Who should he sell out to?

Surely not Labour, who came 2nd!

i wish he’d hurry up and make his mind up.
then whichever set of turds get in could get on with lying to us and giving us a proper dicking.

i’am so sick of politics and politicians it’s like three fleas argueing over which one of them owns the dog they live on.

PSML today , some wag on the radio compared Dave C. to R2D2 made of ham~clap

not sucking up as much as liebour dodge ,i just heard a rumour that city tried to sign nick clegg lol

chuck all the pegs back in the bag and re-draw, the country have said they dont really want any of em.

Yes it’s a mess.

Especially the economy.

Can’t think who’s reponsible.

Must be someone whe’ve never heard of.

And Labour only had the taxpayer funded BBC broadcasting for them.

One day we might have a choice.

Nevertheless, it would be nice to see the Great Leader having to sack the unnecessary public-sector coordinators, monitors, etc when the international money markets point out that he’s a busted flush.

Good news is that us savers are going to get some really high interest returns and there will be lots of cheap property to pick up.

If Cameron’s got any sense he’ll let Labour and Lib get into bed together for when Gordon’s shit hits the fan and come up smelling of roses.

Caster Rob wrote – Who should he sell out to?

Surely not Labour, who came 2nd!

Yes, Labour came 2nd but they can still create a majority Government with the support of the other political parties who have MPs. Thats how our political system works in the UK, Rob. ~think ~think ~think

Personally, i hope a Con/Lib pact can be arranged for 6/12/18 months. The majority of the people will hate the Tories/Liberals after the proposed cuts and the country slipping back into recession with massive job losses and all that goes with it!

Your correct, Rob. Lots of cheap properties to pick up on the back of all the misery of those many people who will lose there homes and be left with nothing. I remember the last time that happened under a Conservative Government. Shows what you think of your fellow man, Rob!!! ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty

A Con/Lib Government would at least give the Labour party time for Gordon Brown to resign with dignity and be replaced with a more exceptable public face for the Labour party. Then have enough time to be ready for the next election and a new Labour Government. WITH A MAJORITY! Which will have to sort out the economy and the mess created by the massive cuts to public services and tax cuts for the rich!

I dont think a Lab/Lib pact in the short term would be good for the country or for either the Labour or Liberal parties at the moment. That is unless they add PR as a core themes of this next parliament. Unlikely any party running the country over the next 2/3 years will be re elected again for a very long time.

Its best for the Conservatives if we have another General election right now. At least they might get 5 years before being out of power again for a very long time!

However, the Labour vote did hold up better than predicted and after the Liberals have attempted to create a deal with the Conservatives. I would not be surprised if a lot of potential Labour voters went back to the Labour party in a new election. As many people would never vote Conservative but did back the Liberals this time! Remember, many people will never trust the Conservatives again after the 80s and 90s! 2010/11 might be the end of the Conservative party for good! ~clap ~clap ~clap

I can’t get passed what Clegg is thinking! Fair enough he came out and said he would support the party with the most seats/votes, which is obviously the Conservatives, but there are simply too many clashes between the two parties under their manifesto pledges (imho) and ideologies. And who is he to edit the tradition that the PM has first crack at forming a government? To me, Brown should have got first chance as its tradition (possibly upheld in the uncodified UK ‘constitution’, but this is just my interpretation), which the Conservatives seem to be going against by having the first go ~think very conservative of them!

For me any alliance would have to be Lib/Lab, as well as the more obvious Green and SDLP. Such a combination would hold 319 seats. Add either national party (Plaid or SNP), whom would obviously side with Lab over Cons, then a combination between 322-328 is obtainale, a scale with which one could govern with, over 326 as definite majority and 321 with Sinn Fein not taking their seats ~shh

Labour clealy had the press, minus the Mirror and the POLITICALLY NEUTRAL BBC against them. If you read anything about Brown and the recession from around the world you’ll see how much he’s been praised and not victimised. Fair enough to Ashcroft by the way, my Mum and Dads Union fees go towards funding the Labour Party(which at least one of them did’nt vote for) enough for this not to be a complaint of mine. And for any firm Conservative voter to even consider going into a coalition with the Lib Dems you clearly have not got a clue about what your party stands for, or are willing to drop your morals at a whim for power, just like Cameron. The same can probably be said for Liberals and Clegg as well though.

The Lib Dems should stay on their own because an alliance with either of the “big” two will be the end of them as a credible political force.

He wins a few medals managing the England team, then thinks he knows how to run the country !

Have to agree with TB on this…i know many people who voted liberal but hate the tories for what they did to the north UK in the 80’s. I think they will all be gutted, and coming back to labour.

well we’ve managed to get a hung parliament.
can we now try hanging the polititions? lol

@youngy wrote:

Have to agree with TB on this…i know many people who voted liberal but hate the tories for what they did to the north UK in the 80’s. I think they will all be gutted, and coming back to labour.

bugger the 80s. what about what labour have done to this country in the last few years?

British manufacturing is now virtually non existent, the only people who have done well is the bankers – as a taxpayer the labour government bailed out without my consent a certain scottish bank that then FORCED my company to make half the workforce redundant and give the rest of us a large, permanent pay cut, and they are still holding us to ransom now. Brilliant work from a party that purports to serve the working man.

Quite frankly any cuts and hardship that come now from the Tories will be because they are having to clear up Gordons Sh!t…

A few points for those who believe everything that is said and written by the Tory media and Tory press.

Gordon Brown did not created the WORLD RECESSION! Gordon Brown in fact put the plans together so the world could move out of the WORLD RECESSION as quickly as possible.

Without Gordon Brown there was a real possibility that the WORLD RECESSION would end up as a 1930s type WORLD DEPRESSION!

Furthermore, the Tories would have allowed the banks to go under!!! That was your savings that the potential new Conservative Government would have allowed to be lost! That is your money!

This country and likely the rest of the World would have been in a much bigger mess if Tory ideas had been followed! Most still have a home, money in the bank and a job to pay the weekly bills. Many of you who voted Conservative should be saying a very big thank you to Gordon Brown and the Labour Government for saving your way of life and everything you have worked hard for!

Rather than looking for ways to knock Gordon Brown and the last Labour Government. You should find and listen to the speech by Gordon Brown 3 days before the General Election where he lists 55 achievements of the last Labour Government. Very impressive list that has effected almost every member of our society in a very positive way!

Dave, your correct. The 5 Labour MPs in Liverpool increased there majorities at the General Election and the Council was taken back by Labour from the Liberals. The reason is clear. Those in our City remember the 80s and 90s under a Conservative Government better than most and we are fearful of what they will attempt to do again! God help us all.

Dodge, its only taken the BBC 3 days to finally say that Gordon Brown has no choice but to stay as PM until a new Government and PM can be found. Why has it taken all this time to tell the people the truth about Why Gordon Brown is still in charge? Its very clear to me that its not just Sky TV and the Tory press that are manipulating every situation!

dodge mate i am willing to bet that no one hates the tories more than i but i also see new labour as thatcherites. they have done zit to reform the labour laws in fact they’ve strenthened them to the point where people are being sacked and having to reapply for there jobs. it is now becoming the norm amongst the working class to accept minimum wage jobs with handouts from foriegn owners. as soon as some one tries to protect his job using the only tool the working man has “striking” he is castigated by all the meme,s in this country who have been brainwashed by murdock into thinking that these people are just a bunch of trotskies living in the 70s. there not there decent working people who just want to earn a living. show me a party that speaks for me in a fair way and they will get my vote but i wont hold my breath. stuff clegg/cameron/brown there one and the same.

