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    • #43328

      Professor

        It’s been a while since I have graced this forum with my presence. A year or two perhaps? I’m sure I have not missed anything of interest.

        However, I am outraged. This week, Islington council announced that it would fine its residents for failing to recycle properly. The council will apparently go through one’s rubbish and fine you £110.00 if they find any item in your bin bags that could be recycled.

        Have you ever heard such nonsense? It just about sums this country up.

        If I went shoplifting, I would be fined a mere £80! Great to see where our society’s priorities lie.
        Moreover, I shouldn’t even have to recycle in the first place. I am not a bin man. I have not dedicated my life to education, only to have to sift through rubbish when I get home from the lecture hall.

        I am currently doing some research on this matter and would welcome your views on this matter. I feel that the members of this forum are well placed to comment on the following:

        1. How did you feel when you were caught shoplifting? Do you consider this to be a greater crime than failing to recycle properly?

        2. Assuming that many of you, your family or friends are dustman, do you think councils are placing unreasonable demands on residents to sift through their own rubbish of an evening.

        If you could keep your responses brief and to the point, that would be appreciated.

        Kind regards,

        The Professor

        The University of Life

      • #123936

        lenny the lifter

          When I got dun first off i fort king ell what now, at least if I can see me dad when they lock me up. anywya i only got a fine, 50 quid and i was clean away with fousands over the weeks.

          i fink that not sorting your rubbish is a serious crime – my teacher at skool is a liberal/green and she says that it is all thatchers fault and wales is dying becoz of er. non sorters are the scum of the erth and should be shot.

          my uncel was on the bins and he said there was reel gud pickings then thatcher got in power and it was all rubbish after that.

          i fink that it as all to difikult to think about realy. fink i will stay in bed until the snaw clears bout april time. i blame thatcher for global warming, the freezing temperature, the failure of the new labour and the euro and of course the banking crisis.

        • #123938

          TK red

            Well Professor,I feel we should be encouraging more recycling.
            I currently have 7 different coloured bins,i only know what 3
            are for!(& i’m a bin man),but i feel if i had the threat of a
            £110 fine hanging over me,ide very quickly learn,as it’s well over half of my £250 pw wage.

          • #123945

            TF_herbie

              i have decided to put my rubbish in other peoples bins~shh ~shh ~shh i loved it when the posh git next door was fined for having a bicycle in his bin~naughty ~naughty ~naughty funny the council would not take into account it wasnt his because he has no legs and cant ride a bike. he had his manservant put a lock on his bin now.~sick ~sick

            • #123949

              TF_Hillbilly

                I agree with Prof, when the council pay me a monthly fee to sort the rubbish I will do so. It all goes in the same hole anyway so why bother. This is just another tax and we could even see councils “planting” items in bins to raise easy revenue with the householder being the scapegoat. Maybe fly tipping will be the answer for most.

              • #123956

                TF_redarmy

                  what bike was it herbie a pennyfarthing

                • #123957

                  TF_orexina

                    I agree with the Prof as well. As Hillbilly says you are not recycling for the council but some company that the council deals with.
                    They want the cleanest, best sorted rubbish. They would have to employ somebody to do the job you are doing.

                    Are you telling me that an orange peel in a wrong bin is going to end the world, because this is how they sell it to us.
                    We are all going to die of floods or heat stroke because YOU put a crisp wrapper in the wrong bin.

                  • #123958

                    TF_ubat

                      Hate cycles, not get me recycling

                    • #123970

                      TF_Fred Davis

                        I bet those lads that refuse to recycle are the same chaps that leave line on the bank discard hooks line & shots, dot there fag ends on the floor or flick them in the water, arsewipes in my opinion ~naughty

                      • #123973

                        TF_JohnH

                          Spot on Fred I agree. Our local council have just told me that I cannot put green rubbish in my green bin but they will come and collect it every other week if I place clean card board in it only.
                          Imagine a full bin collection service for card board only, has the world gone bonkers?
                          I cannot put paper in it either only CLEAN CARD BOARD.

                        • #123975

                          TF_Gavin

                            Nobody’s asking anyone to sift through their own rubbish, just simply to put it in the right bin!

                          • #123980

                            Anonymous

                              @GavinG wrote:

                              Nobody’s asking anyone to sift through their own rubbish, just simply to put it in the right bin!

