nice one gary~clap ~clap ~clap

Not looking good for us 🙁

Personally i think fergie is doing a brilliant job long may he continue haha

@Gary the gudgeon wrote:

Your team has got OLD and is ready for the scrap yard, TIME TO RETIRE FERGIE.

Looks like Hodgson will be joining him…..~think ~think

Well funny ! Im heart broken !

NOT !!!! lol

I wasn’t overly impressed by City today. The standard across the board is getting worse this season.

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

I wasn’t overly impressed by City today. The standard across the board is getting worse this season.

3 pts and a possible goal of the season ….. nuff said.

Both United and Liverpool are in serious trouble end of .The Rooney / Ferguson feud may well be the straw that breaks the camels back ? We will see.

If I was a United fan more than anything I’d be worried about the financials. Rather than gloating over what’s gone on at Anfield I’d be worrying about, “there but for the Grace of God go we”.

City and Chelsea have different worries. As playthings of the super rich you have to understand these people can get bored very quickly.

City and Chelsea have different worries. As playthings of the super rich you have to understand these people can get bored very quickly.

We can but hope.

O/T

Highlight of the sporting year to date is HRA’s succes with Frankel.

I really hope he trains on and wins the Guineas, there aren’t many people I don’t know but care about but Henry is a hero of mine.

Agreed, he does look ill though….

I was more gutted by Cheltenham, trying to work out which of the Elliot/Carberry double acts was the ‘ONE’. As it turned I couldn’t and there were 2! Elliot will break his Festival duck next year.

just how many times have you fools written the master off in the last 10 years~think dodger wishful thinking. as for the cash the worst that can happen is we are relegated to the conference to start all over again with a turnover of 100 million plus we will still get 73,000 every week. you see unlike the wanabee,s united is built on concrete not oil.~clap ~clap ~clap and every so often we rebuild from youth not a gay arabs cheque book~sick

@herbie wrote:

just how many times have you fools written the master off in the last 10 years~think dodger wishful thinking. as for the cash the worst that can happen is we are relegated to the conference to start all over again with a turnover of 100 million plus we will still get 73,000 every week. you see unlike the wanabee,s united is built on concrete not oil.~clap ~clap ~clap and every so often we rebuild from youth not a gay arabs cheque book~sick

Its the green and gold wearers that are the fools herbs ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty

PS Bobby Manc isnt interested in buying shrek ! lmfbo

Herbie, are you a regular at Old Trafford? A couple of my mates are and they say that they cannot remember a time when it has been easier to get tickets, with most matches barely selling out. A few years ago, you couldn’t get hold of a ticket for love nor money.

The problem with LBOs is that, unless you have a secondary buyout before too long, the operating cash flow is swamped by the interest roll-up on the high yielding debt in the capital structure. That’s why these clubs are only just hitting the wall now, several years after the original buyout.

gary there,s always been spare tickets its just finding then thats hard. the fact that the glaziers have been allowed to rape our country,s top club is something of a disgrace. same applies to liverpool who in my opinion are a close second to united . this needs addressing urgently. both teams will survive these theives because there as ive said built on concrete. however the toy boy clubs such as city,chelski,Qpr are on very thin ice should something happen to there masters. city pay 30 million out in wages more that they earn not healthy. do you think his heirs would want to continue ~think should something happen~think somehow i doubt that.
also how much longer do you think real madrid and barca will allow rich arabs to dominate the transfer market before they go to blatter who is in there pocket for urgent change.

dodger shreik will rot at gold trafford for a while yet before taggert sells him to A C milan. no one has ever been bigger than united just ask the best family.

Dodge you have to admit City got huge slices of luck v Blackpool and the victory was daylight robbery. I thought Adam was the best player on the pitch and City looked very fragile down the right hand side.

