Thanks for the vote of confidence Gareth! First round will be on Wednesday 25th August at Barston.

To book on please email me: [email protected], post on here (as it won’t be on any other sites) or telephone me on 07875 815974.

Are all the matches to be held midweek?

Hi Lee, it is very difficult to find a commercial venue with 100 pegs free at the weekend as most venues have already accommodated numerous small club events.

I’m still looking though!

Just pm you Mark…put me down~clap ~clap

I understand, I hope you can becasue from a personal point of view I cannot make many midweek matches but it sounds like a competition that I would gladly support, not many people actively try to improve match fishing and for that I commend you.

Is there a list of all the dates?

Am i reading it right that its £60 a match if you go in the pools? I dont have a problem with that but i can think of a few that might. Will check my diary and come back to you Mark.

Steve: The £40 entry entitles the fishing for £1000 (assuming 100 people) and also means that one in ten will go forward to fish for £5000 without further outlay.

£20 pools will pay sections and up to 5th place.

Proper money for a fishing match!

I was looking at the American Bass circuit and some of there matches are $3700 to win $10,000!

I did look at Golden Pegs, cars etc but the only way to realistically bump up the prize money in match fishing is to increase the entrance fee and role money back in.

My aim would be to be able to turn the clock back to when fishing in the late ’70’s and early ’80’s where you had a choice of matches to fish whereby you could fish to your strengths!

“Waggler fishing on the Nene is to the fore, I fancy that or small fish on the whip winning on the Oxford canal, I’m good at that! That’s where I’ll go!” That was the general conversation on Wednesdays with my Dad when the AT and AM were out.

I’ve just came off the phone to Nigel too!

If people could contact me instead of Nigel you’ll help all of us! lol

Put simply someone could pay £40 (not bother with the pools) and go home £6000 better off after just two matches or you could win two £20 matches and take home around £300!

It’s a no brainer as far as I’m concerned and even I would be confident of at least winning my section once in ten matches so the quality anglers are even more suited to taking home money.

“It’s a no brainer as far as I’m concerned and even I would be confident of at least winning my section once in ten matches so the quality anglers are even more suited to taking home money”

Yes but how much do you win for sections as if you only win a section one out of ten matches you need to pick up £600 to break even.

sounds good, although on a personal level it’s too expensive for me.

Could the figures etc be broken down a bit deeper though.

£40 a head on a 100 pegger is 4 grand, if 10 go forward from each match and ( hypothetically) the final is 100 pegs, that means 10 qualifiers,meaning 40k in entry fee’s ( excluding the £20 on the day) so 10grand paid from the qualifiers and another 5k from the final leaves 25k.
How is the other 25k broken down in payouts on the qualifiers and on the final.

Its about time that open match prices went up. The first open I fished cost #10, 32 years ago. An open match was a special event, worth saving up to fish because it was worth winning. One of the reasons (apart from 3 kids) that I have drifted out of match fishing is the exitement just was not there, when fishing 20 peggers with a fair chunk of the entrance money going to pay for a day ticket.
Good luck with your venture, and if its hard to get 100 pegs on a commercial, there are things called rivers and canals. A big match on one of those may even tempt me, as if I drew a flier I might just manage to come second from last.

mark, are these matches all going to be on carp holes?

The decline in matches is not due to lack of money its because you couldn’t catch on the rivers or canals.
Its not the winning weight that you look at its the backing weights.
Look at the results of the Trent matches for the coming National they are abysmal.
I wouldn’t pay £40 to fish a river match today.

Possibly the decline in canals and rivers is that it would cost too much to switch back to that circuit: By the time you have tied 100+ hooks on 0.05 upwards and bought a load of canal type floats and re elasticated your poles with #2+ elastic you would have been better off staying on the commercials?

To be fair, I’m open to offers. If I thought that I could get 100 people on a canal then I’d run a match on one!

£15 in 1980 is about £63 pound today.

Fishing is cheap to do after the initial outlay. An Airity is cheaper than a Diawa Pro Carbon, pro rata!

Promotion is the big thing. I need to promote Hyper Car Leasing and in turn the people who frame will be promoted! IF you are a sponsored angler you need to be on this match. IF you have a desire to GET sponsorship then you should be on the match.

If you don’t think that winning £6000 for a £40 investment is good value compared to £40 for £300 then we aren’t even on the same planet! lol

What would YOU do with £6000? Nice holiday for the wife and kids? That would certainly make up for hours in the garage and being away at weekends wouldn’t it?

I’m trying to move things forward…. Well to get them back to where they WERE to be honest and when you think that probably only 10% of the field stood a chance of winning in the ’70’s and ’80’s I think that things are a little bit more competitive now.

Almost everyone who is still on the bank can win now as the other 90% have given up!

It’s about that urge to win, the next bite, the unexpected lump that could win you some money! When, even if you WIN you actually lose out, there is something missing from todays NORMAL run of the mill matches.

I want to bring back some excitement, some adrenalin and some kudos.

Surely that can’t be a bad thing?

One out of the Frame, can you answer the question about the break down of the pay out for each match and the dates and venues of the other qualifiers and the final, please!

A £40 entry fee for each 100 peg match is £4,000 per match in entry fee money. If 10 anglers go forward to the final from each match as section winners and there are 10 qualifiers. That means a 100 angler final where the anglers are fishing for £5,000.

Thats £40,000 in entry fee’s! from the 10 qualifying matches (This is excluding the £20 optional pool on the day of each qualifier). So, £10,000 is paid out to the winners of each qualifier at £1,000 to each qualifying winners. Another £5,000 is payed out for the winner of the final. That works out at £15,000 in total payed out in winnings for the 10 qualifiers and the final! Thats £25,000 unaccounted for in entry fee,s.

Can you please explain how the other £25,000 is broken down and accounted for in payouts/peg fee,s and your cut of the money for organizing the qualifiers and the final?

At the moment you are asking anglers to pay out more money to enter you competition than to enter Fishomania. The winnings for your match are fare less than for winning the Fishomania final and your final is not a 16/1 chance of winning if you qualify for the final. Your final will have 100 anglers in it from what we can work out. Thats a 100/1 shot if your lucky enough to qualify for the final with only £5,000 to the winner!

Its easy to find 100 peg commercial venues if you look for them. You only have to look at all the Fishomania venues and book them 1 year in advance.

Where and when are the other 9 qualifiers if there are 10 qualifiers?

Where and when is the final?

What happens if you dont get 100 anglers for each of the qualifiers?

I agree that pools should be more than they are in a lot of cases. Some of the matches we go on are £15 and when the peg fee is £5/6 that’s a big chunk out.

I disagree that fishing is cheap after the initial outlay, I fish Makins on a sunday and it costs me around £45 with pools, diesel, bait etc. Keeping stocked up with hooks, floats, line etc etc etc is in no way cheap.

We understand the sales pitch tempting us with what we could do with the money or if we aspire to become sponsored etc( which I don’t, fishing isn’t just about the sponsored superstars ) but people need a full breakdown of the finances and how the thing works.

TrueBlue is right, the odds are worse in the final than Fishomania although getting through would be easier in terms of odds( ie a section win instead of the match)

Steve (Trueblue): I wouldn’t be able to provide a full breakdown of the costs as this is confidential information to the Sponsoring company but can say that the costs are MORE than the cost of entry and that I had resolutely said that anglers simply wouldn’t pay more than £40 to enter.

Also note that there are £7.50 x 2 peg fees taken out of this too and it makes the match even BETTER value for money

As fishing is such a specialised sport, any copy would be written by me, in the first instance, before going through our media department, before getting authorisation by Hyper Car Leasing and although this may not be ‘costed’ to the participants, it is another cost to the company (and a cost to me personally as while I’m writing that I’m not doing my proper job I’m not getting paid).

I thought that I had answered the question regarding where the money goes when I had said that the only way to increase the prize fund is to role money back into the competition and increase the entrance fee.

We also have plans to run a bigger match than this although planning for March, in an ideal world,

But as for the odds, you only need to win a 10 peg section to qualify for a £5000 final and if you win the ‘right’ 10 peg section you take home over a grand!

I won a Winter League match at Tunnel Barn and I think that entry and pools were around £30, worm and joker were in the armoury so there’s another £20 and I won £204 for fishing against 103 other anglers….

It is a good system to get the prize funds back to where they need to be and if successful then I think that there is a fantastic opportunity to increase the investment even more.

It can only be seen as being good for the sport, surely?