I thank Gordon for creating all those quango’s, giving all my hard earned money to layabouts who stay in bed all day, making everybody in the country owe thouands of pounds because he doesn’t know when to stop spending. For kids who are leaving school who can’t read, write or add up. For doubling the NHS costs but still giving crap service.
Only 49 to go. I could go on.

Can’t believe some of the stuff I’m reading on here about what Thatcher “did” to the North and “did” to Liverpool (the city of grieving).
All she did was rectify ten years of weak government that had succumbed to unsustainable Trade Union demands achieved by blackmail and bullying.
She took us from the laughing stock “Sick Man of Europe” monicker to the 4th largest economy in the World – where are we now? As for manufacturing, we’ve had the sharpest decline ever, under the current Labour administration.
Why do you think she was elected three times in succession – because everything she did was wrong?
Oh, and the BBC was anti-Tory in those days too.
Perhaps you whingers could be clever enough to suggest an alternative solution to what Thatcher did – printing money and emulating the Zimbabwean economic model a la Gordo perhaps?

Dodge.

Can’t pass the soap, Mandelson’s using it, as always.

LAUGHING STOCK? SICK MAN OF EUROPE??? caster how would you describe us today. broke! full of foriegners! no industry! importing coal by the bucket load! no car industry/ship/steel.50% of the country on benifits! all our utilities owned by foriengn countries! hospitals killing as many as they cure! care homes closing by the bucket load! pole tax up 200%!balance of trade figures a joke so much so they are never mentioned!police afraid to leave there station,fuel now only for the wealthy! dont make me laugh son thatcher destroyed our working class and created this mess we call england. trouble is now the working class are thrashed they,ve started on the middle class no point in having managers if you,ve no workers to manage.sooner or later it will come to a door near you then you will wake up and smell the roses

dodge and co stick to fishing,your obviously better at that than being political correspondents lol

Labour can look back on their 13 years of power and be proud of some magnificent achievements. Introduction of the national minimum wage, investment in building new schools and hospitals and granting independence to the Bank of England, to name but three.

One thing that you will notice about most of these achievements is that they can clearly be attributed to Labour’s first term in office. Since 2001 and certainly from 2003 onwards, the Labour government began to run out of steam. The grass roots realised that Blair was more New Right than Old Labour: think PPP, quasi-markets in healthcare and education and further privatisations. I also recall Blair’s Thatcherite-stoicism to the first union challenge that he faced down (from Andy Gilchrist’s FBU in 2002/3).

Since 2003, Brown, first as Chancellor and latterly as PM, trumpeted his achievement of bringing an end to “boom and bust”. What we have now realised is that Brown did not bring an end to boom and bust. He free rode off the benign economic conditions (assisted by the Conservative party’s legacy of strong economic policy in the mid- to late-90s) for 5 years, then irresponsibly propagated an unsustainable debt fuelled economic boom through 2003-7.

In 2007, the global economy came to a crashing halt. For those of you smart enough to see through the red-top diatribe, you will recall that this was not a credit crunch caused by greedy bankers. It was attributable to the bursting of an Anglo Saxon property bubble on both sides of that Atlantic. Brown is significantly culpable for this. Banks only had the opportunity to (profitably) invest in ABSs, MBSs, CDOs, CDO-squared, etc because Brown (and Clinton and Bush on the other side of the pond) created an environment where 125% mortgages and ‘NINJA’ (no income, no job, no assets) loans seemed like good ideas. If that isn’t a politically-created economic bubble, then I do not know what is.

And since the bubble burst, the private sector of the UK economy has taken the pain, whilst the public (and quasi-public) sector has continued to enjoy inflation-busting pay rises. In London, we had the ludicrous situation of increasingly empty tube carriages as people working in financial services lost their jobs, whilst the tube drivers were on strike demanding a 10% pay rise. I am not asking for sympathy for multi-millionaire bankers, rather the vast majority of hard working people who earn modest salaries, but rely on the private sector, including the financial services industry, for employment.

The time has now come for the economy to be re-balanced. Under Labour, the public sector has burgeoned to half of GDP. One quarter of government spending is financed not through tax receipts, but through public borrowing. The reliance on debt that sent us into the crisis is now being championed by Brown as the solution. The only difference is that, instead of you and I borrowing the money and spending it on new cars, new houses and holidays, Brown is borrowing it on our behalf and wasting it on public sector inefficacy.

Another Labour government would send the national debt spiralling to Greece-like levels and threaten our sovereignty. Decision making by a democratically elected British government would subordinate to EU and IMF suzerainty. This is our last chance to save the British economy from the abyss.

It is time for the public sector to toughen up in the way that the private sector has had to over the last three years. One key reason that unemployment has not been higher is because private sector workers have taken pay cuts, unpaid leave, reduced hours, etc, as an alternative to unemployment. If the public sector had done this, the fiscal crisis facing the new government would be much less severe than the position that the debt-obsessed Brown has left it in.

The Conservatives, whilst not without their faults (their policy on inheritance tax is, in my opinion at best unhelpful and at worst grossly unfair) are the only party prepared to make the reforms that our public sector urgently requires. Put aside your old loyalt

How anyone can come on here and defend the Tory 80’s government is beyond me.~naughty ~naughty ~naughty

Excellent piece Gary.

Brown and his government have tried to scapegoat the banks for their own failings.

andy cranes mate, I find it far more baffling that anyone can defend the Labour government of the 2000s that has given us a £165bn fiscal deficit (much of it structural) and taken national debt to the highest level in British history.

dodge stick to fishing and leave politics and football alone lol

Dodge, William Hague went to a state comprehensive school in Rotherham, just like yours truly. Unlike me, however, Hague made a terrible choice at the age of 18. He went to Oxford.

Gary, ~clap ~clap ~clap . I will forgive you for missing of the social abomination that is currently this country, the constant way the human rights gravy train makes a mockery of common sense ( at great profit for the lawyers and barristers (Cherie Blair?) ), the unprecedented intrusions into our lives and I am greatful you didn’t start on “green” taxation as we would be here all night!
Yes I was a Labour supporter (and member) but what has happened to the financial and social structure of this country demoralises me. I could go on but it just depresses me!

@Gary wrote:

andy cranes mate, I find it far more baffling that anyone can defend the Labour government of the 2000s that has given us a £165bn fiscal deficit (much of it structural) and taken national debt to the highest level in British history.

I’m not defending anyone. I just find it amazing how some people on here are looking through blue tinted sun glasses as far as the 80’s are concerned.