All the Sky whores. Man U,Chelski,Kopites and Man C are skating on thin ice.
If the money goes out of the game you will all come down like a house of cards, the only way forward is a wage cap aka rugby league.
This will level the playing field and stop clubs selling their souls to the highest bidder.
Great win by the blues on Sunday, worst Liverpool team i have ever seen. Hodgson makes Souness look like a tactical genius.
Havn’t stopped laughing all day.
Going D
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@NW Cut Angler wrote:

Dodge you have to admit City got huge slices of luck v Blackpool and the victory was daylight robbery. I thought Adam was the best player on the pitch and City looked very fragile down the right hand side.

Blackpool are a breath of fresh air to the premiership ,good luck to them , they play good attacking football,they are wide open at the back though which will get exposed time and time again at this level , think city hit the woodwork 3 times aswell as score 3 goals ! City are playing a system that makes us very difficult to beat , physically very strong. When Mario Balotelli is fit ( next week hopefully) bobby manc will have an option to play 2 up front and change the current system slightly. At the end of the day its all about 3pts whether you win 1-0 or 5-4 ….. Plenty of sides will come unstuck @ bloomfield rd.

PS Tevez was the best player on the pitch by a country mile.

@Dodge wrote:

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

Dodge you have to admit City got huge slices of luck v Blackpool and the victory was daylight robbery. I thought Adam was the best player on the pitch and City looked very fragile down the right hand side.

Blackpool are a breath of fresh air to the premiership ,good luck to them , they play good attacking football,they are wide open at the back though which will get exposed time and time again at this level , think city hit the woodwork 3 times aswell as score 3 goals ! City are playing a system that makes us very difficult to beat , physically very strong. When Mario Balotelli is fit ( next week hopefully) bobby manc will have an option to play 2 up front and change the current system slightly. At the end of the day its all about 3pts whether you win 1-0 or 5-4 ….. Plenty of sides will come unstuck @ bloomfield rd.

PS Tevez was the best player on the pitch by a country mile.

Not a chance 😉 Adam owned that game. I think reverting to 1 up front worked well for City. Certainly bringing Silva on who looks a very gifted player. Johnson is a weak link IMO defensively and the sheer size of the City defenders means they have to be slow.

Was Holloway right Dodge re Blackpool being hard done to?

Dodge, they played two up front on Sunday, didn’t they (Tevez and Adebayor)? Agree thought that City will be there or there abouts in the top 4 and challenging for honours this season.

herbie, my point is that demand for tickets is falling, which makes the ‘concrete foudnation’ of significant support on which the club is built appear ever more exposed to subsidence…

Yes Adebayor was playing up front with Tevez ….. he is useless hence my post !

If adam is a better player than tevez then you need to visit specsavers gary.

Dont care one bit about Holloway (top bloke) the game has gone.

Im bored now !

Dodge, it was NWCA who said that Charlie Adam was the best player on the pitch, not me! I reckon Tevez has to be one of the top players in Europe at the moment.

It was and on that day he was Dodge. Nobody is saying he is better than Tevez period but on the day the best player on the pitch was Adam.

Are you going to beat Arsenal Dodge?

I fear for Manchester United away @ Stoke City next weekend.

PS sorry gary …. too many questions lol

No idea how Utd will fare. The start of the season is traditionally slow but we look off the pace and are leaking goals so what should be a hard fought win could be anything but. It will be interesting to see how the Rooney saga develops. Players like Cantona would return even better from such drama. Rooney?

Come on Dodge, are City going to beat Arsenal?

Sky sports news are now reporting that Rooney will definately leave in the next transfer window,citing a total breakdown in the relationship with his manager.

Great way to increase your bargaining power at a time when you are demanding £200k a week, as football finances are imploding around you…

He’s not asking for 200k thats absolute bollocks from the likes of the Sun and NOTW. They’ve had a fallout but it ain’t about money.

I am a Man U fan but I do think Sir Alex is nearing the end. However, Rooney is not doing it on the pitch be it for England or Man U. How it will pan out I do not know but Rooney’s personal life antics have become an embarassment.

