My “pet” hate has always been those that carry on fishing after the whistle has blown, they look along the line and then shout up “is that it???”, then carry on fishing until told again. I always think that if you can’t beat me over five hours then hard luck, have another go in the next match. Unfortunatly most can, but a few always want an extra 30 seconds to make sure!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Ken

@kenwade wrote:

My “pet” hate has always been those that carry on fishing after the whistle has blown, they look along the line and then shout up “is that it???”, then carry on fishing until told again. I always think that if you can’t beat me over five hours then hard luck, have another go in the next match. Unfortunatly most can, but a few always want an extra 30 seconds to make sure!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Ken

Problem is, some organisers whisper “time”! I regularly don’t hear them! 😡

Big dislike of mine when the all out is shouted and certain individuals just sit there, its almost like there on video link on telly !

Fishing after the whistle goes on in probably 99% of matches, be it the guy who waits that extra 5 seconds to reel in on the tip or the guy who takes an age to ship his pole back!! It can really ruin a good day if you think you’ve been cheated out of coining. The answer to that is if you see it happening is to open your mouth – point out times up ( in a nice way obviously :rolleyes: ) at least that way it’ll highlight if anythings caught after! I know we’ve probably all done it at some stage, but its no good moaning and debating after the cash/points have been dolled out its too late and all your left with is a bad taste in your mouth……. Cheating goes on, it shouldnt but it does. The more we do and say when we see it happening can only be better for the sport.
Oh, if the guy who’s cheating is built like King Kong, prob a good idea to get your mate to say something 😀 😀 😀

Some people will always bend the rules they get noticed though

@kenwade wrote:

My “pet” hate has always been those that carry on fishing after the whistle has blown, they look along the line and then shout up “is that it???”, then carry on fishing until told again. I always think that if you can’t beat me over five hours then hard luck, have another go in the next match. Unfortunatly most can, but a few always want an extra 30 seconds to make sure!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Ken

Yeah couldnt agree more, I cant stand people doing that!

Other ones like people casting into your peg or fishing the pole past the boundary of the peg…

Unless someone shouts “fish on” as soon as the all out is called, surely any fish landed after the whistle don’t count?

@Gary wrote:

Unless someone shouts “fish on” as soon as the all out is called, surely any fish landed after the whistle don’t count?

dont stop them putting it in the net and denying it!

Its worse when your fishing a new venue or your not a regular and then you try and complain about someone in the clique…..

@kid_a wrote:

Its worse when your fishing a new venue or your not a regular and then you try and complain about someone in the clique…..

Yup, been there! I was on a group of pegs where there was a pole limit of 13m, the bloke opposite me was fishing 16m (I could clearly see three sections with graphics on over the water) It didn’t effect me as I won, but they were second and I pointed it out, before the weigh in (I knew I’d beaten him anyway, but it’s not the point). He denied it on the bank, but later in the shop admitted he had an extra section on, but said it was behind him to balance his pole. Total tosh as the bank is high behind those pegs.

I got a bit of banter over it (micky taking and ribbing rather than abuse), but nothing was ever done. I don’t know why those people were that way minded – I may have won the match, but he’d cheated them out of money as he finished 2nd, with fish caught how he shouldn’t have been fishing.

Rules regarding pole lengths can be very misleading, look at some of the posts on here comparing different makes of pole, it seems maybe only Garbolino measure up to the length the pole it is sold at. Then you get folk using short 4s etc and no 1s removed,so although it says 16 metre on the butt section you could be fishing well short of 15 metre so is it then ok to use an extension to take it back up to 16 metre ? I understand that some venues have posts that poles can be measured against, but I bet there’s more that don’t.Maybe the wording on the rules could be changed to say no fishing longer than a 16metre butt section, just my thoughts it would be interesting to hear what others think.I use a Daiwa pole and bought an extension for it, but have never used it as I wouldn’t want to be accused of cheating as the venues I fish have a 16 metre pole limit. Very confusing imo.

