Punchcrumb – I did say.
I caught 3 bream for 7-15-0 – Hathers at the next peg didn’t fish Murukyu baits and had 33lb

One of the groundbait recipes was sold out almost immediately in my local . someone knows something?~think ~think

obviously a affluent area .whats the price tags around your way some of the fluids seem high ??????

@proper tidal boy wrote:

obviously a affluent area .whats the price tags around your way some of the fluids seem high ??????

it’s really cheap at £7 a bag……… ~think ~think ~think ~sick ~sick ~sick ~sick

It seems a bit pricey Brian , the liquid flavours particularly, BUT to be honest I haven’t splashed out on it yet.

ok ladies heres the score! The bait has been in the shops for about a week now, and not a lot can been gleaned from a 7 days.What i can tell you is that fish , and all animals will eat whats good for them above a mars bar (except the ob-ease, unhealthy human race!). Its all about minimum out put for maximum benefit! All these baits are design to give the maximum benefit to the fish , they are not miracle baits there is no such thing ! you still have to be a good angler catch a bag full of fish each time you go out!The pellet and gb are only £3.99 a bag ,no different to VDE OR RINGERS.Be open minded and stop useing other people’s opinions to base your own on , give it a go apply your own ability and reap the rewards of knowledge, good or bad.( there are some gb’s at £6.99 what you have to ask yourselves is, are you in it to win it or are you an also ran?)

they got it in stock at willy already, problem being once that’s all that’s getting fed the old baits wont work as well???? providing you get bites on it, and at the mo there at a premium, bites that is especially top

sought of reply id exspect from a vested interest del girl

Peter has won Sat and today at Willy using the white Marukyu paste

the stuff that looks like cadburys smash?????maybe they thought it was bread the forbidden bait???

They might have done Brian, but with only one fish between the top 4 weights today did not make a way ahead bait – did it ????

tell me mark how many reps do they have down south is it just you and roosn ??????

I have no idea Brian, it’s Willinghurst fishery who sell it and not me myself, Terry would know your answer.

I have not even tried any of it yet. lol

oh id thought being that you advertise it under your thread title you was a rep how silly of me lol

lol, I advertise it for Willinghurst which in turn helps earn my keep down there.

I CATCH ON DOGS POO……….They love it……lol.xxxxx

~sick ~sick even i catch on fins new paste~sick ~sick

The full on paste attack begins sunday !

Another case methinks of catches more anglers than fish.All the time anglers fall for the tricks, especially the expensive kind, the more the profiteers in the world will try it on,how many “miracle” baits surface and then sink into obscurity,in my time as an angler loads. ~think

isnt this stuff fronted by the same bloke that gave us the amazing, will get banned its that good, fish cant resist it …….. Ultrabite ??

that stuff was great, its sells out everywhere round these parts as I have not seen it on the shelf in ages !!! 🙂

Have to add,about the white bait comment at Willingshurst,most regulars that know it well, know one of the top baits of this venue is bread.Its banned of course so anything that mimics bread stands a good chance of catching.

Bread banned at Willinghurst! Why?

Bread was banned when pleasure anglers started feeding 20 loaves in a day !!!!

@Pikey wrote:

Bread was banned when pleasure anglers started feeding 20 loaves in a day !!!!

The same fate happened with dog buscuit aswell, even the ducks could not eat all of them bag fulls being tipped in.

If you can afford to pay top doller for these groundbaits I would say go for it after all if Roy’s involved with bringing Marukyu into the country they must be good as he won’t put his name to any old product, after all he gave as the kite mark for fish friendly keep nets, as has been said they mix up really well no need to sieve, however they won’t be life changing for good anglers who will catch anyway I think was what was said, it just makes life a bit easier using a product designed for the species you are fishing for, which mixes up with no hassle, me I’ll just buy a 25 kilo bag od fishmeal from titmus and mix it with some crumb lol, at a pound a kilo I might not catch much but I can fish more cost effectively.

the fin perfect stuff is far more stiff. The Marukyu paste is a different consistency as it is a lot softer and easier too mould. Looked spot on for most situations.