“”In 2007, the global economy came to a crashing halt. For those of you smart enough to see through the red-top diatribe, you will recall that this was not a credit crunch caused by greedy bankers. It was attributable to the bursting of an Anglo Saxon property bubble on both sides of that Atlantic. Brown is significantly culpable for this. Banks only had the opportunity to (profitably) invest in ABSs, MBSs, CDOs, CDO-squared, etc because Brown (and Clinton and Bush on the other side of the pond) created an environment where 125% mortgages and ‘NINJA’ (no income, no job, no assets) loans seemed like good ideas. If that isn’t a politically-created economic bubble, then I do not know what is.””

So let me get this right. What your saying is that it was Gordon Brown’s fault that the banks threw money at anyone that wanted it? Browns only failing maybe, was to think the banks would have half a brain and not lend money to people who couldnt pay it back and not to buy bad foreign debt.

Playing devil’s advocate, I suppose you could ask, would we be any better off if we had had 10 years of James Callaghan (he of winter of discontent fame) and/ or Michael Foot? But I don’t really think we should focus too much on political history. This is about the future of our nation.

If Brown hadn’t neutered the Bank of England and put his pet FSA in charge the banks wouldn’t have been able to “throw money at anyone who wanted it”.

The banks could only lend money to borrowers, if people hadn’t borrowed so much there wouldn’t have been a credit bubble. Perhaps they were encouraged by Brown’s modest claim to have “abolished the economic cycle” and “ended boom and bust”. Shame they were taken in by his vain boasting.

I’m sorry but using the arguement that some how the banks couldnt help themselves doesnt hold water. They were like little children in a sweet shop. People trusted banks to be “grown up” with there money and not to be driven by short term greed and profit.

Nick is a disgrace he should not be talking to anyone. All 3 leaders and their parties have spent years telling us they were different but deep down they are just the same.
DC should be PM and lead a minority government and the other parties support or not as they choose. In the event support is not forthcomming then we all vote again.
As for history it is just a bad memory, so bad that my last British car, a Leyland was so bad I have bought German cars ever since. I worked in a Nationalised industry and it was a joke. Most politicians could not run a corner shop.
The unions ruled and we as a country were bust. I hated Thatcher but what she did was essential.
I have no reason to believe that the public sector now is not just as bad as Natinalised indusries were back then.

As for a multi party Labour led Govt with the 6 Scots and 3 Welsh hoding the balance of power dont even go there.

Winds me up why all of a sudden a 3rd choice party (by some distance) hold all the aces in the pack, surely its the choice of the highest voting party to decide on coalition or minority govt!?!

Of course one answer to all of this is ,if when cameron gets to number 10 ,call alex salmond and tell him and the welsh nats “here you dont need a referendum on independence ,we the english are giving it to you,after all you did’nt want us to have a vote on it ,so we wont ,here take it look after yourselves,oh and btw you can keep all the labour mp’s you’ve got”
Job done labours arse wipes, wiped out in one fell swoop ,want to play games gordon join the big boys games .
End of !

And who just happeneds to be running all this labour clinging on bit er yeah you guessed Mandleson who i remind you along with the other s—-e cambell are not even elected ,lord of the dark arts ,man who likes chocolate on his biscuit,he was on the boat with deirypasco?spelling some said he wanted money ? personnally i think he was after his derriere not deirypasco’s money

Lord Peter Mandleson for President! ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap

The union is finished let the jocks and taffy’s run their own countries as from tommorow,thus wiping out labour and lib dems chances of ever returning to power in perpetuity,no more rag bag lib dem [forced into another election labour pacts]coffins in the street everybody and his dog forced into striking by the backers of the labour party.No more unelected pm’s from another country ,bring it on smash the union forever we will have a constant tory government and then the ENGLISH will have what they ALWAYS vote for a CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT

Cant wait for the next election ,3 months,6 months not botherd either way as the people of this country will remember and labour and lib dems will be cast into the pages of history,and besides that the rats in the labour party are at it already infighting ,it all bodes well does’nt it Milliband walks under a ladder on the telly ,Clegg falls over his ego walking into his house bring it on,the only show in town is tory,lib agreement anything else and election time and the total annihilation of labour and lib dems .
Be carefull of what you wish for,be afraid very afraid of the next election if an agreement between lid dems and tories does not happen ,TORY GOVERNMENT FOREVER

@andy cranes mate wrote:

“”In 2007, the global economy came to a crashing halt. For those of you smart enough to see through the red-top diatribe, you will recall that this was not a credit crunch caused by greedy bankers. It was attributable to the bursting of an Anglo Saxon property bubble on both sides of that Atlantic. Brown is significantly culpable for this. Banks only had the opportunity to (profitably) invest in ABSs, MBSs, CDOs, CDO-squared, etc because Brown (and Clinton and Bush on the other side of the pond) created an environment where 125% mortgages and ‘NINJA’ (no income, no job, no assets) loans seemed like good ideas. If that isn’t a politically-created economic bubble, then I do not know what is.””

So let me get this right. What your saying is that it was Gordon Brown’s fault that the banks threw money at anyone that wanted it? Browns only failing maybe, was to think the banks would have half a brain and not lend money to people who couldnt pay it back and not to buy bad foreign debt.

I am not sure how familiar you are with how the banking industry works, but let me break it down for you. There are two sides to the mortgage market from a bank’s perspective. First, the sell-side operation, taking loans out to market and trying to increase their market share. Second, the funding side, making sure that the banks have sufficient funds to lend.

On the sell-side, banks primarily compete on interest rates (ie, if they want to increase their market share, they cut the rates they will lend at). When rates hit rock bottom, banks compete on LTV (loan to value) ratios. When LTVs are in excess of 100%, banks start to compete on how lax they will be on risk management, ie, who is prepared to lend money to the least viable borrower. And were the banks really stupid when, as CR points out, Brown had convinced them that he abolished boom and bust, indicated that house prices would increase at 10%+ p.a. ad infinitum and put the FSA in charge of regulating the banks, who seemed to think that this was all fine.

On the funding side, banks source their funding from three main places. First, savers deposits, second, securitisation markets and third, money markets. Savers deposits have not altered significantly over the period in question; therefore, the other two factors are key. Securitisation is what gives rise to the MBSs and CDOs that facilitated the funding boom that meant that lax sell-side activity took place. What has emerged from the crisis is that there was a disconnect between the buyers of the securitisation assets and the sell-side activity, ie, the people providing the funding did not appreciate quite how lax sell-side practices were. This meant that the risk of default was significantly higher than the AAA ratings allocated by the rating agencies suggested.

Money market funding is, in its nature, a short term stop gap solution in between launching securitisations or other longer term sources of finance. Unfortunately, companies like B&B and Northern Rock used short term money market funds to finance long term mortgages. This is a fundamental mismatch that the regulator should not have allowed to happen. As it happens, the FSA recently launched a new banking liquidity regulatory regime, which is designed, inter alia, to address this going forward.

Obviously, there is a demand side to the mortgage equation as well. Brown is also culpable here. It is not just the banks’ job to work out who can and cannot afford to borrow money. People have an individual responsibility to determine the level of debt that they can afford. This is typical Labour, in spite of Blair’s rhetoric of rights and responsibilities.

