No response after five hours. Says it all really.

I’ve had a play with the pellets and groundbait.

Used the GB at Broadlands to fish for bream and carp. I used 2 bags of EFG131 in a mix, with some of the liquid silkworm additive.

It mixed easily (the instructions on the bag are very specific) but did seem to be a bit clumpy/too damp. On leaving it to stew for a bit, the bait produced a very yeasty smell (almost like Marmite), broke down easily and held together well.

I decided to riddle it, despite the instructions saying it’s not needed. It was then spot on. Nice and fluffy, but held together well when squeezed. I produced a decent amount of GB, some of which I balled in on a waggler line, some of which was used for a method feeder. I used an 8mm Marukyu seaweed pellet on a hair/lassoo as hookbait on the method and intended to fish maggot/worm/corn or pellet over the GB on the waggler line.

With apologies to Tony Hadley, to cut a long story short the bait worked perfectly in both instances. On the method, I had proper smash-around bites from carp and nice takes from big slabs.

On the waggler line, the fish at Broadlands tend to be quite transient – they follow the wind around the central island. My hope was by balling in, it would hold them in the peg for longer.

It wasn’t in match circumstances, so no idea if it was better of worse than using fishmeal etc – but I got regular bites from good sized slabs on corn before a nasty, mean old carp came in and spoiled my fun.

The bait is more expensive than other stuff – but does seem to last a bit longer. Swings and roundabouts!!

I reallly like the soft pellets they sell too. They are essentially little 8mm balls of soft paste. When I moulded one around a pellet at Witherington Farm on another day, I had a 4-5lb Koi followed by a big tench in consecutive chucks.

Looking forward to trying the GB in a feeder on the river at some point over the winter.

The price puts most anglers off.

The same ones who’ll pay #3,000 for a pole probably.

This food was developed as a feed for ornamental carp in Japan. There does seem to be strong evidence that it was developed with fish welfare in mind as prize Koi can demand high prices over there.
I can understand why fishery owners would like anglers to use it as clearly water quality is paramount to fish health, and therefore good fishing ie win win.
However, what anglers are really interested in in does it catch more fish?
The parallel for us anglers would be carrot juice and grapefruit for breakfast or a fry up?
If I was trying to catch an angler I dont think I would waste my time with carrot juice etc.
However for ethical reasons I think we should not condemn this bait without first giving it a go, you never know!
As for price, what about a couple of pint of caster and a few worms, £12 or so.

Fordy wrote:
The same ones who’ll pay #3,000 for a pole probably.

Yeah but i tend not to throw my £3000 pole into the water!!!!~clap ~clap

You only use free bait then? ? :o)

I didn’t reply because I’m involved with a web site that sells the Marukyu range but here’s a few observations :

The 1mm chomped pellets (I tend to use Nori because it smells a bit stronger) make BRILLIANT paste very easily. No riddling, no hot water. Put some pellets in a bowl. Cover with lake water. Leave for 10 minutes. Add more water until the paste is the right consistency. I’ve used it a lot this season and I’ve caught a lot of fish on it.

I’ve tried the Marukyu “stringy” paste a couple of times and I’ve never caught a fish on it, other people do but I have no confidence in it.

One of the groundbaits (EFG131) is used by a lot of the feeder anglers at the Glebe. It’s easy to mix and the fish seem to like it.

None of the pellets or groundbaits works very well in a method mould, it just doesn’t come out of the mould clean. If I’m using a pellet feeder I use Sonu / Skrettings on the feeder and a Murukyu pellet on the hair.

Another thing that the Glebe guys are doing is to mix the krill powder with maggots. Kill the maggots and then use those krill flavoured maggots either on the feeder or down the edge. The carp seem to like the flavour and if you burst one of the maggots you can smell the krill, so the maggots seem to be eating it.

The pellets break down much quicker than any others which is probably releasing flavour into the water. I’m happy to use all of the pellet range.

The sanagi liquid has a very strong smell. I’ve used it with corn and hemp. Again it’s very popular at The Glebe. It might just be a confidence thing but I wouldn’t fish corn without the glug.

Although the prices might seem high you have to bear in mind that all of the range is mixed at the waterside. There’s no need to mix gb the night before a match or to make a huge batch of paste only to find that the fish are eating corn and the paste isn’t needed. You can make small quantities of everything and if you need more it’s only a 5 minute job, so more expensive initially but less waste.

Fordy;
So because you drive a £??,000 car you are happy to be ripped off for fuel??
Same logic!!

I have had lots of success using the EFG 100 for skimmers and F1s, I have also had lots of fish using the 430 liquid on casters and corn, topped by a 199lb catch last week at the Glebe.

