpilot]

I wonder how much those Ghanaian players earn but I’m pretty sure that the whole team is on less then one of those mugs who supposedly represent us,

[TF_Katarino]

This isn’t going to make anyone feel any better but needs saying. I spent the last few days in Berlin (got back yesterday) and everyone I spoke to was looking forward to it but were mostly resigned to England winning!!!
“Our team is too young”
“You have Rooney, Gerrard…”

Sadly, I have to report on the U_bahn station manager who, after publicly berating his staff for their inefficiency in allowing an undergound train to arrive 27 seconds late, committed suicide in his shame and did not live to see their victory 😉

[Ben1Participant]

i watch alot of football and England in a way remind me of real madrid, too many individual players and not enough fire. if you watched the argies you would see every players work rate is much higher than ours. And capello has made some bad judements like taking our only goal scorer off and putting the donkey (heskey) on which was not wise. 4-5-1 would of been better for us with gerrard just off rooney. And Terry was well off the pace, he may look good for chelsea as he has essien and ballack to cover him.
Harry Rednapp for manager, would be class.

[TF_piperpilot]

Try convincing all those old world class footballers who now run the FA,

[TF_Swimfeeder]

Seasoned defenders not knowing how to defend, seasoned midfield players not knowing how to play in midfield, seasoned forwards not knowing how to attack, a distinct lack of effort throughout the team bordering on lazy, players playing out of position, no team spirit, no shape and no idea……the England team did not have a lot going for them did they?

The FA are paying an Italian £6 million a year for that?

I posted on here days ago that England have lost their identity and Cappello was out of his league………..the proof ,if ever it were needed was there for all to see today, Rooney and co just did not want to play for him, Stevie Wonder could see that!

Cappello and his man management style has destroyed the England players confidence, furthermore, all he has done is confuse the hell out of them in the process……. has he progressed the England team? well, he has probably finished a few players international careers.

I asked this question on here the other day, and no one was able to answer it;

How, as a proud Englishman, would you feel if you were surrounded by an Italian coach with an Italian coaching staff playing in a foreign Country, under their scrutiny and critical eye?

Sure the players are to blame, sure the manager/coach is to blame…..but ultimately the FA must shoulder the real blame for yet another World Cup shambles.

[TF_piperpilot]

Who will take responsibility for this debacle know one thing for sure it won’t be the businessmen in suits,

[TF_Chris OwenParticipant]

@MICK THE BOOKIE wrote:

After watching the Argie game,it really hit home how shite we were and are.Both sides played with true desire and guts,and the skill level was excellent.But what i did notice the most was even after the Argies made it 3-0,the Mexicans never stopped running and played some brillant football….They went down to a good side with a fight and commitment.We as fans and loyal pats would have loved to see our team do the same.

~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap

[TF_proper tidal boy]

earlier quote GROW SOME BALLS F/A. well they must of read it ,theve given capello 2 weeks before decision being made known . well at the same time that he is sacked can we have the PRAT WHO SIGNED HIS CONTRACT BEFORE THE WORLD CUP sacked also, beggars belief the attitude shown by so called big wigs

[TF_MarkT]

@proper tidal boy wrote:

earlier quote GROW SOME BALLS F/A. well they must of read it ,theve given capello 2 weeks before decision being made known . well at the same time that he is sacked can we have the PRAT WHO SIGNED HIS CONTRACT BEFORE THE WORLD CUP sacked also, beggars belief the attitude shown by so called big wigs

Sacking Capello isn’t going to change anything or make us better, there isn’t anyone out there who can do the job better than him.

Don’t give me this rubbish about getting an English manager like Harry Redknapp or Roy Hodgson, Roy won’t take the job because he’s going to Liverpool and Harrys not upto it. He’s not got any experiance at European level never mind world.

We can’t just keep sacking managers every 2/3/4 years because it’s obvisously not working. At least let him keep his job till his contract ends at the Euro by then we might be starting to see some progress.

[TF_bremesParticipant]

Hodgson will take it over liverpool,thats why he has not committed to liverpool yet,personally i want Harry,proper man management.

[Skip]

Why would Harry want to leave my beloved Spurs?

[tunnel topper]

as i posted the other day, it does not matter who the manager is they pick the same old players who eventually let them down. it is time to accept that they may be the best english playeers in the premiership bet they may a poor england team (results back this up.),
it is time to pick a squad of younsters with no delussions of grandiure and let them grow together as a team.

as for the manager. all year we have listned to hanson, shearer and lawrence enxplaining how they players have got it wrong what they should have done and what tacticks the manager should employ. it’s time they where given the job of england manager collectively and lets see how good they acctually are. ~clap ~clap

[TF_Dodge]

The FA always need a fall guy to cover their own sorry arses , Capello has a fantastic management track record, he hasnt become a crap manager in the space of 2 weeks. Something within the England camp has gone very badly wrong , it showed its face after the Algeria debacle. Realistically we never had a chance of winning the world cup with Green & James first choice keepers , not one top class center half , a midfield which doesnt know which system it is playing and a hopelessly out of form Wayne Rooney as our only first choice striker ! Guess the media lead us all to believe we could win it so they could make a few extra quid as per usual ~sick

[TF_bremesParticipant]

@Mr Bean wrote:

Why would Harry want to leave my beloved Spurs?

He said he would take it today on talksport.

[TF_MarkT]

Our problem is for 3 yrs and 11 months out of every 4 years the focus is on Club success, is it any wonder that the National Side cant deliver in the 1 month that interests the media. Until the Clubs stop riding the Sky Cash Cow the England team will remain what they are now, average.

