The spirit is as important as the winning.In the past I have had a laugh at people who “stretch” the rules.1 can of corn only (catering can).Size 12 max hook (Mustad method feeder barbless).Some people may think its clever but I think its cheating.

No this is not cheating, he has done the right thing, i would do the same tactic in the summer months where ever i can, you will hook most fish im the mouth which is alot better for the fish, but i have never used a spade before, but by the time i have finished it looks like i have.

I would say that it is pre-baiting your swim and the newly introduced turf/sod will have attracted the fish’s attention long before the groundbait is introduced.

Anyone trying that on any of my matches would get an immediate disqualification and would not be asked back.

I have no problem with people trimming bank vegetation above the waterline with the owners permission, but to interfere with the bank or the bottom I do.

Cheating barsteward!
Mind you it doesn’t surprise me most matches i fished last winter a lot of the blokes looked like they NEEDED to win.
Scruffy looking downtrodden bunch most with tackle worth more than their car.
When it becomes all about the money which it undoubtably has for some your right some men would stand on their mothers neck for the brown envelope.
Ask yourself would you see someone like Bob Nudd bringing a spade with him to a match?
I seriously doubt it.

I’m not sure it could be classed as “Cheating” as there is probably not a rule that says he can’t do it. However, every match angler in their right mind knows you shouldn’t do it and if I was the fishery owner then they wouldn’t be coming back to my fishery.

Unfortunately with money involved, some anglers are always looking for an advantage, fair or foul.

i have to agree with my learnered friend pikey…. 😮

@dirkdiggler wrote:

Cheating barsteward!
Mind you it doesn’t surprise me most matches i fished last winter a lot of the blokes looked like they NEEDED to win.
Scruffy looking downtrodden bunch most with tackle worth more than their car.
When it becomes all about the money which it undoubtably has for some your right some men would stand on their mothers neck for the brown envelope.
Ask yourself would you see someone like Bob Nudd bringing a spade with him to a match?
I seriously doubt it.

😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 top answer
mindyou some commercials do need a bit of TLC for the money they charge 😉

It’s not matchfishing you’re disillusioned with codhead, it’s people.
And it’s cheating. ‘Gardening’ is one thing but landscaping is another matter altogether.

Are the county champs matches not fished in line with the Angling Trust model match rules? If so I’m sure they only allow you to break the water to position keepnets, banksticks tackle boxes, set rigs, plumb up, get water to wet bait and clear weed. Cant ever recall anything about re-landscaping the fishery.

One of the big tackle companies will now be bringing out a match mans foldable shovel in club colours.seriously though not in the spirit of match fishing and must of broke the at,s model match rules which I would think all the county champs should of been fished to.

Its not cheating as the fishery owner said it was allowed. He makes the rules as its his water.

However, if it continues to be allowed. There,s going to be a very big lake on his venue in a few years time. Gardening is one thing. Digging the lake out is another thing all together.

Seen this before at the glebe by a regular in a 2 day charity event. An angler dug out the fare side of the lake for the feeder line in an event where the draw was done the night before the match. Fishery owner said it was ok. Very charitable!

You shouldnt be allowed to F£$k about with any sort of trimming and gardening when fishing matches, my opinion.

This is one of the reasons that i think all matches should be run to angling trust rules and to be able to compete in any match anglers would have to me a member of the governing body, if the sport is to move on and away from our current mickey mouse operations to a professional level this has to happen in my book, anglers are there own worst enemies always looking for an unfair edge that borders on bending the rules. or pleading ignorence when challenged, feeding with a pole pot whilst on the feeder is a classic case of using two rods at once, the amount of times I have seen anglers do this at the next peg is unreal, we really do need to operate on a more pro basis, fishery owners should play a part to bring this about, match organisers need to ensure that these cheats/ bandits are disqualified as they are pocketing the money of the more honest upstanding anglers of which our beloved sport abounds, one or two spoil it for the majority, a win at any cost mentality is why match attendences dwindle.

I remember one match where no floating baits were allowed the angler in question won the match using floating maggots, after an inquest the angler who is very, very well known was allowed to keep the match winnings because his bait wasn’t floating on the surface but as he put it semi suspended. What a load of Bo*locks, no floating baits is as said no floating baits.

