It’s the sort of justice Tony Blair signed us up to and just happened to provide loads of easy(public)money for his wife Lucretia and her Matrix Chambers outfit.

dont start me on this what about the poor father on the tele asking about his human bloody rights.what a total disgrace.the pr*ck is a convicted burgler to boot.and was banned from driving.i would like a quite corner with some of out of touch bloody so called judges.

@caster rob wrote:

It’s the sort of justice Tony Blair signed us up to and just happened to provide loads of easy(public)money for his wife Lucretia and her Matrix Chambers outfit.

I aint a expert on politics,but i do have a good memory.It was the Tories that objected to extending the time suspect terrorist’s can be held without being charged. Their excuse was Human Rights!

It was Europe that introduced the UK to Human Rights.
It was the Tories that took us into Europe
It was the Tories that signed up to Maastricht allowing thousands n thousands to come here from the EU and live & work.

The European Convention on Human Rights was incorporated into UK law by the Labour Government in 1998.

What have the Romans (substitute europeans) ever done for us.

I would get our country out of the EU tomorrow if I could. About time we had a vote on it !!

Where anybody is born should have nothing to do with having the same human rights as anybody else!

If someone breaks the law. Then, the law should deal with that person. No matter where they where born!

Once they have done the time/penalty for the crime. They are entitled and should expect the same human rights as any other human being within our society.

He was an illegal immigrant though mate. Nobody is against the idea of human rights but it seems as though it can be manipulated to suite and is all down to perception of the judge rather than black and White fact! (forgive the pun)~sick

He is still a human being, budnudd. I dont care where he is from or what he has done. Every individual should be entitled to the same human rights as one another. If he breaks the law. Then, the law should deal with him in the appropriate manner!

“Our” law has dealt with this arse-wipe in an appropriate matter.

Unfortunately it cannot be fully executed due to subservience to a foreign law.

People will have their own opinion as to the appropriateness of this, but I’d suggest those opinions are the reason we are denied the much-promised EU referendum.

The Conservatives said no last year to an EU referendum in this Parliament, Rob!

Yes, because it was too late by then as you’re obviously aware.

Wasn’t an election manifesto pledge like some people though.

I was going to add that I’m about to enjoy the Test highlights now, but some incredibly boring people are droning on in cliches about some inconsequential football.

Bugger.

Go to a foreign country, abide by their laws or sod off back home. What you ain’t told when they say they can’t go home is that they are criminals over there that’s why they are at risk

The reason why he is now being allowed to stay in this country is because he has children who where born and live in this country. If they chuck him out. It goes against his and his childrens human rights!

@TrueBlue wrote:

The reason why he is now being allowed to stay in this country is because he has children who where born and live in this country. If they chuck him out. It goes against his and his childrens human rights!

I’m sure we can have a whip round for the the air-fares of his dependents even if it (as likely) runs into double figures.

I think it’s imperative that they are all kept together.

I will chuck a few quid in Rob.

and you would except being removed for the country of your children,s birth place, Neil and Rob? I dont think so!

steve i agree with most of the things you say or discuss but im sorry on this you are way off the mark this peice of ___ should be removed from the uk asap .this countrys appeal system for foreign nationals convicted of serious crime is an absolute joke.we are the laughing stock of the western world

Steve it is HIM that needs to go it is then the choice of his family whether to stay here or go with him. Two issues not one – seemples

Senior Immigration Judges Lane and Taylor suggest that you are wrong, Neil!

He has to stay within the Law of the land or he like every other member of our society. Should be punished in accordance with the Law. Simples!

Trueblue, you quite clearly havent really given this topic that much thought! This t**t has run over a girl, killed her, been convicted or burglary, drug taking and just because of ‘human rights’ bullshit he can stay! I’m sorry but if that was your daughter or relative, would you still not feel like he should be sent back? By the sounds of your comments, you should be sat in government welcoming all,theiving,burgling,drug taking, murdering scumbags into the country!

I can see the argument TB is putting forward but I watched an interview with the father of the murdered child asking where are his human rights etc and that for me outweighs the rights of what is clearly a vile evil individual.