                              How hard could it be? ~think

                            • #123981

                              TF_jon

                                Not all your recycling gets recycled! fact! im in the position to know this first hand, some glass gets buried, only certain places will take card mixed with greenery so when these depots are full it goes to land fill,theres no money in plastic’s so only a % gets recycled to keep the figures up, the moneys in paper at the moment at £250 a tonne, and like some one else pointed out…. your being made to sort it out for them to sell, quality that, the government stick an annual target on local councils to meet but the figures are just fabricated like every thing else and its us that suffer.

                              • #123982

                                TF_jon

                                  forgot to add yes, we recycle its easy!

                                • #124042

                                  TF_dirkdiggler

                                    there was a programme on tv a couple of years ago now where a chap labelled all his rubbish and followed it round the world.
                                    turns out it all went in the same dump in mumbai.
                                    i now have 4 different bins,and four different bin trucks plus staff to take them away.

                                    yet another reason why this once great country stands on the brink ~think

                                  • #124044

                                    two shakes

                                      A few facts……councils are under more and more pressure to enforce recycling,and reduce landfill.Targets are set by the EU and then in turn by our own government.
                                      Clean paper and card is taken to paper recycling companies and most is made into packaging for white goods,5 years ago councils were paid about £75 a Ton,the price now is about £4 a ton.
                                      Garden waste is composted,some councils do this work in house,others have to use composting companies,these will charge between £15 and £20 a ton for uncontaminated compostable waste,this is then composted and sold back to councils as “community” compost.
                                      Plastics are graded differently,some can be mixed,others must be seperated before being recycled,the costs of collecting and grading plastics far outweighs the value of the plastic.
                                      etc etc etc
                                      Most recycling centres have limits for contamination,sometimes as low as 0.05%,and frequent checks are carried out.if these limits are exceeded,councils will be fined.
                                      When you look at a breakdown of your council tax,you will find that the amount paid for having your household waste and recyclable waste taken away is very very little,my own council charges 63p a week,this is for a weekly household waste collection,and a fortnightly co’mingle and garden waste collection.The collection service runs for 51 weeks a year,and the crews work bloody hard,working in all weathers,walking anything up to 15 miles a day,and collecting between 20 and 40 tons of household and/or recyclable waste per crew per day !!! Now i think thats good value for money,and i certainly dont mind seperating my waste (must take me at least 10 minutes a week)
                                      Me,i think its great value for money.But then i would,cos its my job.

                                    • #124174

                                      Professor

                                        10 minutes a week may not sound like a lot to some, but to me this is considerable.

                                        This equates to 8.5 hours of recycling a year. This is 21 days of my time on this earth sorting out rubbish. Outrageous, particularly when it is dustmen who should be doing this for me.

                                        Dustmen these days can’t even put the recycling bins in a nice straight line after they have emptied them. I often find mine strewn all over the place.

                                      • #124177

                                        two shakes

                                          @Professor wrote:

                                          10 minutes a week may not sound like a lot to some, but to me this is considerable.

                                          This equates to 8.5 hours of recycling a year. This is 21 days of my time on this earth sorting out rubbish. Outrageous, particularly when it is dustmen who should be doing this for me.

                                          Dustmen these days can’t even put the recycling bins in a nice straight line after they have emptied them. I often find mine strewn all over the place.

                                          Why not do yourself and your local council a favour then,tell them to refund your “waste charge” and take your own rubbish to your local waste to energy plant,or landfill site.While your in the queue waiting considerably longer than 10 minutes in order to dump your waste,you can think up another nonsense thread.

                                        • #124186

                                          Professor

                                            Good idea. I might hire my own private bin man to do this for me.

                                            In your experience, do council house tenants produce more rubbish that private home owners?

                                          • #124196

                                            dave w
                                            Participant

                                              Professor F**k off you boring B*****d

                                            • #124208

                                              TK red

                                                Mass murderers,who often dispose of body parts
                                                in wheelie bins,will think twice now,esp in Islington.Brown bin/green bin/red bin/black bin?????,get it wrong with a body part & they face being found out & having to pay a hefty £110 fine.

                                              • #124212

                                                jonb

                                                  Id just chuck the body parts on the compost heap at the bottom of my garden and wait for them quality maggots to appear!!