Craftytafty: You may have misinterpretted my comment: “If you don’t think that winning £6000 for a £40 investment is good value compared to £40 for £300 then we aren’t even on the same planet! lol

What would YOU do with £6000? Nice holiday for the wife and kids? That would certainly make up for hours in the garage and being away at weekends wouldn’t it?”

What I was trying to say was that PERSONALLY, I found it it hard to justify spending hours in the garage preparing, then practicing then spending the weekend away from MY family to fish a match or two. WINNING and still being out of pocket.

At least with this payout PER ROUND justifies the effort and practice of all of us and also would allow us to treat the long suffering families.

In this instance i find myself agreeing with TrueBlue (will wonders never cease)?!

Taking the £40 payable by each angler, let’s break it down like this.
£7.50 peg fee
£10 pool (towards £1,000 prize)

That still leaves £22.50 unaccounted for. The £7.50 peg fee for the final can only come out of the total collected after all the qualifiers, not the first match or everyone pays twice.

Nothing wrong with making a profit but i am struggling to see what costs are involved for the sponsoring company? Can you enlighten me as i can only think that those costs are minimal? I can’t see that any form of insurance is required. Writing replies on TF can’t take more than a few minutes and what copy are you referring to? You have placed a couple of posts on an internet forum, nil cost. At present the angler is funding this totally based on your assumptions. You have made no mention of advertising, which will cost depending on the medium used, but i wouldn’t expect that to be for nothing. Your claim of confidentiality in costs is worrying to me as i can’t see how the balance from the £22.50 has been spent. Theoretically it’s a sponsored match with little from the sponsor so far as i can see.

For the majority of anglers fishing is a hobby, not a reward platform to replace lost family time. If you want to increase the rewards increase the costs to enter, simple. Your scenario allows for 1 in 100 winning £1,000. If, as you say it is about return, increase the payouts throughout so more get to win money. You are asking for £20 additional pools when that could be met from the £22.50 not accounted for could it not?

Seems a good idea in principle,just one criticism……….why only advertise it on the TF site,you say in one reply “Promotion is the big thing.I need to promote Hyper Car Leasing”as BNF pointed out you have a free medium in the Internet to advertise this project.

All you need is a password and a few minutes of your time and you can promote the company to the mass’s. ~think

I’ve just logged on before going into a meeting with Ian Meek from Hyper Car Leasing and I cannot believe that there is such negativity!

Hyper Car Leasing are already established but this is a new direction that I convinced them to go down! None of the guys (as far as I am aware) fish, they have no interest in fishing, or match fishing but WE stand to benefit from their involvement in our sport

If the cost of entry was nominal, it wouldn’t encourage the standard of angler that we are targeting which is the top tier of club angler and those currently on the open circuit.

The simple question to ask yourself is where else can you fish a match for £40 with the potential of winning £1000 on the day with a potential to fish for £5000 at no extra cost?

Or are you content with just paying out £15-£20 per match and being out of pocket even if you do win?

Which suits you best?

It isn’t negativity. We are only benefitting because anglers are totally funding it and it doesn’t need any company to do that, any one of us could organise it should we so wish. It seems as if it’s not only the anglers who are benfitting.

Fishing is a hobby, apart from a very select few ( and even that’s debateable)not one of us makes a profit or goes fishing to do so, if you do you’re in the wrong sport.

I spend hours preparing and I do it cos I love fishing, not as an end to money making.
The impression you give from your sales pitch is that profit is the be all and end all. It’s not

One thing which is certain is that in any fishing competition no one would get my money unless the finances are totally transparent and at present that is far from the case in this instance.

No one would disagree that the money would be welcome, but i doubt as many people will enter until the entry fees are 100% accounted for.

On the pegging fees of £7-50, you must know the venues in order to be able to pin down that cost as not everywhere is £7-50 a peg.

at present I 100% agree with TrueBlue and Billy no Fish

Very interesting thread, would like to see the breakdown of finances.

On first inspection it does seem that anyone could do this as it totally pays for its self and then generates healthy profit.

Im not sure that anglers are benefiting from the sponsor in any way tbh.

I also dont think there is much wrong with an organiser taking money from the event to pay costs, at a reasonable amount of course.

1. Can I afford it?

2. Am I good enough to win it?

As mentioned in the press release, I’m trying to move angling forwards. It should be a sport that can compete with darts and snooker but, without meaning to appear to be blunt, there are a small minority who cannot see the bigger picture.

To promote angling to where it should be will cost but if you are good enough to win, who cares? You’ve already paid with possibly years of dedication and sacrifice to get where you are, at the top of the game!

I’m sure sure Phil ‘The Power’ Taylor scrutenises the accounts of the promotor of every match he enters! Or does he just say to himself, “I good enough to win that! I’ll enter!”

I would love to run a match where the winner is up for £100,000 but obviously the entrance fees would be higher but you still just have to ask yourself those first two questions:

1. Can I afford it?

2. Am I good enough to win it?

Im just trying to work the maths out on this 1 and cant understand why 2 pegs fees need to be took out the 1st initial match, presumably to pay for the final…but this could come out on=f the qualifiers on the day.

Presuming 100 fished the first round thats £4000
100 x 7.50 Peg fees – 750
1000 match winner -1000
1000 in sections -1000
500 put through for the final- 500

That leaves 750 per round un accommodated for…..this is the figure that i think needs explaining a bit more and to what the sponsors are adding…..In my opinion sponsors should put money in and claim back from the tax man for advertising.

Im all for big money payouts and have already put my name down for this event however i have to agree its a bit mis leading where some of the pot is going?

Keep up the good work Mark….just a few final points needs answering.

but do they have to pay to enter darts matches Mark??

Im up for betting on myself, thats why I drive round the country doing so all year round, sometimes yes I am good enough to win, sometimes not.

Its not about that, its about where the rest of the money is going.

Why cant you answer that question ?

They are paying for me to run it! They are paying me to promote their company but I’m just one cog in a much bigger operation that includes media promotion, website design, IT development etc. The costs outweigh what is left over but that is besides the point.

The motor industry spends MILLIONS £’s per year on promotion and advertising but they need to be able to see that they will get a big enough bang for their buck before they get the wallets properly open!

I’m not an accountant, I don’t how they would go about recovering money from Inland Revenue. I’m just an angler, with a dream and a golden opportunity to put angling where it should be!

I feel confident that if this concept is embraced with an open mind, the top 10% of anglers will be earning proper amounts of money in a very short time and even bigger sponsors will be drawn in.

If you want to take money of club anglers for £15 a go, fill your boots! lol

The one thing that has surprised me is that people think that £40 is expensive for the opportunity for the best anglers to fish for at least a £1000 and maybe over £6000!

But it all boils down to those same two questions:

Can I afford it and am I good enough to win it?

@sheriff wrote:

Im just trying to work the maths out on this 1 and cant understand why 2 pegs fees need to be took out the 1st initial match, presumably to pay for the final…but this could come out on=f the qualifiers on the day.

Presuming 100 fished the first round thats £4000
100 x 7.50 Peg fees – 750
1000 match winner -1000
1000 in sections -1000
500 put through for the final- 500

That leaves 750 per round un accommodated for…..this is the figure that i think needs explaining a bit more and to what the sponsors are adding…..In my opinion sponsors should put money in and claim back from the tax man for advertising.

Im all for big money payouts and have already put my name down for this event however i have to agree its a bit mis leading where some of the pot is going?

Keep up the good work Mark….just a few final points needs answering.

it says that section money will be paid out of the £20 pools not the £40 entry fee, so there is another 1k needs explaining

Ok i miss read it then…..thats £1750 per match thats not accounted for……Tommy Pickering ran the Uk Champs for 4 years and if i remember right he took out 600 per year which was all documented and accepted.

Mark i think your gona come up for a lot of stick unless some hard figures are put down….The Angling times have been slated numerous times for the maver pairs for having a lot of money out the pot….they are in the fishing buisness though and can argue they put money back into the sport…..

Where are Hyper leasing putting money into this event?????

I dont see that spending £60 on pools, £20 + on fuel, £5 on brekkie, £20 on bait as that good a bet to fish against 100 anglers to try and win a grand !! Sorry. Arent Maver offering a 50 grand prize for a 50 quid ticket ?

Its not about affording it or being good enough to win, if you can afford it and you are good enough to win, enter fishomania, spend the same money and win 25 grand at shorter overall odds !!

If you can find 500 anglers who can afford it and think they are good enough, then all the best to you.