I haven’t looked at the information closely but you worry about a woman that becomes married to such a vile individual and starts breeding like a jack rabbit.

My solution would be if the lady concerned wants her young children to associate with such a vile individual and indeed should she still want to (again raising questions re her intelligence) then deport the entire family.

This creature is clearly a vile scumbag and I care far more for the rights of the innocent people who have suffered an incredible loss and potentially every other honest decent person / family in this country whatever their skin colour because clearly this scumbag is a danger to anybody / everybody.

“we might as well abandon our immigration policies and open our doors to every crook and scum bag that wants to enter! “

thought we already had!!!!!!!!!!!!

You need to look at this in two parts. Dont get the two mixed up!

Dont get me wrong. I feel extremely sorry for the father of the girl that was killed. There cannot be anything worse than losing one of your children. However, the child was not murdered. It was an accidental road death! It could happen to any driver on our roads if a child steps out in to the road without looking and your driving past. Think about it!

The driver left the seen of the accident on foot and was already banned from driving. That was his crime. He was wrong i know but that does not mean that he is a murderer! He was charged and give 4 months in prison for those crimes. He also has to live with the fact that he hit and killed a child for the rest of his life!

The reason why he is allowed to stay in this country is because he now has 2 children of his own who are British.

If he commits a crime. Then, the Law should deal with him in the same way as anybody else in our society. However, he should be allowed to stay in this country and help to raise his children. His children should also be allowed to know there father.

Enough of you would be critical of any man who does not support his children!

All the human rights act seems to do is look after criminals and make lawyers even more rich and obstinate than they are already. I put it to you that having lost all asylum appeals, the guy quite clearly was told that the only way he could stay in this country was to get a UK citizen pregnant. I do hope it wasn’t a lawyer who told him this. He now has the ‘human right’ to have a family life. However, the poor father of this girl, who was incredibly controlled and lucid on the radio earlier, has lost his right to a family life because of this man. The father can’t have any more children for medical reasons. The law is an ass, pure and simple. Also exactly what sort of father is this man going to be. He’s hardly a roll model is he? There must be an argument that his children would be better off having nothing to do with him. I really don’t see why, if you are an ILLEGAL immigrant, if you are convicted of a crime you are not deported. But I guess that makes too much sense and would mean lawyers making less money using an appeal system that ended up costing this 12 year old girl her life.

I work with the father of Jamie (see below link).

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2010/04/02/death-driver-is-deported/

It is the only reason (children) that this other person got to stay in this country, but i cannot bring myself to agree that this is correct, based on seeing the shear devastation that something like this causes.

I just cant see why he was in the country at the time of the crime..

He had been convicted of bulgulary, convicted of some drugs offence, also convicted of a violent offence.. etc etc.. Then also banned from driving at the time, so also convicted of a driving offence to the extreme of losing his licence…

Why wasnt he given a 1 way ticket back to wherever before hand!! How about all our human rights of not having an immigrant in the country doing all these crimes!!!

Am i not right in thinking that in Iraq you lose a hand for burgulary!!!!

@TrueBlue wrote:

However, the child was not murdered. It was an accidental road death! It could happen to any driver on our roads if a child steps out in to the road without looking and your driving past. Think about it!

The driver left the seen of the accident on foot and was already banned from driving. That was his crime. He was wrong i know but that does not mean that he is a murderer!

TB I think you are being far too kind. Sorry but NO it could not happen to any of us. Yes, I, you or anybody else could have an accident BUT we would not be breaking a law unless driving recklessly.

THIS VILE SCUMBAG chose to break umpteen laws and commit an act that he was not certified as fit to do. Namely drive a motor vehicle. I, you and everybody else are certified as capable of driving. So immediately this man ILLEGALLY took charge of a potentially lethal weapon and put everybodys lives at risk. He did so after being banned so he is a serial offender turned murderer in my view.

THIS VILE SCUMBAG understood the severity of his crime and fled the scene, leaving his victim to die. That could not happen to any of us.