I have tried the EFG131 on numerous occasions but cant catch with it so not sure about that one.

I have used the Protein micro pellet o make paste and as feed and I like it , not sure it has outfished my normal micros but it certainly has not done any harm.

however the best stuff for me has been the Krill Powder, either put on maggot or added to pastes this sees fish go stupid and I now include it in all my carp paste mixes and will be trying it on pellets and gorundbait next year when the water temps go back up.

No. Sometimes I buy the high performance diesel though because I know it gives me a bit more ooopmh and a few extra miles in the tank.

My logic on this is that Marukyu works. There will be days when it might catch fish on certain venues when more regular baits don’t work.

I don’t think it will have the edge on a 4′ deep carp soup commercial. It might on a venue where there is more water, more natural food and natural features. That’s the kind of venues I like to fish anyway. I’m also interested to see how it fishes on a river.

If it’s not for everyone, then no worries. We’re not talking about it being a tenner a pack more here either. It’s a couple of quid so a slight reality check is needed!!

Anglers will be very sceptical of so called wonder baits, especially those with a heavy price tag.

Does the angler really get so much more for their money than any other G.Bait on the market??

Most anglers must remember the “Ultrabait”?? wonder liquid additive which hit the shelves a few years back… where’s that product now???

If the main selling point of the Marukyu is that it is good for fish and fisheries….. then i.m.o that is a rather tepid claim, dont all commercially sold baits have to under go scientific fish welfare tests before production??

Fordy in answer to your remark: that i only use “free bait”….. No mate i pay like the rest BUT i dont like over paying for a product!!

Interesting that the only people to call Maurkyu a ‘wonder bait’ are those who say they aren’t going to use it!!

One other element. At the end of a day’s fishing with it, your hands don’t stink of dead fish. I reckon that’s worth an extra #1.99.

@Fordy wrote:

Interesting that the only people to call Maurkyu a ‘wonder bait’ are those who say they aren’t going to use it!!

MMMMMmmmmm??? interesting…. it needs to be a “wonder bait” to carry off its price tag!!

most of the Marukyu groundbaits seem to be double in price than the norm & for a smaller quantity??

This bait was developed as a fish food with fish welfare in mind. Most commercially made pellets are made for fish food to encourage growth, ie for fish farms.
I dont think either can claim to be the ultimate fish catching baits.

Does this stuff only work at the Glebe or is it me!!!

I have made the EFG100 work on venues such as Barston and a few local lakjes where we fish for big bags of big skimmers, it has outfished the bait around me massivley….

Im not convinced that the 7quid a bag baits are that good but I am certain that the 100 and the sanagi liquid work, not only on the glebe but for carp in general.

The glebe will always be ahead as the bait has been used there for over a year, the fish know it is food and good food at that so they like eating it, I am sure given time that many other venues will switch on to it.

Its not magic, no where close buts its different and that good IMHO.

i’ve used it on commercials with limited success.
and a more natural water where it worked very well in comparison to other baits.
the one thing i don’t understand about these threads is how people get uptight about whether to buy the bait or not.
no one has got your arm up your back have they?

I won a match this weekend fishing krilled maggots over EFG140 on the pole at Shallowbrook in Norwich.

A friend of mine has been doing well fishing AFP310 paste over 1mm Nori pellets it has accounted for several wins locally including a 174lb weight from Burgh Apton also near Norwich.

I also came second at Topcroft fishing EFG121 in an opended inline feeder with half a dendra as hook bait.

So no complaints here

The grounbaits start at £3.99 ,
about average,
I have personaly broken my match pb 3 times this season using the baits .
sfa 430 on my corn and krilled maggots and efg 131 in the margins.
my pb has gone from 135lb to 220 lb.
so no complaints from me

@Baz Walters wrote:

Does this stuff only work at the Glebe or is it me!!!

baz it did not work at shearsby just ask mr cobb

@Fordy wrote:

I’ve had a play with the pellets and groundbait.

The bait is more expensive than other stuff – but does seem to last a bit longer. Swings and roundabouts!!

what a load of tosh, bait more exspensive but lasts longer??? so that makes it better value??
The only way the bait can last longer is if your not catching, the fish sont eat it, or you pack up early!!!!!

Only if you pile bait in irrespective of bites.

If bites keep coming to what you’ve fed, then you don’t need to keep feeding.

The ingredients in the GB are designed to keep fish rooting around in the swim for longer.

I understand people being sceptical if they’ve tried it and it doesn’t work. But if you’ve not tried it, how would you know?

You wonder how many anglers promoting the bait are doing so because they are getting some sponsorship from it.

