The main thing i would like to have changed is that only one result should count towards each anglers points total, per weekend. At the moment anglers who are able to fish both days at the weekend have a major advantage over those who can only attend open matches once per weekend. Those who are able to fish twice per weekend have (A) twice the chance to pick up points. (B) Can gain double point scoring weekends. Having twice the chance of scoring points is a big advantage. However, being able to score two lots of points per weekend gives very little chance to many anglers of making the top 20 in many counties leagues. Its to big an advantage for those lucky enough to be able to match fish on both days at the weekend.

A very well organised match considering the size and amount of anglers/teams to sort out smooth draw so think the basics are spot on.may be an idea to move match 2 weeks/month earlier, other than that think its a good format..well done..

your bound to get moaners even if you put 10 grand up again.

same as above

Team formats great as you can be with anyone so a bit of a mystery untill the semi,s are done with..Agree with trueblue were you should just have 1 counting day.

I thought the final was extremely well organised considering how many people you had to deal with and with the match spread over 2 complexes, it seemed to go perfectly smoothly to me.
I would also like to see the system TrueBlue proposes (or something similar). I made the top 20 this year but only just as I only get out once a weekend, if the same format is applied this year for the full 12 months I have resigned myself to not making the top 20 next year as I cant compete with those who go twice every weekend and every bank holiday so are fishing more than twice the number of qualifying matches I am.

Yes really enjoyed the final , but too many anglers on the pools to make it a decent fishing match , how about having teams of 3 or 4 , so your not cramming anglers into tight corners , good idea from True Blue about only 1 weekends results .

The 1 match to count way would be the best way to go,it will obviously get more people interested,match was well run,but should be a few weeks earlier,what about a 30 peg quarter final,10 go thro to the semi to get the final 5,teams will be much stronger/even for the final itself.have heard there thinking of the county winners to automatically go thro etc.I dont think rover matches as the winner fished should count either, final venue should be on a venue that can cope with it,either less teams or anglers in the team, or a canal,also it would be good if it was actually counties,not the county of WALES,SCOTLAND ,WESTMIDLANDS etc lol lol lol

i thort it ran really well and was a grate day only bad thing was the hard frost in the morning… keep it how it is…

A big well done to Angling Times. Abi, I understand that you were there at Barston, doing some organising along with Mark. So well done to you two as well. ~clap ~clap

Whoever had the job of collating all the points through the months deserves an enormous thanks from everyone. ~clap ~clap I have said on here before, whoever it was needs a raise from A Times in my opinion. A horrible, pretty thankless task I would imagine.

Match organisers don’t always know how to spell the names of the top 8 or who they fish for or the county they live in! Even if they do when they phone the results in, it has to be interpreted at the other end by Ken Wade or whoever gets the results for that area. Errors can occur then. To make it worse, people change sponsors

I am fortunate enough to be able to fish whenever I want. Sometimes I fish two matches a weekend, sometimes I don’t fish at all as I do have a bit of a life outside of coarse fishing. So I probably end up fishing about the same number of matches as those who ‘religiously’ (good word for a Sunday) fish once a weekend. Whilst I understand the point made by those who can’t fish every day, life isn’t fair and it is just tough! Some people can only fish once a month or just midweek.

People do and in my opinion should be rewarded for effort.

Leave the format as it was! ~clap ~clap

Thanks for all the nice comments guys. The event proved to be a great succses, and i think everyone really enjoyed the day. Your comments are all well recieved, and we will take on board all that is said.

i was there fishing for worcester i think the match was run very well .the only thing i would change is maybe run the final a month early say september so the fishing is better and also i no its a hard one but have the qualifiers at a non local venue say every one based around the midlands have the qualifier at barston but apart from that i enjoyed the day and thanks to the angling times staff for puttin all the effot in to it lookin forward to next year if i qualifie cheers chris

Top 5 not top 8 and spot checks on venues to stop lying about number of anglers

Same as true blue, i would like to see one day count instead of who gets to fish the most, also maybe more than top 20 (30 maybe?) in regional showdown, therefore giving more chance to other anglers to get into there regional team.

I like the idea of slightly smaller teams if the venues are going to remain the same or making it earlier in the year so fish are slightly easier to catch in a pressurised situation.

Most people had the opinion Barston was going to win the match so perhaps the money could be shared between the two venues? Perhaps top 3 on each?