People who drink and drive above the legal limit or drive without a licence or whilst banned are murderers in my view.

THIS VILE SCUMBAG should have been booted out the country the moment his pathetic sentence was completed. I would like to know far more about the mother because IMO she must be braindead. Maybe the children are better with mother and father. I would have had him sterilised personally as part of his sentence to at least try to get him to understand what he has done.

@ian_kent wrote:

I just cant see why he was in the country at the time of the crime..

He had been convicted of bulgulary, convicted of some drugs offence, also convicted of a violent offence.. etc etc.. Then also banned from driving at the time, so also convicted of a driving offence to the extreme of losing his licence…

Why wasnt he given a 1 way ticket back to wherever before hand!! How about all our human rights of not having an immigrant in the country doing all these crimes!!!

Am i not right in thinking that in Iraq you lose a hand for burgulary!!!!

Very much Ian. I am mystified as to why he was not booted out at the first instance of his serial crime waged war.

He has been here for 10 year. The reason why he was not deported before the crime was because it was deemed unsafe by our authorities for him to return to Iraq. However, he would have been deported at some stage in the future when that country was deemed safe for him to return.

TB.
The child WAS murdered.The guy was banned from driving.He should NOT have been at the wheel.
There is no other way to look at this.If he was to respect the law of this land it would not have happened! Fact!

I agree with much of your last posted NWCA. However, have you never gone at 40mph in a 30mph zone? He broke the Law and was punished for his crimes. Whether it was the correct amount of time behind bars is another issue.

Where do we deport the British Law breakers too?

The point still is that his crimes have nothing to do with his and his daughters rights to be a family in this country!

I fail to understand why the Iraqi people would make it so unsafe for this model citizen to be returned to them. ~think

I think you need to look up the definition of MURDER, Decaff.

this guy has commited crimes over the past 8 years he is not a decent human being. running from the scene is terrible an 4 months sentence is a joke he should of been done for attemted manslaughter for leaving that poor kid or something more servere. what a joke

I agree with you, Andy.

I agree Andy it is strange that he wasn’t at least charged with manslaughter.

this piece of scum probably saw a relationship and kids as a convienient way of avoiding deportation.the authorities arent sure he,s with this women permanently and he even said he tried to help the kids with there homework when apparently he still speaks very little english

If it had happened in a lot of countries it would never had gone to court because he would have been dead within a week.

Its obscene and clearly wrong that he is allowed to stay here after what he has done.

The law in this country and the ‘human rights’ bill is a complete joke and definately favours criminals and leaves victims of crime feeling abandoned.

Laywers are bloodsuckers and with no money to be made from a little dead girl, they take up the case of the criminal, as usual and the victim and her family are left abandoned.

There is much wrong with this country and common sense and doing what is right for the victims is definaley missing from our courts these days.

Do gooders, now there’s a contradiction in terms…..

As long as somebody is making money from this process, this will be repeated over and over again.

I think we need a shadowy group to quitely remove these people from society, traffic accident sounds suitable to me.

Bronson had it taped…

THE VIGILANTE

The Gurkers (spelling) despite fighting for this country are told they have to go home, yet this scum bag, and the scumbag who killed head teacher Steven Lawrence have been told they can stay despite being immigrants who murder and are career criminals.

No such luck with that ponce Gary Glitter though. We had to have that vile idiot back, so its only us I think that signs up to these unfair and basically indecent rules from the idiots in Brussels.

.. meanwhile the lawyers get richer, and richer…..

Its all about money Gareth. No morals Laywers, I don’t know how they sleep at night.

On a pile of cash I suppose, made on the backs of decent people who have been hurt or killed.

And just to make us all (and especially the father) feel much better, we are no doubt now paying his rent and benefits….

As we no doubt were when he was applying for asylum and driving around uninsured and committing all these crimes and then killing someone.

Disgusting.

Unfortunately, you are spot on Gareth.

You are right TB. I do regularly break the speed limit but not to any vast extreme. Other than excess speed I think I drive well because I anticipate what is happening and have never had even a bump let alone a genuine crash despite driving a lot of miles each year at some horrendous times of the day.