It was Brown, debt-obsessed as he is, that supported the notion that it was a good idea to take out 125% mortgages and spend the extra money on new cars and holidays. This is because the fundamentals in the economy pointed out that it had run out of steam in 2002/3 and debt was the only thing that could keep it going. Brown had to abandon his ‘golden rules of fiscal prudence’ because he

Another excellent informative post Gary, required reading for a few I think.

All labour followers ever do is go on about Thatcher. For god sake she left office 20 years ago leaving the country in a much better state than she took over and a much better stae than its in now. Industry was wrecked by unions, i worked in the car industry for 4 years and can see why my plant shut down. When you are tyrying to compete in a world market and progress such as robotic lines were invented how are you going to compete and go forward when the unions still insist on 1 man 1 job and the rest of the world are running 2 or 3 machines each. Yes we all want to work but you have to be realistic. If labour had got back in our country would have gone bust end of. I dont know why we talk on sites like this as we will not change each others views we should stick to fishing

lloydy, you are absolutely right in so far as not being able to change each others emotionally driven views. What I have tried to do is present facts that allow people to come to their own decision.

Unfortunately, people tend to vote with their hearts and not with their heads.

@Dodge wrote:

Calm down Lloydy people can say what they want ….. its called being democratic ! hows the squatt fishing going by the way? lol

Too much Tory bullsh!t on here for me, its like listening to Nick Robinson and that bell end Adam Boulton from Sky News ~naughty ~naughty

WE WILL BE BACK ~clap ~clap ~clap

No worries Dodge, this is a democratic country and i respect everybody has their views.All the lads laughed at me when i predicted the economy would collapse about 5 years ago, how can you have an average wage of 30k but a cheap house is 90k summs dont add up. Dodge ask all the lads i drink with they will tell you i predicted it.

Squatt fishing is rubbish at mo, cant catch.
Are you lot in an angling times this year.

5 years? That’s nothing.

I predicted it 10 years ago when Brown ditched Ken Clarke’s economic parameters.
Was only ever going to end one way.

Bet Gary remembers!

Dodge, If you have a wage of £1000 per month coming in and bills of £1500 going out you cannot borrow the difference, or go in the garage and print the money to make up the difference. This is Labour/Brown policy.

I live in swindon where Rover/Pressed Steel used to produce cars. The union used to call strikes at the drop of the hat but at a conveinent time around shift changes. Everybody would go home, no production. In the end no Rover. These were Labour unions, no conservertive unions shut down factories.

If you ran a business would you like to have a system in place like that?

My money, paid in taxes, goes to people who don;t work, have never worked or don’t want to work. Why??????

if its not been said before dad was right a vote for the libs is a vote torys[ end off]

you have just got to look at nick cleggs constituancy. historically tory, he is only the 3rd non tory to be voted in. one of the others was in for 2 years in the early 1900. oh yes he was unapposed. sheffield hallam it is were the rich and powerfull of sheffield live. in going with the tories nick clegg is looking after thoes who acctually voted for him.

this is living proof od democracy in action:
labour 200+ seats in opposition
lib.dem 50+ seats in power.

Am I the only one that thinks he’s a dead ringer for Pike out of Dads Army ~think Stupid Boy!! ~clap

Pike

I,ve been watching the coalition being put together with horror and total shock. This is not Party politics or Government as we have ever known it.

I keep asking myself how can this coalition work in the long term? Can it work? What happens if it falls apart as most would expect? What happens if it does work for the full 5 years and the majority of ppl in the country are happy? PR?

I,ve also been listening closely to those in the Labour party. They seem to be saying all the right things. They are putting a new leader in place and questioning why they lost the Election. They seem to be attempting to learning from the past in a very positive and constructive way. Its all very refreshing from a Labour supporters point of view.

This could be the end of both the Conservative and Liberal parties in any future Governments if the coalition fails! Both the Conservative and Liberals parties will be hated by everybody if the coalition falls apart.

However, if the coalition works for the full 5 years and the country seems to be doing ok. It could also be the end of the Labour party as a Governing party forever!

There is a hell of a lot of political power riding on this coalition for all of the main political parties in future elections/Government!

Are you worried Caster Rob and the other Conservative supporters? I know i am.

@Gary wrote:

@andy cranes mate wrote:

“”In 2007, the global economy came to a crashing halt. For those of you smart enough to see through the red-top diatribe, you will recall that this was not a credit crunch caused by greedy bankers. It was attributable to the bursting of an Anglo Saxon property bubble on both sides of that Atlantic. Brown is significantly culpable for this. Banks only had the opportunity to (profitably) invest in ABSs, MBSs, CDOs, CDO-squared, etc because Brown (and Clinton and Bush on the other side of the pond) created an environment where 125% mortgages and ‘NINJA’ (no income, no job, no assets) loans seemed like good ideas. If that isn’t a politically-created economic bubble, then I do not know what is.””

So let me get this right. What your saying is that it was Gordon Brown’s fault that the banks threw money at anyone that wanted it? Browns only failing maybe, was to think the banks would have half a brain and not lend money to people who couldnt pay it back and not to buy bad foreign debt.

I am not sure how familiar you are with how the banking industry works, but let me break it down for you. There are two sides to the mortgage market from a bank’s perspective. First, the sell-side operation, taking loans out to market and trying to increase their market share. Second, the funding side, making sure that the banks have sufficient funds to lend.

On the sell-side, banks primarily compete on interest rates (ie, if they want to increase their market share, they cut the rates they will lend at). When rates hit rock bottom, banks compete on LTV (loan to value) ratios. When LTVs are in excess of 100%, banks start to compete on how lax they will be on risk management, ie, who is prepared to lend money to the least viable borrower. And were the banks really stupid when, as CR points out, Brown had convinced them that he abolished boom and bust, indicated that house prices would increase at 10%+ p.a. ad infinitum and put the FSA in charge of regulating the banks, who seemed to think that this was all fine.

On the funding side, banks source their funding from three main places. First, savers deposits, second, securitisation markets and third, money markets. Savers deposits have not altered significantly over the period in question; therefore, the other two factors are key. Securitisation is what gives rise to the MBSs and CDOs that facilitated the funding boom that meant that lax sell-side activity took place. What has emerged from the crisis is that there was a disconnect between the buyers of the securitisation assets and the sell-side activity, ie, the people providing the funding did not appreciate quite how lax sell-side practices were. This meant that the risk of default was significantly higher than the AAA ratings allocated by the rating agencies suggested.

Money market funding is, in its nature, a short term stop gap solution in between launching securitisations or other longer term sources of finance. Unfortunately, companies like B&B and Northern Rock used short term money market funds to finance long term mortgages. This is a fundamental mismatch that the regulator should not have allowed to happen. As it happens, the FSA recently launched a new banking liquidity regulatory regime, which is designed, inter alia, to address this going forward.

Obviously, there is a demand side to the mortgage equation as well. Brown is also culpable here. It is not just the banks’ job to work out who can and cannot afford to borrow money. People have an individual responsibility to determine the level of debt that they can afford. This is typical Labour, in spite of Blair’s rhetoric of rights and responsibilities.

