I’ll buy some as soon as I get there on Sunday.

if cyril said it was dark out i would go outside and check

@deeman wrote:

@MARUKYU baits will be our preferred baits at Cudmmore [/quote wrote:

How long before they will be the only baits allowed~think ~think

At the price of the Maruku range you will need to take out a mortgage to fish the place. Or is that what is all about, money~think ~think ~think

Depends how much MARUKYU offer Cyril ~think

I’ve heard it all now! Does Cudmore have a shop selling bait on site?

Yes Andy

I haven’t fished Cudmore for a few years but it used to make me chuckle about fish welfare but you could happily use a keepnet as long as you paid a £ extra when pleasuring.

IIRC, Cudmore was originally a Trout fishery but when it did not make enough money, Cyril latched omto the coarse fisher idea.

The owners of these places make me laugh, fish welfare indeed! Its a sad but unavoidable fact that long living fish are a problem for commy owners. No one wants to fish match’s on small lakes full of 15lbs fish.

so its got nowt to do with (moderated)

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

LOL!

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

Depends how much MARUKYU offer Cyril ~think

Don’t think it would take much, when you consider how many anglers fish the place over the year. Even if he only got 10% from the sales I would imagine that would add up to quite a considerable sum.

And how can he say it is down to fish welfare when like NWA said for an extra quid pleasure anglers can use a keepnet, meaning that potentially fish can in there from dawn till dusk. Fish welfare my Ar*e

jesus christ,,was it really that offensive?
thought it was rather funny myself!
did you not see the question marks?????
meaning it was a question, not an accusation!
think that geepsters got a fettish for deleting my posts,,
bless his little cotton socks!
PMSL!

does cudmore have a £1 to use a keepnet offer then?
often thought this to be a good idea,, shold be a limit on time though,, cant do em anygood being in there for more than 6 hours!

Next fisho final should be interesting – obviously they’ll ALL be using it ~shh

Lloydy I remember the fishery from years ago as it is right next to Keele University where I spent a year. God bless him IIRC I can recall Jeff Moors and co taking the place apart with bubble floats catching trout etc in matches as they started to convert from trout to coarse. The use a keepnet and keep the fish in the nets as long as you want for a £1 was there from day 1. At the start when it was a bit lunar landscapish with very little else, Cyril plonked an old caravan on site and had 2 hobos turning out bacon / sausage / egg buttys to anglers for a nice price. It is a venue where the owner happily stocked chub / barbel into a stillwater despite some people arguing it was wrong. Cudmore was often renamed Quidsmore by local anglers.

IMO and I said this and got banned from MFS for saying it, there are far too many people involved in angling who are happy to promote a product and exagerate it’s benefits to the detriment of the Ordinary Joe Angler because they want 20 pieces of silver from what is perceived as a gravy train by the industry because of the size / power / wealth of Marukyu. Look at names / so called custodians of our sport / publications and how they are pushing these products. Sorry magic baits do not exist. There are a lot of people in angling IMO selling the ordinary angler / member of the public short.

do marukyu breed maggots?
and worms?

i must say as a plumber,
its all a load of ballcocks!

Just to put the record straight, Cudmore stopped charging to use keepnets some time ago. Keepnets only now used in matches.

cyril has stocked the marakyu gear in the onsite shop which stapeley own i dont think anglers will be forced to use it exclusively at cudmore as they offer a vast amount of other baits aswell the have the whole bagem baits and dynamite range onsite aswell as the good old bags of skrettings.

me personally thinks he has been blinded by the marakyu science and the baits good for welfare of the fish. mullarkey 🙂

but i dont think the baits aimed at the match lads but the pleasure guys who turn up buy a day ticket then spend a small fortune in the shop i fish there most weeks and the pleasure anglers do spend a small fortune in the shop so it makes great business sense to stock some nice new grounbait in nice shiny gold bags ~sick ~think

oh and by the way it works well at cudmore aswell seems to pick the big carp out from the f1s:-)

geepster i know you are only the messenger, but to say they favour marukyu over all other commercial baits stinks! They have field tested marukyu and found it more fish friendly than all other baits? So what cudmore is saying is that ringers, van den eyde, sensas, sonu baits, dynamite baits etc etc are more harmfull to fish, im sure all these major company’s done there home work before they released bait to the shelves of tackle shops worldwide???

Please be aware that Leaky Lloyd has had his account suspended for 7 days.
Libel statements cannot be made.
The offensive nature of his language to another user earlier in the week also have had a bearing on this course of action.

its all about the money glad i stopped fishing commies two years ago ~clap

Maker, so why shoot the messenger??
It is a news article that you could read elsewhere, not Geeps’s opinion. It’s added to the site for informative reading and ultimatley debate.

what ever happenend to the pellets that were vegetable based came out 3 or 4 years back

Steve that’s good to hear but it took an awfully long time for such a fish welfare concious owner to reach that decision. Best part of 20 years? And only when the fishery had expanded and become so profitable that it no longer needed the extra £

RE Pellets. I stopped fishing Cudmore several years ago as I felt like a battery hen in a very sterile fishing environment. However, When I did, you could only use Cudmore pellets at least for feed. Is that no longer the case?