I never drove without a licence nor without insurance etc which IMO show a total disregard for the welfare of others long before an accident happens.

However, it does show what an ass the law is these days and therein lies the bigger picture.

It would be interesting to see/know what the background of this mother/partner is

From the father:

“I’ve been battling for justice on my own for years now and what for? It has been for nothing. This is a perversity of our society. The whole country should be disgusted.

“Basically what the judges are saying is that it doesn’t matter how you act when you come here. You can kill, break the laws of the land but so long as you have a child when in the UK you can stay.

“I work hard, play by the rules, pay my taxes and this is how I get treated. What does that say about politicians, our leaders and the legal system? It’s a joke.”

I’m sick and tired of people hiding behind the law to make excuses for what is plain wrong.

the thing is this fxcker is now going to get police protection..get moved to another part of the country all at the tax payers expense….good innit ~naughty ~naughty

Im not sure he is attempting to hide behind the Law, Geepster. IF he breaks the Law. He will be dealt with by the Law in the same way as every other member of our society.

Sorry, NWCA but if you speed. Your breaking the Law and putting others at risk. None of us know if a person is going to walk out in front of us while we are driving. If it happens and it does everyday. Being the best driver in the world will make no difference.

The mother might have 3 heads but what has it got to do with anybodies human rights?

@TrueBlue wrote:

Im not sure he is attempting to hide behind the Law, Geepster. IF he breaks the Law. He will be dealt with by the Law in the same way as every other member of our society.

Sorry, NWCA but if you speed. Your breaking the Law and putting others at risk. None of us know if a person is going to walk out in front of us while we are driving. If it happens and it does everyday. Being the best driver in the world will make no difference.

The mother might have 3 heads but what has it got to do with anybodies human rights?

You anticipate what is happening TB and I drive defensively bar the fact I may break the speed limit. I actually think right or wrongly that driving too slow can create problems. My good lady is a nervous wreck as a driver and drives below the speed limit come what may. She is more prone to having an accident than myself.

I want to know the mental state of the woman, whether or not she was paid to father children for this vile killer. Something does not add up IMO and it would be very interesting to know more about her. If may well be the case TB that these children are better adopted.

I find it quite silly that a child killer gets to keep his children whereas quite often a drug addict and so forth have their children taken from them.

If a white anglo saxon Englander commits the same crime he does his time and is let back into the community to do what ever?….

We can’t be so judgemental just because the guy is a foreign can we? Isn’t that racist boys?

~think ~think

@Irk the purists wrote:

If a white anglo saxon Englander commits the sane crime he does his time and is let back into the community to do what ever?….

We can’t be so judgemental just because the guy is a foreign can we? Isn’t that racist boys?

~think ~think

As long as you hold the same view for any illegal immigrant whatever their skin colour then you are not being racist.

I didn’t mention skin colour NWCA
~think

Politics made simple ……

The hit and run case highlighted in this thread = Human Rights bullsh!t while a lawyer gets rich and a decent English family has its world torn apart.

Political Correctness = Even more bullsh!t that suits politicians to keep its nation quiet !

European Laws = Absolutely even more bullsh!t that keeps highly paid MEPs on planet Zog !

@Irk the purists wrote:

I didn’t mention skin colour NWCA
~think

Yes you did WHITE and you were implying that his skin colour / nationality created a racist angle.

If it had been my daughter i would be locked up for life now……THIS IS ENGLAND….god help us

Exactly Irk you did mention skin colour. White. In fact you were the one to bring skin colour into this. It’s not about skin colour at all. It’s about a country welcoming someone in, paying them money while they apply for asylum, and that person totally abusing and disrepecting the respect that country has given to them.

@TrueBlue wrote:

I think you need to look up the definition of MURDER, Decaff.