The cutting may be ok, but letting stuff break
Surface of the water is breaking rules.
I’ve never done this when fishing, other night
I trimmed the girlfriends bush before the all in
Very nice to .

[quote=”TrueBlue”

Seen this before at the glebe by a regular in a 2 day charity event. An angler dug out the fare side of the lake for the feeder line in an event where the draw was done the night before the match. Fishery owner said it was ok. Very charitable![/quote]

No you havent seen this happen at the Glebe,the match you refer to no one “dug” anything, they merely cleared and flattened their far bank swims of overhanging reeds and debris which Roy allows, the upshot of this is there is no trailing line anywhere in the Glebe, good for the angler, good for the wildlife!!

Name and shame the angler involved,if he or she did it then they think it’s ok

[quote=”TrueBlue” Seen this before at the glebe by a regular in a 2 day charity event. An angler dug out the fare side of the lake for the feeder line in an event where the draw was done the night before the match. Fishery owner said it was ok. Very charitable!

Seems that you know which match im on about, Glebe1. Quite a few anglers that where not very happy about what went on.

[quote=”Glebe1″ No you havent seen this happen at the Glebe,the match you refer to no one “dug” anything, they merely cleared and flattened their far bank swims of overhanging reeds and debris which Roy allows, the upshot of this is there is no trailing line anywhere in the Glebe, good for the angler, good for the wildlife!!

Glebe1, If it needed doing. Then Roy or his fishery team should have done it on all pegs well before the draw for the match in question. It should not be done by individuals after the draw to gain an advantage over the other anglers.

The fact that you know of the match im on about. Shows that there was an issue that anglrs where unhappy about. Quite a bit more than a bit of gardenng to remove a few dead reeds or a piece of line hanging from a tree!

glebe 1 whats the point in roy planting shrubs if some idiot butchers it so he can fish tight to the bank one sad looking tree maulered by a regular on a recent visit sad too see but hey hoy if you must win at all costs :confused: :confused:

@TrueBlue wrote:

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Glebe1, If it needed doing. Then Roy or his fishery team should have done it on all pegs well before the draw for the match in question. It should not be done by individuals after the draw to gain an advantage over the other anglers.
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Since when did you make the rules for his fishery Trueblue?? Thats just your opinion.Maybe you should email Roy to tell him where he’s going wrong.
Your original post suggested that they did the same as what the thread starter described ie digging and dumping the spoil in the lake that simply didnt happen!!

What the lads did is an accepted practice that goes on week in week out, in fact i did it myself on Wednesdays match and went on to win the lake, no one batted an eyelid.

PTB which peg are you talking about?

Glebe1, as i stated in my 1st poste on this thread. The fishery owner said it was ok. So, its ok because its his fishery. It still does not mean that it is right or fair to all anglers. Is it cheating? No! Is it good tactics? yes, if you can do it. Is it fair to all anglers? No!

Should it be banned? Yes! Thats just my opioion, Glebe1. The reason why i think it should be banned is simple. Its the fishery owners job! If he does it. Then, its the same for everyone and so makes thing fair to all the anglers! That should be the basis of all match rules!

Why where anglers not very happy with what went on at the Glebe as you know which match im talking about, Glebe1?

@TrueBlue wrote:

Glebe1, as i stated in my 1st poste on this thread. The fishery owner said it was ok. So, its ok because its his fishery. It still does not mean that it is right or fair to all anglers. Is it cheating? No! Is it good tactics? yes, if you can do it. Is it fair to all anglers? No!

Should it be banned? Yes! Thats just my opioion, Glebe1. The reason why i think it should be banned is simple. Its the fishery owners job! If he does it. Then, its the same for everyone and so makes thing fair to all the anglers! That should be the basis of all match rules!

Why where anglers not very happy with what went on at the Glebe as you know which match im talking about?

If clearing the far bank is allowed then surely thats fair to all anglers?? just like fishing a method or floating pole, no one can claim an angler has an advantage if everyone is permitted to do it.

As most of the people fishing the match werent members they were probably unaware that gardening was allowed and therefore jumped to the conclusion that the lads “cheated”

I think on the occasion you are talking about the problem was that the draw for the Day 2 match was done after the Day 1 match. Any anglers wishing to do so could then go and clear their far banks. I think the thing that miffed people was the unknown as they could have done anything whilst nobody else was watching.