It was Brown, debt-obsessed as he is, that supported the notion that it was a good idea to take out 125% mortgages and spend the extra money on new cars and holidays. This is because the fundamentals in the economy pointed out that it had run out of steam in 2002/3 and debt was the only thing that could keep it going. Brown had to abandon his ‘golden rules of fiscal prudence

@TrueBlue wrote:

I,ve been watching the coalition being put together with horror and total shock. This is not Party politics or Government as we have ever known it.

I keep asking myself how can this coalition work in the long term? Can it work? What happens if it falls apart as most would expect? What happens if it does work for the full 5 years and the majority of ppl in the country are happy? PR?

I,ve also been listening closely to those in the Labour party. They seem to be saying all the right things. They are putting a new leader in place and questioning why they lost the Election. They seem to be attempting to learning from the past in a very positive and constructive way. Its all very refreshing from a Labour supporters point of view.

This could be the end of both the Conservative and Liberal parties in any future Governments if the coalition fails! Both the Conservative and Liberals parties will be hated by everybody if the coalition falls apart.

However, if the coalition works for the full 5 years and the country seems to be doing ok. It could also be the end of the Labour party as a Governing party forever!

There is a hell of a lot of political power riding on this coalition for all of the main political parties in future elections/Government!

Are you worried Caster Rob and the other Conservative supporters? I know i am.

Worried no over the moon the loonies have gone and NEVER to reappear cos at last the lob sided all in favour of nulabor constituenceies are gonna be binne for good and about time,its you who should be worried cos you aint comming back again ,rats ,ship,sinking come to mind with the nulabor party over the last 24 hours.

LOL vote for me i doubled the national debt,vote for me ,you want money i’ll print it for you ,on benefits leave it to me i’ll borrow it !,you want to know what? where’s the money comming from? ah dont worry we’ll print some more ,paying it back no we will leave that for everybody else to clean it up ,yeah you know just like we always do ,you know more out of work when we left that when we came in,country in debt up to its eyeballs ,vote for me i’ll set you free,we will have an open door policy so we can swamp the country with immigrants and rum the rights nose in it,sorry madam what was that you want to know where all the eastern europeans are comming here from ???????? YOU BIGOT how dare you ask me that you know WHO i am ? i’m your master Gordon Brown you’re here to serve he greater good of nulabor ,cheek of the woman SHE though WE work for the PEOPLE ,omg just how thick are some of these people.Now you must excuse me ,mandy wants a boy sent to his room,tony is on the sunbed,jacks doing 104mph up the moterway,jackie and her hubby are getting a little heated watching porn in the bedroom ,when she asked if it was ok ? i said yeah just stick it on expenses,hazel said shall i buy £14000 lottery tickets with what i screwed out of the taxpayer,no you keep it gal,i told blunkett TWICE not to try and smuggle a woman in ,just do it like the rest and invite them in,derrypasco is at the door he wants to know if mandy’s comming out to play something about lowering the aluminium tarriffs so he can make another billion tommorow and mandy wants to join the filthy rich,omg its getting crazy here whats that!!!!!!ecclestone says do you want a fast car gordon to get you away? no i certainly dont i’ll walk with my future wallet held high after all its not everybody who can make out he’s been the best conman for 13 years and get away with through all smoke and mirrors,anyway better make gettaway oh er sorry departure before those comming actually see the books cos people might have a low opinion of me lol, still i will make a million anyway and yeah for being a conman but its good work and somebody has to do it so it might as well be MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Mervyn King says ,6 billion cuts MUST BE MADE NOW ,s crisis over the eurozone will cost us if not with speed ,oh and some say dont do it this year ,just shows what they knew ,proberly thats why they went !!!!!!!!!!!!

Just a thought to those who are worried ,could it be that your worry is that it just might work,cos of course if it does WHERE DO YOU GO????????????????????

oh yeah that not very nice place…………………… OBLIVION !!!!!!!!!!

Glen, it looks to me like your rant means that your very worried about who the Conservatives have got in to bed with and what the political future is if the coalition falls apart before the 5 year period.

All political parties made mistakes or ripped off the expenses. That includes our new PM!

Also, almost every country was at fault over the banking crisis. Easy to say it was Browns fault for political gain. However, why did Cameron not say we need more regulation of the banks now? The Conservatives where supposed to be the main opposition in Parliament. They knew what was going on but said we need even less regulation of the banks! Guess that was a neglect of duty or was it that he also got it wrong! Just about every country in the world get it wrong! So, it must have been Gordon Brown,s fault! Guess Brown got the subsequent responses to the banking crisis wrong in your eyes. Cameron would have given us a depression and allowed many hundreds of thousands of people to lose there whole life savings and there homes. We would have also had a further million plus people on the dole!

Give some credit where it is deserved over Brown and the last Labour Government. Also except that Cameron got some very important decisions totally wrong!

Glen, if the coalition does work for the full 5 years and the country is doing well. High employment and services not savaged. Then i agree with you. It will be a very long way back for the Labour party. Maybe over 65 years like the Liberals before the Labour party are part of Government again. However, PR will be the only way for all political parties at that point as it will have been shown to work because of the coalition!

Why do you think the Liberals are so happy to work with the Conservatives and insisted on a full 5 year term? Its a win, win situation for them or no worse than before for them. Its PR if the coalition works for the full 5 years and gives good Government for the country. If it fails. Well they got a chance in Government which they where unlikely to have ever had without a coalition!

@Dodge wrote:

Whats the name of our new government then ?

Is it the ConDems

Or the ConDoms ?

Its the condoms mate coz we are all going to get shafted!

Ah PR ,trueblue now i’m not sure if this is right but for now i’ll say it is! it was quoted on radio 5 yesterday morning and verfied so you pays your money and takes your chance but here goes anyway.
If under PR say and the trickle down of voting ?if the BNP get 8% of the votes they could finish up with 50 mp’s now i dont know how that works but if it was said and as i say verified “on air” then i guess you and others being in favour and an advocate of PR would be quite happy for this to happen.
The Tories had 13 years in opposition for their previous “sins” you have had 5 day and are bleeting already ,you’re in opposition now get used to it .
Listening to Labour voters its like when we were kids in the playground ,your best friend or who you thought was your best friend walking to school with the lad who pinched you plimsols he day before and shouting in the street
“eh! i thought you were my best friend,you’re not comming to my house for ta again”
Ina word pathetic

Ah PR ,trueblue now i’m not sure if this is right but for now i’ll say it is! it was quoted on radio 5 yesterday morning and verfied so you pays your money and takes your chance but here goes anyway.
If under PR say and the trickle down of voting ?if the BNP get 8% of the votes they could finish up with 50 mp’s now i dont know how that works but if it was said and as i say verified “on air” then i guess you and others being in favour and an advocate of PR would be quite happy for this to happen.
The Tories had 13 years in opposition for their previous “sins” you have had 5 day and are bleeting already ,you’re in opposition now get used to it .
Listening to Labour voters its like when we were kids in the playground ,your best friend or who you thought was your best friend walking to school with the lad who pinched you plimsols the day before and shouting in the street
“eh! i thought you were my best friend,you’re not comming to my house for tea again”
In a word pathetic

@Dodge wrote:

glen worthington ….