Actually True Blue I do not.I am fully aware of the meaning of the word as I was once a serving police officer!
It’s the interpretation of the word that needs defining.
When you get behind the wheel of a motor vehicle,with no licence & scant dis-respect for the law,no matter whom you are,you are willingly commiting an offence & if you have an “accident” which WOULD have NOT taken place had you not done so does not that constitute intention?
Answer me that True Blue!
Perhaps it is just as well I am no longer a serving officer,because I know what i think it is.

Also True Blue , I suggest you look up the meaning of “Murder” & take note of one of the four states of mind……..

Reckless indifference to an unjustifiably high risk to human life.

Motor vehicles do not kill,their drivers do!

I’ll get off my perch now.lol.

well said geepster….send him back!!! It makes me sick, i see it time after time, “well in my country we do it this way thats why i did it in this country”, a load of tosh, if you commit an offence in this country off you go, and i dont care what problems you have in your country. if you do not respect ours why should we respect you.

The more you consider this, the more obvious it becomes, that those who support this PC lunacy are financial beneficiaries of the system themselves.

Just another parasite for those of us in the real world to feed.

Just to note. I think said murderer may well be kicked out Jack Straw / the Prime Minister and various others have been quoted as horrified by the outcome and I think the decision may well be reversed. N.B Cross Party / No Political Point Scoring Rob

Oh bugger I did…. But what if the man who committed the crime was Australian?

just reflect on the other side of my point for a mo…..

We have loads of UK passport holders who commit similar crimes who get reintegrated into our community….

don’t see many posts on here about them do we?
~think

Decaff, you might have once been a serving officer. However, it seems that the police that dealt with this man and the courts disagree with your interpretation of the crime. He got 4 months!

NWCA, im sure you could find fault with the mother of the children if you looked hard enough.

Point of note, NWCA. Most drug addict parents dont have there children put in to care. In fact, very few do. Same with children of killers. Depends on the level of risk and whats best for the children!

We said, irk the purists. There are usually 2 sides to any argument in cases like this. Peoples prejudice gets in the way of the facts of the case. They only hear what they want to hear and invent the rest to suit what they want to believe.

Irk,the law should apply equally to all,unfortunately it obviously does not not!
Media chooses to determine these cases,Im sure the reaction from most on here would be the same.
TrueBlue, I hazard a guess that the police would agree with me,but the prosecution service & the courts,well that’s a different matter as you so rightly point out.

Decaff,

In which way was the law applied in a flawed manner? He was sentenced for his crime, are you arguing the the outcome would have been much harsher if he was a UK national?

People are confusing two issues here, The crime and the application for Asylum, they are not connected.

If you want to blame anyone for that situation Mr Cameron who gave back word on scrapping the application of the Human Rights Act in UK law to ensure that the ConDem pact could be formed.

Watching Cameron and Straw show boating over this case beggars belief as the are 2 people who have had more opportunities than anyone else to correct this anomaly.

What else do we know about the case? just the carefully chosen snippets that the press present to us.

I have no idea of his current circumstances but just consider that the man could be an excellent father to his kids and provides them with a stable environment where they can flourish…. and that was part of the evidence that the Immigration Judges considered before making their decision….

I know I’m peeing in the wind but…

Hey ho…..

@Irk the purists wrote:

Decaff,

In which way was the law applied in a flawed manner? He was sentenced for his crime, are you arguing the the outcome would have been much harsher if he was a UK national?

People are confusing two issues here, The crime and the application for Asylum, they are not connected.

If you want to blame anyone for that situation Mr Cameron who gave back word on scrapping the application of the Human Rights Act in UK law to ensure that the ConDem pact could be formed.

Watching Cameron and Straw show boating over this case beggars belief as the are 2 people who have had more opportunities than anyone else to correct this anomaly.

What else do we know about the case? just the carefully chosen snippets that the press present to us.

I have no idea of his current circumstances but just consider that the man could be an excellent father to his kids and provides them with a stable environment where they can flourish…. and that was part of the evidence that the Immigration Judges considered before making their decision….

I know I’m peeing in the wind but…

Hey ho…..

Based on what we do know about this man Irk what is your opinion about him?

All we know about him is the stuff the press feeds us with.

