It is the match organisers worst problem, people booking on matches and letting you down.
A match organiser has to book the venue, book the pegs, arrange the payout, do the draw, and it all goes tits up if you have no shows, it affects the pegging, the payout, and the cost of the pegs if you have to pay for all the ones you have booked.

The only way to stop this is to do what you have done, well done Lee, it will stop others doing it if and when they realise what a dam pain it is when they don’t let you know!!!!!

Fair play Lee, now that’s how you run matches!

Harsh but Fair.

Terry Fishgold is my usual traveling partner/driver for matches. He was ill on Saturday morning and so could not attend this match.

I apologised on behalf of Terry when i arrived at Barston just before the draw. I also apologised again after the draw instead of running off to my peg. I made it clear that Terry,s none attendance was unavoidable!

Its a 240 mile round trip for me to travel to Barston and the best part of £40 worth of fuel. I still attended the match on my own and explained the situation as soon as possible and before the draw started.

Anglers do get ill on the morning of matches or have issues with transport/breakdowns, ect. What would you suggest those anglers do?

Can you take me off the list for the rest of these matches. Your out of order, Lee!

Keep up the good work Lee ~clap ~clap ~clap

You have to be pretty ill to not be able to use a phone or send a txt.

No excuse really, its very easy to contact someone to say you are ill and cannot attend.

It does happen all the time and is mostly because people cannot be arsed.

Just my opinion of course and am bound to be told I don’t know what i’m talking about. lol

One club I know of has a three match ban if you fail to show up after booking on and then don’t payup for the peg fee that had to be paid out of club subs.

I know you may not want to do it Lee but perhaps you should consider up front peg fees as well as an entry fee. The peg fees and entry money being non-refundable in the event of a no show with no advance notice.

Personally I think you should get the peg fees up front before the match series when you are running a league for all the matches people have signed up for.

Steve

Is it a case of he’s the driver, you’re the mouthpiece? Im sure if Terry had any complaint he would have said so? Far as i am aware you didnt turn up till 9 so how could Terrys place be filled at zero notice? Lee’s phone number was available on here so before you set out on your 120 mile trip you or even the man himself could have telephoned Lee. I actually think that Lee is far from out of order judging from the events you have described!!

Match organisers charter.

Give up time for free.

Be out of pocket.

Be first on bank.

Be last to peg to prepare.

Be last off bank after match.

Be first target for abuse if eveyone fails to bag up or for payouts etc.

Very rarely someone will thank you for organising things.

Dont really know why I bother but I do.

i’m sorry you feel so incensed true blue ~sick decisions have to be made carpcruncher took the competition on where others wouldn’t of its a big on-take running matches i should now.its unfortunate your friend was ill but there is always some way of letting the organiser know

i wouldn’t take offence its turf but i think its the only way to get the message across and i think specially in individuals competitions there should be more decisions made like this

you can’t afford to give a anglers spare pegs on a venue like barston gaps are gold dust

but a word of warning carpcruncher you must stick to your guns from now on !! big name or not this is the right decision

as a organiser i’m right behind you on this ~clap ~clap

AWESOME..

~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap Well Done You.

I can understand your frustration over the no shows, Lee. I know you have already put a lot of work in to attempting to run these matches. However, there will be other no shows when you have 80 anglers traveling from different parts of the country and in some cases over long distances!

As a matter of interest. Do other anglers get banned if they phone up to say you cannot make it on the morning of the match?

Yes, im incensed joffmiester. Lee was not the only person inconvenienced on Saturday. Maybe it would have been better for me to have phoned Lee at 5.30AM and said that my traveling partner is ill. Neither of us are coming now! Im sure Lee would have been pleased with that.

I made the effort and got to Barston on time. Made the apology on Terry,s behalf at 8.50AM. Easy to take a peg out at that stage! It cost me a fortune. Terry gets banned. I lose my traveling partner for the later rounds. And, i had a bad day. Last in a 5 peg section. Dont you just love match angling, lol.

As yamma says, AWESOME..

TB there was one person waiting right up untill the last minute to leave for this event, one of which called me after he finished his night shift to see if there was a place available, he was prepared to drive from Wrexham

So a call or text that early would have filled the place

Good call Lee,stick to your guns mate.