Perhaps a rolling draw on the day would have helped slightly? As people arrived they paid, drew and left.

I thought the format apart from that was spot on. The qualifying match helped to root out those who actually wanted to fish and those who had qualified but didnt want to fish the final.

I spent the Saturday before the final scraping bloodworm in anticipation of a hard match but thats another story ~sick

I enjoyed County Champs this year and think it is great for the sport.

The idea of only one result per weekend to count is great. I can only fish one day a weekend,and not every single weekend at that.

I would probably struggle to make the top 20 again over 10 months as I’ll be fishing far less matches than most

Big well done to all at the AT though ~clap

i too agree with True Blue…i fish most saturdays & sundays,& ended up winning the staffs league,& going on to qualify for the final…..i am under no illusion ,that the semi would have had some better anglers in it if only one day counted….also.when i rec`d my letter,with the final details on it..the winnings were listed for the section wins..i heard that they were changed on the day & it wasn`t to reflect the 3 missing teams either !

I qualified for the final but decided not to go as it clashed with the second rd. of the winter league (also an AT event). Alot of (very well known)anglers didn’t fish for the same reason.

It would be good to see the final a month earlier or even on a saturday so as not to clash with team events.

Also, some people were found to be submitting match results with inflated attendances. Although this is an old problem (Kamasan comp has always had same problem), it was well known that one person in particular had done this – I think examples should be made to stamp this sort of thing out in the future.

Another vote to have it moved earlier due clashing with W.League.

An excellent competition
A lot of organisation went into it at the AT, thanks everyone there

I was lucky enough to qualify for the semi but disapointed when I got there

I was maked down for a county early in the year (Lancashire) the county where I fish, not where I live (Gtr Manchester)

I reported this to the AT and was moved into my own county (Gtr Manchester)

The semi for Lancashire was where I fish regular, I would have loved to have fished that semi, but I represented Gtr Manchester so had to fish the Gtr Manchester one
The semi I fished had anglers from Lancashire and Cheshire in it?? as well as those from Gtr Manchester

A better system needs to be formed to sort the anglers out into the right counties

Apart from that I think it is an excellent format and run well

The idea of anglers being able to fish in a section they want to fish in is a bad one in a team event in my opinion. It benefits the local teams to the final venues to much. Its one thing to know the venues and have local info. Its something completely different when you know which lake your fishing on and anglers within local teams can prepare in advance for that particular lake to suit strengths. There is a good chance of venue experts getting in to local teams for the final. Do we really want those anglers being able to pick the lake/section they want to fish on? This advantage can be limited by an open draw for sections and then a second draw for individual pegs on each lake/section.

I have to agree that placing anglers in a section is a bad thing. It is bad enough in a team event where everyone knows each other. Where people do not understand or know each others strengths or weaknesses who chooses where people fish? The biggest and most aggressive guy gets the best section – NO Way~naughty

Some good points. One comment i would make is how would you sort out only counting one result from a weekend? I dont see how that is workable? Or if you frame on a sat and sun do you just count the sat result? I understand why people would like just one result to count but dont see how its workable.

Also for me the placing of anglers worked well. We were able to let anglers say where they wanted to go. They could then practice accordingly. This worked i guess for our team as we agreed all money would be split between the team. This stops everyone wanting to go to one section where the most money might be won. Not all teams might have been able to agree on this though.

Steve, your team is also fairly local to Barston and could practice fairly easily making it even more difficult for those who couldn’t to compete. The Suffolk Team didn’t even know that worm and caster was needed for good section points! (Thanks Mark and Abi :-), I do know that you were not allowed to help the team out though!!)

I would like to see the finals moved around the country like the Clubman is. Yes, I know that you got some criticism for that as well Mark!

Would it be possible to have semi finals for the differant areas of the country- east,west north, midlands Etc and a smaller final because although Barston is fairly central, it still involves a long drive for several teams and on the day, 2 teams with possibly the longest drive did not turn up.
I cannot see how you could possibly police a one result from a weekend rule because if you finished outside the top 8 on Saturday which is a result who’s going to stop someone scoring points on Sunday? Or would it be only one scoring result per weekend.
The placing of anglers for the final is not a good Idea in my view because it benefits the local teams, granted you get out what you put in but the majority of people in the final are not full time anglers and cannot practice because of work commitments and travel restrictions Etc

To make it work there are a number of options but I guess the most fair would be to say that if you score both sat and sun then the highest score in counted, you could also take the average I suppose. Assuming something like Excel is being used it should be easy to set up to make it fully automated.
Personally I liked being able to place anglers. For me coming down from Cheshire to practice is a tough to do more than once or twice so it was good to be able to practice on Gearys knowing I would be there on the day. We also agreed to share all winnings so were happy to put anglers on Barston (which we assumed would produce most of the framers) who had the best chance of framing.
I didnt mind the large section, smaller sections may be fairer though.