The publishing space and the motives of people endorsing Marukyu concerns me especially given the economic times we live in and the inflated price of this product. Interestingly, Roy Marlow did a very good series of articles in the AT years ago and he argued and did catch whilst throwing animal manure as a form of groundbait into his swim. How times have changed.

I wish Lloydy hadn’t self destructed. He had a heads up with the Nathan thread. Any chance of giving him a cool off Geeps / Paddy and letting him return thereafter?

Just realised it is for 7 days. Enlightened moderating Paddy. Top Marks.

@pellethead76 wrote:

if cyril said it was dark out i would go outside and check

~clap ~clap ~clap

You and a few others know him to well ~clap ~clap

paddy if you read my first paragraph, geepster i know you are only the messenger, what makes my thread like a pointed finger at geepster? Wrong end of the stick me thinks.

WHAT A JOKE FISH WELFARE MY BOTTOM CUDMORE MOVE FISH MORE THAN ANY FISHERY I KNOW

IT ALL ABOUT THE MONEY WITH CUDMORE THATS WHY EVERYBODY HAS STOP GOING AND STARTED FISHING HERONBROOK

nothing to do with cudmore belonging to the premier fisheries club the same as roy ?

money money money

~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap it didn’t take long to get sucked into it geeps i’m surprised at you mate~think ~think ~think roys up to his same old tricks

i wonder what its going to be in about 4 or 5 years when he moves on ~think ~think

he’s a very clever man is our roy ~clap ~clap

john lotus~think ~think why not roys name ~think

The last 3 posters also appear to know them both, Cyril/Roy very well.

How much is a bag of these makryu pellets?

Maker, Accepted.

Joff, The write up is the press release, not his views????(well i dont think so anyway) so where does sucked into it come into it?? Only a question mate.

1,300 odd posts [thats being sucked in matey ]
its very clever
but listen there is a great cost to all this it can’t afford to fail and its probably the hardest market to brake into at this present time fair play

Joff, understand where your coming from now, bit slow on that one DOOOOHHHHH!
My personal opinion is that I can see a situation where one bait company raises the bar on costs abd it lets the flood gates open for the rest to follow suit.

Sorry guys but I do not buy into this. 15 years ago my bait bill for a typical river match was £12 which either got used on the day or was thrown away. I now hear moans about fishery only pellets etc everywhere I go despite them being the same price as the shops by and large.
We have never had it so good and we should be very thankfull to the likes of Roy Marlow and other far sighted fishery owners who have created some fantastic waters for us to enjoy, on the cheap. If they have made a bob or two thats fine by me. I have read that the restock budget for one popular commercial up North is £50kpa thats a lot of pellets to sell to cover this cost alone without having bills to pay.

The biggest moaners usually sit complaining whilst smoking 20 fags, then downing a few beers afterwards before packing their £2k poles and £1k seat boxes back into their vans.
I say enjoy what we have, as without well managed commercials we would have no where to go.

POINT TAKEN JOHN~clap just wonder if you know roy ~think ~think

@JohnH wrote:

Sorry guys but I do not buy into this. 15 years ago my bait bill for a typical river match was £12 which either got used on the day or was thrown away. I now hear moans about fishery only pellets etc everywhere I go despite them being the same price as the shops by and large.
We have never had it so good and we should be very thankfull to the likes of Roy Marlow and other far sighted fishery owners who have created some fantastic waters for us to enjoy, on the cheap. If they have made a bob or two thats fine by me. I have read that the restock budget for one popular commercial up North is £50kpa thats a lot of pellets to sell to cover this cost alone without having bills to pay.

The biggest moaners usually sit complaining whilst smoking 20 fags, then downing a few beers afterwards before packing their £2k poles and £1k seat boxes back into their vans.
I say enjoy what we have, as without well managed commercials we would have no where to go.

