De-Stocking of Carp in UK Canals – Petition – Please Support

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- 30/01/2011 at 1:16 pm #44361
  RIGriff
  I live next to a Canal in Birmingham which has some of the best canal carping in the UK. Last Thurs/Fri nearly 100 of these carp were removed by the match club that runs the stretch with complete disregard for the carp and pleasure anglers that use the stretch.
  The reason given was that Carp will eat spawn and fry of other fish and ruin silver fish stocks????
  Obviously the club has no understanding of how a fishery works because if they believe this to be true the Perch, Bream and other species should also be removed.
  Canals hold some of the most characteristic fish in the country and is birth place for many anglers. Destroying what is remaining of these venues will have an effect on the future of our sport.
  So far this issue has been brought up on Keith Arthurs Fishermans Blues and will appear in all UK Angling Publications in the near future.
  
  Please sign and support the petition and forward to any friends
  http://www.petition.co.uk/to-stop-the-de-stocking-of-carp-in-uk-canals-
- 30/01/2011 at 6:38 pm #130296
  TF_carpmagic
  Participant
  Get in touch with BWB as i presume they control the canal in that area. I might be wrong but dont the fish also belong to them?
- 30/01/2011 at 6:50 pm #130300
  TF_buygoodtackle
  Participant
  About 5 years ago we took approximately 250 carp (3000lb+) out of opur club water because the carp had affected the balance in the water. The water could not support the level of carp in there and it was having a negative effect on all the other fish and the carp as there just wasn’t enough food for them. We had a tremendous amount of stick from carp and pleasure anglers saying that we had taken all the carp out of the water whereas in reality we had only taken a small fraction out. The result now is that we have a healthy water with good fish stocks, OAPs can go down and catch 50lb bags of bream and tench, carpers can get good sport (33lb biggest so far this season) and the pleasure anglers are always able to catch. It may be a similar situation but has been poorly communicated.
- 31/01/2011 at 11:43 am #130383
  woodhouse
  @carpmagic wrote:
  
  Get in touch with BWB as i presume they control the canal in that area. I might be wrong but dont the fish also belong to them?
  
  It was BW that did the removal on request from the controlling club.
  
  The 30 carp were moved to one of BW day ticket venues and are to be replaced with silvers.
- 31/01/2011 at 1:11 pm #130389
  TF_Nigel.
  This is a difficult one, because 1/2 will want them to stay, and 1/2 will want them replaced with silvers!
  Its the Zander you want rid off, the canal at Warwick is full of them, and there are no small fish at all, big carp or big bream, the zanders have eaten the rest!
- 31/01/2011 at 1:43 pm #130391
  TF_carpmagic
  Participant
  I may be wrong but surely there werent too many carp in a stretch of canal?
- 31/01/2011 at 1:53 pm #130393
  woodhouse
  There is not a big head of carp in there Steve but they were a good average size with most between 15 and 25lb.
  
  The controlling club was unaware of the fact that carpers were actually fishing for them (secret squirrel).
- 31/01/2011 at 2:16 pm #130398
  TF_SLAB
  Were is this strech of canel.
- 31/01/2011 at 2:21 pm #130399
  woodhouse
  @SLAB wrote:
  
  Were is this strech of canel.
  
  Castle vale
- 31/01/2011 at 4:05 pm #130412
  TF_the margin gnome
  Any danger of them taking the chub out the canals too? Surely contributed to the decline in canal match fishing. Well i never liked them anyway.
- 31/01/2011 at 4:12 pm #130414
  TF_bobby-jo
  Participant
  there was only about 30 carp (over 10lb) removed from the canal which was done by bwb,
  i bet the people moaning about them being removed are the ones who fish the water without paying a day ticket as well
- 31/01/2011 at 5:09 pm #130430
  TF_carpmagic
  Participant
  Realistically though were they really doing any harm? I cant imagine they could have been too be honest. All fish eat spawn so thats a rubbish excuse.
- 31/01/2011 at 5:18 pm #130432
  TF_craigm
  Maybe they were just saving them from the Eastern Europeans like the ones that seem to line the canals near me with their disposable barbecues at the ready.
- 31/01/2011 at 7:38 pm #130460
  RIGriff
  @bobby-jo wrote:
  
  there was only about 30 carp (over 10lb) removed from the canal which was done by bwb,
  i bet the people moaning about them being removed are the ones who fish the water without paying a day ticket as well
  
  There was actually close to 100 taken out. Match, Specialist, Carp & Coarse anglers all fish our canals. I dont understand how you cannot pay a day ticket, When you as on the bank you pay the ticket when asked??? I have enquired about a season ticket and been told they are not available???
  Anglers were there protesting the day they were taken out and impolitely told to leave??
- 31/01/2011 at 9:50 pm #130489
  woodhouse
  Griff
  
  Is the controlling club aware that you were fishing the venue for these carp and what you were catching?
  