I also remember fishing a match in the Angling Times Winter League on the River Mole where a very very well known match angler changed the flow by moving a load of big rocks about in his peg to make it easier to fish !

The things some anglers will do just to try and win a fishing match !

By my interpretation of the Angling Trust match rules it’s cheating!

As for the fishery manager saying it’s okay, that really should make no difference if the match is fished to Trust rules! What next, the owners mates fishing with two rods ‘cos they said it’s okay 😮 sorry, it’s not on. Maybe we can all ball it in with leam or molehill soil before a match, after all,the fish don’t eat it……

name and shame

A lot did not know about the fare bank gardening rule, Pikey. It was kept very quiet. It was a charity match but a few Glebe members fished it and where in the know. Anything could have happened including pre baiting. Who knows what was taken away or added to the peg!

One of my mates fished a peg on day 1 and struggled to catch anything across. Day 2 and the peg across looked completely different. 200lb+ later and the match was won off that peg. Those around him struggled. It was much more than removing a bit of dead reed, over hanging grass or an over grown branch with a bit of line on it. The peg was completly different from the day before.

Glebe1, not every angler is fit enough or wants to do the type of gardening that where talking about and most anglers dont normally carry the tools to do a proper job, either. Thats why i suggest that its not fair to all anglers. Its match angling and not a gardening competition where the best gardeners win. The fishery team should maintain the banks. Then its the same for everybody and no complaints about cheating. Afterall, thats part of the reason why we pay our peg fees! The rules should be in place to benefit all the anglers equally while taking into account the health of the fish and all the anglers.

Trueblue I refer you to my previous post as I can’t be bothered to repeat myself, you obviously don’t know the venue as your comments about the 200lb weight and the anglers around it struggling shows, that’s what normally happens when there’s a big weight on the feeder, nothing dodgy or suspicious about that.
Roll on tomorrow, I’ve got my cordless strimmer in the van ready!!

Enjoy the gardening!

Trueblue and glebe, fancy a threesome? You two could trim my bush while arguing like little bitches.

Dave unless you have a ripped phyisque it’s probably not a good look for you mate :p

4 times a week in the gym…

Geoff Capes used to do 5 but I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near that bush 😮

Sam, let’s make it a 4 way.

Sorry i did not read the previous posts but is this somthing to do with some bloke fishing in a bush? 😮

are you kicking off again GLEBE1 !!! you really need to take a couple of JP2 pellets to carm down 😀 😀

@joffmiester wrote:

are you kicking off again GLEBE1 !!! you really need to take a couple of JP2 pellets to carm down 😀 😀

Who me? never!! just trying to put the record straight me old

While we are on the subject of clearing swims mate, what do you use to scrape the duckweed off that poxy river????lolol

@GLEBE1 wrote:

@joffmiester wrote:

are you kicking off again GLEBE1 !!! you really need to take a couple of JP2 pellets to carm down 😀 😀

Who me? never!! just trying to put the record straight me old

While we are on the subject of clearing swims mate, what do you use to scrape the duckweed off that poxy river????lolol

😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 we normally put on the hook and bag with quality roach mate 😉 😉 😉 ever seen one mate 😀 😀 😀

one the point about gardening if any of the lads have even more spare time the river soar could do with your sort 😀 😀 😀 😀
still the last time i was up the glebe everyone just got all there top three’s out already set up and were ready for the off in ten minutes, know wonder they have time to tidy up the margins 😀 😀 i’m sure if you asked roy you could put a few flower beds in as well 😀 😀 😀

@TrueBlue wrote:

Its not cheating as the fishery owner said it was allowed. He makes the rules as its his water.

However, if it continues to be allowed. There,s going to be a very big lake on his venue in a few years time. Gardening is one thing. Digging the lake out is another thing all together.

Seen this before at the glebe by a regular in a 2 day charity event. An angler dug out the fare side of the lake for the feeder line in an event where the draw was done the night before the match. Fishery owner said it was ok. Very charitable!