Would be funny for the neutrals if he went to City though~clap,wonder what billboard will go up lol.

MarkT, do you have an inside track on Rooney’s wage demands (genuine question)? I don’t, but I know that’s what I would be advising him to ask for, given the fact that he can walk out for nothing at the end of next year and especially when Yaya Toure is earning at least that over at Eastlands…

@Gary wrote:

MarkT, do you have an inside track on Rooney’s wage demands (genuine question)? I don’t, but I know that’s what I would be advising him to ask for, given the fact that he can walk out for nothing at the end of next year and especially when Yaya Toure is earning at least that over at Eastlands…

Yepp Rooney is a free agent in 18 months , makes sense for Utd to sell him asap , dont think it is as straight forward as that though ~think once a player crosses Ferguson he is history at old trafford , better players than Rooney have found that out. Rio Ferdinand is reportedly Uniteds highest wage earner on £130.000 a week ! Gareth Barry at City earns a lot more than Steve Gerrard does at Liverpool a week ….. United under the glazers cant sustain the wage bills of City and Chelsea , maybe that is why Rooneys new contract negotiations have broken down ? i dont know tbh but Rooney is still young and will be looking for the VERY BEST DEAL possible i imagine ?

gary when united were relegated they averaged crowds of 54,000 best average in the country. they went 26 years without a title with the biggest crowds in the country. what ever happens they will always attract large crowds both home and away. my point re concrete wasnt about numbers it was about the foundation of the club which has always been at united in my lifetime YOUTH. up to last year both united and liverpool were streets ahead of all commers and now chelski have used the ruski to buy in a good selection of youth. trouble is with all that money being poured into both city and chelski cannot afford the time to bed these boys in, whereas taggert has been doing it for the last 2 years has have arsenal. ask yourself one question. if you had 60 million to spend on any player who would you buy??. i cannot think of a single one. we will sell rooney for 60 mill and already have a replacement without spending a penny. this is the united way from now on. thats concrete

dodger its a fact of life no one crosses fergie ever. rooney is history as was beckham as was staam/keane no matter how good there not bigger than the club. he wont be missed they never are. the king is dead long live the king. remember george best never was a quarter the player after he was dumped by the worlds biggest club neither was beckham/keane. the only way is down.as for playing for city wouldnt bother me a bit.there already fighting amongst thereselves trying to get a game~sick ~sick ~sick

I am confident re Man Utd surviving whatever financial downfalls / player crisis hits them. Other clubs are far less solid re support and self generated income. It would be nice to see some more youngsters come through to replace the Giggs / Scholes / Neville generation.

fergie and rooney both past there best, time to put them out to grass preferably long so they can reach it and see who s coming up the rails behind them ucking premedonnas the pair of them

@Gary wrote:

MarkT, do you have an inside track on Rooney’s wage demands (genuine question)? I don’t, but I know that’s what I would be advising him to ask for, given the fact that he can walk out for nothing at the end of next year and especially when Yaya Toure is earning at least that over at Eastlands…

I wouldn’t say an inside track mate but i’ve spoken to alot of people who are close to things at the club and they all say the same thing, it’s not about money. Yeah say they’ve definitely had a massive falling out, i just think it’s just a coincidence they’ve had a set to just before he was suppose to sign a contract that had already been agreed for around 150k.

Tell you what if any United supporters/fans think theres anyone good enough in the youth team to come through and take Rooneys place then your more deluded than the City fans.