I think the placing of anglers works personally. It depends how much you want to put into trying to win the final. I know the winning S yorks team put some practice in and as a result walked away 10k richer. If you are realistic if you dont practice you arent ever going to win an event such as the county champs. In our team we had no knowledge of packington at all so once we sorted out who was going where the 3 anglers who fished packington went up and had a practice on the lakes they were to fish. Myself and Phil were away prior to the final so we just turned up and fished Barston as that was a venue we knew and the others didnt. I think the secret is to work as a team as opposed to 5 individuals. Before the final i actually thought the county champs would be better if it was an individual match but after fishing and experiencing it i now believe a team match is a far better option.

personally id like to see maybe a north/south qualifer making the final smaller to give a bit more space on the final an make the fishing slighty better. placing anglers i think is a good idea so u know what to take otherwise ur will need alot of gear to cover 2 seperate venues. id like to see the final on tunnel barn or larford too both of which are central and offer lots of bites but thats just my opinion. i like barston but the fishing was slow (mainly due to the 1st overnight frost) an bein a final i just think 100 anglers on say tunnel or larford would see anglers averaging possibly 25-30lb a man an would make for a cracking final. superb idea an well run event thou

To be fair, I didn’t fish it and I am unlikely to this year either – unfortunately. But have to agree that the more you practice the more likely you are to win. I also agree that the more you put into it the more you deserve to get out. That said I have never agreed with the placing anglers. ‘The Draw’ is a very important part of match fishing and removing an element of chance takes some of that away.

Changing the subject a little. The match has gone down well with most anglers but a number of the county matches had limited fields turning up to the qualifiers. Instead of the required 20 anglers I heard tales of 15 and 12 in counties near to me. Surely this is something that should be sorted out for next year.

As suggested above, perhaps a proper registration is required where anglers have to register all their details, full name, team/sponsor, and county. They could then be given a number by the A Times and instead of the regional co-ordinators having to take that detail over the phone, he could just be given an A Times number. That should solve some of the problems we had with people having their names spread over different counties and mis-spellings! It would also prevent a number of anglers being included in the points tables who said right from the very start that they were not interested in the competition.

I have lots of points.

Placing anglers was my idea so they could travel and practice, but very few practised, so i would scrap that. Yorkshire won, Northampton 2nd, the Ringer bros were both on Barston for 2 x 2nds, but one of the Yorks lads who knows Barston well blew out, so no advantage there!

Barston and Packington are mile away from the centre of England statue, and Barston can accommodate the 240 pegs draw.

As for the qualifiers, i think a 50 pegger would be better, and 5 sections of 10, and each section winner going though.

As for the idea of representing your country, its a fantastic idea, and a fantastic honour to represent your county.

The event was moved back a day so it didn’t clash with the Parkdean final.

Next year it is on the 2nd of October, so its moved forward 3 weeks, and will create better fishing, it also proposed that there will be an individual on the Saturday the 1st, for each county champions to fish a champion of champions match.

All in all, a fantastic competition, well done to Mark, Richard and of course you Abi, as well as the lady who collated all the 7000 names and points every week, well done.

Also, after reading Steves post, the other 3 anglers in his team had the privilege of fishing with the Ringer bros, representing there county and after coming second, must have been very proud of there results.

Will Raison also fished, and it gives everyone a chance of getting there, and fishing in a team with some of the best anglers, and the way team fishing works, your average ‘good’ anglers, will never get to fish with them as they wil never get to fish for the likes of Dorking or England!

Carpmagic said – Some good points. One comment i would make is how would you sort out only counting one result from a weekend? I dont see how that is workable? Or if you frame on a sat and sun do you just count the sat result? I understand why people would like just one result to count but dont see how its workable.