Rules are rules and unfortuanately all to often are flounted & no action taken making them pointless , well done Carpcruncher for sticking by your guns , as has been said people now know the score ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap ~clap

THOUGHT ABOUT RUNNING THE COUNTRY CARPCRUNCHER~think ~think ~think ~think

@joffmiester wrote:

THOUGHT ABOUT RUNNING THE COUNTRY CARPCRUNCHER~think ~think ~think ~think

I dunno about that Joff,have ya seen Lee’s face ? i use a picture of him to threaten my kids with when they won’t go to bed pmsl

@two shakes wrote:

@joffmiester wrote:

THOUGHT ABOUT RUNNING THE COUNTRY CARPCRUNCHER~think ~think ~think ~think

I dunno about that Joff,have ya seen Lee’s face ? i use a picture of him to threaten my kids with when they won’t go to bed pmsl

Its no worse than Blairs and he koofed it up lol

Those who fish the rest of this series. Good luck but make sure you have Lee,s phone number with you. No excuses if you dont attend or call in a reasonable time so a replacement can be found. Rules are rules and a precedent has been made!

Has Steve Lamb gone into hiding or simply left the country?

Justin Case, if i need an alibi. I know who to call, lol You do make me smile.

AWESOME..keep up the good work lee.

Trueblue steve lamb who ever he is,is probably very embarrassed about letting Lee down and is keeping a low profile just like your no show mate, only you could defend the indefensible if you insist on using net forums to raise your profile i suggest you refrain from involving other people those you know and those you don’t a good starting point would be not coming last in a 5 peg section this post is a bo££icking not a discussion thread and i wont be adding to it but now doubt you cant resist. keep up the good work lee

@scizzers wrote:

Trueblue steve lamb who ever he is,is probably very embarrassed about letting Lee down and is keeping a low profile just like your no show mate, only you could defend the indefensible if you insist on using net forums to raise your profile i suggest you refrain from involving other people those you know and those you don’t a good starting point would be not coming last in a 5 peg section this post is a bo££icking not a discussion thread and i wont be adding to it but now doubt you cant resist. keep up the good work lee

AWESOME AS AWESOME CAN BE..~clap ~clap

@TrueBlue wrote:

Justin Case, if i need an alibi. I know who to call, lol You do make me smile.

Ask Martin Church if you disbelieve

If it was explained at the draw that this guy was ill on the morning of the match then it sounds pretty pathetic to me. I’ve been ill on the morning of matches with my head stuck down a toilet and the last thing on your mind is making a phonecall when your mate (in this case trueblue) was to notify them when he got there anyway.

I hope youre all struck down with illness before a match this weekend ha ha.

P.s i know no one on this thread. Just though i’d stick my big nose is and tell you what a bunch of girls you are.

if you had your head down the toilet you should have asked God on the big white telephone to get a message to the match organisier again no excuse

@Mikey .J. wrote:

If it was explained at the draw that this guy was ill on the morning of the match then it sounds pretty pathetic to me. I’ve been ill on the morning of matches with my head stuck down a toilet and the last thing on your mind is making a phonecall when your mate (in this case trueblue) was to notify them when he got there anyway.

I hope youre all struck down with illness before a match this weekend ha ha.

P.s i know no one on this thread. Just though i’d stick my big nose is and tell you what a bunch of girls you are.

go stick ya big nose up a bunch of girls asses then.

you tell em Yamm pmsl

trueblue you made your own way last week and nothing stopping you doing so any other match truth is ya got spanked m8 and makeing this an excuse simple as

The organiser is blame free from this but it strikes me several people have entered this thread just to have a go at TrueBlue ~naughty

You have to be very careful throwing mud and grandstanding Carpcruncher. A scenario; you post here chastising somebody and telling them they are banned yet said person might have had a heart attack and died the day or days before, even on the day and you are posting hey YOUR BANNED you let me and everybody else down. I know that is not the case but that is a possible scenario and you could have put yourself in a very difficult position when all you are trying to be is a quality match organiser which you seem to be.

You could argue taking your stance in reverse who not phone / email the two banned no shows rather than spend so long on here posting and grandstanding. You could have told TrueBlue in private at the match given he apparently told you at the match what had happened.

People need to take care airing their dirty washing in public.

