I can’t see 1 for sale mate? Thinking of buying 1!

https://www.total-fishing.com/phpbbforum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=65448

Probsbly no better other than slude easy finish, just fancy 1!

Probably trading them in for the 901 😀

I’m thinking of getting the pole only deal, £2600. Would want the slide easy finish on butt sections if i was to buy a new pole. Would like to try the MAP but not buying without trying on bank!

Have you read the review by Alex Bones, he’s says it’s the best pole he’s ever picked by a mile, nothing out there to touch it he reckons :confused:

Yes, but he hasn’t tested it slapping at 17.5 and 19M!

True – I wouldn’t bench mark a pole by it’s slapability though, to me slapping has just got to stress carbon fibre and eventually something will give but I accept a lot of anglers do it and expect the pole to be up to the job, me, I would rather feed, lift and drop and watch others smash their prized possessions 😮

I slap a lot so need a pole that will cope, my browning z9 lasted 5 minutes! It is a widely used method nowadays so modern poles should be built to cope!

I know someone who could do with a good slap? 😉
Merry Xmas Nathan

That’s the problem though, top flight poles in order to be light and stiff have to have the high carbon content but then you want to stress the f**k out of the fibre and so by it’s nature it will fragment and break, basic physics. Only way to get the fibres to hold together is to add resin which will add strength but also weight.
Do you know of a flagship pole that has all these qualities, if you do then that’s the very one for you. I bet the Air doesn’t 😉

Happy with my tournament pro so i’d buy the air with confidence.

Well I’m selling my air if you fancy treating yourself Nathan

@Matchcarp wrote:

Have you read the review by Alex Bones, he’s says it’s the best pole he’s ever picked by a mile, nothing out there to touch it he reckons :confused:

plus he got one for free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@joe123 wrote:

Well I’m selling my air if you fancy treating yourself Nathan

how much? im after one text me on 07833188098

@joe123 wrote:

Well I’m selling my air if you fancy treating yourself Nathan

how much? im after one text me on 07833188098

Too much for me Joe, rather buy pole only new for £2600!

I know a few that have them or have had them, some have broke sections, 1 most sections! Some have broke none! I think a lot of breaks are caused by previous, invisible damage in transit to shops!

I’ve got one… Had it a year… Only faults are sections working loose, thought not so bad now it has worn in…
Seem a bit stronger on the section to an Airit, bit stiffer and the response is better…
The thing is… One year on, it’s wearing in! Most others are worn out after a year.

Wish they’d get rid of those crap big bore number ones!

That’s why I’ll be going pole only if i get 1 mate, that and top kits with holes in!!!!!!! 😮
Have you had a Tournament Pro in the past?

Yes…. And I’ve not long bought a T pro off a good mate that was retiring from fishing, more for sentiment really…
The air is more like an updated T pro… Rather than the next step from an Airity…

So ypu think the air is much better than the original pro?

Very similar to the original T pro…which still is one of the best poles!!
But easier to use…

Why, slide easy finish? No stiffer or Iighter?

for slapping id stick with the older poles more flexibility in the older poles the newer longer sections r far more stiffer at longer lengths to hit more bites with conventional deck fishing, just my opinion

@ian1980 wrote:

for slapping id stick with the older poles more flexibility in the older poles the newer longer sections r far more stiffer at longer lengths to hit more bites with conventional deck fishing, just my opinion

You talking about daiwa mate?

any, ive a z12 n i wouldnt like to think it would stand the test of time of slapping compared to the pro i had before,far too stiff to keep flicking rigs over something would definately go most likely the butt sections,but a brilliant pole for long deck fishing,had hold of an air other weekend its a pole in its own league for deck fishing.If u fish snake lakes or upto islands often at long distances then id defo say get an air

I have been using my Daiwa Air since July and must say in my honest opinion, it is the best pole I have ever used. Like all top end poles they are not cheap and the spares make these poles even more expensive but the spares pack with this pole is very good and if like me you used previous Daiwa poles made on this mandrel then the joints fit. I had the silver Airity before and when people ask me what is the difference at first when I picked it up in the garden I never really noticed straight away, when I got it on the bank and fished with it especially at longer lengths is when I did notice the difference. Seems to me that Daiwa have made this pole one joint better than the previous silver Airity and that was one joint better than the black version and we go on…

Daiwa have not compromised the strength of the pole, nor the balance. I agree with another poster who has mentioned the joints bedding in. I always find the joints bed in on the Daiwa poles reducing them coming apart. The Air joints seem to go in further than the previous Airity also. Yes you can tell i’am a massive fan of Daiwa poles, why?