You really do need to get your facts correct before posting lies on this thread,i know which event your on about and as chris has said the far bank was trimmed AND NOT dug with a spade which you quote you actually saw!!! :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

As for pre-baiting lol do you know how many fish are in pool 1?…Well theres quite alot and you would need to feed a few tons to keep them in a peg for 16 hours 😮

The 2nd day has and always will fish better!,it happens time after time at the Glebe so too presume its skullduggery is wrong 🙁

To be honest the lad or lads in question are awesome on the feeder which would probably be the reason they caught better than the previous anglers on that peg on day 1 and not so much the far bank trimming being an advantage…

I think you should remove your scandalous remark 😮

I am a little fed up of the antics too and do not fish any where near the number of matches I used to.Some of these posts show why.

Kev34, there have been no lies told. You where not there on the evening before the match. So, you cannot defend any of those actions or what potentially did happen!

Does not matter how good the angler is or if you would trust him with your life. Anything could have happened and that left him open to claims of cheating. However, the peg did look completely dfferent the following morning.

Its something that most honest match anglers would not do. Its not win at all costs for most of us!

Just because a fishery owner says its ok. Does not always mean that its the right thing to do.

i was on the match in question and i dont think people are in the dark about trimming your peg before the all in,the 2 lads were on about had drew there pegs for day 2 and gone back later to the glebe when everybody fishing the matches had gone.they then did some gardening.i know the 2 lads and there ok and do very well at the glebe but in hindsight they shouldnt of gone back that night as it left them open to accussations from people who didnt know them,roy also gave them some serious earache as well.instead of getting the day 2 draw out of the way the same day its now done next morning when most people are seriously hung over. 😮

Well the lads at jcb lakes often get a JCB digger out to create a nice deep hole in the margins,in fact on one of the long reach diggers it makes a lovely level/deep 3ft hole 10mts out…………. 😀 😀 obviously not true but whatever next. 😮

@TrueBlue wrote:

Gardening is one thing. Digging the lake out is another thing all together.

Seen this before at the glebe by a regular in a 2 day charity event. An angler dug out the fare side of the lake for the feeder line in an event where the draw was done the night before the match. Fishery owner said it was ok. Very charitable!

Trueblue, just for clarity did you actually witness the angler on the far bank digging with a spade as this implies???

We don’t need a lecture, just a simple yes or no would suffice!!

@TrueBlue wrote:

Kev34, there have been no lies told. You where not there on the evening before the match. So, you cannot defend any of those actions or what potentially did happen!

Does not matter how good the angler is or if you would trust him with your life. Anything could have happened and that left him open to claims of cheating. However, the peg did look completely dfferent the following morning.

Its something that most honest match anglers would not do. Its not win at all costs for most of us!

Just because a fishery owner says its ok. Does not always mean that its the right thing to do.

Im a member as well as chris (glebe1)and know the pegs very well ,saturday morning i saw peg 20 which said angler was on as my m8 was down on peg 27.The peg had a very nice haircut(more like a no1) but nothing more (was you there i was!!!)..

You said no one caught over first day well your wrong as i know for FACT that

Peg 12 144-6
Peg 22 93-10
peg 30 114-4
Peg 14 86-7
Peg 28 91-0

By the way mick on peg 22 second day had 135lb and 90lb came off it previous day(i guess he spaded his peg did he?)

You don`t paint a VERY good picture of the members of the glebe with accusations like these which is what they are 😡

Win at all costs anglers. Dont you just love them!

Is that a yes or a no??? you either witnessed it or you didn’t!!
If you haven’t the decency to reply you should at the very least edit your original post.

@mauler7 wrote:

name and shame

Shame who? i and plenty of regulars clear the farbank and trim margins so you don`t really need that individuals name as thats all he did :confused:

@TrueBlue wrote:

A lot did not know about the fare bank gardening rule, Pikey. It was kept very quiet. It was a charity match but a few Glebe members fished it and where in the know. Anything could have happened including pre baiting. Who knows what was taken away or added to the peg!

One of my mates fished a peg on day 1 and struggled to catch anything across. Day 2 and the peg across looked completely different. 200lb+ later and the match was won off that peg. Those around him struggled. It was much more than removing a bit of dead reed, over hanging grass or an over grown branch with a bit of line on it. The peg was completly different from the day before.