@carpcruncher wrote:

Its very simple , it was all explained in the first Post I put up regarding the match. If this was the case , then why was I not phoned up on the morning by True blue when On his way down My details have only been on the sites for the last 7 months. Why have I not been contacted since by either parties , I see anglers and Match orgainisers moaning that they are fed up wiith anglers who do not show , let the day down , Finally someone makes a stand , and you get the odd one that starts back peddeling?

Theres an Angler on here , whosahll remain nameless , whos daughter died some time ago. On the Morning Of a match he was fishing , I couldn’t believe that he still had the respect to phn the match orgainiser that he was unable to attend.

Stop trying to turn this around on me , because I have nothing to answer for. The rukes are there , set in place to try and ensure , we acheive what we have set a target to acheive!!

seems to be the same old back peddlers on here ,,,that have got a lot to say ,,,,,,… lee do you think 7 months of rules is long enough ,,,,,,,, ????? pms

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go stick ya big nose up a bunch of girls asses then.[/quote]

You should try it too, it’s much more enjoyable than having it up Carpcrunchers im sure…..then again each to their own 😉

Trueblue…i wouldnt waste money fishing with these lot by the sounds of it anyway.

@carpcruncher wrote:

Its very simple , it was all explained in the first Post I put up regarding the match. If this was the case , then why was I not phoned up on the morning by True blue when On his way down My details have only been on the sites for the last 7 months. Why have I not been contacted since by either parties , I see anglers and Match orgainisers moaning that they are fed up wiith anglers who do not show , let the day down , Finally someone makes a stand , and you get the odd one that starts back peddling?

Theres an Angler on here , whosahll remain nameless , whos daughter died some time ago. On the Morning Of a match he was fishing , I couldn’t believe that he still had the respect to phn the match orgainiser that he was unable to attend.

Stop trying to turn this around on me , because I have nothing to answer for. The rules are there , set in place to try and ensure , we acheive what we have set a target to acheive!!

Then he is a far better man than me and 99.9% of the population. I would not expect him to do that, nor did you from your post and nor should anybody else but you seem to be using that as an example of good practice and respect. Do not take this personally, nor should the angler concerned but if I had been in that situation and understandably not contacted you (please tell me you did not expect him to? ) and then somebody had a go at me on the net for notr turning up for a match then I would be in a mood where I would want to physically harm the person bad mouthing me and the organiser would get criticised big time by all and sundry.

So sorry but my scenario is relevant.

Trueblue was travelling a long distance, you are not advocating he drives and phones you whilst driving, the illness happened that day, I daresay he was concentrating on getting to your match and felt at such short notice his travel partner would be difficult to replace so he got on with getting himself there.

In reality CC, this public grandstanding is unedifying for all concerned. If you have phone numbers would a call / txt not have been far more private, taken far less time and avoided people simply using the thread to have a go at an angler who did turn up at great personal expense, travelled a long distance and is now subjected to several people taking an unwarranted ‘pop’ at him.

Like all organisers you have a difficult task but why should TrueBlue cop it from a few vultures looking to have a go for no reason. This thread shows the disadvantages of the net as a means of communication.

3 things.

1) organising a match is truely thankless
2) if I have a heart attack and die on the morning of a match you can name and shame me. I really couldn’t care less if I’m dead!! If I’m just ill I’m still aware I was going to go fishing.
3) if I can ring my mate to say I’m ill I can also show the same courtesy to a match organiser

Easy surely?

@carpcruncher wrote:

@carpcruncher wrote:

I did pre-warn people about those that did not show on the day of The Barston Masters on Not letting me know that they was not going to attend. I had two No shows on the day , which will now “NOT be fishing any of the rounds…

Terry Fishgold
Steve Lamb

….It only takes a phone call or message on one of the many sites this match is advertised on!!

Lee

No Mention Of Trueblue there?? He has decided to involve himself in this. I have made my point , and I stand by what I have said and what I have done.

End!!

Not a problem CC but hey the vultures will still be feeding.

Just out of interest?

I apologised on behalf of Terry when i arrived at Barston just before the draw. I also apologised again after the draw instead of running off to my peg. I made it clear that Terry,s none attendance was unavoidable!

I presume you were the person at the draw that TB spoke to, explained the absence?