@kid_a wrote:

@kenwade wrote:

My “pet” hate has always been those that carry on fishing after the whistle has blown, they look along the line and then shout up “is that it???”, then carry on fishing until told again. I always think that if you can’t beat me over five hours then hard luck, have another go in the next match. Unfortunatly most can, but a few always want an extra 30 seconds to make sure!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Ken

Yeah couldnt agree more, I cant stand people doing that!

Other ones like people casting into your peg or fishing the pole past the boundary of the peg…

lol .. what about chuckin the lead in your swim… hmmmm lol

Cheaters I hate them full stop 😡 😡 !! If the money means that much get a propper job or win the lottery.. For the sake of a few extra coins, it amazes me the lengths anglers will go to. Too be honest the place I go to, If not freezing or pissing down with rain ! I would sometimes fish after the whistle.. Nothing would go in my net though..

I have no respect for anglers who cheat !!! The trouble is unless your 100% certain in your head unless totally blatant, your reluctant to say anything.. So its up to us honest anglers to bring it to light, and ban anyone cheating..

I’ve seen a few in my time and watched them pick their coin up without a care in the world.. They might as well be traffic wardens… As I say above unless your 100% certain in your head, these low lifes will continue at any cost…. 😡 😡 😡

@badger wrote:

Rules regarding pole lengths can be very misleading, look at some of the posts on here comparing different makes of pole, it seems maybe only Garbolino measure up to the length the pole it is sold at. Then you get folk using short 4s etc and no 1s removed,so although it says 16 metre on the butt section you could be fishing well short of 15 metre so is it then ok to use an extension to take it back up to 16 metre ? I understand that some venues have posts that poles can be measured against, but I bet there’s more that don’t.Maybe the wording on the rules could be changed to say no fishing longer than a 16metre butt section, just my thoughts it would be interesting to hear what others think.I use a Daiwa pole and bought an extension for it, but have never used it as I wouldn’t want to be accused of cheating as the venues I fish have a 16 metre pole limit. Very confusing imo.

The rule was “no fishing past the 13m marked section”! On the day in question I can’t have been the only one that saw it, the trouble is nobody wants to say anything 😡

@carpcruncher wrote:

@kid_a wrote:

@kenwade wrote:

My “pet” hate has always been those that carry on fishing after the whistle has blown, they look along the line and then shout up “is that it???”, then carry on fishing until told again. I always think that if you can’t beat me over five hours then hard luck, have another go in the next match. Unfortunatly most can, but a few always want an extra 30 seconds to make sure!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Ken

Yeah couldnt agree more, I cant stand people doing that!

Other ones like people casting into your peg or fishing the pole past the boundary of the peg…

lol .. what about chuckin the lead in your swim… hmmmm lol

Yeah exactly!

had it @ club level aswell was fishing a venue with 16m pole limit clearly explained by the baliff when the div in next peg shoves 20m out+floats it+starts emptying it i reminded him about the limit to which he said it doesnt apply if ur floating it :rolleyes: he won the match easily+nobody had the balls to disqualify him so i took my bat+ball home +never went again with said club 😡

@shep2 wrote:

had it @ club level aswell was fishing a venue with 16m pole limit clearly explained by the baliff when the div in next peg shoves 20m out+floats it+starts emptying it i reminded him about the limit to which he said it doesnt apply if ur floating it :rolleyes: he won the match easily+nobody had the balls to disqualify him so i took my bat+ball home +never went again with said club 😡

in my experience SOME (not all) club anglers are the worst of all for rule bending, claiming ignorance. That’s one reason i packed it in.

@lump wrote:

@shep2 wrote:

had it @ club level aswell was fishing a venue with 16m pole limit clearly explained by the baliff when the div in next peg shoves 20m out+floats it+starts emptying it i reminded him about the limit to which he said it doesnt apply if ur floating it :rolleyes: he won the match easily+nobody had the balls to disqualify him so i took my bat+ball home +never went again with said club 😡

in my experience SOME (not all) club anglers are the worst of all for rule bending, claiming ignorance. That’s one reason i packed it in.