If the very best anglers use the stuff and seem to be destroying surrounding top drawer anglers not using the stuff then it would make people take notice but at the moment I do not see any of the very best out there switching and if the bait made such a difference then surely they would.

Top anglers are sponsored by companies that sell bait. Preston, Sensas, Dynamite.

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

You wonder how many anglers promoting the bait are doing so because they are getting some sponsorship from it.

If the very best anglers use the stuff and seem to be destroying surrounding top drawer anglers not using the stuff then it would make people take notice but at the moment I do not see any of the very best out there switching and if the bait made such a difference then surely they would.

Anglers that are picking money up on certain baits don’t go around shouting what there using, they wouldn’t have that edge then would they.

I know for sure thats some anglers around the North West are using it and picking money up.

i keep Koi and feed them expensive food but they don’t really care. put a bit of unhealthy mothers pride bread in and they fight over it!
if you was a fish wiuld you swim past a bacon sarnie to get to a carrot? All this “fish healthy” stuff is not important to the fish – they cant read the bags. All this hype about bait is to catch us mug anglers – some people are making loadsa ££££ just putting standard fishmeal products in fancy bags promoted by a bribed a “star”.

I go fishing to catch fish not to feed the buggers healthy food – that what I pay the fishery owner to do.

Yes Marukyu baits are expensive, especially the liquids. However, if they help you win matches then it more than pays for itself.

Twice this year I have started using Marukyu baits part way through a match and it has transformed a swim.

In another, I used hemp and meat glugged in the 430 liquid and had 108lb from a fishery where the proper match anglers usually win with 50-70lb. Coincidence ? Maybe, but I’ll continue to use it throughout the winter when the fish get a bit more picky about what they eat.

By the way, I am not sponsored by Marukyu but if Roy reads this then I’d love to be !

I expect all the other bait manufacturers are rubbing their hands….makes their overpriced bait look positively cheap!!! 🙂

I’m looking forward to the day when Marukyu is compulsory on every fishery in the entire country.

@Fordy wrote:

I’m looking forward to the day when Marukyu is compulsory on every fishery in the entire country.

Are you being serious?!! So you are looking forward to when a bait company has a monopoly and can rip us off even more?!

Yes. Hopefully Marukyu will be given permission to have everyone’s bank details and take cash direct from our accounts whenever they need it.

@Fordy wrote:

I’m looking forward to the day when Marukyu is compulsory on every fishery in the entire country.

Think you are still dreaming Fordy “wake up” lol

It is my understanding that all commercially available groundbaits are scientifically tested and must meet with set standards prior to being sold……. so what makes Marukyu any different?

Ooh Fordy you little mischief maker!lol

@Fordy wrote:

Yes. Hopefully Marukyu will be given permission to have everyone’s bank details and take cash direct from our accounts whenever they need it.

lol! ~clap

I’ve heard this Marukyu stuff is so effective, even gay anglers like Gary Thorpe can catch on it.

WHO???? lol

when i did a bit of fishing in Asia we used bait from “old ghost company”, it seemed to be very similer to the Marukyu stuff, very fancy ingredients, it was very very good, also very very cheap!!!
ie 1kg bag was around 75p, pellets 50p some was not suited to the UK market, but some was, had some good results here with it also.

If it was the difference then top anglers come what may would be using it

The reality is people say oh it made the difference etc but these very same anglers will have fished on days where moving their fishing area 6 inches + left or right was the difference between catching and not catching. I also recall the Ivan Marks story whereby a customer kept asking him for some of his secret additive and Ivan sold him a bottle of tap water. The week after the angler was say oh I bagged up it must have been your additive Ivan.

Well additives work, thats fact.

Wether Maryuku are better is the question, my findings are that the EFG 100 is an awesome skimmer gorundbait and has proved to me that it works.

The Krill powder is brilliant and again I know it gives me and edge as does the 430 liquid.

I am not convinced by the 131, having tried it numerous times so I probably wont buy it again but isnt that the same with every bait company ?

I came second on a corporate day at the fishery mentioned with 93lb approx 6 weeks ago (yes I know that’s a low weight for the venue) Roly Mac won it with 140lb odd and guess what ? Neither of us used any super duper Marukyu groundbaits or additives.

In fact I was nearly “puking” having to listen to the owner Mr RM telling the settled audience the only way to catch and DOUBLE your weights was to use the aformentioned product.

It was sooooooooo much a sales pitch it was almost stomach churning. All I used was £2.00 of sweetcorn !

I love fishing, i’m sick of being taken for a mug by fishery owners and their massive over pricing, over pitching, money grabbing schemes, normally in the interest of the fishes health(pmsl) (Don’t bite Nigel), no problem with earning a living, covering costs and making a profit. But, please don’t try and claim it’s for the fish, it’ll catch you more, it’s scientifically proven, coz that’s all a load of bollocks IMO

Last year the only acceptable pellet at the Glebe were Green Swim Stim, what’s up now then RM ?