Justification really shouldn’t be neccessary Lee, and whether the majority of people agree or not shouldn’t matter either, you are the organiser and what you say goes, simple as!
For those who have come to the realisation that they are not happy with the arrangements and rules then the option is there to withdraw from the remaining qualifiers, and there are guys waiting in the wings who will be only too happy to fill their places.
Not sure what is to be gained from this thread continuing, can only see the posts becoming more and more invidiuous the longer it continues.
Time to agree or agree to disagree I reckon and draw a line under the whole thing.
Keep up the good work mate.

Bit of reverse psychology going on me thinks.~think

@FISHER-PRICE wrote:

Justification really shouldn’t be neccessary Lee, and whether the majority of people agree or not shouldn’t matter either, you are the organiser and what you say goes, simple as!
For those who have come to the realisation that they are not happy with the arrangements and rules then the option is there to withdraw from the remaining qualifiers, and there are guys waiting in the wings who will be only too happy to fill their places.
Not sure what is to be gained from this thread continuing, can only see the posts becoming more and more invidiuous the longer it continues.
Time to agree or agree to disagree I reckon and draw a line under the whole thing.
Keep up the good work mate.

There was never a point to the thread THAT is the whole point. It reflects the net and human nature at its worst.

My take, ideally, the person concerned unless too ill to do so should have telephoned. However, given trublue spoke to carpcruncher at the match then carpcruncher should have said there and then sorry Steve but rules are rules unless exceptional circumstances, X is now banned. He can contact me if he wishes to discuss it and/or apologise – ALL PRIVATE / NO NET, NO VULTURES LOOKING TO HAVE A GO AT TB

CC, yes that is practice but I can tell you it sometimes does not happen too and 99.9% of the time there is a very good genuine reason.

Keep up the good work CC, match organising is a very difficult task.

To the vultures, grow up.

The whole saga is a pointless bad use of the net.

Well said NWCA, couldn’t agree more.
Goodnight all.

last august while loading up my van for a match, I was struck down with the most unbelievable stomach pain, I literally crawled back into my house, where I made one phone call, not to the match organiser but for an ambulance!

I was rushed into hospital with a burst appendix, eight hrs after arriving at hospital I got the chance to call my ex wife to let her and my kids know where I was.

I can honestly say rightly or wrongly that calling anyone about a fishing match was the last thing on my mind.

Well put NWCA.

Not involved in this event at all. But as a match organiser myself it saddens me to see this once great sport disappearing up its own arse.
Too many people on this site take the whole thing far too seriously.

oy stop havin a go at true blue~naughty he,s my hero~clap ~clap ~clap

NWCA why o why do you always feel the need to preach in these situations lol your very quick to jump to Trueblues defence and accusing Lee of grandstanding
Read back will you Trueblue was the one who spat his dummy and asked to be took off the list even though he wasn’t mentioned in the original post, he chose to do this on the open forum and not via pm therefore setting himself up for people to comment.Yet you criticise Lee for it?????

As for there being no point to the thread you really don’t get it do you?? Lee is trying to stamp out noshows so they don’t bugger up his series and the last 3 pages should help and I doubt he will have to do it again

Yawwwwwwnnnnnnn!!!

Lee’s match,
Lee’s rules,
Lee’s prerogative what he writes on a forum!!

Everyone knew the rules!

No shows for whatever reason are a match organisers nightmare and can spoil the day for others…. “it only takes a call”

Lee if people can’t accept or play by the rules make everyone pay up front in full, if they don.t turn up it doesn’t matter so much

@Simon P wrote:

Yawwwwwwnnnnnnn!!!

Lee’s match,
Lee’s rules,
Lee’s prerogative what he writes on a forum!!

Everyone knew the rules!

No shows for whatever reason are a match organisers nightmare and can spoil the day for others…. “it only takes a call”

Well said, nobody has been forced to enter the match…. They new the rules if you dont like them at the outset dont enter, simple!

i love a good old slangin match me !!!!
but im more of a say it to yer face sort of person, all this bitchin from behind a pc screen really chaps my ass !!!!
just a bit gutted it aint got nowt to do with me !!!
someone call me a name or summat please!!!
so i can ask for or send you me number so we can arrange to sort it out face to face like real men !!!!!
ive fought pikey’s for money so you set of faggots have got nowt to come !!!!
oh,, except two’s !!!! i give them jocks a wide birth,, they eat there own young !!!!
~sick ~sick ~sick ~sick ~sick
has me in stitches this matchfishing lark!!
why cant we all just get along !!!!
PMSL !!!