Glebe1, not every angler is fit enough or wants to do the type of gardening that where talking about and most anglers dont normally carry the tools to do a proper job, either. Thats why i suggest that its not fair to all anglers. Its match angling and not a gardening competition where the best gardeners win. The fishery team should maintain the banks. Then its the same for everybody and no complaints about cheating. Afterall, thats part of the reason why we pay our peg fees! The rules should be in place to benefit all the anglers equally while taking into account the health of the fish and all the anglers.

You really are (modded – be careful what you say please) 😮

Get your facts right it was 193lb and your m8 who fished first day and never caught over was probably —- at casting like myself,i have sat next to good anglers up there like glebe1 and been battered by them as there ability far outweighs mine 😀 .But you just put it down too cheating well you are talking rubbish,you have nothing to back up any statements including saying no one caught 1st day over…Oh you are one and thats why you get banned from forums and no one likes you 😮 Modded – langauge

Quality deano dont hold back 😉

Redarmy explained what went on. Enough said!

deano1, edit your poste like a good lad before Geeps bans you.

You bunch of cheats.

im just waiting for trueblues answer to glebe1 question…..yes or no…….there will always be contronersy in match fishing…allways has been and always will be were pound notes are involved

no wonder match fishing is in the state it is !! i know most of the lads that fish the glebe and you couldn’t find a nicer bunch of lads even though i give them some stick .but the the picture you are painting on this topic is fare from that !! cheating or not !! this topic wants finishing NOW before the reputation of these anglers is tarnished anymore
the john blunt of this topic needed sorting there and then!!! not weeks later on a website and in the future make sure you know the rules as roy is always on hand not like other fisheries

Over the years I have heard what an amazing fishery the Glebe is, and that it is really well looked after. In fact on more than one occassion I have heard the term “immaculate”.

Now I’m reading members take strimmers and all-sorts to matches – was that tongue in cheek?

I have been thinking of joining the Glebe for a while, but not if I have to shell out a few hundreds quid a year to then have to do strimming at my peg when I get there! I am quite happy to do working parties as part of my membership, but seriously how much of the “strimming/pruning” really goes on in matches?

Cheers lads

There you go Trueblue, the above post demonstrates the damage you have/are causing with your lies and comments.

What you have done is (scuse the pun) dug up an isolated incedent that happened over 2 years ago, put your own twist on it then proceeded to jump on your moral high horse and gallop along for over 5 pages fueling your pathetic ego.During which you have critisized the fishery,its members and the owner, accused them of cheating and winning at all costs and calling into question their integrity and mentality, thus painting a poor picture of the place.
All of this bolstering up your original post which i and others have challenged as we know for fact what you posted isnt true.

How dare you now try and hide behind Redarmy’s post, he gave an honest account of the circumstances etc and then added he knows the anglers and they are ok,its so far removed from what you have said.

Time to cut the crap,i’ll ask the same question again

DID YOU SEE ANYBODY DIGGING THE FAR BANK WITH A SPADE????
YES OR NO????

Tommo, its a shame you’ve read this and come to that conclusion, i can assure you the Strimmer and lawnmower remarks were sarcasm.

Roy runs a fantastic fishery which is a pleasure to fish IMO. I would not hesitate to recommend it to anyone. The original post talked about his disillusion with match fishing due to swims being doctored and I agree with him. It sounds like there may have been some similar tinkering going on at Roys place on one charity match years ago, which is disputed, but in any event the pre night draw has now been stopped so its not an issue any more.
I think we all agree the win at all cost mindset for a few quid is not good for match fishing, period. Someone will disagree and end up fishing a match on their own.

I have now edited my original post to stop confusion 😉

But my original quote still stands

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Glebe1, the only thing i have said about the Glebe and the way that it is run is to suggest that the fishery staff should do the gardening before matches. Its then the same for all anglers! As you say. Roy runs a great fishery and on the few visits i,ve had. I,ve had a fantastic time. I,ve even considered joining myself but its a bit fare to travel every week.

As pointed out by Redarmy. Roy himself was unhappy and had a chat with the angler and has since changed the way that match is run. You agree that Redarmy,s account of what went on is correct.

Glebe1, im not going to give you a YES or No. But, i will ask you a question. Did YOU or anybody else see what went on? You can give a simple YES or NO answer if you want! I already know the answer. None of us saw what went on and thats the point. The peg was completely different than the day before and Roy and some of the other anglers where not happy. To his credit. Roy did something about it.