Steve, its very simple. The highest points scored counts if you manage to score points on both Sat and Sun in the same weekend. The Premier league at Cudmore was worked like this for several seasons and worked very well for that venues regulars. There where over 200 anglers in those leagues! What it did was reduce the advantage for those anglers who where able to fish on both Sat and Sun. Those able to fish on both days still had an advantage in that they had 2 chances to score point but could not pick up two lots of points for the same weekend. It made the Cudmore Premier league competitive and allowed those anglers who could only fish 1 weekend match per weekend competitive in that league.

Carpmagic then said – I think the placing of anglers works personally. It depends how much you want to put into trying to win the final. I know the winning S yorks team put some practice in and as a result walked away 10k richer. If you are realistic if you dont practice you arent ever going to win an event such as the county champs. In our team we had no knowledge of packington at all so once we sorted out who was going where the 3 anglers who fished packington went up and had a practice on the lakes they were to fish. Myself and Phil were away prior to the final so we just turned up and fished Barston as that was a venue we knew and the others didnt. I think the secret is to work as a team as opposed to 5 individuals. Before the final i actually thought the county champs would be better if it was an individual match but after fishing and experiencing it i now believe a team match is a far better option.

I think you have just proved my point, Steve. You and Phil both know Barston and so elected to fish on that venue. You have had some great personal results on Barston this season. However, if it was a random draw. You and Phil could easily have been drawn on Packington and might have struggled instead of your 2 second in section results. You and Phil are very local to the venues when compared to many of the anglers in counties up North and down South!

Andy85 said – placing anglers i think is a good idea so u know what to take otherwise ur will need alot of gear to cover 2 seperate venues.

Andy, its only a case of swapping the bait between the other anglers in your team to cover the 5 sections. If you draw on a different lake than the lake you had prepared the bait for. Swap bait, simple! Its not difficult to throw a rod in your car just in case you draw a rod and line section. Also, make a rig or two on the bank if your not covered for every eventuality. Those who qualify for the final are supposed to be the cream of match anglers in each county after all!

can i suggest something here ?……as for who knows who is in which county,especially having `west mids`,which is not strictly a county,why not divide the country in to post code areas,then when a result is presented to AT, the name & post code is submitted…bingo! .what i didn`t say in my last post was,how well i thought the actual final went..very well run..thanks!

Counting One match result per week would be fairer you would still get the same consistent anglers on top.

I read next year it will take place on Sunday the 2nd of October. This date will stop a good number of anglers who also fish the Angling Times Winter League. Could this not be moved forward a week or two as the winter league cannot start til October as per angling times rules…?

I have given this one match per weekend suggestion some thought, and although i am not totaly against the idea. I think the admin would be nigh on impossible to cope with. Every single angler would need their points checking for the highest points scored over a weekend or bank holiday weekend, and then their running total would be accumulated from them. In essence every angler would need checking before points were awarded.
7000+ anglers, now thats an awfull lot checking, and it would make it very difficult if a mistake was made.

Abi,

Have you got a link for the full results?

Thanks

Make it more random, best weight overall = winning team and the top angler from each team gets a pay out.

Mark, can you not create a formula to do the calculation automatically in Excel (if this is what you are using)?
If this can be done its just a case of plugging in the points as you are now and let the program calculate everyones total taking their highest scoring point from the weekend.

Sawyer, if the results are done by computer which im sure they are. A simple change to the data base would do the work of adding only one points score per weekend. The higher points won if more than one points scoring result is inputted in the same weekend for said angler. Very simple and no extra work once the data base is asked to only take the higher points score for each weekend!

I would like to see all points earned counting but even if only the ‘highest’ points over the weekend count, it still gives those who fish twice a distinct advantage doesn’t it? It won’t level the playing field.

If it ain’t broke etc.

Richard, exactly what i was thinking. Those that fish twice will stil have an advantage as they have double the attempts at scoring points.

As for the placing, we got together as a team and talked about who was best doing what. It was felt that myself and Phil were the two best feeder anglers so the feeling in the team was that we went Barston. Adam Rooney could also chuck and with some big chucks on Big Gearys he went there. Nigel Baxter said he wanted to fish Molands and John Price said he wasnt fussed. As i said splitting the money also meant everyone wanted the anglers in the right sections. If you werent splitting then it would be unfair as everyone would have wanted to go to Barston, because we approached it as a team we didnt have this problem. Anyway although we came second and there was nothing for second i still thought it was a great event and ran superbly well on the day.