                                                • #124214

                                                  TF_wiggley worm

                                                    if this is all you have to say after 2 years then you are one boring sad git hope not hear from you for another 2 / 20 years

                                                  • #124219

                                                    TF_Hillbilly

                                                      @Fred Davis wrote:

                                                      I bet those lads that refuse to recycle are the same chaps that leave line on the bank discard hooks line & shots, dot there fag ends on the floor or flick them in the water, arsewipes in my opinion ~naughty

                                                      Not true Fred. I for one constantly find myself picking up and bringing home other folks discarded rubbish etc from fisheries but having done so I am not going to sort it into little piles for the various bins only to find that the whole dammed lot is often just tipped into the same landfill hole anyway. I dont have room in my kitchen for the various small bins required to sort the rubbish into so each item of rubbish would mean a trip outside to the relevant large bin.~naughty

                                                    • #124228

                                                      TF_MarkT

                                                        @Fred Davis wrote:

                                                        I bet those lads that refuse to recycle are the same chaps that leave line on the bank discard hooks line & shots, dot there fag ends on the floor or flick them in the water, arsewipes in my opinion ~naughty

                                                        I’ve read some shite on this forum but thats possibley the worst i’ve ever read, ARSEWIPE!!!

                                                      • #124231

                                                        TF_herbie

                                                          afraid you,ve missed the point. its the fine thats the problem. say you put out your bin on the alloted day and i walk past eating chips. having finished, not wanting to litter this green and pleasant land ( and as the council cannot have litter bins cos there not recycled properly and they,d have to fine themselves, plus they cannot afford to employ someone to empty them! cuts you know.)put the chip paper and polystyene plate in your bin. along comes the bin policeman, ello ello wot ave we yer. and fines you (who did not put the offending material in the bin)£110. so wot do you do??????? wasnt me guv ~naughty i didnt do it~naughty course you didnt sir, now how would you like to pay. do you
                                                          A. put a camera on your bin.
                                                          B. dont put out the bins till you can see the binmans eyes.
                                                          C. pay the fine and be extra nice to everyone you know so they dont stitch you up.
                                                          D. put your rubbish in someone else,s bin.

                                                          kinda frightening is it not all these money making fines. oh by the way poor people wont have to pay cos the government wont up there benifits to cover the extra

                                                        • #124237

                                                          TF_caster rob
                                                          Participant

                                                            “kinda frightening is it not all these money making fines.”

                                                            Which the previous Labour crew introduced, along with the “bin policemen” under anti-terror legislation.

                                                            “oh by the way poor people wont have to pay cos the government wont up there benifits to cover the extra”

                                                            Good.

                                                            Apologies if I’ve missed the gist of your comment but I prefer to communicate in English.

                                                          • #124239

                                                            Professor

                                                              A point well made Herbie.

                                                              The likes of Wiggley Worm and Fred fail to realise the importance of this change in policy; it makes the failure to recycle a punishable offence.

                                                              And if you refuse to pay? Increasing fines, visits from bailiff’s and ultimately incarceration?

                                                              Whilst I am sure many on this site are used to spending time in prison, this is not something that I would appreciate if I accidently place my used Dom Perignon bottle in with my Waitrose avocado skins.

                                                            • #124240

                                                              TF_GLEBE1

                                                                @Professor wrote:

                                                                Whilst I am sure many on this site are used to spending time in prison, this is not something that I would appreciate if I accidently place my used Dom Perignon bottle in with my Waitrose avocado skins.

                                                                PMSL~clap ~clap ~clap

                                                              • #124250

                                                                TF_herbie

                                                                  @caster rob wrote:

                                                                  “kinda frightening is it not all these money making fines.”

                                                                  Which the previous Labour crew introduced, along with the “bin policemen” under anti-terror legislation.

                                                                  “oh by the way poor people wont have to pay cos the government wont up there benifits to cover the extra”

                                                                  Good.

                                                                  Apologies if I’ve missed the gist of your comment but I prefer to communicate in English.

                                                                  its called humour tory boy. something you lack with your grammer school ruler wedged firmly up your thatcherite backside.

                                                                • #124254

                                                                  TF_caster rob
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    We didn’t study humour at Grammar.

