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    • #29765

      Big Dog
      Participant

        A friend of mine is having a lot of problems with his Tourny Pro, he is a very experienced course fisherman and has been seriously fishing pole for several years – but he is fed up with all of the problems with this new (and I mean only a few months old) £2000 pole:
        *4th section becoming seperated either shipping in (ends up in the water) or shipping out (leaving half the pole on the bank).
        *5th section becoming seperated either shipping in (ends up in the water) or shipping out (leaving half the pole on the bank).
        *Several breakages of joints, he broke section 3 when shipping out with a cupping kit of feed!!
        He is really very unhappy with this £2000 pole.
        My question is simple, please let me know if you are more than happy, or plain p***ed off with your Tourny Pro, or are just having problems of a similar nature.
        Thanks

      • #64384

        TF_Nigel.

          Teething problems.
          We have all had the same problems with new ones, i have had two now, and both the same, it will wear in any time!
          For the first few weeks you do need to twist the joints together tighly, and check regualy.
          Rub some candle wax on the male joints too, it will improve it 100%.
          As for the section breaking, i have done a no 4 too, shipping out sloppy grondbait, they are a stiff light pole, and care is needed shipping out heavy groundbait, they are not an out and out carp pole.

        • #64385

          TF_tractorboy

            The sections can come loose at times when shipping in and out, especially when using 2 rollers. Its quite simple to overcome this. Check them every so often as you are shipping out. Regarding cupping. If you are filling the cup with feed or a big ball of groundbait, you either need to be very carefull not to bounce the cup too much as it places a lot of pressure on the number 4 section, or better still use the short number 4 section. To be honest I don’t know of anyone who is pi##ed off with a pro.

          • #64386

            TF_mart4666

              big dog, i,ve just bought a tournie last week and used it once ! and guess what???????????
              ah you’s all thought i was going to say it came apart. well actually i knew this so made sure i checked it every 5 mins or so. to be honest all top range poles especially, suffer to a degree, i’ve just sold a G995 and it did it . the daiwa ones do seem the worst offender though. i use to have a tournie x and this was terrible for the 1st 3 months , i think it must be the short push in (overlap)of joints on daiwa,s. as for the 3rd breakage whilst cupping , i think you have to be mindfull that “big balls”or big pots of feed, do put stress through pole sections. to be honest i can’t believe how solid the top kits feel on the tournie compared to the garbolino ones. the 4th seems the softest section but is a lot stronger than a 995 4th.
              the guy who bought my 995 couldn’t believe how strong it felt to his maver m25.
              so guess a tournie is quite strong really .

            • #64387

              TF_JohnH

                I have had my pro for 3 years and have experienced joints coming loose from day one.
                Before every session I rub candle wax on one side of the joint only,usually in line with the joint number stamped on the pole and this improves things 100%. One tip though do not put the candle wax all the way around the joint, just a single stripe to one side. Joints do still work loose once or twice a session. However if you align the joint numbers carefully and keep an eye on them you can spot any joint that is freeing up.
                As for breakages, yes I have had some, mostly No4s and all my own fault.

              • #64388

                TF_Chum Mixer
                Participant

                  I think its an occupational hazard that happens with Daiwa poles, my previous one’s did the same and as others have said eventually the problem solves itself but not completely. You find that you still have to check every so often as they do work themselves loose, I’m of the opinion that the rollers don’t help when your pole is bouncing continously on the rollers all match.

                  As for the breakages I can honestly say I’ve never had any problems with mine and have to say its the person using it rather than the product.

                  Whether its any help I have plugged the male ends with a foam draft excluder which creates an air lock stopping them from parting company when your shipping back with a fish on and don’t want to find your top six say halfway across the lake lol.

                • #64389

                  laudan5

                    in addition to all the advice already, one thing you can do is to put a spot of tippex eaxctly where the two sections meet .Then when you are shipping in and out you can easily see if a joint has worked loose as there will be a gap between the tippex and the bottom of the female section.

                  • #64390

                    tournament_pro

                      Breakages – 2 x no4 Both my fault

                      sections coming loose – just check them when you ship out every 2-3 times and thats fine

                      As for the pole. Ive caught over 15,000lb on mine and I think its THE BEST

                    • #64391

                      Peter1984

                        maybe im the lucky one, ive had the odd occasion the pole has had sections come loose, but checking them as you ship out every so often helps.
                        Ive never broken a section on my tournament and have always used short number 4s for all my carp and silverfish fishing, the only time i use my long 4s is on the river. I use it mainly now for heavy duty carping with red hydro and orange vespe elastics!