I’m all for big money matches and well done for trying to get one off the ground. However, about the following ….

@One Out of the Frame wrote:

They are paying for me to run it! They are paying me to promote their company but I’m just one cog in a much bigger operation that includes media promotion, website design, IT development etc. The costs outweigh what is left over but that is besides the point.

I’m reading this that they are using the missing £16,750 to pay you and pay for a website etc. Is that right?

It looks like a sponsored match with no sponsorship.

I’m all for big money matches and well done for trying to get one off the ground. However the following concerns me….

@One Out of the Frame wrote:

They are paying for me to run it! They are paying me to promote their company but I’m just one cog in a much bigger operation that includes media promotion, website design, IT development etc. The costs outweigh what is left over but that is besides the point.

I’m reading this that they are using the missing £17,500 to pay you. Is that right?

I’ve got to £17.5k by ignoring the two pegs fees on the first match although It’s hard to follow what’s going on.

It looks like a sponsored match with no sponsorship.

The figures dont add up;

10 matches x 100 entrants x £40 entry fee = £40,000

10 match winners x £1,000 = £10,000

peg fees for 10 qualifiers; 10 x 100 x £7.50 = £7,500

peg fees for final 100 x £7.50 = £750

winners prize = £5,000

income £40,000 [+ sponsorship ?] outgoings = £23,250

Where is the £16,750 + sponsorship monies going ??

i think i will keep my £40 in my pocket.

Nobody is being negative on here , they just want answers to where the hard earned money is going. I dont see it as a sponsored match as the £40 entry fee is generating a self financing event.
There is too much money unaccounted for so unless this changes I wont be entering!

Are you not the chap that was sentenced to time for fraud a few years back? if not, I whole heartedly apologise, but if you are, then I feel that people should know, before sending out their hard earned dosh. Like I say, I apologise if it was not you.

I can afford it and am probably not good enough to win it.

I asked simple, easy to answer questions and you come back with pointless analogies. If you don’t know or will not disclose the costs then what makes you think anyone will trust you to pay their money and enter?

The figures are simple, unlike your answers. Account for the unallocated money, outline the costs, and tell us how the “sponsor” is sponsoring a self financing series of matches.

It’s all gone quiet over there…..

It amazes me how these get thought up without the thinking of ‘will people ask where the money is’ of course they will

Goodness sake, no one wants people not to make a living or promote this or that but please dont take anglers for total mugs.

These figures are absoloutly ludicrous and I think someones on another planet and its not Me!!

Mark, you seem a reasonable bloke but this is madness, of course youll get a few big money anglers involved but to say things are confidential regarding finances and so on is just asking for trouble .

Where can you get another match that pays that kind of money you say?

Tell you what im running ( hyperthetically ) a five match series @ £40 entry

100 pegs each match = £4k x 5 = £20k

Pegging = 600 x £7.50 = £4.5k 5 matches plus final

£1k per match = £5k

£5k Winner of final

Total £14.5k and thats with 20 qualifying from each match

Nice – Now Im off to the states for a week with my £5.5k

See yer when i get back and well do it again

seen and heard enough……..cancel my ticket!!!

I was quite interested at first but now i’m staying well clear.

B.N.F for Prime Minister.

wow what a thread !!!
been looking at this some time and really dont know what to make of it. on one hand i dont want to have a go at someone whos trying to do good. on the other hand 16 grand is a whole load of wonga !!
deep down when this thread went up i knew from the off that i would never be involved and that the prospect of lining up 100 anglers would need to involve sex or stigma.
fishomania has that winnertraction that anyone in our sport would give their left bollock for and then pay 25k to get it back.
when the winner says its not about the money it really does make me think “maybe its not ” dont know what im trying to say really other than maybe just maybe we love our sport more than we think. one thing i have allways thought of is a big match involving no money just pure pride. “prideomania” lol.

BnF you already know that im almost alway correct and we do agree on most things deep down. The problem is that your alter ego gets in the way fare to often!

Anyway, back to this scam. Oops, sorry. This sponsored, big money match. If you wish to run a £5,000 to the winner match. Its very easy. Charge £60 per angler (£60 would be the charge all in for your match, anyway) and run a 100 peg match. The pools will add up to £6,000 in total. Im sure that if you asked to book 100 pegs on almost any fishery in the country. You would get the pegs for £500 or £5 per peg. That leaves you with £500 for five 20 peg sections of £100. You have your £5,000 for the winner. Its very easy if you think it though. Adding the use of a car for a year would be a nice gesture from the match sponsor!

I,ve fished in several winner takes all big money matches over the years. They do work on a relatively small scale (25 pegs at £50) but only if there is one or two per year. If it was advertised correctly in the angling media and on the main angling forums. Then im sure it would be reasonably easy to run a 100 peg match with a £5,000 winning prize. It just needs someone to run it without attempting to fill there pockets with cash at the expense of the anglers involved!

A long winded reply booted me out earlier – grr!

First of all I should point out that this is a public forum and therefore I would re read comments and if they are at all libelous I would use the edit function at your earliest convenience.

I can assure EVERYONE that I have no criminal convictions so mphillips, it would be appreciated if you deleted your erroneous statement.

I’m trying to bump fishing back up to where it should be. If someone else can do the same I would be the first backer.

10% of our competitors go through to a £5000 final with no further outlay: Good or not good?

10% of the field would be at least better off by £40 by being in the pools: Good or not good?

Someone will go home £6000 better off!

Higher chance of qualifying than other contests and much better odds.

A high profile match that I have tried to qualify for and have had two 2nds and a 5th. 2nds netted me £200ish.

In one of our matches, if they are in the pools takes home £400 plus their section possibly, another £100!

I should add that in the other high profile event that entry was I believe £23 a round (plus pools – no section, nothing other than entry to the final if you aren’t in those). £130 x 16 rounds PLUS people paying an extra £23 plus pools taking over the spots of the no-shows.

£15 to watch the final if you want to spectate….

Do the maths and I believe that our format is better for anglers.

A better return and more money per round!

“Lining my pockets” is only by wages unfortunately but I should point our that it is nearing 0100hrs and I’m still trying to drive this forwards.

What time did any knockers stop work? Secondly, what have you tried to do to move our sport forwards?

A round of golf would set you back £50 and you are up for winning nothing: We are asking for £40 to potentially win £6000!

I wish I got paid £600 per hour! lol

Mark , fair play for trying to get this off the ground but from what I can make out , some of the guys on here are asking where a large percentage of the money is going , and your not answering them? You need to give a full breakdown mate. Best of luck!

If you want to alienate people a good way is by hinting at legal action.

Answer the very simple questions asked, stop flanelling and avoiding the issue.

By the way i help run a website for matchanglers. Next year sees the start of it’s first knockout competition. It’s straight forward and the winner will get £1,000. It’s self funded by the members. That’s my contribution to matchangling. Not much, but i and the members enjoy it.

I’m not knocking you, just answer what people are asking, it isn’t difficult.

BNF I thought that I had handled myself with aplomb given the statements above.

How many other people would simply ask for the comments to be removed?

I’ve never slated people on websites and haven’t gone on a rant either.

MFS is an impressive site, I’ll give you that!

Promotion costs etc are above the amount that is being asked about. I think nigel paid £5000 for DHAP Media to do his promoting for four matches in the UK Champs.

Nigel may be able to give his time up for that but I’m ‘costed out (although obviously this is my time when I’d normally being XBoxing, ironing or looking at the inside of my eyelids! lol).

We have professional people that will promote the match, the company and the anglers to the highest standards. It’s symbiotic and will be good for everyone who’s involved.

There’s a lot of scepticism probably as I didn’t post for a while (shoulder injury following a car accident having dislocated it previously) and I haven’t fished much as I quite simply can’t do it to the standards that I did.

Hopefully there are enough people who could vouch that what you see is what you get with me (if they can remember me that is! lol).

I have a massive opportunity to bring sponsors in but they do need to see what they are going to get out of it. The motor industry is very black and white with no greys at all.

What would really be a kick in the nuts would be if you lot shooting at rabbits scared away the big game!

Hyper Car Leasing thought that this was a good way of promoting their business ON MY RECOMMENDATION.

I’ve spent weeks on this already yet the format is good…..

Is the principal of running the match and the amounts good?

I think they are so therefore it must be down to price?

What would YOU pay to fish these matches?

This potential big money match is not being promoted very professionally at the moment, is it?