Ask any Utd, City, Liverpool or Chelsea fan what they would rather have there club success or National success and the majority would say Club. As long as the Clubs continue to play for obscene amounts of money and continue to pay obscene wages. The national side will continue to fail.

[TF_proper tidal boy]

sacking capello is the first answer,or have you allready forgotton we are out of the world cup the rest is plain sailing forget the old donkeys we had on show bring in the youth and gel them together now ready for four years time as fo r and manager harry aint got it and will more than likely be doing bird in four years, bring in the man that had more success with the under 21s until he ruffled the old farts at the F?A PETER TAYLOR, FORGET THE 424 AS WE CANT AND DONT WANT TO PLAY IT MAYBE PLAY to our strenghts attack or isnt that what football should be ,maybe the prem aint all its made out to be ie defend a one nil lead at all costs and bore the paying customers to tears

[TF_herbie]

bloody hell brian that actualy makes sense~clap ~clap ~clap you ok mate not banged your head recently have you~think ~think mick get round there and check the old gits ok will you mate. as for ingerland ~sick ~sick ~sick they can kiss my arse club 1st every time~clap

[TF_proper tidal boy]

herbie stick to the carrots that way you can see rooney and stars all day long, he and the other members couldnt find the sanctuary even on a lead PISS POOR PLAYERS EVERYONE OF THEM

[TF_MarkT]

@proper tidal boy wrote:

sacking capello is the first answer,or have you allready forgotton we are out of the world cup the rest is plain sailing forget the old donkeys we had on show bring in the youth and gel them together now ready for four years time as fo r and manager harry aint got it and will more than likely be doing bird in four years, bring in the man that had more success with the under 21s until he ruffled the old farts at the F?A PETER TAYLOR, FORGET THE 424 AS WE CANT AND DONT WANT TO PLAY IT MAYBE PLAY to our strenghts attack or isnt that what football should be ,maybe the prem aint all its made out to be ie defend a one nil lead at all costs and bore the paying customers to tears

What a load of rubbish!

Peter Taylor, you must of banged your head to write that. Bet Leicester City and Crystal Palace fans wouldn’t agree.

There is no-one out there who can come in and do better. They may aswell keep him till after the Euro’s they’ve got nothing to lose. But if they sack him they’ve got to pay his and his staffs wages for the next two years, then pay someone else an even bigger fee to come in.

[TF_proper tidal boy]

so please tell mark who has a better record for England under 21s for the last ten years and pray tell me who will be playing for England in the next four years, the present shower of shite no way.
The future is in our youth weather you like it or not. AS for l?city they had a chairman who picked the squad or had you not noticed the amount of so called managers they have had since M?M BEEN THERE ?? AS FOR SKINT PALACE THEVE ALLWAYS HAD PROBLEMS R N COMES TO MIND, PS AS YOU COME FROM MANC RED NOSE OR BLUE NOSE ???

[TF_MarkT]

Having a good record for the under21’s has nothing to do with it, the man can’t even manage a lower division side never mind a senior national side.

Some or maybe most of the u21’s can’t even get into there club teams never mind the senior team. If they were good enough they’d have already played in the England senior team or at least there clubs. There is probably 2or3 players that could be future England stars they are Jack Rodwell and Jack Wilshere and maybe Chris Smalling.

Do agree the future is in the youth but not that lot, they’d do worse than what we’ve got. They need to be playing decent top flight football to be able to compete at international level and unfortunately they won’t be unless there is a shake up with the premierleague.

Like i said before they may aswell keep Capello till at least the Euro’s, we have nothing to lose.

Oh i’m a United fan.

[TF_proper tidal boy]

ah herbie has a mate at last????? as for capello lets hope he does the honest thing and fs off
so out of the present squad of gereatics who would you keep to be BALL BOYS FOR THE EUROS AS THEY AINT WORTH A RUB THE LOT OF THEM . so we both agree that youth is the future so put the team together now and let them taste defeat early and build up to the next W?C weve got nothing to loose and every thing to gain

[TF_MarkT]

If i was Capello i wouldn’t f**k off, it’s the FA’s fault for letting him sign a contract a week before the World cup.

I’d keep these players for the Euro’s

Joe Hart
Ashley Cole
Glen Johnson
Joe Cole
Steven Gerrard
Frank Lampard
James Milner
Peter Crouch
Jermain Defoe
Wayne Rooney

The problem with bringing in the youth now and letting them taste defeat early is the public want results and NOW. If we do what you want and bring them all in now we won’t qualify for the Euro’s and there’ll be even more of a backlash than there is now.

[TF_proper tidal boy]

sorry mark but they wont cut the grass ,they are the basics of our world cup squad which got stuffed

[TF_herbie]

wouldnt play any of them especialy rooney not fit to wear the shirt he should concentrate on his club football and retire from england. pick only chelsea,city,and liverpool players~clap ~clap ~clap in future ban all united players there all rubbish~naughty

[TF_feeder]

behave herbie you peetaker.lol

[TF_MarkT]

@proper tidal boy wrote:

sorry mark but they wont cut the grass ,they are the basics of our world cup squad which got stuffed

Well if you think theres better out there then name them?

You can’t, you keep going on about youth but there isn’t anyone out there coming through thats good enough. Them players i’ve named are good enough they just weren’t at that time.

[TF_macca63]

Seems in an effort to cheer up the England fans Capello has arranged a friendly game against Iceland……if they win that they will then play Tesco and Lidl

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

@macca63 wrote:

Seems in an effort to cheer up the England fans Capello has arranged a friendly game against Iceland……if they win that they will then play Tesco and Lidl

~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap While they are at Lidls can they get me 24 tins of Catfood….Thats the bollox..Even they couldnt f*** that up..lol. ~shh ~shh ~shh ~shh

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