Personally I think all this ‘Wonder’ bait malarkey is just a big pile of poo!!!!. Manufactures play psychological mind games with Anglers and fool us into thinking we’ll all catch tons of fish on there latest ‘Wonder’ baits. Meat/Corn/Casters/Halibut pellets/Worm and Maggots all work for me. Use your baits with confidence and watercraft and you’ll catch,

@piperpilot wrote:

Personally I think all this ‘Wonder’ bait malarkey is just a big pile of poo!!!!. Manufactures play psychological mind games with Anglers and fool us into thinking we’ll all catch tons of fish on there latest ‘Wonder’ baits. Meat/Corn/Casters/Halibut pellets/Worm and Maggots all work for me. Use your baits with confidence and watercraft and you’ll catch,

agreed

@piperpilot wrote:

Personally I think all this ‘Wonder’ bait malarkey is just a big pile of poo!!!!. Manufactures play psychological mind games with Anglers and fool us into thinking we’ll all catch tons of fish on there latest ‘Wonder’ baits. Meat/Corn/Casters/Halibut pellets/Worm and Maggots all work for me. Use your baits with confidence and watercraft and you’ll catch,

Agreed, it’ll catch loads of anglers!!!

£7 quid for a bag of groundbait??? your having a laff

I tried the white paste at the weekend and I didn’t have a bite on it… Obviously not conclusive but thats what happened! Plus it was £7!!

I,ve been reading this and some other threads on other sites with interest. I always have an open mind with all things connected with baits.

My first thoughts are that this company is pushing its products in this country and the publicity is an attempt to con the general angling public with claims that the range of baits are good for the fish and that is why the fish like then.

Skretting have spent millions of pounds on pellet development to give fish and in particular carp the perfect feed pellet which is good for fish. There is a lot more money in commercial fish farming and in fish keeping around the world than in angling. Anglers have picked up on using pellets and pellet based products as a result of the fish farm industry and fish keeping.

So, im amazed that a new angling bait company to this country can claim that they are producing the best baits for fish and this claim is based on the idea that these baits are good for fish and thats why fish eat them!

The other thing i have noticed about all of the tests done so fare that have been written up and posted on forums. Is that in almost every case. The anglers concerned have used other traditional angling baits in conjunction with these new baits. If you want to test these new baits. Then you need to use them on there own to gain a true picture of there effectiveness. If they are as good as they are claimed. Then there should be no need for the addition of other more traditional angling baits!

Im sure these new baits will catch a few fish but will catch more anglers and in particular those targeting carp on commercial venues. The main reason for this is because fish learn what is edible by eating things they find in the water. Its part of the reason why plastic baits as an example work. Even those these plastic baits have no food value! So, im sure these new baits will produce a few good catches but i will be shocked if these new baits will become the top baits in this country for anglers because they are better than other baits!

It seems strange to me that the Glebe is being used as the main testing venue for much of the testing. This venue is one of the best commercial venues in the country. It stuffed full of fish. It produces regular 200lb match winning weights every year! So, i would be shocked if these new baits did not produce one or two good catches! A less productive venue/venues would give a more clear picture of results of these new products!

Orical said: “What i can tell you is that fish , and all animals will eat whats good for them above a mars bar (except the ob-ease, unhealthy human race!). Its all about minimum out put for maximum benefit!”

I’m not sure coarse fish, carp in particular, are capabkle of making such a consious decision. I for one would rater have a big mac and fries any day over a green leafy salad but I choose not to.

@Jon W wrote:

I for one would rater have a big mac and fries any day over a green leafy salad but I choose not to.