Your arguements floored mate. The bait you would have used on the rivers were maggots and casters I’m guessing? These have to be breed etc. Pellets can be turned out by a bloke in a shed from a few basic cheap ingredients.
As for fishing on the cheap, whats a Mallory ticket this year, £250+?

another answer~clap

I ain’t got a problem using fishery pellets,but a certain fishery say, you must use their paste,their hemp,their groundbait(which was sensas by the way.
They claimed by doing so they knew what/how much bait was going in to the fishery.~naughty

We believe that Marukyu’s products are the most fish and environmentally-friendly baits available – and, what is more, the fishing results are absolutely outstanding.
sorry that dosen’t wash either

I have met Roy on 2 occasions when he has opened his fishery close season for charity days out with celeb anglers,for nothing, he is a delightfull bloke and keen as mustad on his fishing. I have never been to Cudmore.
All the South Yorkshire commies I fish have their own pellet rule with bait either £1 a bag or £2. Messingham is the cheapest BTW.
I just think we are too quick to moan, this latest decision as far as I can see is a preferred choice only. I dont think anyone is forcing anglers to use this stuff yet.
Whilst I take the “thin end of the wedge point” all commies have competition nearby and have to be mindfull of any decision they make will have on their own patch.Having watched the TV fishing over the weekend at Cudmore I would pay £20 a day to fish this lake, some of the barbel caught were huge!! At £3 a pint for caster and £20 a kilo for worm all other baits including this new stuff from Japan costs peanuts.
An added bonus is whatever you dont use will keep for next time.

Andy, i take your point about maggot and caster. If you think there is so much money to be made making pellets why not team up with a commy and launch your own range?
The grass always looks greener but it rarely is.

I dont think Roy is short of members for Mallory at £250 a year, I just wish it was nearer for me and I would jump at it myself.

Oh mate I totally agree with you he’s not. Just not cheap as you stated. As is the way with posts like this it always boils down to the same thing, money. Lets just have some honesty. Its not about fish welfare etc. They need extra money and they should just admit it.

The people often endorsing Marukyu repeatedly extoll the vitues of this giant company and the level of scientific research blah blah

We now have Cyril making the following statement

Cyril Brewster, boss of Cudmore Fisheries, said: “At Cudmore we take the long term view and the welfare of our fish and the aquatic environment is paramount to our future.

“We believe that Marukyu’s products are the most fish and environmentally-friendly baits available – and, what is more, the fishing results are absolutely outstanding.

“Since we introduced the range our anglers have been producing outstanding catches with Marukyu baits.”

He has made those statements based on thin air. His comments are totally unscientific, totally unprovable. He does not know what bait is going into his water, the impact of variables such as atmospheric conditions, water quality. It embarasses me when I see people in angling talking about scientific tests blah blah when virtually none truly takes place.

I like many question the motives of those promoting Marukyu. I just think people see £ signs before their eyes and will say whatever for 20 pieces of silver. It has spread across the angling media who see huge companies, new to the market, lots of potential advertising revenue. I was even banned from another site for saying what I have said here because that site operates a zero tolerance policy to questioning / jeopardising any potential source of advertising revenue. That is how desparate people are in the trade and even above that level, respected renowned names too.

Does anybody believe in magic baits, I would be interested to know how anybody thinks they can monitor what fish eat in terms of the source and amount. Sure we can ban everything bar X bait but there are still natural baits etc and I defy anybody to control how much a fish eats on a given day.

Who loses out? The gullible and the young.

@JohnH wrote:

I say enjoy what we have, as without well managed commercials we would have no where to go.

You could always try rivers or natural ponds/lakes & reservoirs,just a thought~think

Andy, of course its about money, most things usually are!!
These new baits from Japan have been manufactured under the tightest of standards primarily I understand as fish foods for ornamental fish. Its a real craze out there with many single fish trading for £1000’s.
Not for stocking into commies to be batterred by the likes us of course!!
You can understand why some research has been done therefore to ensure these fish are fed healthily.
Whilst I have no scientific evidence to prove otherwise I understand most European baits have been developed by anglers field testing on a what works, what does not basis. I dont think there is any published literature that says meat is bad maggots good, or that one manufacturers product is better for fish than someone elses.
Hence fishery owners have to make their own minds up ignorant of what the effects on their waters may be. How many fishery owners have any scientific qualifications I wonder?
In conclusion I suppose I am saying that the science behind these new baits is better than any other currently on the market but cannot say that conclusively they are better than anything else out there. As to whether they will catch more fish thats another question entirely.
I have no commercial axe to grind on any of these products I am simply passing an opinion.

RE: The Glebe…..

£250 @ 304 days (shut 61 days a year) = 82p per day. This is for 12 lakes full of all different species of fish. Private and safe parking and access to members only. There are enough pegs that you could fish a different one for over 6 months.

RE: Marukyu Baits….

No matter what anyones opinion of Cyril or others may be the fact is Marukyu baits look here to stay. They are a huge company and imo the baits are very good.

We can all second guess what deals (if any) have been made but we are not being forced to use these baits.

@Wheely Crap Angler wrote:

RE: The Glebe……

RE: Marukyu Bai

We can all second guess what deals (if any) have been made but we are not being forced to use these baits.

well said wheely any bait restrictions cause comments, as the old saying goes you can talk with your feet ???