Your not able or willing to give all the venues, dates or costing for your competition or what the sponsor is giving towards the event.

Stating that there will potentially be £6,000 to the eventual winner of your matches must be good for anglers is rubbish. It is only good for anglers if they feel that they are not being ripped off or conned!

Steve: I’ve spent weeks on this already yet the format is good…..

Is the principal of running the match and the amounts good?

I think they are so therefore it must be down to price?

What would YOU pay to fish these matches?

To answer your last question, Mark. £60 pools is fine if there is potentially £5,000/£6,000 to the winner and a reasonable chance of winning. Your formate is rubbish unless your aiming to make big money for yourself!

The Maver competition has potentially £100,000 to the winner and £50,000 guaranteed to the winner! The costs are similar to your proposed competition and the Maver competition is probably easier to win than what your suggesting as a formate! The anglers also know where there pools money is going! Everything is above board and transparent.

Your problem is the £16,000+ that you aim to cream off the top for your expenses, promotion ect. Also, the lack of sponsorship by a so called sponsor! Some anglers might seem a bit slow at times but most are not totally brain dead!

As i have already shown in an earlier post. I can create a £5,000 winner takes all match with some section prizes for 100 anglers with only £60 pools. It would be much easier to win than having to qualify from a qualifier to then fish in a 100 peg winner takes all final!

Your first big problem is that you will not get 100 match anglers on Barston on Wednesday 25th August 2010 even if you guaranteed £1000 for the 1st match to the winner and the entry fee was free!

“Hyper Car Leasing thought that this was a good way of promoting their business ON MY RECOMMENDATION”

So they are promoting thier business and NOT sponsoring the event? ~think
Then why not run the series on a full payout basis and hand flyers out at the matches

If you want to take angling forward you need sponsors, real sponsors, not a company putting thier name to it and using the anglers to pay for that company’s promotional needs

I’m sorry but I give to charities not to “sponsors” and I won’t be taking part~naughty

mark could you please tell us exactly what hyper car leasing are putting in to this as i carn,t see how they are sponsoring it, (but they will be getting a lot of free advertising).
the only money being put up for this event is from the anglers fishing it
sponsorship to me means putting some thing in not just taking out

I find it very hard to see how anyone would part with the fee given they will not give clear answers to most simple questions put to them.

where is the full breakdown of funds?

what is the sponsor adding to the event?

please can you just answer these questions so i can decide if i will book or not?

ive known you for mark for the last ten years or so via this forum. i know you are a decent bloke and not had any fraud issues.

but you are skirting round the 2 main issues being raised on here!

this is not helping things!

where is the £16000 unaccounted for going to?!

what amount of money are the “sponsors” actually putting in?!

No you have got it the wrong way round lads, were sponsoring the hyper car leasing, lol.
Sorry Mark, only joking!

Mark has been over for a coffee today, and has asked my advice, and is possibly going to plan an event for next year now instead.
Cheaper to enter, full payout, and well planned ahead.

I can assure he is only trying to get big matches back, and my £1000 Barston bowl 100 peg annual match was his idea 5 years ago to be honest!

Phew, that’s a bit of relief to be honest. From what I can gather, Mark is one of the good guys and I would hate to see him get shot down in flames.
The thing is with all this match fishing mullarky is that we all want big turnouts but the only way to get them is to make it more affordable. This is just my opinion but the very most you can expect the majority to pay to enter and get a serious turnout is 25 quid max, including peg fee. This is because although the majority of us know given a half decent peg we could probably compete, the actual chances of us winning anything major are pretty remote. If you add all the costs up like traveling bait etc and then add 40-50 quid on top to enter something is just unrealistic. Better in my opinion to have something far cheaper with a lot more bums on seats, may bee across more than 1 venue somehow?

As soon as I see these matches advertised for 40-50 quid the first thing i think is no way, and I’m pretty sure I’m not alone.

Cheap and cheerful is the way forward in my opinion, yes chances are you wont win and yes in order to pick up you might need to win a big section, but at least your initial outlay will be low and not such a great loss.

Put it this way a fruit machine analogy, whats more fun the old 2p nudge double ups or the new 50p rip of jobies?

Well done Mark on having a chat with Nigel about a big money competition. Yes, it could be arranged a could work. Everything has to be right to make if work. So, taking your time and planning it fully is the answer to get it off the ground.

Ah! +ve feelings towards this!

OK folks, £40 entry then pools with the format that I’ve posted before. I’m guessing that from the posters that most ‘knockers’ wouldn’t fish the match anyway on the (either) wouldn’t pay it/couldn’t win it side of things.

What I want is feedback: If the match was ran on the format that I’ve previously laid out, and you were perfectly happy with how the entrance money was spent, would you fish it?

The other thing I NEED to know is how many other people think that the winnings should be better?

Cost of competing: 6 years ago I was on a TBF Winter League match and doing fairly well and the guy to my left had a ‘fat’ section of a ‘latest’ top range pole fail in the difficult, near hurricane force winds but the fish were 14.5m away (wry smile from me soon replaced by astonished agog when the guy unzipped his holdall and produced top end product #2 selected said section and carried on!). All that for, at the most, a £200 win! lol (He didn’t win anything and neither did I in the end!).

Mark as I said to you at Barston (great to see you about again) I like the general idea and would certainly want to do some of the matches if the format was right. However I have had a good think and in my humble opinion ten qualifying for the final from each match is too many and one would perhaps be better. Why ? well it will be hard enough to get a core of anglers to pay £60 per match to start with and if with every match that passes ten of those qualify your core of anglers for the next round will diminish because ten of them will not need to fish in order to qualify. Then many of the ten would think twice about entering the remaining matches even though they could win a grand. Like others have pointed out there is no problem with the organiser of a series like this taking out their expenses but the amount that seems to be being missing from the pay outs at the moment will make this a non starter for most. I also think that the “sponsors” need to bring something to the table if it is only to pay the peg fees. A ten peg final for a 5K pot would make it more spectator/ media friendly and encourage anglers to make more attempts to qualify. ~think ~think

Can’t believe your still avoiding answering the questions people have asked, by doing so you have totally alienating your event and loosing ticket sales rapid!

I think it’s a good idea and i appauld you but people want to know where there moneys going and what the “sponsors” are actually doing, apart from getting free advertising.

Nobodys begrudging someone(you)from making money out of the event as your obvisously putting the time and effort into this for it to work but theres alot unallocated for so why not bump up the prize money and actually get Hyper car leasing to put something into it!

I do actually think the entry fee is to much for what your getting back, look at the maver match this £50,000 definite and possibley £100,000 if it sells out. But if you finish second on a qualifier you fish in a match on the same day as the final for winner takes all £5,000 match, all for £50.

I’ve had some very interesting conversations with several high profile anglers over the past couple of days and have some food for thought.

Having explained the angle that I was coming from most could see the logic behind it.

I’m going to start a new thread regarding the future of match fishing but the last comment that I will make regarding this one is that I went into Asda on Saturday night and forgot to ask what profit they were making on what I was buying. They had what I wanted at a price I was willing to pay.

Funnily enough, I forgot to ask the same question when I was in Tesco’s a couple of days previously and also forgot to ask that question when I bought a couple of pints at Barston too.

Thinking back, I didn’t ask that when I bought the bait for the match yesterday when I was in Bailey’s of Warwick: They all had what I wanted at a price I was willing to pay.

Anyone do the Lottery? Anyone ask what is being made before getting your ticket?

“How much! Can I have my money back please!” lol

If you can be arsed to re read all this thread then the answers are there. Hyper Car Leasing were (and might still be, I’ll know at 1100hrs but I’m not holding my breath) willing to throw a substantial amount of money into promotion but were also looking for a ‘nominal’ contribution from those taking part as THEY would also have benefitted.

In my probably deluded thought process, this would have brought angling back to where it should be, if successful, brought in ‘outside’ fishing sponsors and may have made a considerable impact on the sport.

One out of the frame,

Your totally missing EVERYONES (And i mean everyones) question, a simple one but you arent answering it.

Any idea to bring match fishing on is brilliant and i appauld you, just like i did with the ABC idea when they originally announced details. But, even though the ABC fell flat on its tits in the end, there biggest mistake was how questions where answered (or not as the case was) on a different forum. They didnt do themselves any favours by avoiding simple questions, and many of the questions where to do with finances, and thats your major stumbling block here. You have said your going to step back and arrange something for next, brilliant!!!!!. You can spend some time trying to sort a proper format and get you press release sorted with all questions ready to be fully answered.