Why not Jon? The Big Mac has 3/4 of a “leafy salad” stuck in it as well lol

I think anglers are naturally a bit sceptical and in all fairness they have the right to be. However, I don’t think anybody has claimed that Marukyu is a wonder bait. From what I can gather, the claims being made are that these are are specialised baits formulated from a very high quality ingredients. And that is fair enough when you consider that the Japanese pride themselves of the quality of their manufacturing. Being a bit of a fan of anything jap you can notice it in all sorts of things.
Personally i like the idea of these new baits, and it will be the thinking anglers that will find good uses for them. Since the commercial boom quite a few companies have sprouted up claiming that there bait is superior when in effect a lot of it is just re bagged and mass produced. I like the idea of these companies now having a bit of competition on the quality front and it should go a long way in raising the standards, which in turn can only be good for anglers.

Im not rushing out to buy any I remember those Skinz they were the best thing since sliced bread now there in the bargain bin in the tackle shop !

I dont know about fish knowing whats good for them in their diet,Humans certainly dont!.Are you posters saying fish are more inteligent than Humans?~naughty ~naughty He He.

to be perfectly honest, looking at the ingredients of these pellets compared to what a lot of match/pleasure anglers are putting into the fisheries, the nutritional value of the Marukyu range of baits is considerably higher than other comparable products. One thing that is certain, I would rather fish knowing I have been providing a food source to the fish that can promote healthy growth (rather than forcing the fish to grow unnaturally). Fisheries should also look at it this way rather than simply wanting to line their pockets. Bruno Broughton certainly knows what he is on about when it comes to fish nutrition.

Darren, does this mean the Marukyu baits are better than others? If so, why (I haven’t read the comments of Dr. Broughton at this stage; has he commented on Marukyu specifically?)?

Not a loaded question; I’m just trying to clarify your comment for myself.

I would think that if the Marukyu baits are of a higher nutritional value, we may be able to get away with using less of them thereby justifying the price. However, I’m not sure this is true when it comes to water pigs, as they seem to prefer a good munch in Summer and on many commies, they’ll eat just about most brands of pellet providing the oil content is right and they haven’t gone off. I’m not sure they’ll make the distinction between a Marukyu pellet and a similar sized one from Dynamite, TBH.

I guess until I’ve tried it in a comparitive test, I won’t be able to convince myself either way!

Dr Broughton hasn’t as far as I am aware put anything in writing regarding the Marukyu baits, but if he is putting himself in the public eye at the shows on the Marukyu stands, he wouldn’t put himself in the position to promote a product that did not offer a balanced nutrition to the fish. If he did and the baits were not good for the fish, then it would be like lighting the blue touch paper.
I haven’t tried the baits myself yet, and can only go by the ingredients stated that are used to make my comments regarding the nutritional value of the baits. A lot of the ingredients listed as used in some of the products are also used in some of the highest nutritional value baits on the specimen scene – some that have been around for many years in one form or another.
By nutritional value I don’t mean that the fish need to eat less of them, but that they offer the same sort of balanced diet that a healthy human would eat.
This is where my thoughts differ from the average match/pleasure angler in that personally, I will not use baits that do not offer a rounded nutritional value to the fish, and at times to the expense of not catching if it means that (which some people may find strange!). First thing I look at with bait is the nutritional value – especially when feeding in the quantities that are required on some of the waters that I fish (not commercials) as most are very old fish. The single exception to this rule is when I require a single hookbait only in the colder months purely for attraction.
Whether or not Marukyu baits will catch you more fish or not is simply down the the angler and the way they are used. They are not going to automatically mean that you are going to empty the place simply by opening a bag, preparing the bait & casting in. I always look at broader spectrums, and these can only offer benefits IMHO to the fish and the fishery.

So your suggesting that Skretting dont offer the best feed pellet for fish and in particular carp? As fare as i am aware. This company have spent millions on the development of pellets for fish farms, fisheries and fish keeping industries.

I would be interested to know if Marukyu baits are designed with the anglers in mind or designed for the oriental fish farm and fish keeping industries?

@TrueBlue wrote:

So your suggesting that Skretting dont offer the best feed pellet for fish and in particular carp? As fare as i am aware. This company have spent millions on the development of pellets for fish farms, fisheries and fish keeping industries.