The Immigration Appeal Court (a panel of 3) will have had more evidence about him than those crumbs from the tabloids and given the current laws of the UK have given their judgement.

If you have a beef with that blame Cameron who promised a British Bill of Rights specifically to address this anomaly….

True Blue,

Saying there are two sides to this story implies to me that you are sticking up for this lowlife.
I can’t believe you are doing that.
WTF!!!!!

Irk,what I am trying to say is that I feel the sentence does not fit the crime.Wether the sentence would have been more had he been a UK national,who knows,the way our Courts now perform it’s a posssibility.
As for confusing the two issues, imo they are linked,he has committed various crimes in this country so should forfeit any right he has to asylum in this country.
As for everything else you say,I have to agree.

Decaff,

I understand the sentence issue, the problem with car crime as you will know is that 1 in 20 on the road have no insurance and according to the DVLC it’s probable that a similar number (1.5m)are driving without a licence.

I suspect that the numbers of people committing the sort of offence that he did means that the sentence doesn’t seem to fit the crime….

tractorboy,

I’m pretty sure that we all have friends and acquaintances who have been lowlife at some point in their lives, many do turn it around.

Can we not consider the remote possibility that this guy has gone some way to doing that and if he hadn’t the Immigration Courts would have considered taking a different course of action?

The police / cps / judges often totally disagree with the sentences they are forced to give. Therefore I guess we have to blame those who make the laws / set the tarrifs.

Sorry from the snippets I have read he is a toerag and I would not want him in my country. If he was white, black, yellow or pink I would not want him in my country. The dozen mainly white drug dealers from East Lancashire sentenced yesterday I do not want in my country. Interestingly they got sentences up to 14 years which IMO shows the absurdity of the legal system.

The woman the toerag married just on the basis of what he had done before getting married / becoming her partner strikes me as somebody with questionable judgement.

People need to stop making excuses for scum. Even if you are a socialist / lefty; true socialism is about social responsibility / responsible socialism.

@Irk the purists wrote:

Decaff,

I understand the sentence issue, the problem with car crime as you will know is that 1 in 20 on the road have no insurance and according to the DVLC it’s probable that a similar number (1.5m)are driving without a licence.

I suspect that the numbers of people committing the sort of offence that he did means that the sentence doesn’t seem to fit the crime….

tractorboy,

I’m pretty sure that we all have friends and acquaintances who have been lowlife at some point in their lives, many do turn it around.

Can we not consider the remote possibility that this guy has gone some way to doing that and if he hadn’t the Immigration Courts would have considered taking a different course of action?

Absolute garbage Irk. A tiny minority turn their lives around, many turn it around after the stupidity of youth and maturing thereafter. Given this scumbag is a repeat offender you really are clutching at straws.

It is time we stopped making excuses for unacceptable behaviour in Britain FULL STOP.

@NWCA:

“It is time we stopped making excuses for unacceptable behaviour in Britain FULL STOP.”

Absolutely mate, spot-on.

Not only is this asylum seeker scum , proper scum , who has taken the life of a young girl and wrecked the lives of a good honest ENGLISH family he is a habitual law breaker who should have been behind bars anyway. The human rights laws are a complete joke , european laws the same …… they only serve one purpose in the western world and that is that they make legal people very rich at the expense of innocent people. Not one person apart from Decaff has touched on the work the police have done to bring this piece of sh!t to book only for the courts to make our country look the laughing stock of the western world yet again !!!

Has anyone actually given a thought to the dead child and her family ?????

Anyone defending this case needs there head testing ~naughty ~naughty ~naughty

Sorry Irk, but I have no sympathy nor any sense of ‘he has paid for his mistake’.

The poor father of that girl has to live with the fact that someone who should not have been in this country has killed his daughter and the coward ran away and left her to die.

