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27/12/2010 at 2:38 pm #43729
TF_geepsterParticipantAnglers Seek Action on Cormorants to Save Rural Businesses
The Angling Trust has written to Fisheries Minister Richard Benyon MP asking him to to reduce the red tape tangling up the process for applying for a licence to control fish-eating birds, which cause untold damage the UK’s £3.5 billion angling industry. Many angling clubs and fisheries which have been in existence for generations are struggling to survive, putting at risk vital direct and indirect rural employment. Without adequate fish stocks, their rivers or lakes cease to attract visiting and local anglers.
In the letter, which is available for download HERE, angling’s representative body described the problems with the current system for licensing control of cormorants, goosanders and mergansers, which is administered by Natural England. The system currently includes the following features:
• Applicants have to complete a 3,000 word, 9 page form to apply for a licence to shoot birds which can put them out of business;
• Applicants are asked to detail any ancient monuments near their fishery;
• Fisheries with more than 60 cormorants perched in nearby trees have been granted a licence to shoot just 2 birds a year;
• There is a ban on shooting birds after 15th April, when they do most damage to salmon and sea trout smolts during May and June;
• Unnecessary visits from Natural England staff are made to fisheries, which are expensive for the public purse and time-wasting for rural businesses;
• Applications are only granted after serious damage has occurred – reactively rather than proactively – when businesses are already suffering;
• The national upper limit of licences has been frozen despite reports that the population of cormorants, goosanders and mergansers are all increasing;The Angling Trust has called on the Minister to make four changes to the licensing process so that angling clubs and fisheries, which employ thousands of people in rural areas, can more easily defend their businesses and fish stocks and help contribute to the economic recovery:
1. Make it possible for fishery managers to control birds all year round to protect their fisheries when they are most vulnerable;
2. Remove the requirements for fishery managers to consult with Natural England staff and to detail the proximity of ancient monuments etc. in their applications;
3. Remove the requirement for evidence of damage and allow preventative control, rather than after the stock has been eaten;
4. Apply, as other countries have, for derogations from limits on the number of birds which can be shot each year.The Angling Trust will be raising these and other issues with the Minister personally at an Angling Summit planned for January 2011.
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27/12/2010 at 11:41 pm #126640
TF_One Out of the FrameI was at a fishery that I used to be a regular at and I’m sure that it was someone from DEFRA who was there doing the finer points to grant a licence to shoot cormorants. This was being done behind my peg and the advice was that the cormorants sent ‘scouts’ and that he should get up and shoot the scout at 0500hrs rather than the 6-10 that came later in the day and that was what he was going to get a licence to do.
“Early start for you tomorrow?” Says me after the DEFRA chap leaves.
“I don’t think so.” Came the reply, “I’ll come down after breakfast and shoot the lot!”
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28/12/2010 at 2:52 pm #126665
TF_simon paveyhow did the defra bloke know that cormorants send a scout. Do they sit in a tree and draw lots for who is scout on which day?
What exactly do you think these scouts are looking for at 0050hrs ,supposedly the scout reports back and tells his mates whats going on a this and that venue? and what if someone shoots the scout, do they send out a search party perhaps? sounds like bollx to me……. -
31/12/2010 at 12:49 am #126920
TF_Serious Sam@simon pavey wrote:
how did the defra bloke know that cormorants send a scout. Do they sit in a tree and draw lots for who is scout on which day?
What exactly do you think these scouts are looking for at 0050hrs ,supposedly the scout reports back and tells his mates whats going on a this and that venue?Lets them know if they need to bring ice breakers . . .
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31/12/2010 at 2:30 pm #126957
TF_One Out of the Frame@simon pavey wrote:
how did the defra bloke know that cormorants send a scout. Do they sit in a tree and draw lots for who is scout on which day?
What exactly do you think these scouts are looking for at 0050hrs ,supposedly the scout reports back and tells his mates whats going on a this and that venue? and what if someone shoots the scout, do they send out a search party perhaps? sounds like bollx to me…….Don’t shoot the messenger! I was only relating a story…
That said: If bees can communicate the whereabouts of nectar to other bees in the hive, it isn’t beyond belief that birds could do similar.
Thinking about it on the Avon at Barford, if I was walking my dog in the morning you quite often saw lone cormorants whereas in the evening there would be several.
~think
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31/12/2010 at 8:36 pm #127019
TF_simon paveyNot shooting you mate but I think too much is made of the cormorant problems , they have been inland for 20 odd years and initially did untold damage, however these days I have watched them and they seem to catch very few fish , whereas anglers are catching them.
Nature has a way of sorting out things and I firmly believe prey fish have wised up to this black marauder , the grebes seem to catch more these days. -
01/01/2011 at 12:07 pm #127055
TF_dirkdigglerOne Out of the Frame wrote:simon pavey wrote:Don’t shoot the messenger! I was only relating a story…can we shoot the merganser instead then can we can we~clap
seriously a water only 200yds from where i live has been destroyed by birds and mink.
it was the best roach fishing i’ve ever seen with 2lb fish a regular occurance now there are non left at all.
on the plus side though i witnessed myself a fishery owners brand of early morning justice on these flying vermin, i love it when common sense takes over from namby pamby bill oddie political correctness ~clap
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