  The guys that run the club are good blokes, i am sure they would of reached a conpromise if they had been aware.
- 01/02/2011 at 9:16 am #130522
  TF_carpmagic
  Participant
  Id love to know what harm the Carp were supposedly doing? And please dont tell me they were eating the spawn as if thats the case all fish would have to be removed!
- 01/02/2011 at 11:03 am #130538
  TF_carpmagic
  Participant
  Just read the piece in angling times, they say that they were a pain and were impossible to land and people were not attending the matches as a result. There must be loads there as you’d imagine to cause that sort of annoyance they must have been hooking multiple Carp every match.
- 01/02/2011 at 11:17 am #130541
  woodhouse
  I would be interested to know where AT got that info from because the matches are well attended and I haven’t hooked a carp there for over 5 years.
- 02/02/2011 at 7:40 pm #130699
  TF_MOOREY
  I actually live just behind the Drome Cafe on this strech of canel, but havnt fished it for a few years. During the spring and summer my usual pub crawl takes me from the Tyburn House, along the canal to The Boat, then the Hair and Hounds, then the Kingsley, then finally onto the White Horse. I have a pint or 2 in each there and back, great days out.
  My point is, the canal is full of roach, 2/3 inchs long, so if the carp are eating all the spawn they have obviously missed an awful lot. I have taken perch to 2lb 8oz from the reeds at the back of The Boat, why not remove these as well then if its all about preserving fish stocks???
  When I used to fish the matches at the back of the White Horse, carp were banned. Thats because people were sitting out for 1 fish on carp tactics and with them averaging 12/15lb these were probably enough to win the matches.
  My guess is thats probably whats happend here, club members/matchmen have complained that a hard earned net of silvers is being wiped out by someone willing to persiver for one take and one fish.
  Either way, its a great venue. Would be nice if the carp taken out were replaced with a head of bream/skimmers.
- 02/02/2011 at 11:07 pm #130725
  RIGriff
  @woodhouse wrote:
  
  Griff
  
  Is the controlling club aware that you were fishing the venue for these carp and what you were catching?
  
  The guys that run the club are good blokes, i am sure they would of reached a conpromise if they had been aware.
  
  Myself and a few other anglers were there while the fish were being removed, the secretary also turned up while the fish were still being removed.
  We were all promptly told to F off and they did not give a s&1t what we thought. I was told that if i produced a petition against this he would rip it up and chuck it in my face. He sounds like a right decent bloke who would comprimise….
  
  I used to fish the matches and the carp have been in there for the last 25 years so why have the attendances only just started to drop (it could be because all match anglers are now fishing for carp on commercials!)
  Certain pegs on the stretch throw up better weights of bream over the carp, so should the bream be removed or not allowed in matches? Bream also eat spawn, perch eat fry, and there have been many 15lb silver fish match weights over the last year.
  This is not the sign of a crap silver fish water.
  
  A single Jack would cause more of a problem than the whole carp population. Another big mistake was that the large pike were removed (I saw 2 doubles). There is now nothing to control the jacks that were left and they will have a field day feeding on any silver fish – Result same or less stocks of silvers in a year and loads more Jacks.
  
  The story is that we are all anglers and we also fish the same waters. Its not a case of a fish is the problem it is a case of they see different anglers as the problem.
  Personally anyone who runs a water in this manner will only create a divide which will mean that there will be worse fishing for all.
- 03/02/2011 at 11:41 am #130749
  woodhouse
  Griff
  
  Were the club aware that you were catching these carp?
  
  If the answer is no then I see that as a factor in why they were moved, I am sure if the carpers had approached the club and made them aware then a solution could had been found beforehand.
- 03/02/2011 at 9:50 pm #130895
  RIGriff
  I counted 20 anglers on the stretch after there was a feature there last July. The Baliff knew of the feature so i would guess that the secretary also knew. I live next to the canal and see carp anglers frequently, and many more pleasure anglers whether it be during the week and the weekends.
  
  He should be aware of this, if he does not i would say that it is neglect (I would guess he would say he didnt because he would not want to anger more people).
  
  The fact is that carp are dissapearing from many stretches for no valid reason.
- 06/02/2011 at 12:11 am #131125
  woodhouse
  Hello Griff
  
  I think this is a case of the carpers being a bit “secret” about the venue, IMHO if you and your mates had approached the club then something could of been arranged where both party’s were happy.
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