He served no sentance at all really, and despite having drug offences, burgulary offences, harrassment offences and other motoring offences against him, he is allowed to stay.
Its as wrong in my book as anything can possibly be.
Oh and I know of no-one who has done this sort of thing and if I did I would tell then what I think of them
I think most law abiding and decent people in this country would agree that this ruling is wrong. At what point does an asylum seeker and a failed one at that, lose his/her right to stay? Looks like never, no matter what they do. We have enough home grown scumbags without importing them and allowing them to stay.
In my book if they come here for a better life and then break the law commiting a serious offence, they have then forfitted the right to stay. They serve their sentance and then are sent to where they come from no matter what may of may not happen to them.

the only good thing to come out of this is with his ugly mug posted all over the media and internet his face and crimes are now well known,i hope someone spots him out in blackburn and wishes him a happy christmas

@redarmy wrote:

the only good thing to come out of this is with his ugly mug posted all over the media and internet his face and crimes are now well known,i hope someone spots him out in blackburn and wishes him a happy christmas

Sadly redarmy he will no doubt be claiming he requires police protection / relocated blah blah at the expense of the tax payer.

I cannot get my head around people defending him. Just on snippets he is an absolute scumbag.

NWCA, you would have him strung up from a tree based on snippets.

Do people have a right to be able to live there lives without fear of being attacked by the general public? With attitudes like i have read on here. It seems to me that he will need police protection.

Good job we dont have the death penalty in this country anymore!

No Tractorboy. Im not defending him. Im defending the facts of the case, the Law and Human Rights. There are 2 issues in this debate. The Law dealt with one issue based on the evidence put before a court. People dont have the full facts of the case! He got 4 months. Think about it! The second issue is about Human Rights. Do not mix the two! I will always defend human rights because i believe in them.

This man has lived in this country for 10 years now. He fled from Iraq because his birth country was at war. He asked to stay in this country some 5+ years ago and was turned down. However, they could not return him to Iraq because it is not safe. The authorities in this country decided that its not safe for him to be returned. He has since had 2 children which are now 3 and 4 years old by a British woman. Should he be allowed to stay in this country based on the fact that he should be able to be a father to his children? To me the answer must be yes.

TB you are right I would have him strung up. I would have anybody strung up who drives a motor vehicle without a licence and hits a child, leaves that child dying underneath his car and runs away. That incident alone is enough for me to want him strung up. TB given that single incident how do you feel / react? what do you think is a suitable punishment?

What has happened to prison justice? We had a scrote who was robbing and beating up old women in their own homes. When caught and imprisoned, he was blinded in one eye by a fork.
Surely this scumbag should have been deal some prison justice?

By the same token, NWCA. You admit to regularly driving above the speed limit. Something the police/courts would have you banned for. If they could catch you! Your arrogance is amazing! Your defense is that your a good driver! Tell that to the countless parents who have lost children on our roads!

How do i feel over what happened. Truth is that i dont know all the facts over the death of the girl. However, we do know that he was banned from driving. Maybe for speeding but he might have felt that he was a great driver like yourself! So, in my opinion and the Laws. He should not have been driving. He should not have left the seen of the accident. However, people do stupid things when under stress. None of us know how we will react until it happens to us. Some people panic and do nothing. Some people run away. Some cope very well in a very stressful situation like knocking down someone. The point still is that the courts dealt with him and he was sent down for 4 months. Clearly, the court felt that the accident could not have been avoided or he would have been charged with different charges and spent more time locked up.

I dont agree with the type of justice you think is ok.

No remorse: One judge described Ibrahim as ‘abhorent’ yet allowed him to stay to continue his life of burglary, theft, harrassment and drugs possession

The people who deserved rights

TB, your arguments are becoming absurd. I stated that yes I break the speed limit as 99% of drivers do. I break it to the extent that should I be caught doing so the excess speed is either insufficient to register a charge or would earn me a place on a driver awareness course. I am sorry if it upsets you but I think driving mile upon mile for 20 years without so much as a bump gives me the right to say I am a decent driver. I was taught how to drive by my father who was a fantastic driver to the extent when a youth football team were involved in a crash resulting in the loss of life of one player they asked my father to drive them when they finally could face travelling to a football match again. However, all the above is totally incidental just as your argument.