                      • #64392

                        Anonymous

                          Ive had mine about 2 months so far and had no problems at all. Same as peter 1984 i use short 4’s for everything ( used to have a tournament 210 and did the same) and use purple hydro through the match kits with no probs at all landing fish to 15lb and red hydro through power kits, personal opinion of the pole is its awesome, tried it against the other flagships and it suited me the best for what i need it for.

                        • #64393

                          TF_fillitinsomemore

                            Reality check here – are some people accepting that their £2k poles do not stay together. Are we going mad

                          • #64394

                            irish greg

                              after reading this thread i have to agree with the last poster a 2000 pole that gives problems it would be like buying a new car which starts every now and then.this is not acceptable on any pole never mind top of the range diawa should do something about it asap.it is amazing what crap people will put up with.think about it. this product if it does this is faulty end of story

                            • #64395

                              TF_mp.milo

                                Mine comes apart very occasionally,but my previous daiwa did and the model before that.
                                I had the same with a top preston pole,in fact my mate has it with a g995.
                                It seems to be worse when using 2 rollers,whether the carbon flexs i dont know,but it happen s on a lot of poles at the top end of the range. Not a problem,just check it occasionally as i do with all my poles.

                              • #64396

                                Richie_R

                                  Mr Smug here has a Shimano Aspire and never experienced any such problems except working slightly loose in high cross winds and then needs tightening up once or twice per match. Is it a manufacturing feature?

                                • #64397

                                  TF_Anthonywaters
                                  Participant

                                    If you keep your pole too clean like a new pole on a Daiwa then your joints will slip apart wear em in get some sand and mud on em.

                                  • #64398

                                    Peter1984

                                      i use claen caps on my sections from the 4th to the 6th and mine just dont come undone!
                                      i had the same problem with my G995 and it took about 3 sessions before it stopped, my G10 is yet to do it but its still in early stages!

                                    • #64399

                                      Peter1984

                                        again though the addition of clean caps has helped all three??

                                      • #64400

                                        Big Dog
                                        Participant

                                          Thanks guys for the honest comments made so far!
                                          I am very surprised to read how understanding and tolerant some folk are when expensive kit doesn’t perform. I have to sympathise with my bud when he isn’t anything approaching a novice, he obviously knows to keep checking joint security, he has previously owned a fair range of poles (still has several mid range from other manufacturers and between the group of friends we have a pretty good selection of makes, models and prices – and none of them, let me repeat this – none of them suffer this number of problems collectively!!!!
                                          Are you really happy to have to ‘run in’ a 2 grand pole??
                                          Chum Mixer suggests that it’s a person problem. Perhaps a reality check CM, my bud – he isn’t a fool! Two other friends have just bought Daiwa poles – Connoisseur G8’s the pair of them. I fished last weekend with one of them, he used his G8 straight out of the box, all day with not a single issue – less than half the price to boot! Tourny Pro doesn’t sound like good investment to me, personally I swear by either Maver or Browning.
                                          Richie_R you may well be smug but if the Aspire serves you well good on ya. I must admit I really fancy one of those.
                                          Kepp it coming…

                                        • #64401

                                          TF_gal69

                                            Never had any such problems with my Mavers,perhaps Daiwa should start supplying a candle with all new poles 🙂

                                          • #64402

                                            Big Dog
                                            Participant

                                              Candle? probably a good idea, along with an increased number of spare sections when the 1st batch drop into the lake!
                                              The mention of clean caps is interesting, Maver caps have breather holes that allow you to push sections together without pressurisation occuring. I assume other makes do likewise? In which case how exactly does a clean cap help to hold sections together? Either the joints are engineered correctly so they fit together and stay together, or they do not? Clean caps surely do just that, and maybe stop ‘escapee’ sections from sinking when they get away from us! In which case Tourney should maybe have them on every joint :o}

                                            • #64403

                                              mo-can do

                                                this person needs to buy a 2.5LBS test curve carp rod… amature.

                                              • #64404

                                                Wannabe

                                                  It does happen a little till they bed in. The push and a liitle twist all but eliminates it but it will sort itself out. However to be happening to the extremes you are suggesting must be down to user error-bouncing on rollers etc…

                                                • #64405

                                                  Maesknoll

                                                    I’m more than happy with my TP, I did have a couple of occasions where the joints came loose whilst fishing, but this does not detract from the poles quality.