Have the fish gone off them or are they bad for the fishes health, Nooooooooo ! he gets a better cut from Marukyu. I haven’t got any problem with people that have strong opinions, beliefs or views. Nor do I have with people who get on their “soap box” and have strong convictions. But I can’t stand people who’s “convictions” only match the wallet.

Do people really think, I mean really think that MR RM belives these baits are the utopia of fishing additives.

IMO it’s PR and marketing genius, tell everyone it’s the equivlilent of “viagra” for fish, double the price and you mugs will all run to buy it. Anybody remenber that fish sex hormone additive that came out a few years ago, it was that good I can’t even recall it’s name.

Did you know that 8 out of 10 fish prefer it,

it’s true you know……..

It won’t last, it’s a fad, it’s a con

Wake up guy’s and smell the coffee

I have spent a small fortune chasing this bandwagon around and to be honest i could have got a simialr response by throwing in a couple of Alka Seltzer, I get fish in my peg but the bait doesnt make me good enough to get them onto the hook.

One thing that always struck me is if this bait is so good for fish welfare and the surrounding enviroment due to all the natural ingrediants used in its production, what about the other end of the scale what about the destruction of the enviroment in sourcing such vast quantities of all these products, After all we are talking the biggest bait company in the world they must get through a hell of a lot of ingrediants?, maybe a bit deep for this topic but the Japanese don’t exactly hold back when it comes to raping the sea and land for a product. is this a red herring for other reasons.

They should have called this stuff Marmite,

I still maintain the good angler who gets his presentation and feeding right will shine through, it doesnt matter what bait he or she uses on the day as long as its the right one and the angler has the confidence in the bait they choose.

nothing against Marykyu, and RM- certainly i’ve nothing but respect from those who know him -and certainly pre-marakyu days was impassioned about aspects of fish welfare and the wider environment. He did an excellent series on carp-senses in M/F a few years back and has a pedigree in match-fishing history almost second to none and visitors -even from my neck of the woods travel many miles for the glebe matches he runs.
However, some good points have been made and Krill is a standard ingredient in fishmeal- albeit better ones. You can buy and crush up them dried from some pet shops sold as a ‘doggy treat’.Browning do a krill version- and you have to remember that krill is one of the mainstay small bait fish of most marinefish diet.
However- using 3 tons of small fish to make one ton of fishmeal surely is’nt environmental or at all sustainable- even if the current main source is ‘unwanted’ and previously ‘uncommercial south american shores baitfish. They are part of the food chain of other species- and it does’nt take rocket science to work out the effect of baitfish and particuarly sandeel (and anguila eeel -though different slightly )depletion and consequent effect on food chain seems to have co-incided with resulting reduction in some other species and visible in certain sea bird stocks diminushment- and cormorants becoming a part inland bird in winter nowadays.
So fishmeal of any kind surely can’t be long term environmentally beneficial if you include fish welfare per se?
Always felt it a bit like feeding meat offal and slurry to cattle although most fish, certainly carp are omnivorous at certain stages and times.Yes, i do use it(almost exclusively in summer and where carp present) and pellets so am being perhaps hypocritical but merely raise the issue regarding fishmeal longertime use and eventual potential environmental consequences?
‘Nori’ seaweed as an additive can be brought from some health food shops in packets of dried sea-weed sheets.I agree that Japan and fish welfare is hard to swallow unless you mean their pet koi’s.
having stated that, Maryuku obviously does work as a bait-no doubt is nutricious as other fish rearing pellet formulated baits and in current economic climate, surely a fishery owner should be able to prefer or have a tie in with a bait company. I notice RM does not bar other products(luncheon meat excepted for genuine fish and water quality reasons)and rival bait companies from being used at his fishery. He could do- as many others currently do- but does’nt choose to- which does sort of give weight to his endorsement of maryuku and his enthusiasm for it’s use- be very odd if he did’nt really?
If you rear fish on any bait when they’re young then they’ll probably show a preference for that food(we are;nt that much different), and some baits can become more fish popular through repeated use- just like any other food.
Roach even eat silkweed on occasion- so bunging a bit of dried or powdered silkweed certainly should’nt do any harm.

Some interesting points made here, I have not tried Marykyu yet, but probably will at some stage, so really cannot comment further.

I can’t understand the moaners who have not even tried it!

Like most things in life, the choice of paying a bit extra is down to the individual.

Totally agree with wightangler though – krill is the bed rock of life in the oceans and we cannot plunder it forever without it having drastic and disastrous effects.