You are defending an habitual offender. A man whom after killing a young child has still continued to commit offences included the offence that led to a death. HARDLY REFORMED or REHABILITATED. Hardly the type of individual who we should be holding up as a great father. Those children are better without him.

The mother. we know nothing other than she is British. I will surmise she has either been paid to produce children, a drug user, a prostitute, mental issues. I hope we find out. No women of even the most basic intelligence would continue a relationship with a child killer who continues to reoffend whilst supposedly being a partner/husband/father.

You are by your comments even defending the British Legal System / Human Rights Act when patently both need modifying and improving.

As a nation our total disregard for law/order and decency is a disgrace and if ordinary people like ourselves continue making excuses for scum then we have only ourselves to blame.

This scumbag seems happy to continue breaking the law even after killing a young girly. It could be your son/daughter next TB or my son/daughter.

Ah…..

A daily Mail reader….

Oh Well….

~think

The three judges that sat on the case were all pinko liberals or imbeciles I take it NWCA….

Look at Cameron’s letter that you posted, there in lies the reason he’s still in this country….

Your still not able to look at the issue in its two parts.

I ask you this. If the man concerned had not had a criminal record. Would you have still wanted him to be chucked out of this country or would you have agreed with the verdict to let him stay?

@Irk the purists wrote:

Ah…..

A daily Mail reader….

Oh Well….

~think

The three judges that sat on the case were all pinko liberals or imbeciles I take it NWCA….

Look at Cameron’s letter that you posted, there in lies the reason he’s still in this country….

Far from it Irk. I simply googled looking for information on the case. You should not jump to conclusions 😉 If I buy a paper which is very rare these days I buy the Daily Mirror which as a young boy from the age of 8ish had some fantastic journalism from Paul Foot?

Totally agree and I have already said that the legal system which we owe our politicians for is the biggest factor in this case. You need to read posts 😉

@TrueBlue wrote:

Your still not able to look at the issue in its two parts.

I ask you this. If the man concerned had not had a criminal record. Would you have still wanted him to be chucked out of this country or would you have agreed with the verdict to let him stay?

No criminal record but an asylum seeker / illegal immigrant then yes if it was safe for him to return to Iraq I would argue he should return unless there was a very good argument otherwise.

I do not know but I surmise that the children may have been born to avoid deportation so I am left torn as regards where you go from that point as we need more information.

What we do have is an habitual offender / child killer who continued to offend after killing that child. So your previous argument he may have panicked etc after hitting the child are a tad incredulous do you not think. From what we know this is a very calculated and abhorent individual.

At the present time we reject work permits for overseas sportsmen/women who have a criminal record in their own country. Sometime for very minor offences. Yet we allow a child killer to remain seems warped to me. Why can we not create a new Australia and send All our scum there.

I prefer law and order to excessive civil liberties but hey thats just me. If you want a country where your mother / wife / children cannot live safely and healthily I guess child killers are okay.

Is guantanamo bay still open for business ?

Reading some of the defence of this scum is making me despair. TrueBlue, are you playing devils advocate by any chance, if not, I hope you are never on the recieving end of peverted justice ?

a glimmer of hope the uk borders agency have lodged an appeal against the decision which will be heard next thursday i really hope if theres any justice in this world, paul houston gets the christmas present hes wanted for the last 7 years.

Stevedrink, i am playing devils advocate to some extent. Someone has to or we would not have anything worth discussing while we are snowed in and unable to fish! However, i do believe in Human Rights.

@Irk the purists wrote:

Ah…..

A daily Mail reader….
Oh Well….

~think

The three judges that sat on the case were all pinko liberals or imbeciles I take it NWCA….

Look at Cameron’s letter that you posted, there in lies the reason he’s still in this country….

It’s getting to the stage where a new sort of Godwin’s Law is necessary to counteract the Daily Mail myth.

trueblue, as its been said – hope your never on the receiving end of perverted justice either! your a fucking idiot man and 1 of the many do gooder, tree hugging dick heads that are partly responsible for the way this country has ended up the way it is!~shh ~naughty