What a shining light you are to all Tories,its no wonder they are despised by so many in this country ! ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~shh

And labour are loved by er 28% of the population
you’re in opposition get used to it end of ,its the same as i said ,you’re worried INCASE it works ,if it does you’re more dead than a dead blue parrot from norway.
Oh btw can any nulabor voter tell me why Welbeck Pit was closed on monday by the LABOUR GOVERNMENT after all they were STILL the government then,er could it just be that it had run out of coal,oh nevermind we could just carry on paying miners to sit on their arses and we will keep paying them with tax payers money,or should we go back to £1 for every 30p worth of coal we get out ,yeah economics of the madhouse ,eh no wonder you’re in opposition !

I said keep politics off site, your starting to get personal now.

Anyone with a mortgage or a job must be quaking in their boot’s!!!

Er will that include mandleson ,oh no he had 2 did’nt he ? with money er that fell from the sky
Trueblue ,er 1 million extra on the dole
Proof please ,not soundbites ,proof
Brown lied to the inquiry FACT
Brown lied when he said defence budget rose every year LIE,FACT
Brown lied when he said that the m.o.d had everything they asked for,young men and women DIED for the failure of Browns grubby little smoke and mirrors trick, FACT
Brown lied,lied ,lied.come on trueblue,you’re defending Brown tell me i’m wrong,TRY AND PULL A NULABOR TRICK AND TELL us WE ARE ALL WRONG AND THEY WERE RIGHT,LIES OR NOT ?

@glen worthington wrote:

@Dodge wrote:

glen worthington ….

What a shining light you are to all Tories,its no wonder they are despised by so many in this country ! ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~shh

And labour are loved by er 28% of the population
you’re in opposition get used to it end of ,its the same as i said ,you’re worried INCASE it works ,if it does you’re more dead than a dead blue parrot from norway.
Oh btw can any nulabor voter tell me why Welbeck Pit was closed on monday by the LABOUR GOVERNMENT after all they were STILL the government then,er could it just be that it had run out of coal,oh nevermind we could just carry on paying miners to sit on their arses and we will keep paying them with tax payers money,or should we go back to £1 for every 30p worth of coal we get out ,yeah economics of the madhouse ,eh no wonder you’re in opposition !

Right. Welbeck pit is owned by UK coal, a private company. They shut the pit due to geological problems.

5 days in opposition and its
bleat,bleat,bleat,do your nulabor voters take a torch out at night ,
well i suppose you must do cos ……you would’nt want an ugly sheep would you !

You’re in opposition get used to it,or is there a unwritten rule somewhere that says Nulabor have a god given right to govern ?

You’re in opposition get used to it

@andy cranes mate wrote:

@glen worthington wrote:

@Dodge wrote:

glen worthington ….

What a shining light you are to all Tories,its no wonder they are despised by so many in this country ! ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~shh

And labour are loved by er 28% of the population
you’re in opposition get used to it end of ,its the same as i said ,you’re worried INCASE it works ,if it does you’re more dead than a dead blue parrot from norway.
Oh btw can any nulabor voter tell me why Welbeck Pit was closed on monday by the LABOUR GOVERNMENT after all they were STILL the government then,er could it just be that it had run out of coal,oh nevermind we could just carry on paying miners to sit on their arses and we will keep paying them with tax payers money,or should we go back to £1 for every 30p worth of coal we get out ,yeah economics of the madhouse ,eh no wonder you’re in opposition !

Right. Welbeck pit is owned by UK coal, a private company. They shut the pit due to geological problems.

Oh should’nt we have kept it open ? if not why not ? after all its only under tories that pits shut surely ?
why not just throw money at it ? that union not pay owt to nulabor ?is unempolyment a price worth paying or if you work in the public sector then private sector can shed all the jobs to protect the gold plated pensions of he molly coddled public sector labour funding unions ,er no need to answer we all know !

Always been a tory voter,but could not bring myself to vote for Cameron.Too much flipping of principles: loves all immigrants,they make great contribution so lets cut back on it.
All relationships are equal and to prove we are equal we will give £250 quid to hetrosexual married couples.
Tough on crime,lets reach out and hug a hoodie etc,etc.
The guy is only interested in power,no principals no compass.What we have had is a general election with no outright winner and now two power hungry no marks get together and write a manifesto after the country has voted!How the hell they can dare to govern for 5years, unelected, defeats me.What do both of these parties now stand for and when we do get around to another election is there going to be a joint manifesto or will it be cats in a sack time with a 3 2 1 countdown to hostilitys.
Absolute disgrace if this coalition lasts more than 6 months.

The majority of the workforce are being relocated.

The Torys took an axe to everything. Union reform was needed, as was modernisation of industry but why bother to do that when you can just shut the lot down and sell off the rest to fund tax cuts for the more well off.

@Dodge wrote:

@glen worthington wrote:

@andy cranes mate wrote:

@glen worthington wrote:

@Dodge wrote:

glen worthington ….

What a shining light you are to all Tories,its no wonder they are despised by so many in this country ! ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~shh

And labour are loved by er 28% of the population
you’re in opposition get used to it end of ,its the same as i said ,you’re worried INCASE it works ,if it does you’re more dead than a dead blue parrot from norway.
Oh btw can any nulabor voter tell me why Welbeck Pit was closed on monday by the LABOUR GOVERNMENT after all they were STILL the government then,er could it just be that it had run out of coal,oh nevermind we could just carry on paying miners to sit on their arses and we will keep paying them with tax payers money,or should we go back to £1 for every 30p worth of coal we get out ,yeah economics of the madhouse ,eh no wonder you’re in opposition !

Right. Welbeck pit is owned by UK coal, a private company. They shut the pit due to geological problems.

Oh should’nt we have kept it open ? if not why not ? after all its only under tories that pits shut surely ?
why not just throw money at it ? that union not pay owt to nulabor ?is unempolyment a price worth paying or if you work in the public sector then private sector can shed all the jobs to protect the gold plated pensions of he molly coddled public sector labour funding unions ,er no need to answer we all know !

And ?

And ~shh are in oppositin get used to it !

@Dodge wrote:

@glen worthington wrote:

@Dodge wrote:

@glen worthington wrote:

@andy cranes mate wrote:

@glen worthington wrote:

@Dodge wrote:

glen worthington ….

What a shining light you are to all Tories,its no wonder they are despised by so many in this country ! ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~shh

And labour are loved by er 28% of the population
you’re in opposition get used to it end of ,its the same as i said ,you’re worried INCASE it works ,if it does you’re more dead than a dead blue parrot from norway.
Oh btw can any nulabor voter tell me why Welbeck Pit was closed on monday by the LABOUR GOVERNMENT after all they were STILL the government then,er could it just be that it had run out of coal,oh nevermind we could just carry on paying miners to sit on their arses and we will keep paying them with tax payers money,or should we go back to £1 for every 30p worth of coal we get out ,yeah economics of the madhouse ,eh no wonder you’re in opposition !

Right. Welbeck pit is owned by UK coal, a private company. They shut the pit due to geological problems.