The money we will get for Rooney IF he goes will not be going towards any new players it will be going to the same place as the Ronaldo money, paying debts off and Fergie will lie again saying we have money when we clearly don’t. It’s only going to get worse and at this rate will be be lucky to make mid table.

mark remember ronaldo ~think ~think most united fans laughed when taggert kept faith with nani myself included~naughty would you sell him now~shh if you had 60 million to spend on a striker who the hell would you buy~sick ~sick the best city can do is torres lol, chelski some brazilian whizkid ( heard that before). my budgie has scored more times than torres this season.we have one or two players out on a seasons loan that will replace the fat scouse git anyday of the week. vastly overrated is rooney, teams have worked him out now he has the touch of a drunken sailor. what united need is a holding midfielder of the keane mode. goals will come from all areas of this team but if anderson ( are you sure he,s brazilian) and park( asian shirt advert)play we are light in important areas and dont get me started on carrick. jesus he is rubbish.~sick ~sick ~sick . taggert is very shrewd using both scholes and giggs whilst bringing on the youngsters same as wegner~clap whereas these chequbook charlies are rapidly running out of quality players to buy. headlines in this mornings star ” rooney to city on 500k a week” are these editors realy that stupid.

MarkT, thanks for that. I have to say though, if I changed my post above from £200k to £150k, my point would still stand…

Who can blame him for grabbing the cash whilst its on offer. Its not his fault someone is prepared to pay him that much. I do think the PL is imploding. I have Sky and never watch footy anymore. I have had enough of the kissing of team badges then demanding more money. Went to gym last night when footy was on, come on Blackburn Sunderland in front of a half empty stadium, even the guys in the bar were doing crosswords no one seems to care anymore. The Liverpool finances are just a start wait until the clubs get the right to negotiate their Sky fees on a club by club basis as they do in Europe, its curtains I am afraid for most as they are up to their eyeballs in debt.
If Rooney goes how much of his fee will SAF have to spend? Can I suggest next to none?

johnh i ask the question yet again with 60m who would you spend it on~think ~think ~think

…and apparently it is £200k a week that he is after:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8071894/Manchester-United-play-hardball-with-Wayne-Rooney-as-Manchester-City-wait-in-wings.html

Can’t believe I am saying this, but seriously contemplating binning my Sky Sports subscription as well. My spare time is too precious to spend it watching Blackburn v Sunderland.

@herbie wrote:

gary when united were relegated they averaged crowds of 54,000 best average in the country. they went 26 years without a title with the biggest crowds in the country. what ever happens they will always attract large crowds both home and away. my point re concrete wasnt about numbers it was about the foundation of the club which has always been at united in my lifetime YOUTH. up to last year both united and liverpool were streets ahead of all commers and now chelski have used the ruski to buy in a good selection of youth. trouble is with all that money being poured into both city and chelski cannot afford the time to bed these boys in, whereas taggert has been doing it for the last 2 years has have arsenal. ask yourself one question. if you had 60 million to spend on any player who would you buy??. i cannot think of a single one. we will sell rooney for 60 mill and already have a replacement without spending a penny. this is the united way from now on. thats concrete

Herbie.
You are missing an important point here.
When Utd where last relegated football was still a working mans game, it was affordable and accessable.
Since the Sky monopoly they have created an elite 4 who thrive on CL football, if they don’t qualify for that then they are all but bankrupt AKA Liverpool.
Football is no longer accessable to the working man, they have been priced out of the game and it is now attended by the prawn sarnie brigade.
These so called fans will not stay around if success does not come, i have seen it happen.
A so called Liverpool fan who i work with has stopped going to the game because quote.
” It is not value for money anymore because we keep getting beat.”
This is the mindset of the new breed of football fan, not the 1970s fan as I and possibly you where, who turned up regardless home and away.
Thank god i’m an Evertonian and have no expectations or delusions of glory.
Footy is fooked mate.

Debt is the big issue.The financial crisis was caused by the flawed assumption that property prices would never fall, indeed they would keep increasing forever. 120% mortgages et al.
The debt levels in footy are unsustainable unless your club has a rich benefactor. In this case just hope he does not get fed up and walk.
Herbie if SAF has the 60m or whatever how can he buy anybody because Chelski or City will just outbid him using monopoly money. Game over. Wenger has said the same.
Result is club cannot compete in CL resulting in a fall in revenue which currently does not cover interest.Players will be sold to bridge the gap and the spiral goes on ever downward.