                                                                    I’m sure it won’t be a problem for you to explain why your post is so funny.

                                                                    As an aside:

                                                                    Why would the council install litter-bins in the knowledge that they couldn’t afford to maintain them?

                                                                    Is it a socialist victim-hood syndrome?

                                                                  • #124258

                                                                    Andy G
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      Isn’t the north one giant landfill site?

                                                                    • #124260

                                                                      TF_Fred Davis

                                                                        The likes of Wiggley Worm and Fred fail to realise the importance of this change in policy; it makes the failure to recycle a punishable offe

                                                                        I don’t think I failed to realise any point,I also think it’s rather rude of the proffessor to presume what I think! who the fcuk is this arsewipe? I personally think it’s a great idea to recycle if it helps in any little way to make a better planet for my kids to live in, I am not interested whether the local council charges fines for those who don’t recycle, thats up to the council, if you don’t want to then so be it thats your choice the fact I may think your an arse wipe is mine :o)

                                                                        Good hear in it Herbie lol

                                                                      • #124261

                                                                        TF_redarmy

                                                                          dont forget to put that carrot in the right bin gooner boy lol

                                                                        • #124271

                                                                          Professor

                                                                            Andy G is correct that the North of England does seem to contain a higher concentration of rubbish. This is largely because the general population in this part of England gorge themselves on junk food and leave it strewn all over the streets.

                                                                            I had the misfortune of travelling through Bolton once. It was almost as disgusting as Newcastle, Leeds and Sheffield.

                                                                            There are more fried chicken shops than people with degrees and the streets make Medieval England look like my local BUPA health clinic.

                                                                            Fred, you clearly have a fascination with wiping either your own arse or indeed mine. I would wager that my own is not only considerably cleaner, but that it has been subjected to far less abuse than yours over the years.

                                                                            With best wishes,

                                                                            The Professor

                                                                          • #124273

                                                                            TF_NW Cut Angler

                                                                              I thought by reputation you were supposed to be humorous and entertaining professor. This thread suggests otherwise. Pointless and benile.

                                                                            • #124274

                                                                              TF_Hillbilly

                                                                                Fred, it is obvious that you are a fine law abiding and upstanding gent who is doing his best to abide by the recycling code. However please remember that should you at any time have the misfortune to inadvertently place an item of rubbish in the wrong receptacle then the bin police will not take your previously impeccable recycling record into account when they are writing out your fine ticket. ~hand ~sick ~think

                                                                              • #124276

                                                                                Professor

                                                                                  And I believe the finest place in Wigan to dine out is the Asda cafe.

                                                                                • #124280

                                                                                  TF_MICK THE BOOKIE

                                                                                    You wont believe it,but i have just been nicked for putting the “wrong” rubbish in the “right” bin.
                                                                                    How is it my bloody fault if illegal immigrants decided to live in my “food waste bin?”…….The court totally ignored my mitigation that i was only charging £500 per week full board.~naughty ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty

                                                                                  • #124281

                                                                                    TF_NW Cut Angler

                                                                                      @Professor wrote:

                                                                                      And I believe the finest place in Wigan to dine out is the Asda cafe.

                                                                                      Only for people of a certain ilk ~shh

                                                                                    • #124283

                                                                                      TF_Fred Davis

                                                                                        Neil I take your point however when They realise that I for one won’t pay the fine they will have to lock me up mate at least then I’ll
                                                                                        have bed and breakfast, sky tv and some free sports facilities table tennis etc at Her Majesty’s pleasure, as for the proffessor he;s obviously a gay jeolous type who posts inane and benial drivel, still whatever turns you on mate, I know what you posh types are like all behind closed doors nod nod wink wink

                                                                                      • #124285

                                                                                        TF_wagglerwilf

                                                                                          At least in this weather you can come on here to see a few wrap-rounds… welcome back Prof..

                                                                                        • #124291

                                                                                          Professor

                                                                                            It’s ‘banal.’

                                                                                            Frederick, I’m not surprised you’d rather live in prison than Enfield; an area that is devoid of culture and has offered precisely nothing to the City of London except produce more failing schools than any other London Borough.

                                                                                          • #124294

                                                                                            TF_bigoldbigbutt
                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                              .The collection service runs for 51 weeks a year,and the crews work bloody hard,working in all weathers,.