IMO you will never get 100 anglers onboard for midweek matches, never!!!!, and at the costs against returns you have quoted, pigs may fly first!!!!. You mention 2 questions:

Can you compete?……………Yes i can.
Can you afford it?………….Again, yes.

But am i willing?, no chance, not on that format where £16,000 of the money you want us anglers to pay isnt going into the pot.

I would:

Have 10 qualifiers limited to 60 anglers. £50 all in.

6 sections of 10, with all section winners going to the final.

£50 all in X 60=£3000 per round
Minus 60 peg fee’s at £7 leaves £2580.
Take away £800 for the over all winner,
Take away £300 for 2nd overall and £200 for 3rd.
Take away £600(6 X £100 for section wins by default) leaves £680.

Now take away your admin fees of £180 and carry £500 over towards the final.

After the 10 rounds are fished at the above payments and payouts will leave you with £5000 carried over as first prize and youve collected £1800 admin.

For the final of 60 anglers you still charge £50, Again:

60 anglers at £50 = £3000.
Minus 60 pegs at £7 leaves £2580.
Winner gets the £5000 carried over from qualifiers,
Second gets £800 and 3rd gets £500.
Then take away 6 sections at £100 (by default) leaves £680.

You get the £680 towards your admin (thats a total of £2480 to you).

Fished to the above, making numbers for matches more realistic and the payouts way, way better, you will make for a strong series in year 1. If succesful it will grow, and with growth the attendance and payouts (plus your admin fees) will increase each year. Thats when you will make a name in promoting/bringing on match fishing.

Theres not much easier than sorting the above i should imagine, ive organised festivals for smaller ammounts but 60 is realistic, especially when making for decent payouts. And even with 60 anglers as above those payouts are better than you have originally suggested. I would certainly have a go if the payouts where like that, plus, if i where lucky enough to qualify after round 1 i would have no problem re-entering, thats proper money to go at each round for an outlay of £50………………….What do you all think????

Jusi answer the question about the missing money instead of avoiding the issue everyone is asking.

What are Hyper Leasing putting into it….Do we need them??

I remember the Builder Centre matches where they put money in and the big final at Whiteacres…..i dont see any of that here.

Think ill stick to the Maver Match this….At least you can see where all the money goes!

This is just my opinion but I think you will struggle to get 60 anglers at £50.00 let alone 600. Again this is just my opinion but if you want a big turnout then I recon your looking at £25.00 tops all in!! with a realistic chance at getting to some sort of final.

Well heres my pennies worth..
Fact is questions still havnt been answered it seems to me it was being run as a cash cow for yourself as far as i,m concerned i,ll stick to the maver match this and fisho,s for next year.
Dont think you will get much support now as the fact is you,ve tried to “wangle” anglers hard earned.

Everybodys out to make something though, if 180 anglers fish a festival at 120 Quid each for 5 days theres £21,600 then theres a super pool? People are more than happy to fish that format they have em queing up !

Quote( Out of the frame): If you can be arsed to re read all this thread then the answers are there. Hyper Car Leasing were (and might still be, I’ll know at 1100hrs but I’m not holding my breath) willing to throw a substantial amount of money into promotion but were also looking for a ‘nominal’ contribution from those taking part as THEY would also have benefitted(Quote):

At no point through the thread have you said (untill now) that Hyper car leasing are willing to put ‘substantial amount of money up for promotion’!

So the question again is where is the other money going but you won’t answer that so i can guarantee that your event will be tarnished and no-one will go near it now because of it!

sorry mate- but hyper cars putting money up for promotion – who’s promo theirs? or via match with their name on? still theirs,
and who to?- a sum to DHP or Bauer – which gets there trade name to the readers/sales of those publications.
If outside angling and websites like this and MFS, then why? given that national media are’nt exactly angling firendly and are even less likely to find match-anglers wanting to attend who somehow dont read DHP/Bauer or the sites and word of mouth.
The other promoter org could be the Angling Trust but they would be looking for a donation of some kind although genuine sponsorship- ie giving something -a service, gift or funding prize money.
Already , through this thread, they will have reached a wider audience.
Good luck with your stated motives and for next year – but this is a recession and most match-anglers don’t have large amounts of disposable cash – so for £60 a throw i’d have thought a high profile list of invitees may have fared better than asking the average match poolsfodder and regular to subsidise a car lease company new promotional venture- as existing national angling comps as stated are far more attractive and as further example woyuld cite the cost of entry for the team members to compete in the recent div.1 national, where costs and travel far exceed any possible winnings.
If you want more cash in matches- then just do an optional super-super pool for regulars at a commie or series within a region?

sorry mark but going into tescos and haggling has nowt to do with fishing expensive matches like you are trying to run.

and you still never answered peoples questions!!

all you have done over the last week is given yourself a lot of bad negative publicity.

if people have the choice of fisho tickets @ £23
or £40/£60 matches like yours then the fisho matches will win hands down every time im afraid.

The issue being missed by Mark is that the pools money is our money. We as match anglers pay our pools money and except that we pay peg fee,s to have our matches run well on the fisheries that we fish. The rest of the pools money is prize money and we will always ask questions if other money is not payed out in prize money! Its simply because its our money in the first place. Its a little different if a match has a sponsor. However, anglers will still expect to see at least a small amount of the sponsorship money going to the anglers in increased prizes!

£60 is not over the top for a match where good payouts are expected. It makes financial common sense for those who win open matches regularly.

The way i look at this issue of higher pools money is that i would be happy to fish one match at the weekend where i was paying £60. Rather than fishing 2 open matches where i have to travel hundreds of miles anyway. I have a budget i have to stay with. If i have the money to travel to 2 opens per weekend. Then i do. If i only have enough money to travel and fish just one match per weekend. Then thats all i can afford. Sometimes i cannot afford to travel to my regular open venues. So, i either stay local or miss that weekend and save the money i have for the following weekend. The fact that the money on offer if i win would be much higher than winning 2 normal open matches makes common sense to me. Fishing one high payout open match with higher pools. Just means that i would stay local or just fish once during that weekend. The cost of travel/food/bait ect, would off set the cost of the higher pools!

Ive got no intention fishing this match but i keep having a look at the thread to see if the missing 16k has turned up,im getting a bit bored now, could someone kindly p.m. me when we find out who’s pocket it ends up in?????

Mark, take a look at Barston 20ll and see what Anglers want….

good fishing, fair prices, good competition, and everyone knows where the dosh is,

Its only been up about 2 hours and look how much interest there is, its worked out at 60 anglers but at this rate they will be turning people away,

Fair play to the organisers…only peg fees and no mega wage bills,

You could ask if Hyper leasing would like 2 donate 10 grand into the event for a bit of advertisement, it might get them the start they are after.

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you all:

Lee’s match is exactly the same as what is currently available everywhere else! What I have been trying to organise is a bigger match, bigger payouts and bigger exposure.

Our Brand Awareness and Marketing Director took a walk around one of the bigger matches prior to Hyper Car Leasing’s decision to be involved in fishing and said, “Involvement in this field would as likely benefit Shimano, Garbolino, Dynamite baits than it would our company. At best we could expect to get our logo or exposure in one shot and if the top three were all sponsored by the same brand then the effect is even worse.”

I argued that we should still be involved and that a decision was made that a nominal contribution would need to be made by the anglers (or their sponsors) to make the initial competition work.

We would see how it influenced sales for Hyper Car Leasing, and if it had a positive effect, would stick with it and put money back in to run a much bigger match.

Pools money was always 100% payout

Don’t forget that this is a company that is not involved in fishing whereas Lee’s involvement through Greys/Hardy would mean that he would merely be satisfying his sponsorship credentials.

The bottom line is that our contest at effectively £20 per match could net someone £6000 for ten hours fishing. Where else could you get that type of return at present?

I should also add that I am the only person involved with the company who fishes so to get to where I am is an incredible achievement for the future of fishing.

Don’t forget that this is a company that is not involved in fishing whereas Lee’s involvement through Greys/Hardy would mean that he would merely be satisfying his sponsorship credentials.

The bottom line is that our contest at effectively £20 per match could net someone £6000 for ten hours fishing. Where else could you get that type of return at present?

I should also add that I am the only person involved with the company who fishes so to get to where I am is an incredible achievement for the future of fishing.

so is the 40 quid a one off payment to enter the series, or do you pay that every match plus the optional 20 super pool?