Herbie tbh theres isn’t anyone out there to buy and also no-one wants to come to United. Why would they want to come to a place with no money and a very average team. We haven’t signed a world class player for years now, everyone deal we’ve tried to do as fallen apart or they’ve gone else where.

Your saying Rooney is overated now ay, are you the same fans that were blowing that much smoke up his arse 6/7 months ago it was coming out of his ears. Are you saying that as an England fan?? Yeah he’s had an awful 6 months but that will come back, with time. With Rooney on form we are a top 2 club, as has been proven.

You keep talking about Youth, yeah they won the reserve team league last year but they aren’t good enough for the premiership, the sooner you realise that the better. Next you’ll be telling me Welbeck and Mecheda are going to be getting us 30 goals next season.

PMSL…Fergie has just stated Rooney will not play tomorrow………………..he has a ankle injury according to Fergie~think ~think ~think ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap

mark weve only had a handfull of strikers who score 30 goals in 40 years they’ve all come and gone, but united still stay the same as they did when i first saw them in 1956. whatever happens the support will always stay the same, yes the glory boys will dissapear but they will not be missed . as for money well i’d quite like the glaziers to go bust and if that means we start again then so be it. you know as well as anybody we will recover. and as for our youth. well ive heard it all before 1993 ring a bell. then there,s “world class players” cant think of any at all off hand. as for rooney being world class ~sick dont make me laugh ive never been a fan of fatso he,s just a thug who was never fit to lace denis laws boots. as for england never have been a fan since they ommited to appoint both brian clough and jack charlton as managers and appointed a succsesion of yes men aka noddy,s

I think your talking bollocks Herbie, your just typical of the arm chair fans that say there brilliant when there playing well and when they have a bad game thats it there crap and lets get rid.

Anyway he’s going now, so it deosn’t really matter.

PS: Its also worth mentioning that the youth of the early 90’s was a very specal case and we’ve not had youth players of that caliper since. The games changed alot since then.

Fergie’s either a good in fact very good actor or he was genuinely crestfallen in that press conference,btw can any of the MU fans tell me if some reports were correct that Fergie took Rooney in for a short while when his Mrs booted him out over the press/prozzy stories.City are now favs to land him according to the bookies.

Wise words Herbie. Wise words indeed!

Thats it then, old Wazza is on his way!

http://http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/10/10/19/manual_142252.html

Mark you perplex me. Football if anything has become easier to play at a young age. The game has become tamer and tamer.

Is the Man U youth development system poor? I would presume/hope not but great players are by and large AN.OTHERS before they emerge. They have to discovered. What is without doubt is that great players will always exist, nobody is irreplaceable etc.

Sir Alex contradicts you re Man U salaries. Who is correct Sir Alex or Mark? Personally I would think salaries at Man U compare with most elite clubs bar a couple. I am not convinced Man U can pay huge transfer fees hence why I would expect the scouting / youth development system to be working over time and be as good as it can be.

Everything is pointing to Rooney joining Man City in january ….. fergusons interview on explaining why Rooney has asked to leave United is extraordinary to the extreme……Rooney asked to leave United last august according to Ferguson ~think

Some serious answers need addressing by Ferguson and David Gill to Man United fans imho ….. so much lies has been told by these two in the last 18 months to 2 years ! any money United get for Rooney will go straight to the glazers not to buy new quality players.

Got to say i am shellshocked at what has happened with Man Utd in the last week or so ~think ~think

NWCA: The game might of become tamer(in your opinion)but it’s more tecnical and faster now.

When i said it’s changed i ment in the case of youth team coming through and becoming top premiership players, how many come through and do that now?? Not many, most come from abroad and thats shows with the our National team.

The youth development at United is excellent as it as always been but they still aren’t good enough, just like most teams youth squads.

Some players are irreplaceable IMHO and Ronaldo is a prime example.