Oh should’nt we have kept it open ? if not why not ? after all its only under tories that pits shut surely ?
why not just throw money at it ? that union not pay owt to nulabor ?is unempolyment a price worth paying or if you work in the public sector then private sector can shed all the jobs to protect the gold plated pensions of he molly coddled public sector labour funding unions ,er no need to answer we all know !

And ?

And ~shh are in oppositin get used to it !

But you are in a coalition with the one month wonder Clegg …… the Tories are in a terrible political position, Dave and Nick did look good together holding hands in the park this afternoon though , their wives must be very worried ? ~sick

Explain terrible position ? 90% of people who can think other than “we should be in power,wer’re nulabor” wish they pull it off apart the losing nulabor that is.

And the country is in the deepest s—e after 13 years of labour and the sleaze merchants and the only thing the losers can HOPE for is it all goes pear shaped cos if it dont you’ve
shot it forever ,the only prayer you have is it dont work! but at least they tried and judging by the 90% of the country they want it to succeed,mind you i must admit your lot have made me quite a lot of money since thursday ,my shares in English Fruit Farms have gone through the roof with all the sour grapes they have been selling to you’re lot lol
~shh are in opposition get used to it ,its gonna be along ,long winter,and being out in the cold will do you good for 15-20years but i’m afraid to say but you wont survive that long as the rats are starting to gather in their camps tearing lumps out of each other lol even two brothers are at war .

And yeah i can really see the country getting behind ED BALLS ffs,the man is thicker than John Prescott ,and boy he’s as thick as a ghurkas foreskin,Balls by name and balls by nature,more total hypocracy from nulabor ,balls went to Nottingham High School ,yeah i know its hard to belive but eh if you got money BUY YOUR EDUCATION but decry others for doing the same ,eh! good old labour ,
“dont do as i do ,but do as i say”
Wanted to phase out High Schools after he had been ,”yawn i have morals you know” lol
Ah and talking of wives his a cracker i must say ,she is the most,sorry was the most obnoxious ,interupting ,ignorant,woman i’ve ever had the good fortune not to meet ,she looks like her face has been on fire and somebody put it out with the back of a shovel,and thats being kind to shovels.
Have to go now my butler has just poured my 1938 macallan out and at £2000 a bottle i’ll only have the 2 tonight, and have to go to the slave market in the morning pick up some cheap ones who dont eat muchbut i am dissopointed in the proposal to drop inheritance tax scrappage could of done with a new pair of saville row plus fours,couple of antique purdy’s,might have been able to feed the surfs on my 20000 ac

Glen you bore me this is fishing website do like Mr Tebbit said and get on your bike……………

Wow! that Glen has some serious issues!

I think Glen needs a hug everyone.

LOL and i thought we live in a democracy ,obviously not if you dont support nulabor you cant post on here ? while others post their antiquated outdated views i will continue to voice my progressive forward looking views .
Nulabor are in opposition get over it,what a sad life they must lead, the country is in the mire after 13 years of sleaze,bungs,law breaking ,fraud by ministers and ex miniters and the only hope they cling to is that those trying to find a way out of the mess left behind is to HOPE they fail WHAT A SAD BUNCH OF LOSERS YOU ARE.
Your in opposition get used to it

What a load of tiresome old tosh………………………snore……………………..!
Fishing is by far more interesting!

Glen, sleaze,bungs,law breaking ,fraud by ministers and ex miniters describes many in the Conservative party including in the past and in the last parliament. Also, in the Liberal and Labour parties but not to the same extent. That is a fact! Why do you think no political party got an overall majority?

Labour are in opposition and its excepted by all those in the Labour party. However, many believe it will not be long before this new coalition Government falls apart. In fact, most political analists. That almost certainly means a new election and a Labour majority in the next Parliament. Labour will learn from some of there mistakes and be stronger for it. It will not take long for many to start hating the conservatives and this coalition. 90% of people are against this coalition according to several surveys. It will be 100% once the cuts hit home!

There is a great big experiment going on with the Con/Lib coalition. It could be good or bad. Will it last the 5 years? None of us know. I view it as a very risky experiment for the Conservative and Liberal parties. Many in both parties are angry and very worried for goo reason! If it works and lasts the full 5 years. It will be the starting point for a new type of politics that benefits all. The likes of you with your right wing views are likely to be the biggest losers!

Im sure the Labour MPs will do a much better job in opposition than the last Conservative/Liberal opposition. The Conservatives got very little right in there alternative views to policy and in warnings over issues like the banking crisis or how to solve those problems. This country would be in a much bigger mess if Cameron,s policies had been followed at the time of the banking crisis and that is something excepted by most banking and economic experts around the world and in this country! Thats a fact, Glen!!!

If you believe that your views are progressive and forward thinking. Then you are a very sad person. Your views are out dated and singular. You give no credit for the things that the last Labour Government have done over the past 13 years that have benefited all. The Conservatives have never done anything wrong and will get everything right in your views. That is not progressive!

Well lets hope you do better in opposition than in government ,after all you’re gonna get lots of practice,what a sad bunch of losers ,hoping that after labour could’nt even get their party to go into coalition with lib dems they now want the oly chance for a stable government to fail because they STILL think they have a god given right to govern.The country is in the s—e after 13 long very,very long years of blair,brown,mandleson,hindugeas,ecclestone,illigal wars,afganistan,blunket,cash for honours,blunket AGAIN,lost data,mandleson AGAIN,the first prime minister in history to be questioned by the police,framing of opposition mp’s,kelly’s suspicious death ?,fraud.
I can still remember the look on blair’s face when asked by a tory backbencher why he had managed to go to see OZZY OSBOURNE after the fat (Swearing removed) fell of his quad bike but blair could’nt be avaiable to see the mutilated troops he sent into an illigal war,says all you need to know about about the blair and his witch project dont you think

Thats why your in opposition get used to it ,you’re yesterday ,we have tommorows to look forward to ,and you’re not part of it,and you have nowhere to go ,oh unless its with Square Head himself Ed “the ball” balls cos yeah he really is a head the ball .
So we can gather from trueblue that the,ER IS IT OLD/NEW,ER INDFFERENT SLIGHTLY LESS RED MORE TYPE OF ER ORANGE COLOUR,LEFT OF NOWHERE LABOUR PARTY?Obviously Charlie Wheelan ,mandeson,campbell will be getting up each other oohh sorry slip there on with each other.
This is why you’re in opposition and this is why you’ll stay there and wither on the vine ,you’ve had your summer ,and wasted it ,these two might not work out So be it at least they can say that they tried BUT and its a big ONE is’nt it Trueblue,and its whats worrying you and the red scum Trueblue and if you are a honest man you will admit it ,it might just might work and if it does,JUST WHERE ,WHAT DOES old/new labour do or go ,Answer into OBLIVION
AT THE MOMENT YOU’RE IN OPPOSITION GET USED TO IT,ITS BETTER THAN OBLIVION ,WHERE YOU’RE HEADING

This is my last word on the suject cos unlike me you are working from history and hoping for failure and me i’m from now and the future and labour ? well there not on the horizon
Surrounded in a sea of BRIGHT BLUE
Stewerd,stewerd,another very large gin n tonic in here my good man !

