Heavier – is that any disadvantage ?

Bigger diameter sections – is that any disadvantage ?

Define better ?

When someone asks ‘what is the best pole ?’ it’s almost like asking how long is a piece of string. Different people want & need different things. What is deemed good by one angler may be unsuitable for,and slagged off by, another. Sometimes because their styles of fishing or technique are different and sometimes because one or other simply doesn’t know what he or she is talking about.

What matters is how any one item of tackle suits the individual. People seem to be constantly looking for the Holy Grail of poles (as well as rods, reels etc etc).

which sections are wider? thought they were all same top kits at least? if i was upgrading i’d want the tops and as much of everything else to fit as spares. anyway my Z9 doesn’t need upgrading as it does its job fine. coming up to 3 years now, not a mark on the joints and been out twice most weekend.

it depends on what you want from a pole
may be 2 totaly different poles
id go added weigh tand strenth anyday if ballanced well
its what you get used to and what you need

I have had a Z9 and now have a Z12. I have used it a few times and am very impressed. It has taken whats good about a Z9 and improved on it. The pole is at least as strong as a Z9 if not stronger. It may be a little heavier and maybe the diameter is wider by about 1mm but its not this that you notice. What you notice is that it is longer and stiffer than almost every other pole on the bank. I havn’t compared them all but i dont no any other pole that is bang on 16m. Because there is no need to cut the top kits back everything stays one length.

The Z12 is just the next generation of Browning Poles. There is nothing wrong at all with the Z9 its just pole evolution. I am suprised that people already have them, as i thoiught that the one in my office, was the only one in the country at the moment. But thinking about it, Browning must have had a delivery of them by now. Still a great pole with a superb spares package.

Mark – They came in the week before christmas and was shipped straight away after QC did there bit.

As for the weight of the Z12 its 1390g the Z9 was 1330g so its 60g heavier nothing when holding it at 16m

The Daiwa Airity is 1390g at 16m so its the same as the new Z12 Evolution.

The walls are ever so slightly biggers but if you can tell by the eye then you must be superman.

The whole Z12 concept is different and as Mark says its just the next generation of Browning poles. The package is also uniqe as you can tell us what top kits you want instead of getting what we give you. The pole protector system enables you to use a butt section if you like from 7m upwards. All the top kits (SLKs) are all 2 piece and pre bushed with internal PTFEs and thats on all the variations on kits.

Its the stiffest, well balanced pole on the market today, Ive had that direct from very well known NW tackle shops.

Have a look at this for more info http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDmw8n7wrh4

Of course im going to promote the Z12 Evo as I work for Browning. 😉

As a match fisherman would I still think its an awesome pole if I didnt work for them………………………..to bleeding right its cracking 😀

the only problem I can see for the Z12 is it worth another extra £700 for a revamped Z9 ? As others have said it is pricey and up there with the most expensive of poles like the airity as an example. I can’t wait to have a look at a z12 is it worth the extra ? Only the individual can decide.

go fondle one fred you will forget the price difference i want one even though my z9 is perfect

Browning are now selling some good gear. Poles, King Feeder rods, feeders and Black magic reels to mention a few items. The trouble is my local shops will not stock their goods because of their previous reputation. Come on Browning sort yourselves out and before the reps. jump in asking where my local shop is etc. start pushing your stuff!!!!!!!!! it’s good gear. :confused: :confused: :confused:

I am lucky and have a z12 having traded in my z9.

The z12 is heavier than the z9 as it longer!
The z9 is 16m with the traditional short number 1.
The z12 does not have this. The z12 number 1 does not need cutting back and is comparable with a normal number 2. I have the 4.5mm puller version and they will take a 15 purple.
So by losing the number 1 you need to get the length back lower down the pole, gaining half a metre lower down the pole will weigh more hence why the pole is heavier.
As you are using a pole with no cutting back it is longer.

Z9 top three, four and fives all fit the z12.

The z12 has some strengthening points on some sections so that will add some effect on weight as well.

Browning would be stupid to stop the Z9 as its still the best sub 2 grand pole on the market. I had a quick wigggle of a Z12 and its very good but decided to stick with my trusty Z9 throgh this summer and see if prices come down.
The best pole ive ever bought is a Z2 😀 would seriously recomend it to z9 owners as a summer bagging pole and backup as all sections will swap. I paid about 350 and a pole like this would have cost over a grand a few years ago. I hardly used my 9 last summer.

@Time Traveller wrote:

As mentioned earlier I’ve no issues with any Browning kit, can’t wait until the 23rd when mine arrives…. their first test, will it arrive on time !!!

Time Traveller,

Just to let you know the Z12s will be into Browning HQ on the 23rd and the be despacted to shops with orders that week. Wasnt to sure if your supplier had given you that infomation.

Thanks

Lee