I never mention about other players salaries all i said was i didn’t think the Rooney situation was about money and well i’m still not totally convinced. Our salaries bill is around the 3rd or 4th in the Prem and i agree we can’t pay big tranfer fees, where as the Ronaldo money gone?? The money we get from Rooney if we get any will go the same place and once AGAIN we will be lied to about it.

I have no doubt Herbie / Mark that basically every amount of transfer money is going straight to the Glaziers to pay off part of their loan debts etc. Thank somebody we are so good commercially because otherwise we would be in the mire.

P.S Mark, come on the game is meek and mild now. Tackling is becoming extinct.

I don’t think many owners are making any money out of football. The only people making serious money out of football are the players, the managers, their agents and associated hangers-on.

It is like the Liverpool situation – Gillett and Hicks effectively poured £150m into the club that went down the tubes of bad signings and players wages, yet they got villified as though they had asset stripped the club and run off with a pile of money. Someone answer me this question: how much has Malcolm Glazer made out of Man Utd so far, and what return on his investment does that represent?

Collymore’s just said on talksport that he knows for certain that Rooney has been offered 500k a week from man city,he would only say it came from someone extremely close to the “situation”,he knew last week,what i cant fathom out is if city get in the CL how are they going to keep within the imminent new laws being proposed by prattini,ie wages/expenditure matched to attendances monies/incoming £££s etc.What happens doesnt concern me either way….yet(very hopefully lol) but when Juve,barca/milan(s)real/m were dominating with their “cash” nothing was proposed then,it stinks of anti-english yet again imho

Good choice to bin Sky sports Gary.

I can’t believe any sane hard-working person would wish to contribute financially to this orgy of greed.

@bremes wrote:

Collymore’s just said on talksport that he knows for certain that Rooney has been offered 500k a week from man city,he would only say it came from someone extremely close to the “situation”,he knew last week,what i cant fathom out is if city get in the CL how are they going to keep within the imminent new laws being proposed by prattini,ie wages/expenditure matched to attendances monies/incoming £££s etc.What happens doesnt concern me either way….yet(very hopefully lol) but when Juve,barca/milan(s)real/m were dominating with their “cash” nothing was proposed then,it stinks of anti-english yet again imho

There isnt a chance Rooney has been offered 500k a week ……. maybe 200K !

Its all kicking off up here in Manchester ! PROPER !!!! LOL

“Its all kicking off up here in Manchester ! PROPER !!!! LOL”

You mean they’re going down the river?

@caster rob wrote:

“Its all kicking off up here in Manchester ! PROPER !!!! LOL”

You mean they’re going down the river?

Its official !

I have a stalker !!!

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

P.S Mark, come on the game is meek and mild now. Tackling is becoming extinct.

It’s called football not tackling. Tackling still exists just not so much in topflight football, the lower you get the more physical it gets. As i’ve said it’s ten times faster now, making it harder to get stuck in like they use to in the days of Bremner & Hunter.

Thankyou Mark T. After years of playing the game to a level where I played with/against several future/ex professionals I never knew that.

Ask anybody who has played pro level and they will tell you the game is a lot cleaner and softer. Speed I can see why you would say that but whilst the ball is moved fast over short distances the fact the game is more controlled and measured means it has slowed down overall with less ‘aerial tennis’ The players themselves are by and large faster, some far faster.

As somebody that played / watches both football and rugby league I am embarassed by how a RL player can be hit by the force of a small car and get up as if nothing happened yet a footballer can be tripped up and roll as if he has been shot and be taken off.

Ironic how you argue that young players cannot play football at a young age yet I see 16, 17, 18 year olds playing the highest level of rugby.

Thanks for your sarcastic reply and informing me of your superior knowledge.

But you have read something I haven’t written you said i argued that “young players cannot play football at a young age” at no point have i said that. I said that most coming through the youth teams at United aren’t good enough for the Premiership and history proves that.

Roll on the day when this so called ‘Game’ implodes and teams and supporters get back to grass roots. It’s a house of cards just waiting for a fresh breeze to knock it over,