                                                                                              Better tell the crews round my way then. the milkman can still deliver in these poor weather conditions but we aint seen the binmen. work shy council employees , where as the milkman is self employed and wont get paid if he fails to deliver.

                                                                                            • #124299

                                                                                              TF_Fred Davis

                                                                                                Proffessor don’t be a complete prat I live in enfield I was not educated in enfield, again you are presuming you know me! you don’t, nor do I wish to know you, obviously educated at the university of life and it rather shows,

                                                                                                anyway keep the good work up as it does make me smile as do most buffoons

                                                                                              • #124306

                                                                                                TF_herbie

                                                                                                  tory boy i would never waste my time trying to explain anything to you. i tend to spend my time just slagging you off . its much more fun you being a total prat and all.

                                                                                                  nice one prof . fred calm down

                                                                                                • #124307

                                                                                                  TF_Johnny Mac

                                                                                                    Good to see the Prof back getting loads of bites, lol 🙂

                                                                                                  • #124308

                                                                                                    TF_Dodge

                                                                                                      @herbie wrote:

                                                                                                      tory boy i would never waste my time trying to explain anything to you. i tend to spend my time just slagging you off . its much more fun you being a total prat and all.

                                                                                                      nice one prof . fred calm down

                                                                                                      Absolutely herbs ~clap ~clap ~clap

                                                                                                      The bloke is such a prat its hilarious !

                                                                                                      Pardon my spelling btw ~sick

                                                                                                    • #124311

                                                                                                      TF_caster rob
                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                        Yes that’s right, such a prat that I’m able to substantiate my opinions with facts and data, whilst the limit of your capability is to trot out tired jibes and insults.

                                                                                                        Much easier than addressing a point though, isn’t it?

                                                                                                        You must be really proud of yourself.

                                                                                                      • #124324

                                                                                                        TF_Fred Davis

                                                                                                          Ok herbie point taken lol

                                                                                                        • #124334

                                                                                                          Professor

                                                                                                            Yes Frederick, calm down. I wasn’t suggesting that you were educated in Enfield (although wherever you were educated I’d ask for your money back).

                                                                                                          • #124360

                                                                                                            TF_proper tidal boy

                                                                                                              so proff where is it you actually abide ,so as i can check how good your local authority is at recycling .If its anything like mine where recycling concerned ,RUBBISH is higher on the agenda than grittng the roads and paths quite sad when you compare the two .ps calm down fred its only EDUCATION LOL

                                                                                                            • #124377

                                                                                                              TF_caster rob
                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                Quite reassuring to realise that we’re not the only nation with pompous dictatorial power-crazed council jobsworths:

                                                                                                                http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/sunday-heraldsun/sick-of-council-bureaucracy/story-e6frf92f-1225965654863

                                                                                                                They pretend they’re captains of industry in their parallel universe.

                                                                                                              • #124381

                                                                                                                TF_slippery

                                                                                                                  I still think that if the Professor,Gazza and the Chuckle brothers had gone to Zurich,we would have got the 2018 world cup.

                                                                                                                • #124382

                                                                                                                  TF_Chavender
                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                    @Professor wrote:

                                                                                                                    It’s been a while since I have graced this forum with my presence. A year or two perhaps? I’m sure I have not missed anything of interest.

                                                                                                                    However, I am outraged. This week, Islington council announced that it would fine its residents for failing to recycle properly. The council will apparently go through one’s rubbish and fine you £110.00 if they find any item in your bin bags that could be recycled.

                                                                                                                    Have you ever heard such nonsense? It just about sums this country up.

                                                                                                                    If I went shoplifting, I would be fined a mere £80! Great to see where our society’s priorities lie.
                                                                                                                    Moreover, I shouldn’t even have to recycle in the first place. I am not a bin man. I have not dedicated my life to education, only to have to sift through rubbish when I get home from the lecture hall.

                                                                                                                    I am currently doing some research on this matter and would welcome your views on this matter. I feel that the members of this forum are well placed to comment on the following:

                                                                                                                    1. How did you feel when you were caught shoplifting? Do you consider this to be a greater crime than failing to recycle properly?

                                                                                                                    2. Assuming that many of you, your family or friends are dustman, do you think councils are placing unreasonable demands on residents to sift through their own rubbish of an evening.