@Wheely Crap Angler wrote:

RE: The Glebe…..

£250 @ 304 days (shut 61 days a year) = 82p per day. This is for 12 lakes full of all different species of fish. Private and safe parking and access to members only. There are enough pegs that you could fish a different one for over 6 months.

RE: Marukyu Baits….

No matter what anyones opinion of Cyril or others may be the fact is Marukyu baits look here to stay. They are a huge company and imo the baits are very good.

We can all second guess what deals (if any) have been made but we are not being forced to use these baits.

Its still £250 quid in one pop. You can only fish one peg at a time and as far as I know all the lakes are stocked with much the same.

Maybe, if this stuff is so good, fishery owners should subsidize the bait. Say sell it at a pound less than rrp. If the stuff thats being used now is bad for the fish, then think of the savings to be gained restocking wise?

The lakes are not stocked all the same Andy , prettys , is a mixed lake , , uglies , big munters , pools 4,5,67 have been restocked , not sure of what , but I know alot of big fish ahve been removed , glebe 1 full of skimmers and barble , and chub , with loads of carp , foundation , is mainly carp.

Hows about this for an endorsement – even Billy No Fish has been catching using Marukyu !!!!!!

@Snooty Fox wrote:

Hows about this for an endorsement – even Billy No Fish has been catching using Marukyu !!!!!!

Catching what ? crabs

he doesnt catch fish

isnt it funny how when you think you’ve put your hand in dog poo,, you always have a really good close sniff to check????

why do it?????
~sick ~sick ~sick ~sick ~sick

catching his knuckles on the ground because he,s so short lol

question for maryku users why is 131 groundbait pushed in the promo video why is it 7.99 a bag and the other groundbaits 3.99 a bag

@redarmy wrote:

question for maryku users why is 131 groundbait pushed in the promo video why is it 7.99 a bag and the other groundbaits 3.99 a bag

Think you will find their basic groundbaits are £3.99 @bag and all the super range groundbait are £6.99 @bag

because its made from dodo droppings and grinded down unicorn horn!!!!

moderatorsnightmare aka Leaky Lloyd..you are the weakest link , GOODBYE

I would be very interested to know what Skretting,s stance is with claims by Marukyu that there pellets are more fish friendly than any other pellets on the market. Skretting have spent many millions in the development of there products with scientific testing over many years to get the best products. The company is in the business of providing feed baits to commercial fish farmers and the large scale ornamental carp industry around the world. As fare as i am aware. Skretting are the European leaders in these areas. Angling baits are just a side business with most of our bait companies re bagging Skretting,s products in shiny new bags to catch the angler at a healthy profit. If the angling bait part of the company was significant. Then i would expect Skretting to challenge Marukyu,s claims in court if it was potentially hurting there profits. In truth, angling baits especially in this country are a very small part of what Skretting make and sell. So for the moment. Marukyu are able to claim whatever they want!

Buy a mallory ticket and then youll see why its priced as it is, as for the bait why not use it and see what you think YOURSELF? If you dont like the price then dont buy it, simple. Or is it the fact you dont want to say its anygood?

sorry to deviate from the original thread but in defence of Roy’s fishery from a very biased member.
as a few of you know i am directly involved with the fishery and put a lot of work into the fishery and organisation of the matches.
£250 per annum, OK as a match angler there are no match pegging fees, unlike almost any other venue in the UK, so all of the pools gets paid out. we choose to pay all the money in sections. so a section of eight anglers would typically payout four places with around £60 to the winner. it is a very competitive match club with winnings of the section places getting evenly spread amongst the anglers each week. most if not all of the regular 40 to 50 match anglers will win there membership back and have terrific season long fishing.
As for Marukyu, yes i am a sponsored angler. I did the Marukyu stand on the weekend at cudmore. i listened to so many positives, from ordinary anglers about the results they have had with the new baits. ok i work along side Roy on some of his ventures so may be classed as being biased. but listen to some positives and not just the comments of anglers that are sponsored or are selling bait (often not produced by) but distributed by other companies. angling as a whole is a big, and very competitive business after all.

I wonder how many of these fish welfare concious fishery owners overstock their waters irrespective of the advice they are given by the experts. At the end of the day everything boils down to money.

There is a new kid on the block and anglers / fishery owners / organisations are looking to jump on the gravy train while there is still money to be made.

Sadly what value is an endorsement by anybody in angling these days and whilst the regular faces are taking their 20 pieces some children and gullible adults are being taken for a ride.