                                                  • #64406

                                                    TF_mart4666

                                                      just used my new tourrnie for the 2nd time, 1st time i fished at 12.7m + dolly butt, 2nd time 14.5 +dolly butt. think it felt as good at both lengths and definately better balanced at 14.5 than the G995 i sold. think the difference would be more noticable at 16m ( expect tournie to be better still again). this a little surprising as the 7th, 8th 13m 14.5 and 16m sections feel so much heavier than the G995.???
                                                      but like i say I’M DELIGHTED WITH THE POLE the match kits seem strong as garbo power kits. only thing i’m disappointed with is CTK5 power kits seem very heavy and to long to match modern techniques, theyre goin to be my new margin kits , although i had big fish in margins with match kit with purple hydro on saturday. WELL PLEASED!!!!!
                                                      and guess wot the sections didn,t fall apart although i did check every 20mins or so.

                                                    • #64407

                                                      pellethead76

                                                        mart4666 i believe maver do a bigger internal bush now so u can chop your power kits to the same length as your match kits i fish the power kits at length using them in conjunction with your short no4

                                                      • #64408

                                                        Anonymous

                                                          Mart4666, pelletheads right, buy a no6 maver internal bush and it means your ctk5 power tops will be only 2inches longer than your match kits. I also use purple hydro through my match kits and find it superb. Personally i rate the t/p as the best pole out there and no sections have come apart on me.

                                                        • #64409

                                                          TOURNAMENT-TOM

                                                            i certainly agree with you boys, tourney pro is the dogs knackers!!!

                                                          • #64410

                                                            TF_maxwell_hung

                                                              I use ptfe spray on my male joints and have not had any problems with them coming apart. I just give them a quick spray every couple of sessions. I do check regularly just in case.

                                                            • #64411

                                                              mo-can do

                                                                my tp is 4 year old, the only thig on my joint is dirt’n’grit, still going strong, never let me down, never had the problems discribed. if ya treat it like a pole it works well. it ya treat it like an ournament it may aswell be on a mantle piece.

                                                              • #64412

                                                                Big Dog
                                                                Participant

                                                                  Mo-can-do you are taking a lot on with your earlier statement! My bud is anything but an amature, he fishes seriously 3 times a week almost every week. I certainly didn’t say he was using the pole for carpin did I, so your idea about a carp rod is lame. You perhaps know about as much as you read – every other word, and it’s the bits in between that are important!
                                                                  This Tourney IS BEING USED as tool to do job, just that this one doesn’t do the job, that’s the point.
                                                                  It’s interesting to read that so many say that this pole is that good, and equally interesting to hear a whole load more say that it is generally accepted that the joints are a poor fit from new but do get better. To repeat the sentiment of Irish Greg – I have woked my whole life in various car dealerships, and some of the prestige one. To put it in context – Chap comes into Merc dealership, buys £60K motor, returns next week with doors only shutting half the time. I say it’s okay they are all like that, give it a few months and it gets better. Oh by the way don’t go over the bumpy roads it doesn’t handle them that well. If the doors still come open it’s got to be you, you must be an amature – go buy a Land Rover! Get real please. By the way Tournament Tom – surely you must know that on occasions a dog has his bits cut off and thrown away? This Tourny Pro must be the one you speak of?

                                                                • #64413

                                                                  TOURNAMENT-TOM

                                                                    mine is mint, had no probs, suck my balls

                                                                  • #64414

                                                                    TF_Team Rattler

                                                                      Same old story! What started as an interesting and informative thread with some great input/views/experiences from 95% of posters gets infiltrated by a couple of idiots.

                                                                    • #64415

                                                                      TOURNAMENT-TOM

                                                                        sometimes team rattler, my friend, it takes a simple answer

                                                                      • #64416

                                                                        Peter1984

                                                                          If he is that unhappy with said Tournament Pro, then he needs to go to Daiwa directly and ask them the questions, ive never had problems with long 4s, but then the only time i use them is for roach fishing on rivers, i use short 4s on mine everywhere else bar none.
                                                                          Yes the sections do come loose on occasion, this can be attributed to a few factors, one is the pole roller, the pole is so stiff the reverbarations through the blank cause the sections to stir a little when brand new, when you ship out watch what the pole does, generally it rotates through the hands, again another possible reason for sections to come undone,
                                                                          yes we wouldnt be happy if it was a 60K car, i know i wouldnt be…so the point is valid, however it is a top class pole with strength, stiffness, rigidity and is amoung the top 5 poles, and sometimes they have teething problems.
                                                                          Sections do come undone i agree, as it has happened to me, but after using clean caps my top 6 never did it again.
                                                                          Overtime, (ive had mine now over 2 years) all the sections will be fine, and if he fishes 3 times a week then the sections will wear in fairly shortly.
                                                                          As for sections breaking, well you cannot blame a pole for that to be fair unless its the first couple of times out. The pole is not unbreakable.

                                                                          As I suggested above if he is that unhappy he needs to talk to daiwa and the tackle shop, maybe to try and get it replaced or refunded (being honest a refund may be out of the question) but if you dont ask you dont get.