I have to admit, I fish the odd open and then club matches and the majority of cheating ive witnessed, is in club matches, I think good calibre open match anglers have too much to lose, they dont want tarring with the cheating brush do they !!!!!

I was accused once and i can tell you it wasnt nice, i was fishing on the North bank on the fens, i got up to take a pee and as i undid my flies someone accused me of taking a 2lb eel to the match with me!!! :p 😀 😀

@shanieboy wrote:

I was accused once and i can tell you it wasnt nice, i was fishing on the North bank on the fens, i got up to take a pee and as i undid my flies someone accused me of taking a 2lb eel to the match with me!!! :p 😀 😀

Nice one Shanie 😀 😀
The story I heard, was bloodworm was banned in that match and you were trying to sneak one on the hook. 😮 :p 😀

The more rules you have. The more chance that some will make mistakes, bend or break those rules and some will attempt to cheat. No matter what the rules state. The rules for matches should be universal and simple for all to understand and police.

White Acres has had almost no issues with cheating for a very long time. There festivals are run to the very highest standard with the rules clear for all with bait and method checks on the bank by the fishery team. Very few methods banned and reasonable bait limits!

When i was growing up and learning about fishing. I knew the NFA match rules. Think we all knew the rules at that time. Now, every venue has its own rules. Some are crazy. Why ban paste on any venue that allows pellets or ground bait? Stupid imho. Part of the issue is other anglers getting on the fishery owners back to get methods or tactics or baits banned. This is cheating by using influence in an attempt to give themselves a better chance of winning!

@fish_silver wrote:

@shanieboy wrote:

I was accused once and i can tell you it wasnt nice, i was fishing on the North bank on the fens, i got up to take a pee and as i undid my flies someone accused me of taking a 2lb eel to the match with me!!! :p 😀 😀

https://www.total-fishing.com/phpbbforum/posting.php?mode=quote&f=45&p=322228#
Nice one Shanie 😀 😀
The story I heard, was bloodworm was banned in that match and you were trying to sneak one on the hook. 😮 :p 😀

you’re a bad man!! :p to be fair it was very cold! and at least you said a bloodworm not a joker 😀 😀

@badger wrote:

Rules regarding pole lengths can be very misleading, look at some of the posts on here comparing different makes of pole, it seems maybe only Garbolino measure up to the length the pole it is sold at. Then you get folk using short 4s etc and no 1s removed,so although it says 16 metre on the butt section you could be fishing well short of 15 metre so is it then ok to use an extension to take it back up to 16 metre ? I understand that some venues have posts that poles can be measured against, but I bet there’s more that don’t.Maybe the wording on the rules could be changed to say no fishing longer than a 16metre butt section, just my thoughts it would be interesting to hear what others think.I use a Daiwa pole and bought an extension for it, but have never used it as I wouldn’t want to be accused of cheating as the venues I fish have a 16 metre pole limit. Very confusing imo.

Yes, if you remove no.1 and use short 4, you can use another full extension, I have measured it! Why should you be forced to use long 4s and break them all the time!? 😮 I also don’t like using half butts as they are thinner, making them more uncomfortable to hold.

Naths right, defo with the tourney you’d be within the rules using an extra ext with 1’s out and a short 4. Problem is, to some it would look like cheating is going on when its not. All it takes, is for a bit of clarification at the draw surely, not hard is it……

@shanieboy wrote:

Naths right, defo with the tourney you’d be within the rules using an extra ext with 1’s out and a short 4. Problem is, to some it would look like cheating is going on when its not. All it takes, is for a bit of clarification at the draw surely, not hard is it……

Thanks for clearing that up.

A few years ago I fished the Kamasan final on a commercial fishery.