@moderatorsnightmare wrote:

isnt it funny how when you think you’ve put your hand in dog poo,, you always have a really good close sniff to check????

why do it?????
~sick ~sick ~sick ~sick ~sick

he’s not very well that lad!!!
lol!

caught 42 lb on sunday with swim stym paste i ran out 20 mins b4 the end mixed the magic paste of mr marlows hay presto not a bite I like paste fishing have tried the mykru stuff for the last few weeks and i will go back to my original statment one born every minute

Who got you your sponsorship Kev? ~think Uncle Roy. You scratch my back lol When i see Marukyu totally outfishing other baits manufacturers products at say Whiteacres festivals then I will begin to think maybe they have something but until then it is anecdotal bull. What would you do Kev if some poor kid comes to your stand and says hey Mr I used all my money to buy bags of this bait because you endorsed it and I feel ripped off? I didn’t know you only said what you did because you were getting sponsored to say it?

Not sure who / why Glebe / Mallory is suddenly being mentioned. This thread is not about that venue.

just added the fishery info as it was suggested earlier in the thread that a mallory ticket wasnt cheap at £250, not cheap but value for money.
NWAC obviously Roy offered me sponsorship with Marukyu. I had met most of the top people from Japan during my sponsorship days with another fine grounbait company. i must add that the sponsorship i received from that company i found myself way before they were the the company they are now.
Surely even the poor kids these days know that anglers that use and endorse angling product, as well as any other product, are often given product too use in there chosen field. as for only saying it because i was sponsored to say it. what worth would any sponsorship be if it were for that reason.

i agree, this is not a mallory thing?

Joffmiester.
Have your remarks about Marukyu and Roy Marlow been in anyway influenced by your sponsership by Sensas,
I believe so!!!
John loftus name apeared on the press release because john is the director of Marukyu uk.
Roy is in charge of research and development.
Marukyu Has been japans and asia,s top selling baits for over 40 years.
and that is not because of its price ( its an expensive bait there).
but because its the best.
cudmore also asked Dr Bruno Broughton for his advice , and he moved them towards the Marukyu bait range.
all i say is give these baits a good try ,
you may be supprised.
rich, Marukyu pro team member

Skretting pellets are made for trout and salmon not carp. Only difference is the pellet is not put into the vacuum coater to add more oil. Skrettings however are fine for carp except for one essential vitamin. Cant remember which one now. We used to feed our growing on fish with skrettings plus rice crispies. The rice crispies providing the missing vitamin.

If they were so concerned about fish welfare perhaps they wouldn’t shoehorn as many fish into per square foot of water as physically possible.

At the end of the day it all boils down to money, well done to Leaky for speaking his mind, what ever happened to free speech on these forums? He’s had his account suspended for 7 days I bet the guy is really losing sleep over it.

Dont you guys, that are moaning care about the fish that you catch, or are you all only interested in catching your 100lb of carp.
do you not care about the enviroment.
dont forget everything thats thrown into the lakes we fish, ends back in the water table.
Marukyu is here to stay. its not a mickey mouse company, its worldwide turnover is 100 million pounds .
and they spend 1.2million a year on bait development, and wont use anything in the baits that are not enviromently friendly

@holwell53 wrote:

Dont you guys, that are moaning care about the fish that you catch, or are you all only interested in catching your 100lb of carp.
do you not care about the enviroment.
dont forget everything thats thrown into the lakes we fish, ends back in the water table.
Marukyu is here to stay. its not a mickey mouse company, its worldwide turnover is 100 million pounds .
and they spend 1.2million a year on bait development, and wont use anything in the baits that are not enviromently friendly

~naughty Wind your neck in and stop linking our views to not caring. You by your own admission have a vested interest. I have none, nor do most of us here who are questioning this new miracle. Personally I have been around for long enough to have seen umpteen angling miracles and they were all as miraculous as Ivan Marks magic water that came out of a tap!!

I am very interested who can control exactly what a fish eats and in what quantity. If somebody knows the man/woman let me know.

Cyril Brewster / Cudmore endorsing any product makes most of us immediately sceptical given the aforementioned being link with fish welfare / the environment is an oxymoron. Most of the names involved including Roy have a history of jumping from endorsement ship to endorsement ship.

The last time I looked I could buy the bait used by Steve Ringer or by Andy Findlay but truth be told catch a fraction of what they would with it. There is no substitute for angling skill.

To Howell and co. Whilst you are endorsing the new miracle are you in turn saying Sensas, VDE, Ringers, Sonu, Dynamite, Skettings produce crap bait that is harmful to fish and the environment? just checking ~think

Who said it was a miracle bait?? certainly not i.
its a very good bait, thats what i believe.
it has helped me catch a lot of fish over the last 12 months.
I would not dream of saying that other bait companies products are harming the fish or enviroment.
But CEFAS are doing a study for the government on the effects of bait used in our sport and its effects on the enviroment.
and in the future i can see some ingredients being banned

this reminds me of those vial things. in little plastic bottles. (answers on a post card !!)
they were the end to all our problems.
personally i think they will come and go.
6.99 a bag though !!
i wont buy it.