                                                                          And in answer to the question, Yes I have been very happy with my tournament, its done everything ive asked from it.
                                                                          A question though, why was he using (the first post suggests it a match top) a match number 3 section as a cupping kit??

                                                                        • #64417

                                                                          mo-can do

                                                                            your mate fishes 3 times a week…

                                                                            that makes him a good angler??

                                                                            naa…

                                                                            my misses drives the car 7 days a week,

                                                                            ye…

                                                                            and she’s ruddy crap at it…

                                                                            go buy him that carp rod…

                                                                            and i’ll get my misses a tank…

                                                                            problem solved…

                                                                            it’s that simple some people just arn’t suited to certain things…

                                                                          • #64418

                                                                            TOURNAMENT-TOM

                                                                              mo-can-do, that is a quality post!! how right!

                                                                            • #64419

                                                                              Big Dog
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                Peter 1984 – Thanks for the sensible and honest comment. You make a lot of sense, I made an error in my original post – it was section 4 that broke! Of course you are right about returning the pole to Daiwa, they have had it back twice and reckon that there isn’t a problem – but it still comes apart despite careful and attentive use and handling. It has got so bad he has now wanting the shop to give a refund and he isn’t asking sweetly (‘not fit for purpose’ is the correct phrase I believe). I asked him about clean caps – he already uses them – always does, same as me, except for a brand new Browning margin pole I bought earlier in the summer – but that’s another story.

                                                                                True for sure Team Rattler…true for sure! At least it is 95% thankfully.

                                                                              • #64420

                                                                                mo-can do

                                                                                  the clean caps could be causing the problem.

                                                                                  maybe the sections are locking off against the clean cap as the edge of the clean cap has folded back over the male section, when forced together…

                                                                                  there is no need for clean caps anyway they just get in the way

                                                                                  and force any dirt or grit further up the pole…

                                                                                  they do not extend the life of the pole any either…

                                                                                • #64421

                                                                                  TF_jimmyb

                                                                                    I’ve always had Daiwa poles, and on a few models 412 410 old torny g8 new torny they have pulled apart 5th & 6th sections its just the newness of the pole i have got into the habit of twisting all the sections slightly againts each other no problems

                                                                                  • #64422

                                                                                    Peter1984

                                                                                      Top Dog, I hope your mate gets it sorted and he finds a pole he will be happy with, can i suggest a Super G10? he is obviously looking at the top end of the market, and since ive bought mine my tournament has not come out of the bag!!

                                                                                      :o)

                                                                                    • #64423

                                                                                      Big Dog
                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                        Thanks Peter1984 for the promotion! I’m not normally Top of anything much…:-] Thanks for the pole recommendations and kind words I will surely pass them on.

                                                                                      • #64424

                                                                                        Big Dog
                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                          Hey Peter, looking at your full title – I’m assuming you sell tackle? Do you have a Maver Medusa Platinum for sale? A lot to ask I guess!
                                                                                          Thanks.

                                                                                        • #64425

                                                                                          Peter1984

                                                                                            lol i wish i did Big Dog (il get it right this time) im sponsored by the above companies, however i might be able to find you a maver medusa platinum, send me an email with a contact number and i shall phone you one way or another should i find one or not, im quite sure i can get you one at a sensible price!

                                                                                          • #64426

                                                                                            Anonymous

                                                                                              Big dog, long shot i know but is there any of his mates who could lend him a tourny pro for a couple of hours to try and see how he gets along with it? It is possible that he got a bad one out of a batch. lots of lads round my way are using G8’s at the minute and nobody has a bad word to say although my travelling partners son has had terrible trouble with his (struck at 13m and number 7 section fell in half etc). Got a full replacement from the tackle dealer and had not a single problem since. If he trys another at least he will know its maybe just a bad one or user error if the same happens with that

                                                                                              Steve

                                                                                            • #64427

                                                                                              Big Dog
                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                Hey Steve good job someones got a brain Lol. It seems just too simple – I’ll ask him Sunday when we fish the Hundred foot. He will of course be using his Shimano! I don’t know anyone with a Tourney Pro but it’s a top idea of course (he may have already considered it – although equally he may not have).
                                                                                                Thanks

                                                                                              • #64428

                                                                                                Anonymous

                                                                                                  Big Dog, i also appreciate that when spending that amount of money you shouldnt get a “bad one” so to speak although these things do happen, i know if mine hadnt performed how i expected it too i wouldnt be a happy chap either but on the odd occasion these things do happen, if he can try another one then things might work out for him and he knows to take it back to the shop and get a replacement

                                                                                                  Steve

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