Was it cheating or good tactics? You deside?

Well done deano1.

tommo

Over the years I have heard what an amazing fishery the Glebe is, and that it is really well looked after. In fact on more than one occassion I have heard the term “immaculate”.

Now I’m reading members take strimmers and all-sorts to matches – was that tongue in cheek?

I have been thinking of joining the Glebe for a while, but not if I have to shell out a few hundreds quid a year to then have to do strimming at my peg when I get there! I am quite happy to do working parties as part of my membership, but seriously how much of the “strimming/pruning” really goes on in matches?

For a start i have been a member about 7 years out last 11-12 and the place as a fishery is clean, tidy, and offers quite simply better weights than you will catch elsewhere.

You mentioned work parties and I know they have them at Mallory but whatever is done with vegetation at start of season when you are going through the summer it grows back – THATS A FACT.

Also on the feeder you also seem to generally catch far more fish the tighter you can get to the far bank, drop it to short and you wait for bites. The gardening they are talking about is generally pruning it back to enable a chuck tight over.

If everyone can do “pruning” prior to the match starting thats equal isnt it?

When I used to fish matches on a regular basis it was also my responsibility only to speak to bailiffs, owners, read rules boards etc to understand them fully -it appears some off here never did that!!! :confused:

Lastly the club matches are well attended and they split the money up into sections to give more people a chance at a drag back! This appeals to many as it gives more places to fish for, but hardly creates “a winner take all mentality at any cost”

This also was mentioned on here and the other fact is a vast majority of times you aint gonna take hundreds home even if you win -so is it going to draw this crowd?? 😉

Overall I wouldnt let it put you off Mallory this thread, its a bit over the top on whats stated.

dont let anything put you off joining the glebe if i lived 30-40 minutes nearer i would definately join.

@redarmy wrote:

dont let anything put you off joining the glebe if i lived 30-40 minutes nearer i would definately join.

Hope not lol 😮

it would be worth the membership to see deano casting into trees and fields 😀

@TrueBlue wrote:

Glebe1, im not going to give you a YES or No. .

Didnt think you would ,I just thought it would be nice to make it clear for the people like Tommo who don’t know the full facts, I think they will make their own conclusions as to who is telling the truth here especially as you refuse to answer my question and your posts are full of contradictions
it’s common knowledge the lads trimmed the pegs after the anglers had left the fishery, yet you claim to have seen them “digging the lake up”.

You are a bloody liar!! Man up and admit it will you and while your at it you could also remind us of where your extensive knowledge of the place comes from by telling us how many times you have fished it in the last 4 years.
People will then see how much substance your posts have

@redarmy wrote:

it would be worth the membership to see deano casting into trees and fields 😀

I once had a go with deanos rod after a match and chucked to his clip 😮

I went 12ft over the board on peg 82 lake 5,he doesnt punch his feeder he casts it up at 88 degrees it then comes down with snow on and lands 5 ft from the sleepers on farbank :confused:

Hes the only bloke i know who can chuck a feeder as hard as he can and land it perfectly on his 5m corn line with a large splodosh 🙂

I once had a go with deanos rod after a match and chucked to his clip

I went 12ft over the board on peg 82 lake 5,he doesnt punch his feeder he casts it up at 88 degrees it then comes down with snow on and lands 5 ft from the sleepers on farbank

LOL – hehehehehehe 😉 😀

@kev34 wrote:

@redarmy wrote:

it would be worth the membership to see deano casting into trees and fields 😀

I once had a go with deanos rod after a match and chucked to his clip 😮

I went 12ft over the board on peg 82 lake 5,he doesnt punch his feeder he casts it up at 88 degrees it then comes down with snow on and lands 5 ft from the sleepers on farbank :confused:

Hes the only bloke i know who can chuck a feeder as hard as he can and land it perfectly on his 5m corn line with a large splodosh 🙂

😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

Thanks fo the confirmations Glebe1 and the big fella.

I didn’t think for one minute that the venue would require regular pruning/strimming. I was hoping that the comments were sarcastic or tongue in cheek, and that has now been clarified. It’s very easy to take the written word on forums out of context, especially sarcasm if there aren’t lots of emoticons supporting it!

Thanks again guys. Continue to enjoy the good fishing at the Glebe and hopefully I will join you someday.