@the margin gnome wrote:

Skretting pellets are made for trout and salmon not carp. Only difference is the pellet is not put into the vacuum coater to add more oil. Skrettings however are fine for carp except for one essential vitamin. Cant remember which one now. We used to feed our growing on fish with skrettings plus rice crispies. The rice crispies providing the missing vitamin.

The missing ingrediants must have been snap crackle and pop 🙂

@holwell53 wrote:

cudmore also asked Dr Bruno Broughton for his advice , and he moved them towards the Marukyu bait range.
all i say is give these baits a good try ,
you may be supprised.
rich, Marukyu pro team member

Nothing to do with the fact he’s part of Maryq’s team?

@justin case wrote:

The missing ingrediants must have been snap crackle and pop 🙂

Haha is that with or without the chocolate

@andy cranes mate wrote:

@holwell53 wrote:

cudmore also asked Dr Bruno Broughton for his advice , and he moved them towards the Marukyu bait range.
all i say is give these baits a good try ,
you may be supprised.
rich, Marukyu pro team member

Nothing to do with the fact he’s part of Maryq’s team?

He is a professional in his field surely your not doubting his qualifications ?

@holwell53 wrote:

Who said it was a miracle bait?? certainly not i.
its a very good bait, thats what i believe.
it has helped me catch a lot of fish over the last 12 months.
I would not dream of saying that other bait companies products are harming the fish or enviroment.
But CEFAS are doing a study for the government on the effects of bait used in our sport and its effects on the enviroment.
and in the future i can see some ingredients being banned

Cheers holwell. That is interesting re the study. Will that include boilies etc too?

I guess bait is a funny thing. I mean we ban cat meat but I presume it must be safe environmentally but perhaps not ideal for fish. Quantity IMO is almost as important as quality.

You can see why they’re called commercials.

Somebody wrote that without these places we’d have nothing.

I honestly would prefer nothing.

Surely the effect on the environment will be zero. If any bait is not broken down by bacteria or eaten by the fish it could cause problems but first sign of that would be the fish in the pond. Not the environment as a whole. Farming and it’s fertilisers are far more dangerous because of run off than any enclosed Stillwater can be.

@justin case wrote:

@andy cranes mate wrote:

@holwell53 wrote:

cudmore also asked Dr Bruno Broughton for his advice , and he moved them towards the Marukyu bait range.
all i say is give these baits a good try ,
you may be supprised.
rich, Marukyu pro team member

Nothing to do with the fact he’s part of Maryq’s team?

He is a professional in his field surely your not doubting his qualifications ?

No not in anyway. ~naughty

OK, i have a little challenge for the Marukyu company and its products. Contact me and i will allow you to send me some of your products for review. Im happy to give an open and honest opinion on these baits on this forum.

Tried Marukyu results not as good as using my usual Dynamite mix ~think ~think ~think

Do you not feel, like me, that with these fisheries endorsing these new baits that if you were to fish one of these venues you feel forced into having some in your bag?
I’m due to be fishing Cudmore in September for a week and I’m already thinking along those lines, do you change what you have confidence in for something you have never tried before just to make sure you are not at any disadvantage?
One of the things which I see against Marukyu at Cudmore is when you look at the weekly results and the match winner (if on Pool 2 or Adelaides) has usually won with meat. If it is a ‘miracle’ bait as some are thinking then surely the results would say winner used Marukyu??????????

Who else has unsponsoredly tried it and what results have you had?

The preference is in the mind of the owner, not the fish. Use a bait that your confident in and fish to your strengths.

dave B dont believe what u read on the cudmore site because they make up the weekly methods themselves ~sick ~sick as for marukyu, cudmore wont be forcing or pressurising anyone to use this bait its just another bait/groundbait option for anglers to try that there stapeley onsite shop will be selling.

~clap ~clap ~clap top topic fours and against mr holwel i take it you are sponsored my marukyu!!i’m not against the bait company or product i do think its over priced and thier excuse is that they spend so many millions on research so this justifies the retail price £3.99 to £7.99
mallory park is the best fishery in the country in my eyes well run and top of the tree for fish control and welfare [thats down to roy and roy alone]
but this was the same 5 years ago and more without this miracle bait ever being used there
what i don’t really like is commercials wanting to force anglers on to a bait that lets be honest has only been out for a year and true results are yet to be seen plenty of wannabes results i don’t see top anglers changing to it or a top commercial angler sponsored by it yet
the product is being force down everyones throat when really the product should speak for its self

~shh

@Geepster (moderator) wrote:

… unless the owners of fisheries start telling you what bait to use for commercial reasons…

Then tell them to go take a hike and vote with your feet.

nothing to do with someone cheating then ~think ~think and everyone moaning about it !!!!!commercial rules and limits its a mine field i heard decoy lake disqualified a well known angler he already had 6 keepnets but was over the net limit in one due to landing a 14lb carp on his last cast ~naughty ~naughty

geep’s 1 can see that coming!! i’m sure he had 6 keepnets and weighed 199lb or it could of been 299lb ~sick ~sick

Im sure at decoy once there is less than 30 mins to go you dont need to go get another net. Then if your last net is over that is okay. Sounds like angler in question might have been over in more than one net.