Jono: Any publicity is good publicity!

so is the 40 quid a one off payment to enter the series, or do you pay that every match plus the optional 20 super pool?

SteveS: £40 would enable you to fish a match of which the winner would get £1000 and every winner of a ten peg section (with no defaults) would go through to fish a final with £5000 top prize with no further outlay!

An optional £20 pools would pay section prizes and upto 5th place (100%) payout.

so its 40 quid per match then plus the 20 optional?

As I said right back at the start, my aim is to try and get some proper money back into match fishing. £15 in the late 1970’s early 1980’s is the equivalent of £63.55 today, 120 peg sell outs were commonplace where as anglers are drifting away from the sport in ever increasing numbers.

I’ve got theories on that but that is another issue.

I PERSONALLY, would find it easier to justify the time and practise to get to the very top if the returns could actually do something for those who have to put up with us not being there.

Winning a match and you could take your family on holiday for instance!

Or, for the non sponsored angler, pays for your new kit!

You are correct SteveS but 10% of the entrants would go through to fish for £5000 with no further outlay!

a simple yes or no would do mate

@One Out of the Frame wrote:

I should also add that I am the only person involved with the company who fishes so to get to where I am is an incredible achievement for the future of fishing.

Surely this thread has got to be a wind up!!!, a bet with mates to see how many times you can mention the company. Please explain this incredible achievement

@One Out of the Frame wrote:

I argued that we should still be involved and that a decision was made that a nominal contribution would need to be made by the anglers (or their sponsors) to make the initial competition work. Pools money was always 100% payout

This gets better and better!!!!. A nominal fee paid out by anglers to the “sponsor” company, WTF are you smoking??. And pools money paid out in full, how come you keep dodging the question as to where £16,000 of pools money you expect us to pay is going, because from your figures that certainly isnt being paid to anglers. 100% payout, but to who??

This has got to be a wind up………………..

Sorry Steve, currently working on something else with this running in the background.

Ian from Hyper Car Leasing and myself would be more than happy to do a Questions and Answers session.

@sheriff wrote:

Mark, take a look at Barston 20ll and see what Anglers want….

good fishing, fair prices, good competition, and everyone knows where the dosh is,

Its only been up about 2 hours and look how much interest there is, its worked out at 60 anglers but at this rate they will be turning people away,

Fair play to the organisers…only peg fees and no mega wage bills,

You could ask if Hyper leasing would like 2 donate 10 grand into the event for a bit of advertisement, it might get them the start they are after.

SHERIFF….COR YA LOCK HIM UP!!!! PMSL.

Pools money has always been 100% payout.

Once again, the return for the money is excellent!

Where else could you get that type of payout for the entry fee?

I can sort of see where you are coming from but as you can probably tell from the replies people won’t stand for handing their cash over without certain questions being answered in full.

I’m sure people wouldn’t mind paying 50 or 60 quid if ALL or MOST of that was being payed out and the “sponsor” was putting a sum up for the final, but from what I can see I’m afraid to say, you won’t get support from the anglers until this is done.

Justify the figures IN FULL and what this company are putting in then you may get some interest back….. but from all the negativity I have seen on here I’ve got a feeling it’s going to be too late for this venture.

Badangler: I’m contracted to a this company and have got them interested in investing promotional money in angling, not sponsoring a football or rugby match.

They have nothing to do with fishing and would need to be convinced that this is entirely the right thing to do before going to INVEST bigger amounts.

But they run a business not a charity and business must be generated from their involvement or that involvement would stop.

One of the the managers who is tasked with marketing thinks that it would more likely benefit other companies currently in fishing, than their own but they are still, at present, interested.

So they need to be convinced to invest money………………..By taking money we pay in!!!!, Sponsors of events put money in, not take it out. Your a mad man and have this totally wrong, why cant you see that??.

You say “They have nothing to do with fishing and would need to be convinced that this is entirely the right thing to do before going to INVEST bigger amounts”. Bigger ammounts!!!, they arent investing anything into this at the moment, you have had to convince them to put ONLY the company name to this match, and you expect us anglers to pay to convince them out of our pools money, whilst every bugger now knows the name Hyper Car Leasing for free!!!!!!…………………….

I bet their still interested whilst this thread is going. I for one had never heard of hyper car leasing, i wont be able to forget the name now, very clever of you!!!.

By the way, where did you say the £16000 that isnt being paid out to anglers is going, after all you keep telling us its 100% payout, but to who??……………..If this isnt answered soon i know this match format has been a wind up from the start.

Well you might of convinced Hyper car leasing but you haven’t convinced any Anglers on here.

In the statement on the first page it’s said that the company are sponsoring the event but there not doing no such thing. The anglers are paying them and plus there getting free advertising!

so what you’re saying is that the future of match-fishing lies in anglers actually paying private companies to be interested in angling?
This is a completely new form of sponsorship and marketing to me.
I also note that hyper-car lease,
http://www.hypercarleasing.co.uk/index.php
is a web based company – so by my understanding of their sponsorship of this proposed match – i should therefor pay them 20p(out of a pond) for freely mentioning their web based wares on this free to post web site(costs paid for by geeps personally and advertising-currently 40,000 user traffic for july)and home news-https://www.total-fishing.com/News.aspx?ID=5000_Hyper_Leasing_Match_Series_Gets_The_Green_Light?
Certainly, this must be an innovative means of involving or attracting new or younger anglers that would boost match-angling participation and attendance thereby boosting pay-outs?
Clint Elliot(whiteacres), Evesham Festival and the ATrust get sponsorship(cash imput and investment) from non-angling companies.
The golden age you refer to had large cash prizes/sponsorship from non-angling tobacco and drinks firms.
The ‘Builder Centre’, http://www.buildcenter.co.uk/ have previously sponsored a nationally acclaimed competition -and still invest generously in match angling.
However, in my opinion,none of these expect subsidised involvement along the lines you and hyperlease suggest?
I look forward to the imput from Ian Meek of http://www.hypercarleaseing.co.uk in his forthcoming Q&A regarding this matter and in explanation of the sponsorship arrangement that will benefit angling.

I’m fighting a losing battle:

An investment of £40 to fish a match (The entrance fee) and £20 pools (100%) payout!

£1000 to the winner even if he isn’t in the pools and entry to fish for £5000 even if he isn’t in the pools.

Let me get this right.

I, the angler INVEST £40 of my money the breakdown of which is:

£7.50 peg fee
£10 towards £1,000 prize

Leaving £22.50 which if i follow you correctly is my nominal contribution to HCL costs to cover (pay for ) their promotion?

Following which i can then pay £20 additional pools which is all paid out.

Isn’t it clear now OOTF why people are shying away? Again, you are clouding the issue using the 100% pools payout. Why can you not answer the questions clearly and concisely?

There were large outside angling involvement from Embassy, Captain Morgan Rum etc. for the bigger matches. Didn’t Calor Gas once sponsor something, maybe a National?

The 100-120 peg matches that were sold out were just club events.

As I said, my old man used to be the Match Secretary for the Standard Triumph in Coventry and they used to run open matches every other Sunday at Cropredy on the Oxford Canal and it used to pay out the equivalent of over a grand to the winner!

The main feedback that I have had is that anglers will not pay more than £30 to fish and are not interested in the prize funds getting bigger!

All I have been attempting to do is bring back a £1000 as a typical win. I don’t think that that is a bad thing and at a cost of £15.20p per angler, not extortionate! Especially when 10% of the field would go home taking money rather than merely covering costs!

Am you a POLITICIAN cuz i have never ever read and seen somebody avoid issues and talk so much DOGSHINE in all my days.

@Billy no Fish wrote:

Let me get this right.

I, the angler INVEST £40 of my money the breakdown of which is:

£7.50 peg fee
£10 towards £1,000 prize

Leaving £22.50 which if i follow you correctly is my nominal contribution to HCL costs to cover (pay for ) their promotion?

Following which i can then pay £20 additional pools which is all paid out.

Isn’t it clear now OOTF why people are shying away? Again, you are clouding the issue using the 100% pools payout. Why can you not answer the questions clearly and concisely?

Jeez Mark,you have been asked countless times on this thread,wheres the £22.50(maybe more if pegging fees are lower) going???????,if you cannot or will not answer,then your involvement in any sort of match will be doomed from the start.

I,ve already given you an example of how to create a £5,000 pay out after only one match with a similar outlay by the anglers.