As you would expect, it had comfortable pegs for everyone to sit on and a comprehensive list of rules. One of these rules was a maximum pole length of 13m (it might have been 14.5m but the figure is irrelevant).

A TOP angler turned up with the mother of all platforms, which he set up with the front in the lake and the back on the peg/bank. When he put his kit on this it had the effect of pushhing him at least a meter out in the lake.

Is this cheating, gamesmanship, or inginuity?

On another occassion I fished a match on a very shallow venue where the craic was to wade out 7-8m, and set up a platform in 18 inches of water, and put your kit on this.

At the draw the organiser said “No wading past knee depth”.

A TOP angler was heard to say to TWO household names, “Are your knees in a different place to everybody elses”?

Everybody else was in more or less a straight line. These two chaps were a good pole section and a half further out in the lake.

Cheating, gamesmanship, or inginuity? How do you define knee deep?

It also happens at international level.

According to the rules you are not allowed inside your box before the first whistle, however you are allowed to fetch water to mix groundbait. Some countries use this rule to blatantly check their box out while the angler and a runner grab a bucket of water (not needed since their groundbait is already wet). I’m impressed that they need two persons to lift a bucket of water.

Some countries also register a runner as a member of the press. Since the press are allowed inside the boxes during competition, they are able to get a lot closer to a succesfull angler and spy on what bait, groundbait, leam etc. is used.

Over the years there have been numerous rumours of some high profile anglers having much more than the allowed 1 litre limit on jokers. Apparently hiding extra tubs in their luggage. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but the talk have been very persistent over the years.

I don’t know if it’s classed as cheating, but the Poles “forgot” to mention that they had restocked the Ulgi Channel on friday evening at last years EC. They didn’t gain much by doing it, but it certainly meant that all the practice was wasted as the target fish changed from the odd perch and eyeballs to tench, barbel, chub etc. I’m really not impressed by the last couple of championships in Poland.

Also, this is not a pick on the english team, I have never seen any of them involved in any of the above mentioned acts. They are also very approachable on the bank, being true ambassadors of our sport.

:confused: Must say I find the comments cheating is worse at club level quite odd. IMO, cheating at elite level where the example should be set is far worse and calculated. The first world feeder championship and Steve Ringer is cheated out of a gold medal yet nobody was prepared to stand tall and demand justice. I would have far more respect for Alex Bones if he had been extremely vocal in attacking such instances at an elite level or was he afraid to rock the boat when / were it truly mattered.

Second poor editorial by Alex and still babbling about internet forums. For forums, err a group of men/women in a pub, a group of matchmen awaiting a draw etc. No difference. Alex must have been a monk in his former life :rolleyes: Alex would do far better to read a Jon Arthur editorial.

I think if you take the “cheating is worse at club level” phrase, and take take it as “cheating occurs more often at club level”, that would be a more accurate statement.

Cheating is bad at any level no matter what, and no doubt more costly at a higher level, but what I’ve seen some club-level anglers (which I class myself as) try is beyond belief! Washing catmeat in large meshed landing nets before the whistle in their margin swim (then exclaiming “look at those fish in the edge feeding down there”!). Large amounts of bread drifting about where floating baits are banned, fishing beyond pole limits….. I could go on, and on and on!

The only cheating I’ve seen at W/A’s over the last year was one guy using 2 feeder rods one out to the far bank & one dropped in the margins, the other being a family swapping peg numbers after the draw for the rover match.

Swapping of numbers also occured at a EC a few years ago. Can’t remember the the team involved, but a couple of yellow cards were issued.

In all fairness I don’t think Steve Ringer was cheated from a Gold medal. The gold was won by a angler from Ukraine, who had two points, whereas Steve had 3 points. The only angler who beat Steve at the championship were dutch, so unless the dutch were cheating, I would say the statement is wrong. Regarding the team gold and the controversy with the russian team, then there were still 3 other teams ahead of the english, so again, I don’t think it’s fair to say the gold were lost due to cheating.

no knowledge myself its in angling times