Yes they would but not as much as double scoring every weekend. Fishing is never going to be completly fair, they are wild(ish) animals and all that but I would like to see it made as fair as possible.

Waveney One, it is broke and thats the point. At the moment anglers who can match fish regularly on both Sat and Sun get twice the chance to pick up points and does give an advantage over anglers who can only match fish once per weekend. That is an excepted advantage that cannot be changed. Rewarding effort if you want. To be able to score two lots of points in the same weekend(as it is at the moment)only gives even more of an advantage to those who are lucky enough to be able to match fish on both weekend days. Nice if you can match fish regularly on Sat and Sun but it takes all credibility away from the competition in my honest opinion. Its a fun competition to find the top anglers in each County. Then, a big money final to find the top County. Im also sure it was set up to create a little extra interest in match fishing but it will help to sell a few extra copies of Angling Times if only to check individual points scores from time to time. At the moment the competition is set up for only those anglers who can fish on both Sat and Sun. Very few anglers will qualify for a County semi final unless they can match fish regularly on both Sat and Sun. A few rule changes would give more anglers a reasonable chance of qualifying and im sure sell a few more copies of Angling Times in the process!

Steve(Carpmagic), i dont think you need an unfair advantages to qualify. So, im surprised that you dont want the competition as competitive and as fair as is possible for all. The rule changes im suggesting would make the competition fairer than it is at the moment!

So the final for next year is on october 2nd.
This means anglers who fish Angling Times winter leagues will once again not bother as nearly all the winter leagues start on that date.
Abi, Mark – both of these are AT run competitions surely it must be possible for them not to clash~think

Most of our team qualified to fish the Oxford semi but did not bother as the aemi clashed with 1st the Thames champs but then it was moved and clashed with the practice match for the winter league and anyway the final clashed with a winter league. What are we meant to do?
team fishing is in a bad enough state without this type of complication.
Perhaps having the semi’s and final on saturdays so that it does not clash with either summer or winter leagues, which are the life blood of non-commercial match fishing, might be the way to go.

i get to fish most sat an sundays but i do agree wit (t/b an benson the giant) that one match counting bein better for fairness but if its gonna be a nightmare for the organisers then u have to understand that thats alot of extra work involved for a voulentry run event, if it can be done using excel thou then i think that would be the best way to keep it fair even thou anglers like myself would still have a big advantage as u have 2 cracks at the cherry. also i think jwb has a good point in that moving it to a sat could be the answer if its clashing with major winter league round etc. also i know barston is perfect for the final as the draw can be done smoothly etc but what about having the final in the north one year, one in the south, one in the midlands like the kamasan final is done just for a bit of variety as if the final is on barston every year what chance of winning have say the scottish division who cant practise an have just got to rely on good draws then make the most of them, just a thought.

Trueblue, whatever you do someone will always say it isnt fair. Its a fact of life that you cant please everyone. Whatever AT decide to do someone wont like it. On a personal level i thought that the whole competition this year was very good. Yes there were teething problems and i suffered from results not getting reported that i wrongly assumed had been. Going back to the placing anglers, for me it makes sense and also saves money as with Packington and Barston being so different i dont have to bring bait i wont need to cater for every scenario. For me the county champs is a team event, its not about the individual which you seem to think it is. Its all about the team working together to give themselves the best chance of winning on the day. This is what S yorks did and they certainly werent a local team to either venue.

It was a great event an if left the same it will be a great event next year, we are just offering suggestions to make small improvements.
Yes once the team is formed the point is to work together but before that the point is to give people the opportunity to represent their county, these suggestions are just ways to give more people a decent crack at achieving that goal and from AT’s point of view that can only be good for sales.
Andy, if you are at Partridge tom ill have you for that giant comment you hobbit.

well u are 7ft benno ur a giant to me m8 lol

i fished the final at barston i traveled from west yorks and practised at barston did well then fished the final won mini section came 3rd in sect and 5th over all

even tho i practiced what i learned went thru the window due to the heavy frost night before

i agree with nigel went brill and thier should be a county champ finnal on the sat then team on sunday

but can they bring finnal a month early due to the weather change.placing people iagree as people in the county live miles apart so hard to get team together for a practise

and counting points if you fish sat sun how does AT choose what points to count it went so well this year as my Dad used to say why try to fix somthing that is not broken IE went well this year so why alter it

well done to Richard and the AT team for a well run event

Some people can fish twice one weekend and not at all on another. Some can only do Saturdays rather than Sundays thereby fishing smaller fields and getting lower points. All unfair I agree.