The issue anglers are unhappy about is that your attempting to promote a company though anglers money with a pretense that your aiming to create a big money match that benefits the anglers. Sorry, but £16,000 of anglers money does not benefit the anglers and thats why this competition will never happen!

Its the anglers money, remember!

£100 x £40 = £4000
– £1500 prize
– £825 Peg Fees

£1675 x 10 divided by 11 is £15.22 per angler

I’m underselling as that is cheaper than the UK Champs, more money to be won and cheaper to enter with more entrants to administrate!

..”at a cost of £15.20 per angler…”

Not clear where that figure comes from .There again, I’m only an accountant.

Ah, crossed in the post with Mark

Just looking at cars do you have to be a business user to lease a car ? Or can anyone lease a car nowadays ?

its amazing this. why dont you just ask for a dd to be set up to take our money. this seems to be one big con.

Any one can lease a car Anthonywaters: Give them a call on 0800 0192692 and I’m confident you will be impressed!

mark, what is your position in this company?

@One Out of the Frame wrote:

Any one can lease a car Anthonywaters: Give them a call on 0800 0192692 and I’m confident you will be impressed!

If i hire a car will they pay me £16,000 to drive about in it.

himoverthere: It’s business not a con!

I was talking to a float manufacturer and his profit per unit is a minimum of £2.12! Length of time to make each float 23-57 seconds depending on what model he was assembling.

How many rigs have YOU got in your kit?

Dave: I am contracted by the company to work in business development. To be honest I am coming to the end of my contract with them but may have continued if the response to the fishing competition had been better received! lol

Dave: I am contracted by the company to work in business development. To be honest I am coming to the end of my contract with them but may have continued if the response to the fishing competition had been better received! lol

Peugeot are doing an offer at the moment called “just add fuel” One monthly repayment and nothing else to worry about like leasing I suppose, a big thing in America leasing your car

@One Out of the Frame wrote:

Dave: I am contracted by the company to work in business development. To be honest I am coming to the end of my contract with them but may have continued if the response to the fishing competition had been better received! lol

You have yourself to blame for that, simple questions were asked and you never answered them!

MarkT: I didn’t say I was jobless! ~think

That said, I’m off to a meeting and will be away from a pc for a few hours and not hiding.~naughty

I would like to see a decent float made in 23 seconds, what total bollocks !

Anyway, whats that got to do with anything, you buy a float because its worth, £2.50 or £2.75 or whatever. Its about value for money, you are missing this point with your idea Mark.

This is all a bit embarrasing! Well done on advertising the company though, you’ve done a good job there, I wonder how many people have now looked on their website…

@One Out of the Frame wrote:

I was talking to a float manufacturer and his profit per unit is a minimum of £2.12! Length of time to make each float 23-57 seconds depending on what model he was assembling.

You could probably assemble a float in that time but it takes a lot longer for the sealer , paint , varnish etc!!!!!!!

£2.12 per unit? nice mark up ~think

would like to hear hypercarlease chief chappy Ian Meeks explain how his company’s alleged sponsorship will benefit anglers?
Given Mark’s previous comment that the bloke only saw promotion in it for the top 3 winning anglers and angling manufacturers, and given that this site has recently announced july usertraffic of over 40,000, a no. of direct mentions and links to http://www.hypercarleasing.co.uk on this thread and, additionally, the initial T-F home news article announcement on aug.19th?
What type of promotion are we talking about?

How much traffic does this new super duper hypercarlease web based company generate by comparison?

How much money will anglers have to pay over to http://www.hypercarleaseing.co.uk before they will actually invest their own capital in angling as announced by Mr.Ian Meek in ‘future and bigger plans’ as per article on t-f home news? What size of substantial investment are we talking of? and again, will this future sum be again further match funded by anglers in entrance fees. What will the % breakdown of this balance be over 3 years with annual incremental figures?

Certainly, one can not help being somewhat amazed by this seeming unique innovation and development in marketing and company sponsorship opportunity.

Ian Meeks personal and qualified imput via the suggested Q&A would certainly warrant a receptive and appreciative audience and give him and his company a platform to reconcile the pertinant questions raised by anglers given the £60 entry fee quoted.

As such, and to be fair and balanced, we welcome and look forward to his reply.

lmfao

£15.20 for each angler to sponsor a car leasing company

@One Out of the Frame wrote:

£100 x £40 = £4000
– £1500 prize
– £825 Peg Fees

£1675 x 10 divided by 11 is £15.22 per angler

I’m underselling as that is cheaper than the UK Champs, more money to be won and cheaper to enter with more entrants to administrate!

OK, things are getting a little clearer now.

So
10 rounds of 100 anglres per round.
Each paying £40 ENTRY.

So each round 100 x £40 = £4,000
Minus £1000 to winner and £500 to final prize (of £5000)
You have quoted £825 peg fees above, you quoted elsewhere £7.50 per match per peg, so lets assume that 75p per peg is your “admin fee” which makes £825

so we have
£4000-
£1500-
£825 =
£1675 per round of 10-

After 10 rounds this means-
£40,000 in entry
£10,000 paid in 1st prize spots
(£5000 paid to ward final 1st prize)
£8,250 in pegs (which includes your fee of £750)

leaves a balance of

£16,750 NOT including what fees and peg fees you take for the final-

Can you confirm, yes or no?

So in reality- there will be £17,500 skimmed off for “HCL and OOTF” ?

In other words, your charging each angler £15.22 per match, per round of 11 rds to promote HCL? Why not 100 anglers fish for £25 a head and cut HCL out as they are not bringing any value to the table?
There would be the same prize fund and rewards at that reduced entry cost?

I must apologise to Mr Barns over my comment regarding him doing time for fraud, Im so sorry.

How did you get on with your tackle theft, 3 tournamant airity,s stolen along with tournament whips etc if I remember?, hope the insurance company,s have come up trumps.

And finally, good luck with this venture, if you can pull this one off, then you will be a real star, and Im sure that big matches will return in numbers, as everyone will be organising one lol.

@One Out of the Frame wrote:

Any one can lease a car Anthonywaters: Give them a call on 0800 0192692 and I’m confident you will be impressed!

mmmmmmm, if they run their business how you want to run a match I think I’d rather walk!!!!!!

SHERIFF….COR YA LOCK HIM UP!!!! PMSL.[/quote]

One thing that sticks in my mind that is if i ever want to lease a car never to go to Hyper Car Leasing…….. That name as stuck in my mind for ever and the people they employ.

Yamma i would love to…..i think hes locked himself up and showed what a great salesman he is…….rogue traders….heres another 1!!

at least dick turpin wore a mask ~sick ~sick ~clap

@One Out of the Frame wrote:

£100 x £40 = £4000
– £1500 prize
– £825 Peg Fees

£1675 x 10 divided by 11 is £15.22 per angler

I’m underselling as that is cheaper than the UK Champs, more money to be won and cheaper to enter with more entrants to administrate!

But the Difference is the UK Champs will run next year

This is just another pipedream where the figures don’t stack up in fact looking at the figures we should all be making floats

At the moment i’m unable to fish due to a back injury but at least i have had a good laugh and read the biggest loads of shXXXt i have read in a long time

@sheriff wrote:

SHERIFF….COR YA LOCK HIM UP!!!! PMSL.

One thing that sticks in my mind that is if i ever want to lease a car never to go to Hyper Car Leasing…….. That name as stuck in my mind for ever and the people they employ.

Yamma i would love to…..i think hes locked himself up and showed what a great salesman he is…….rogue traders….heres another 1!![/quote]

AND HOPEFULLY THE LAST QUOTE ON THIS THREAD THATS JUST BLATENTLY TRIED TO TAKE OUR….MATCH ANGLERS….HARD EARNED.

One Out of the Frame wrote:
£100 x £40 = £4000
– £1500 prize
– £825 Peg Fees

£1675 x 10 divided by 11 is £15.22 per angler

I’m underselling as that is cheaper than the UK Champs, more money to be won and cheaper to enter with more entrants to administrate!Quote

I’ll bet that the people fishing the Uk Champs are NOT fishing it for money and don’t care one bit what it costs to enter!

It’s one of the most prestigious events around for a match angler to fish and with some of the best anglers around fishing it.

I honestly don’t know how you can even compare it to your event as yours is a complete joke intent on raping anglers of there hard earned!

I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. In this case i am in no doubt OOTF has lost the plot, if he even knew it in the first place!!

I wonder if the people he works for have seen this thread and the damaging comment. I for one wouldn’t be happy with a staff member representing my interests in this manner!!