I would be interested to know if Marukyu baits are designed with the anglers in mind or designed for the oriental fish farm and fish keeping industries?

I havn’t seen the ingredients TB but I am guessing that if they claim these baits are better for the fish and it’s enviroment then theres more plant protien than animal protien (fishmeal) in them.

Plant protiens are for SURE better for fish and their enviroment as they have less ash content in them i.e toxins, but over a long period of time people like skrettings etc etc have realized that fish don’t like to eat plant protiens anywhere near as much as animal pritiens (fishmeal).

Plant protien baits do less damage to the body of water but over time will catch less fish that’s for sure, at first you will catch on them as it’s something new and they always get caught out on something new, but bait’s for carp like many humans the stuff that taste really good is normally what’s bad for us.

@TrueBlue wrote:

So your suggesting that Skretting dont offer the best feed pellet for fish and in particular carp? As fare as i am aware. This company have spent millions on the development of pellets for fish farms, fisheries and fish keeping industries.

Oh and the reason they use fishmeal on fishfarms is because it’s a very high source of energy compared to anmial protiens i.e. they grow much much faster and have a much higer percentage of the 10 vital amino acids i.e. protien

Skretting pellets in fact all bulk pellets were designed and manufactured with fish farming in mind, they are a good food source that packs weight on the fish after all bigger fish = more money that smaller fish. its only over the last 10 or so years we as anglers have picked up on them as fishing bait, they havnt really changed much every now and then they alter the make up change the protein levels etc the colour changes some float we moan and they revert back, but don’t kid yourselves the R & D gone into those product over the years has probably also run into the millions.

The Snipers however with these new products do there research in a totally differnet way, this isnt no umbrella hat or a toilet roll headset

I have read everything I can find about these products and they have really put the time and effort into determining what fish want to eat
the products seem to mix well and really do what they say they do as far as prep and usage go, do they catch fish ? I think maybe they catch anglers easier 🙂 but its another string to the bow that shouldnt be overlooked, and time will tell.

One thing for sure is we in the UK offer the world a suckers market it will sell we buy anything if we think we get an edge 🙂 and well done to anyone that jumps on that market

As for the title and the question of banning, no it shouldnt we have far too many rules as it is, the bait is said to be fish freindly, sure its a tad expensive, but so are top end poles

@TrueBlue wrote:

So your suggesting that Skretting dont offer the best feed pellet for fish and in particular carp? As fare as i am aware. This company have spent millions on the development of pellets for fish farms, fisheries and fish keeping industries.

I would be interested to know if Marukyu baits are designed with the anglers in mind or designed for the oriental fish farm and fish keeping industries?

I am not suggesting anything Steve. Some pellets that are used for rearing younger fish are not necessarily suitable for feeding to more mature fish as the higher ratio contents of certain ingredients can cause damage to the fish’s internal organs if they are fed on too high of amounts without a supplemental diet. I am not saying that nothing should not be used, but if too much of one item that is known to be long term detrimental to the fish is used and the fish are feeding on it as their only food source, then it would be like a human eating only kebab meat and nothing else. A human eating only kebab meat would certainly put on a lot of weight and grow in size, but would do themselves only damage long term internally.

I would say that Marukyu have looked at the fish keeping side of things and bought some stuff over from that side of the market – especially as it is massive business over there. Certainly some of the ingredients that they use are used heavily in the fish keeping industry.

You cant blame these guys for trying to sell a product, but the “claims” by scientists and doctors is a load of tosh, when I used to be in the Pharm business If i paid a doctor enough I could get him to say, sniffing butane is great for back pain !!!!!! its money, its business, I bet Roy, or Bruno arent doing this in the interest of fish health.

All these blokes are getting paid, and trying to sell a product, who can blame em, we are all big and ugly enough to vote with our pockets, and as far as i am aware, they havent employed derren brown or paul makenna to force us to buy this new wonder bait !!!in the mean time Ill stick to me skrettins and a bulk bag of brown crumb for a tenner !!! 🙂

just my penneth worth