I don’t know how many weekends there are between the start of the next competition and whenever the end of the qualifiers is but perhaps the fairest way would be to take that number of weekends and say that is the maximum number of scoring points that anyone can earn. So if there are 30 weeks then some may have ‘earned’ 50 different lots of points, restrict them to their best 30 perhaps?

It is very difficult to organise and run and like most things that people do is open to criticism from others, a lot of whom don’t do much other than turn up for matches. I only know personally one angler that fished the final at Barston and despite the distance involved I know that he is very keen to get back there again this coming year. That and from what Steve Ringer has written about it is enough for me to assume that it is well worth qualifying for the county team.

Well done to the A Times and whatever they come up with for next year will no doubt have its critics but it is their competition and you don’t have to participate in it even if you qualify for the semi’s.

Steve(Carpmagic), im not suggesting that it can ever be totally fair to all anglers. Nothing ever is in our sport. However, more fair and equal is much better than totally unfair as it stands at the moment.

I,ve already pointed out in another post that as its a team event. Working as a team with things like bait solves the issue of expense. If you draw a blood worm and joker venue. You take the team blood worm and joker and give Phil the pellets if he is on the pellet venue.

Might be interesting to see if you would change your mind if the final was changed to several venues in Scotland or even on Merseyside. A random draw would benefit you in that situation as the draw would give your team more chance against the local teams who potentially have venue experts! You have a great record on Barston. Maybe not a venue expert but you are not fare off, mate. So, it suits you to have choice of sections for very selfish reasons. Maybe moving the final around the country is the answer if teams are allowed to carry on placing anglers in selected sections!

Steve, i have fished all over the country on plenty of occasions and to be fair there arent that many venues i havent fished. If the final was moved that would be fine by me, if i didnt know the venue i would just put the time in to make sure i did. I guess it all comes down to how seriously you decide to take the competition. I want to win every match i fish and therefore treat each accordingly.

I have to agree I am sick of seeing the same venues used repeatedly. Let’s have some finals up north, lets have more finals on natural venues.

trueblue… be assured CC is not broken. Abi just asked for opinions on how…….. if any we could improve it.
RE:Results yes they are already on spread sheets, but same names all sorts of problems have cuased aggro, highest points per weekend will need looking into. But like Steve said, if you fish both days you still have more chance of scoring higher points than someone who fishes only one day. Plus, remember you only need to make the top twenty in your county to make the county final team.

You cant have the final in Merseyside….the lake would get nicked!!

That explains why there are very few commercial match venues on Merseyside, Baitchef, lol.

Since south Yorkshire won it have it at south York
Lindolme lakes could accommodate the whole match
Simple

Since south Yorkshire won it have it at south York
Lindolme lakes could accommodate the whole match
Simple Or woodlands and the oaks combined could accommodate
It as well in north Yorkshire

@Beanpole wrote:

Since south Yorkshire won it have it at south York
Lindolme lakes could accommodate the whole match
Simple Or woodlands and the oaks combined could accommodate
It as well in north Yorkshire

The guys that win through to the final do need to catch some fish without freezing their whatsits off though! Keep it in the Midlands.~clap

it would be good if the qulifiying rounds didnt clash with summer lge as me and 4 of my team had to make a choice and we choose to fish for the team much to are dissapointment

@sawyer wrote:

trueblue… be assured CC is not broken. Abi just asked for opinions on how…….. if any we could improve it.
RE:Results yes they are already on spread sheets, but same names all sorts of problems have cuased aggro, highest points per weekend will need looking into. But like Steve said, if you fish both days you still have more chance of scoring higher points than someone who fishes only one day. Plus, remember you only need to make the top twenty in your county to make the county final team.

Someone might still get more chance of scoring higher points by fishing both days at weekend, but they get even better chance of winning if they actually get both weekend points!!! surely by just allowing highest score of weekend makes it not totally fair but a little fairer than before??

Are we currantly scoring points in the CC? I thought it was in print that point scoring would start on the W/end after the final and have seen nothing to the contrary.