                                                                                                                    If you could keep your responses brief and to the point, that would be appreciated.

                                                                                                                    Kind regards,

                                                                                                                    The Professor

                                                                                                                    The University of Life

                                                                                                                    its all about the money !

                                                                                                                    you pay your council tax ,this pays for the rubbish too be taken away on your behalf ,so you don’t have to chuck it into the gutter ,like in the good old victorian days

                                                                                                                    you then out of the goodness of your heart donate all your recyclable goods which is duly sold by the council

                                                                                                                    you put your own property into your own bin (which you pay the council too dispose of on your behalf via your council tax) which happens too be a recyclible item (there by robbing the council of your gift of free money making material) so they fine you for the privilege!

                                                                                                                    well the council have too make up the budget deficit somehow ,and the money has too come from someware too pay for the majors perks and councillers junkets and expenses claims

                                                                                                                  • #124383

                                                                                                                    two shakes

                                                                                                                      @caster rob wrote:

                                                                                                                      Quite reassuring to realise that we’re not the only nation with pompous dictatorial power-crazed council jobsworths:

                                                                                                                      http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/sunday-heraldsun/sick-of-council-bureaucracy/story-e6frf92f-1225965654863

                                                                                                                      They pretend they’re captains of industry in their parallel universe.

                                                                                                                      “Shock Horror” thats almost as bad as having a fishing forum infiltrated by some “self obsessed,self important,right wing,know it all” who has nothing remotely interesting to say. YAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

                                                                                                                    • #124544

                                                                                                                      TF_wightangler

                                                                                                                        nice to see you back Prof. and you make a good point- it seems that again the ‘victim’ or householder is being asked to pay the re-cycling element surcharge that the coalition has passed on from the uncessary and unwarranted excessive ‘packaging’ that gives appatrently ‘added value’ and therefore chargeable profit to the corporation product.

                                                                                                                      • #124685

                                                                                                                        TF_howsmicha

                                                                                                                          Just a little point i feel its worth making.
                                                                                                                          Has anyone reading this thread actually been fined or know of anyone who,has been fined for either not re-cycling or placing re-cycling material in the wrong receptacles?

                                                                                                                        • #124688

                                                                                                                          TF_Waveney One

                                                                                                                            I haven’t been fined but there was a day when they stuck a notice on the recycling bin saying it contained ‘foreign matter’ and they wouldn’t take it. This was about 3 years ago. There was a bit of packaging foam in it that someone must have picked up off the payment and put in the bin rather than leave it lying about! Either that or they did it themselves although I cannot imagine why they would. They could have just taken it out and left it by the bin and I would have put it in the other bin.

                                                                                                                            Still, at least it saved me a tenner as it was just before Christmas! I always wondered if they worked out why I they didn’t get a Christmas box that year.

                                                                                                                          • #124741

                                                                                                                            Andy G
                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                              Benial. What a great word. I think it means being boring and unoriginal whilst absolutely not recognising it.

                                                                                                                            • #124876

                                                                                                                              TF_caster rob
                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                @ twoshakes:

                                                                                                                                Sorry that you feel I’m an infiltrator, what with you being a member for a whole four months now.

                                                                                                                                Onwards and upwards:

                                                                                                                                ‘The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.’

                                                                                                                                Those councillors gorging on the public purse eh?

                                                                                                                              • #124893

                                                                                                                                TF_Fred Davis

                                                                                                                                  Caster rob I think it is rather unfair to twoshakes to mention that he has only been a member for two months, lets face it compared to me you have only been on the site a dogswatch! and make sure you carry a pooper scooper when you take that mutt out for a walk! Carry on recycling mate remember those that don’t are arsewipes and everyone knows who these individuals are. lol nice to see the prof trying to cover his ar*e with a reposte however the fact you were educated at the university of life says it all in my book! I no longer feel the need to respond to your uneducated jives~shh

                                                                                                                                • #124895

                                                                                                                                  TF_ubat

                                                                                                                                    If you can afford to live in Islington, you can afford the fines.

                                                                                                                                  • #124898

                                                                                                                                    TF_kingfisher

                                                                                                                                      Great to see you back Prof, hope I get as many bites this week-end! Keep up the good work.~clap

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