The more i look into hyper car leasing, the more bullshit i can smell. The company address is a house in warwick. BT have no registered phone number for it. The company number starts 0800 then the next five numbers are coincidently the same 5 numbers as the warwick area code! Google does nt find ” hyper car leasing”.

Mark, do you live at 33 griffin road warwick?

The whole thing smells of —t.

So what time is the draw in the morning?~think

@daveroberts wrote:

So what time is the draw in the morning?~think

You fishing it tomorrow Dave ?

Erm…..no paul!~hand

One out of the Frame

I have a couple of questions

Hyper car leasing UK Ltd are not showing any accounts for last year in fact Companies house doesnt even have a record of that Limited Company,

Now its not uncommon for a newly registered or formed company to not show up on the companies house database it can take a few days to appear.

So is the Company a brand new Company ?

or is the Ltd tag at the end to fool people into thinking this Company is bigger than it really is ?

Nice website by the way which leads me to my next question

What came first the idea of the fishing tournament or the Car Leasing Company because the website is only a few weeks old 8th of August I beleive ?

excuse me for being scepticle but its all starting to look a little strange to me

@Doc wrote:

The figures dont add up] outgoings = £23,250

Where is the £16,750 + sponsorship monies going ??

Anybody know whwere the £16k is going yet

@dave smith wrote:

The more i look into hyper car leasing, the more bullshit i can smell. The company address is a house in warwick. BT have no registered phone number for it. The company number starts 0800 then the next five numbers are coincidently the same 5 numbers as the warwick area code! Google does nt find ” hyper car leasing”.

Mark, do you live at 33 griffin road warwick?

The whole thing smells of —t.

you should become a detective dave ~clap
i,ll keep my hard earned in my pocket

I dropped off half way through trying to read these posts but if I buy all hundred tickets costing £4,000 then fish on my own and qualify, do I get £6,000 in winnings?

@Vince8 wrote:

I dropped off half way through trying to read these posts but if I buy all hundred tickets costing £4,000 then fish on my own and qualify, do I get £6,000 in winnings?

Afraid not. You’d need to buy the tickets for all ten matches at £40,000. Then you’d be guaranteed winning £15,000. lol

interesting info. Dave and Justin,
and the Q&A with Ian Meek ?
….perhaps the anglers ‘incentive’ sponsorship money will therefore be used as capital to obtain or rent some cars to lease?
then when(or if) these cars make a profit – the following years money will allow a proportion of the anglers shareholding in the car less admin and wages to make a prize donation?
‘great deal- great cars to rent’-certainly i will be remembering hypercarleasing and their unique USP involving angling when and if i ever needed to rent transport….and take a bus.
a pitch on dragon’s den awaits….

I thought so. That really sums it up.

Heres a link to the empire….

Looks like a nice house mind.here

jesus this guy must have rhino skin. he wins the award for most slagged off geezer 2010.
still makes a change fron true blue winning it~clap ~clap ~clap

can this be put to bed now! the chaps a twat! and wants you to take it up the anus! but you’ve all shot him dead! ~clap ~clap ~clap

Yes it can be put to bed!

Hyper Car Leasing (who didn’t want to get involved with angling) most certainly don’t want to get involved with it now!

Shame, as if the motor industry saw a benefit they could bring money into the sport.

What has surprised me is that everyone wants something for nothing and most have their head in the sand when it comes to how much things are being charged out at.

@One Out of the Frame wrote:

Yes it can be put to bed!

Hyper Car Leasing (who didn’t want to get involved with angling) most certainly don’t want to get involved with it now!

Shame, as if the motor industry saw a benefit they could bring money into the sport.

What has surprised me is that everyone wants something for nothing and most have their head in the sand when it comes to how much things are being charged out at.

And Angling Matchmen dont want to get involved with a company called Hyper car Leasing and the robbing people who work for them…

The End!!!!!

Heads in the sand ???

I think if people actually did have their heads in the sand you would have already sold out.

People dont like feeling they are bing ripped off.

I read with interest about the company, no accounts, residential HQ, brand new web site.

Seriously, if you were the punter Mark what would you think ?

Why dont you just take your idea, run it without the car company for a year and if you pull it off im damn sure a proper sponsor will want to be involved in the second year.

well if they did’nt want to get involved with angling -why ask anglers to seemingly pay an excess tarriff for their company’s promotion in angling, and what happened to hypercarleasing supremo ian meek’s Q & A?
at worst- he may have done a bit of business on the strength of interest surely?

What entertainment. I’ve spent the last hour on the edge of my seat, showing:

1. Interest
2. Anger
3. Boredom
4. Further Anger
5. Excitment
6. Laughter

Should the story continue! ~think

has anybody got the results of this ” high profile” match today. i wonder if mark has landed in america with his cash!

Hyper car leasing are very happy with the “sponsorship” deal with match fishing,this angler was very happy with his leased car…..

~hand ~hand ~hand enough of this ,mi sides are splittin,me just a humble club match organiser (Thousands of us all over the country),Accordin to OOTF,readin this thread meks me think I,ve been took For a mug all these years,chargin the club 10-15 quid per year for stamps and phone calls,when all along i could have upped the anti, booked 100 peg opens,hired an accountant for an HOUR to do the sums,put mi tootsies up, collect the money on the matchs,explain to the lads the deficit in pools money is for admin fees,advertisin what ever, job done. ~clap ~clap ~clap They,ll be fonoin us up tellin us we,ve won holidays in florda if we ring such n such anumber and send a tenner. priceless ,keep it up!!!

sorry about some of the spelling and grammar,still havent stopped giggling.

I made a major ___k up with how this would be received.

I thought that people would quite like to fish for better returns.

Float manufacture will give you 2750% return on capital investiture.

Motor retail, at best 3%, more realistically ONE!

I nearly got a mojor investor to contribute a massive amount of their money to our sport. What have you done?

mate,,,, run,,,,, run like the wind,,,,,,

(moderated),,,, and keep yer head down!

you tried it on and got caught out….

stop wriggling!(moderated).

@One Out of the Frame wrote:

I nearly got a mojor investor to contribute a massive amount of their money to our sport. What have you done?

sussed you out, that’s what we’ve done.

@One Out of the Frame wrote:

I made a major ___k up with how this would be received.

I thought that people would quite like to fish for better returns.

Float manufacture will give you 2750% return on capital investiture.

Motor retail, at best 3%, more realistically ONE!

make floats then!!

Mark, from what I have read, I cannot agree with your comment that, “I nearly got a mojor (sic) investor to contribute a massive amount of their money to our sport.” As far as I can tell, what you did was convince a car leasing company (reluctantly) to diversify its interests away from car leasing, to try and make money from putting their name to a fishing competition.

I appreciate that people are entitled to take their cut – and I think that some people are missing the point that no-one is going to take on the administrative burden of organising an event of this scale for free – but I do not think that people appreciate a lack of transaparency over such matters. Opacity brings suspicion and there are enough scammers and fraudsters out there without people thinking they are having their trousers pulled down for a tenner over a fishing match.

I think that you genuinely did this with good intentions (you have certainly posted previously about your frustration at how low match entry fees are), so I cannot endorse some of the comments on this thread, but I think that you need to think carefully about how to structure entrance fees, pools, etc, to bring about your ambition of more big money matches.

Incidentally, I was, until very recently, an accountant, so if you do want someone to count the beans, I am more than happy to help out… for a fee!

ootf wrote’I nearly got a mojor investor to contribute a massive amount of their money to our sport. What have you done?’

how then, does it that anglers have to subsidise the promotional risk of this ‘major’ investor for them to post annually invest an undisclosed ‘sponsorship’ sum?

As for putting something back , that is particuarly offensive to those who organise matches, coach, run sites, assist youngsters for free or at nominal expenses for nothing than the love of their sport.

ootf wrote’I nearly got a mojor investor to contribute a massive amount of their money to our sport. What have you done?’

how then, does it that anglers have to subsidise the promotional risk of this ‘major’ investor for them to post annually invest an undisclosed ‘sponsorship’ sum?

As for putting something back , that is particuarly offensive to those who organise matches, coach, run sites, assist youngsters for free or at nominal expenses for nothing than the love of their sport.
~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap Well said mate, lets be honest theres claiming expenses, and theres tekkin the p—, why would a major sponsor want paying by the punter for fees,adverting etc ,never heard of Embassy or any one else askin the snooker players to fund it themselves.