If the Gin & Tonic do that to you, please remind never to try the stuff……………I would try a chill pill if i were you!
Who said never discuss politics and religion after a pint???

Oliver reed ????????

Is it chill pills for tories only ??????????

Well, in your case…..errrmmmmmm…..YES! lol

Oh dear how very unbiased of i’m sure

how very unbiased of you,not very labour pc is it ?

TRUEBLUE, i’ve only just pulled myself up off the floor after reading your bit about the last tory government being more corrrupt than the last labour 1, i wasn’t going to comment on this thread again as it was getting personal and politics is about personal beliefs but anyone that can’t see the corruption in Labour must be blind. Just the fact that they brought Mandelson (who should be in jail for a very long time) back shows what morals they have.

@Dodge wrote:

Im bored now !

Cant for the life of me remember which party Lord Archer and Jonathon Aitken served in government for before they were banged up ?

~think no it wasnt the ConDems

Ha ha it was the REAL CONSERVATIVES ~clap ~clap ~clap

Lloydy ! I aint playin anymore mate lololol

A liar is a liar Dodge but lying about sleeping with a prossie and what mandelson has done are a league apart

Yawn…….~sick

Ha Ha Ha.

Just returned from a short break at my favourite Lake District hotel, booked at short-notice to celebrate the end of Labuh.

It’s been absolutely inspiring to see Weazel Mandelson realising that he can’t manage one last stitch-up, even getting the performing Bottler to “resign” twice in two days. Pathetic stunts to the very last.

No more bullying from Campbell and Whelan (unless your of a mind to belong to & subsidide Unite in their campaign to destroy the UK aviation industry).

If I was Cameron or Osborne I’d get the IMF in right now to audit Brown & Darling’s books. No spending review last year and we know PFI & Public Sector pensions aren’t even on the balance sheet.

I bet they’re still trying to tot-up how bad the public finances have become under the last 13 years of fiscal madness.

I hope the coalition lasts and puts the country back on the right path, it needs to. Like Thatcher in the 80’s, no-one has a credible alternative. If borrowing is the answer then the question is wrong.

Even if it goes tits up, just one week of NOT being ruled by interfering, state-powered, surveillance, we-know-best Labuh has been like a little bit of paradise.
Long may it continue.

Oh, Dodge.

The Cameron and Clegg spouses weren’t concerned by their men holding hands with each other. Had poisonous Mandelson been there it would have been a different story.

Finally, some cracking posts by Glen W. Let’s have independence for England and Conservative rule in perpetuity.

Auditors called in to analyse extent of financial “scorched-earth” lunacy:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8685125.stm

Good idea Dave!

Caster rob, that is the most predictable thing that any new Government would say. Its 100% certain that the books will read that the country is in more debt than first thought and that there has been more waist over the past few years than expected. Strange thing will be that even though there will be findings of more waist. The Government will not be able to find the extra savings that should be very easy to find if things are as bad as will be stated in any findings. Funny how that works! Its a political thing that all new Governments say in an attempt to make themselves look better and lead the people in to believing that the new Government will do a better job. Its also, a great vote winner in the short term if that Government feels that calling a new General Election would benefit that political party. Better to get a full 5 years with a majority than working in a coalition. It just suggests to me that this coalition will fall apart within 2 years but most likely inside 12 months. I also think it suits the conservative party because with the cuts and the effects of those cuts. If this coalition Government go past 2 years. The Conservatives will find it very difficult to win another General Election for a very long time. Cameron has even said that it will take 4-5 years before things start to get any better. Better to go to the country again before things get to bad and they can blame the last Labour Government for everything! Im not blaming the Conservatives, It just makes political sense in the long run!

TON UP – Sorry just had to do it – First Century for ages!!

@TrueBlue wrote:

Caster rob, that is the most predictable thing that any new Government would say. Its 100% certain that the books will read that the country is in more debt than first thought and that there has been more waist over the past few years than expected. Strange thing will be that even though there will be findings of more waist. The Government will not be able to find the extra savings that should be very easy to find if things are as bad as will be stated in any findings. Funny how that works! Its a political thing that all new Governments say in an attempt to make themselves look better and lead the people in to believing that the new Government will do a better job. Its also, a great vote winner in the short term if that Government feels that calling a new General Election would benefit that political party. Better to get a full 5 years with a majority than working in a coalition. It just suggests to me that this coalition will fall apart within 2 years but most likely inside 12 months. I also think it suits the conservative party because with the cuts and the effects of those cuts. If this coalition Government go past 2 years. The Conservatives will find it very difficult to win another General Election for a very long time. Cameron has even said that it will take 4-5 years before things start to get any better. Better to go to the country again before things get to bad and they can blame the last Labour Government for everything! Im not blaming the Conservatives, It just makes political sense in the long run!

It may be predictable for a new government to say it but it’s quite disturbing for impartial (despite Labour’s politicising attempts – a record number of career civil-servants departed in Blair’s first term in office after they found themselves having to do the bidding of Jo “bury bad news” Moore and her ilk)
civil-servants to be forced to resort to this act of desperation:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8690312.stm

“There was dismay at Labour’s use of public finances, he added.”

Well it’s never their own, is it? They just treat it as though it is.

Shamefull

The Torys are doing U turns already.

@andy cranes mate wrote:

Shamefull

The Torys are doing U turns already.

I agree with you there.

Perhaps because they’re relying on the liberals to govern?

One thing I have noticed is that these anti-British ragheads and their kind are often provided with legal representation by Gareth Pierce (yes, it’s a woman) & co.

Wonder who pays for that?

It really is disheartening reading stories like this. ~sick ~sick ~sick

Vital public building programmes being frozen. The true Tory party is already starting to emerge. The reality is that neither Cameron nor clegg have ever had to live in nor understood the real world. Perhaps Brown had more sense than many gave him credit for.

The building programmes are only being frozen because there’s no money left to fund them, as Liam Byrne agreed.

The true Tory party is the one that sorts out Labour’s financial mess – every time.

And the reality is that Brown only ever played at finance in the Students Union and the public-sector, both dependent on private-sector profits for their existence.

Giving Brown credit was the cause of the problem we’re now in!

A loan won’t put anything right.

Not until we’ve paid off the one we’ve already got.

Blaming Brown for a global financial crisis is stretching credibility even for you Rob. So you are advocating spending no money on essential schemes, schemes that will make the country better in the long term. Instead unemployment will rise, taxes will increase and short sighted policies will end up costing the country more than they purport to save.

Cameron and Clegg are a pair of silver spoons with no idea of the real world. A match made in hell.

I’m not blaming Brown for the global crisis.

The fact that we were first in and last out of recession can be laid at his door and his alone.

He said we were “uniquely placed” to deal with it.

You can’t spend money that you haven’t got and the more you borrow the greater the cost, in the long term.

Are these the sort of essential public schemes that we can’t manage without?

http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/job/990554/safety-and-sustainability-pool-officer-travel-awareness/

A snip at 30k.

At least it’s culturally diverse, like it could be anything else?

Too daft to laugh at really.