@holwell53 wrote:

Dont you guys, that are moaning care about the fish that you catch, or are you all only interested in catching your 100lb of carp.
do you not care about the enviroment.
dont forget everything thats thrown into the lakes we fish, ends back in the water table.
Marukyu is here to stay. its not a mickey mouse company, its worldwide turnover is 100 million pounds .
and they spend 1.2million a year on bait development, and wont use anything in the baits that are not enviromently friendly

text book answer rich who’s pulling your strings!!! nothing to do with the fact commercials are over stocked anyway and they are NOT environment friendly place’s for fish or natural lakes would have this sort of fish population its pure and simple its to make money!!! how come all of sudden you and your team are concerned about the environment WHATS CHANGED you’ve been catching hundreds and thousands of pounds of fish on the glebe for the last 20 years MONEY thats the only change

@carpmagic wrote:

Im sure at decoy once there is less than 30 mins to go you dont need to go get another net. Then if your last net is over that is okay. Sounds like angler in question might have been over in more than one net.

true as you have to drive back up to collect each net so he’s landed the fish and put it in the net

pmsl, that a new bait is somehow better nutitionally than coarse fish pellets.

However, if you dress this up or market with a fish welfare suggestion and justification, then up its market price by brand consumer loyalty with national tele and personality success. Really it’s market ‘supply and demand’and fair play to Cyril for doing an in-house bait deal- certainly gets more investment in – though like firewalling remains to be seen whether this effects fishery usage in current economic situation.
Certainly, having had a very successful Fisho’ then good timing.
Most people follow the current gang leader, and when you’ve made a few self-interested pals that can only strengthen acceptance by the majority where it counts -6 mouths down the line. If he’s a fishery owner then fish welfare or stock(remember carp -love em, are popular because they are cheap per unit and weight cost comparitively, hardy and muscular-as well as fast growing-yes diet has to be considered and survivabillity -has to be part of his costs.Certainly think both Cyril and Roy know more about fish welfare in practice than the average angler. And are probably protective and sentimental over ‘their’ fish as well. Yes, meat does produce residue is a little unhealthy as are high oil halibut pellets. But ethics- then ban fishmeal- killing 3 tons of small bait fish to produce one ton of fishmeal is environmentally unsound- must at some stage affect the local marine ecosystem and wider food chain over time.
As for Cyril’s move- maybe this will catch on and allow more commies and the tackle trade to make ends meet.Nevertheless, i feel that this move could be ‘sweetened’ by both companies making a percentage of profit to youth angling or even straight to the Angling Trust- given that the AT are also a partner with Fisho’ -certainly the publicity and promotion on a regular basis would assist keeping both in the public eye during the colder months and more.
If you don’t like it- don’t go- simple.
Although can see drawbacks and a lot of fair criticism – bet cudmore remains popular- as will mallory park.

@joffmiester wrote:

@holwell53 wrote:

Dont you guys, that are moaning care about the fish that you catch, or are you all only interested in catching your 100lb of carp.
do you not care about the enviroment.
dont forget everything thats thrown into the lakes we fish, ends back in the water table.
Marukyu is here to stay. its not a mickey mouse company, its worldwide turnover is 100 million pounds .
and they spend 1.2million a year on bait development, and wont use anything in the baits that are not enviromently friendly

text book answer rich who’s pulling your strings!!! nothing to do with the fact commercials are over stocked anyway and they are NOT environment friendly place’s for fish or natural lakes would have this sort of fish population its pure and simple its to make money!!! how come all of sudden you and your team are concerned about the environment WHATS CHANGED you’ve been catching hundreds and thousands of pounds of fish on the glebe for the last 20 years MONEY thats the only change

waiting for post number4

carpmagic wrote:
Im sure at decoy once there is less than 30 mins to go you dont need to go get another net. Then if your last net is over that is okay. Sounds like angler in question might have been over in more than one net.

This used to be the case but no longer is. Simply if you have over 50lb in one net you lose any amount over. If you have over 60lb you are disqualified. Not my fishery so i dont make the rules but it is a bit crazy because you end up fetching nets when you have 35lb in case the next fish is a lump and have nets all over the place in your peg. I got disqualified on the same match and also had 6 nets in. Very hard to keep track when you have 250lb of fish. Ill try to stop sucking those sour grapes now!!