NWCA……

Surely a call that last ten seconds to the organiser before starting the journey down isn’t unrealistic is it?….

I have a travel partner and we muck in for each other, it’s all part of the game….

As a fellow organiser of matches which many people do for no remuneration at all, I get soooooooo p!ssed off with people who only think of themselves when it comes to fishing a match…..

Money, pegging, parking, breakfast….. the list goes on and on….. all our responsibilities in the eyes of anglers who think they have no need to reciprocate in any way what so ever….

Match anglers at their worst are the most selfish of individuals…..

@justin case wrote:

Lee if people can’t accept or play by the rules make everyone pay up front in full, if they don.t turn up it doesn’t matter so much

This is the only thing on this thread that makes sense, it would stop all the bickering

@justin case wrote:

Lee if people can’t accept or play by the rules make everyone pay up front in full, if they don.t turn up it doesn’t matter so much

This is the only thing on this thread that makes sense, it would stop all the bickering

had another two chanuks come into the new hospital in Birmingham today……wonder how many boys they brought home…..

@GLEBE1

“NWCA why o why do you always feel the need to preach in these situations “

Because he’s a School Teechuh.

Programmed to speak AT instead of TO people.

Instinctively leapt to the defence of a fellow tax-payer funded comrade.

Standby for edict on what to read and watch.

I,ve not fallen out with Lee as a few on here seem to think. I know he just wants the best event possible and he has put a lot of time and effort in to getting it off the ground. I just feel that based on the circumstances. He has gone too fare in banning Terry from this competition. If anything, it was my responsibility to contact Lee on the morning of the match.

Terry did his bit by phoning me to let me know that he was ill and unable to drive or even fish the match. This resulted in me having to change my plans to get to Barston for the match. Not as easy as some might think and Lee does know this!

I did what i believed was right at the time in getting myself to the match before the draw and explained and apologising on Terry,s behalf. More than the other no show managed to do but the same punishment for both.

Banning anglers without taking everything in to consideration is over the top in my opinion. A no show without an explanation before the draw deserve to be named, shamed and banned. This was not the case in this situation.

The last thing on my mind at 5,30AM in the morning was to switch my computer on and find Lee,s phone number. I had fare to much to do to change my travel arrangements so i could get to Barston on time.

In hindsight, i should have just phoned Lee at 5,30AM and explained that Terry was ill and so both of us where unable to attend. That would have potentially been yet another angler not attending this match. However, both would be fishing in the next rounds.

Its ok for other to say they would do this or that. You where not in Terry,s or my situation on the morning of the match. Based on the number of no shows we see at other big matches and club events. Most of you would have been no shows. So, your talking though there backsides!

I hope none of you get ill or break down on the motorway without a signal or credit on your phone while on your way to a match. You will find yourselves named, shamed and banned though no fault of your own!

Actually statistically a car breaking down on the motorway due to anything other than negligence on behalf of the owner is a very rare occurrence.

@Irk the purists wrote:

NWCA……

Surely a call that last ten seconds to the organiser before starting the journey down isn’t unrealistic is it?….

I have a travel partner and we muck in for each other, it’s all part of the game….

As a fellow organiser of matches which many people do for no remuneration at all, I get soooooooo p!ssed off with people who only think of themselves when it comes to fishing a match…..

Money, pegging, parking, breakfast….. the list goes on and on….. all our responsibilities in the eyes of anglers who think they have no need to reciprocate in any way what so ever….

Match anglers at their worst are the most selfish of individuals…..

Irk I could not agree more. My take was and it was stated that ideally you would make that call.

I also rightly stated that there were occasions when I am sorry but a call is not made, I used the serious illness as an example. I gave the scenario of a man having a heart attack. NOW I DEFY ANYBODY, ANY MATCH ORGANISERS to tell me a man being rushed to hospital fighting for his life should be expected to make a phone call to tel a match organiser that he cannot attend a fishing match. To me it called perspective.