~think ~think seams a case of over stocked fishery do you really want to catch that amount of fish
a question the first net has 50lb of fish in so the fish are in a keepnet for the longest time maybe four and a half hours next net slightly less time and so on so the last net could have 50lb of fish in it for less than half a hour so where is the fish warfare consideration on the first net what damage has that last fish done to the 50lb that has been in the net for the least time ~think ~think ~think
personally I’d ask for my pools money back and never fish the place again as its such a thin line its could be seen as corrupt but without the true story we will never now and yet again another angler is disqualified~sick

Like i said Joff it isnt my fishery to make any rules. Id agree its a little bit too much fetching nets every half hour. It does and did spoil some of the enjoyment for me. Even more so when i was thrown out of the match! I was on the scales as well!

Of course, the irony in all this bait discussion is that in reality what we really need is a pellet feed with very low nutritional value. We all know how vital feeding is and that carp are generally attracted through noise and competition. Hence the reason why we need something that can be fed in quantity without causing any harm. We don’t really need or want anything overly nutritious.

personaly i like to fish venues where the winning weight is likley to be no more than around 60lb.
Its horses for courses and its the same with bait if you dont like or cant afford marukyu dont use it ,if you dont like the rules go else where, theres plenty of both baits and venues to choose from.
A nd at the end of the day its survival of the fittest, you pays your money and takes your choice end of story.

PETA will have a field day if they read this…………..

Rich – for you to say that use Marukyu beacause it’s ‘more environment friendly’ is wrong IMO.

marukyu baits are sold at cudmore also most off the other brands of baits sold in all tackle shops plus skrettings pellets are still available cudmore paste and ground pellet cudmore is not enforcing you to just use marukyu baits only just stating that it is the prefered bait on the fishery i cant see what all the fuss is about most commercial fiheries endorse that you use there pellets {fact}stop whinging and go fishing. tightlines over and out.

@the margin gnome wrote:

Like i said Joff it isnt my fishery to make any rules. Id agree its a little bit too much fetching nets every half hour. It does and did spoil some of the enjoyment for me. Even more so when i was thrown out of the match! I was on the scales as well!

yes your right and the angler must know this when he fishes the venue [what rules are in place]
but to me the commercial is starting to tick-ate anglers its your choice whether you go a head and fish ,but thats playing right into there court at £6,£7and £8 per peg don’t you think its time to put the rule in perspective theses commercials can’t survive without anglers whether you view them over stocked or not! lets see what the EA would say

lets be about right government manifestos are changing as we speak

it does say in the post the prefferred bait at cudmore, is that by the fish the anglers or the fishery owner?

Its the preferred bait of the people running the businesses!!

Roy – “Cheers Cyril. We need to stick together”

Cyril – “No problem Roy. If Marukyu sponsor Cudmore Fishery then preferred bait can easily become the only bait allowed”

Roy – “Sounds like a plan Cyril. Marukyu Mallory with only Marukyu baits allowed has a nice sound to it too.

Cyril – “Roy the antis have been on the phone they want me to go on to TV to tell them how fish have been subjected to bad feed thrown in by anglers for decades until Marukyu came along”

Roy – “If it gets Marukyu TV advertising it’s all good.”

The own goal approach adopted by those promoting Marukyu beggars belief IMO and is short sighted and based on total self interest.

@Geepster (moderator) wrote:

Quote:
Holwell: “But CEFAS are doing a study for the government on the effects of bait used in our sport and its effects on the enviroment.”

Tell you what Holwell, next week I am going to find out why this survey is being commissioned, and who if anyone has been leaning on CEFAS to do it. Maybe they are doing it off their own back… well let’s wait and see…

Surely everyone in angling can see that if a government survey concludes that angling practice is bad for fish and the environment it’s a DISASTER for the sport, and especially commercials….

i think you are dead right geeps on this point once CEFAS are involved and see what over stocking in a so called fish friendly environment it won’t just be about bait it will be the effects on fish levels Ive heard it in tackle shops around here of carp gasping for air in this hot weather yet the anglers still fish on these lakes so again who is thinking about fish welfare
this a great topic and you can see that angling is totally split
i like to have a go at commercial fishing but only when i can compete with the rest these 200lb 300lb matches just don’t do it for me and you often hear anglers say i’ve not got achance from here its only worth 70 to 80lb
~sick thats headlines on a natural venue
i popped up the newark dyke mid week and it was great to see a midweek match with 40 anglers on it waggler ,stick,pole and feeder all being used and one or two of them coming off commercials for a change

~think ~think i wonder if holwel will realise this ~think ~think or can he only see through rose tinted glasses

Spot on Gareth you are talking good sense on this mate.