1) So yes the angler in this ascenario should have rung unless the illness prevented it

2) Lee could have told TB at the match when he apologised on behalf of his travel partner that rules are rules and you partner is banned. FACE TO FACE none of this net grandstanding.

3) The whole thread was pointless. Totally. Lee created it

4) After being told by TB why his partner would not be attending, Lee made this thread seemingly oblivious to the conversation that took place on the day. So TB had to enter the thread. IMO, at this point and from the point he created the thread Lee is at fault.

5) TB is opinionated, more often right than wrong, makes some fantastic posts. Some vultures turned a bad thread into lets hurl crap at TB. These vulture were more interested in having a go at TB. The match, the reality were irrelevant.

So yes the angler should have rung, yes Lee should have told TB that the angler was now banned, yes Lee should never have created the thread. The vultures should not have used the thread to have a go at TB.

Match organisers organise matches because THEY WANT TO, THEY ENJOY IT. Most people would not and are far too selfish to do so but lets not have any bleeding heart attacks as if a no show is like cutting the leg off a match organiser. It is not. It is inconvenient, it is hassle. Something (inconvenience/hassle) we all deal with nearly every day.

Similarly, does anybody expect TB to continue attending matches with such travel distance / petrol costs without his travel partner? The harsh reality of life is that the cost is now probably/certainly prohibitive. Still why let that get in the way of a have a go at TB opportunity.

This is my take

So yes the angler should have rung, yes Lee should have told TB at the match that the angler was now banned, yes Lee should never have created the thread. The vultures should not have used the thread to have a go at TB. The thread shows why the net can be a negative not a positive.

@GLEBE1 wrote:

NWCA why o why do you always feel the need to preach in these situations lol your very quick to jump to Trueblues defence and accusing Lee of grandstanding
Read back will you Trueblue was the one who spat his dummy and asked to be took off the list even though he wasn’t mentioned in the original post, he chose to do this on the open forum and not via pm therefore setting himself up for people to comment.Yet you criticise Lee for it?????

As for there being no point to the thread you really don’t get it do you?? Lee is trying to stamp out noshows so they don’t bugger up his series and the last 3 pages should help and I doubt he will have to do it again

Read my last post

I think both the angler and Lee were wrong. Was TB wrong? Wasn’t he the one who travelled a great distance, at great cost, told Lee what had happened. ARE YOU TELLING ME THIS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH THERE AND THEN?

I read several people using the thread as a fee pass to attack an innocent angler, TB and thought I would redress the balance.

I hate bullying!!

So when I see people bullying someone then I will say what I have to say.

Lee will continue to organises matches because he enjoys it, TB will not be attending (I presume the cost now makes it pointless) The thread was pointless and allowed bullying/baiting that is common place on the net to occur.

I love you Rob, you confused capitalist ~clap

4 pages of this crap? You moaning lot should all f@@k off and fish a match together. Just cancel the barston masters if this is what it’s going to be like every month.

Lee you made the rules, banned two people and made everybody aware of it on here.

Don’t even reply to these posts, just use your time to concentrate on the remaining matches.

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

@GLEBE1 wrote:

NWCA why o why do you always feel the need to preach in these situations lol your very quick to jump to Trueblues defence and accusing Lee of grandstanding
Read back will you Trueblue was the one who spat his dummy and asked to be took off the list even though he wasn’t mentioned in the original post, he chose to do this on the open forum and not via pm therefore setting himself up for people to comment.Yet you criticise Lee for it?????

As for there being no point to the thread you really don’t get it do you?? Lee is trying to stamp out noshows so they don’t bugger up his series and the last 3 pages should help and I doubt he will have to do it again

Read my last post

I think both the angler and Lee were wrong. Was TB wrong? Wasn’t he the one who travelled a great distance, at great cost, told Lee what had happened. ARE YOU TELLING ME THIS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH THERE AND THEN?

I read several people using the thread as a fee pass to attack an innocent angler, TB and thought I would redress the balance.

I hate bullying!!

So when I see people bullying someone then I will say what I have to say.

Lee will continue to organises matches because he enjoys it, TB will not be attending (I presume the cost now makes it pointless) The thread was pointless and allowed bullying/baiting that is common place on the net to occur.

Who is bullying who?? Doesnt look like there is any bullying to me…