I have owned and used poles since they came into the UK, I have also made rods and poles for a UK manufacturer and a number of things that stand out for me with Daiwa poles is that the joints are all consistent in length, the joints are all perfectly straight when you roll them on a flat surface, the tip sections cut perfectly with no splitting and no need to whip the top! The after sales service is second to none. The new poles are made with both commercial and the fishing on natural venues in mind which makes the Air a very good compromise. Daiwa keep making poles on the same mandrel which is great if you owned previous Daiwa poles. The elastics run perfectly smooth in the stiff tops of the pole…

What do I know about the MAP 901?

Nothing!

Has it stood the test of time like any of the past Daiwa poles?

No!

Will it be around in years to come?

?

Alex Bones says the 901 pole is the best pole he has held, is that really what anglers should base a massive purchase on anyway? No angler should base my opinion on the Air any more than Alex Bones’s opinion on the MAP 901.

If you are in the market for a top end pole like both of the fore mentioned then decide what you want out of this expensive purchase. Quality/strength/versatility/compatability/spares/after sales/wear and tear etc …

Good luck with your choice.

At last, a decent answer about the Air.

Thanks Beetle

I have had my Air for a year this coming weekend, previously I had an Airity and despite all the whinging anglers out there moaning about the price of them I’m perfectly happy with what it can do. I fish venues that require 16 metres plus on a regular basis and the Air suits me just fine.

I’ve recently fished next to someone who was using a 901 and whilst its s good pole it certainly isn’t the pole for me, but hey-ho each to their own.

The recent publicity on the 901 makes me laugh, yes Alex said its the best and considering Matt did the review on the Air we inevitably have two opinions (there’s a surprise 🙂

In what was is the 901 not for you?

@NathanWatson wrote:

Too much for me Joe, rather buy pole only new for £2600!

I know a few that have them or have had them, some have broke sections, 1 most sections! Some have broke none! I think a lot of breaks are caused by previous, invisible damage in transit to shops!

nathan how come in your opinion when daiwa poles break its poss that they were damaged in transit, and when other makes break theyre not fit for purpose ie to stiff etc etc you sure you aint sponsored by daiwa, only ever read you slate other makes of pole, and yes i did own a tpro and it was a good pole?

@gaz r wrote:

@NathanWatson wrote:

Too much for me Joe, rather buy pole only new for £2600!

I know a few that have them or have had them, some have broke sections, 1 most sections! Some have broke none! I think a lot of breaks are caused by previous, invisible damage in transit to shops!

nathan how come in your opinion when daiwa poles break its poss that they were damaged in transit, and when other makes break theyre not fit for purpose ie to stiff etc etc you sure you aint sponsored by daiwa, only ever read you slate other makes of pole, and yes i did own a tpro and it was a good pole?

I never said just Daiwa poles, meant all poles!!! But when you break 3 butt sections in a row as i have with Tri Cast and Browning, it looks very dodgy!

i have had the air for 12 months now i can say it is easy to use i am not a big chap but i can fish at 16/17m all day no problem ,the first thing you notice when using it is how strong it feels in hand i have full confidence when shipping back ,when playing big fish the tops do bend but i see this as an advantage especially when the elastic bottoms out , it may or may not be as stiff as some poles out now (901) but it is very user friendly at all lengths ,the problem now days when trying to decide which pole to use is to much choice all top end poles are good you just have to use the one that suites your type of fishing

What pole did you have before Viper? I have Tournament pro’s that I’m fairly happy with, just trying to find out whether the Air or Airity X will be any better?

I had a pro from when it first came out loved it the air is a lot better to use at longer lengths the air has got a bit more action than the pro but i always used a short 4 on the pro

im going back to daiwa after the pathetic after sales farce ive just had with browning z12 over a 14m section,only used it 3 times n its gone bang on me only lifting into a fish,1 month on still no section,PATHETIC.Be the last browning item i shall ever buy too if is this how they treat their customers after shelling £2500 out. Im getting an air on monday knowing i can deal with daiwa direct n itll get sorted within a week

Nathan still waiting for chum mixer to answer your question why the 901 wasn’t for him. ???

Looks that way!!

@NathanWatson wrote:

In what was is the 901 not for you?

I like Daiwa poles as they have more give in them, and like you have stated when you want to windmill a rig the sections don’t buckle under pressure. The MAP is heavier but probably a tad stiffer but for me I didn’t like the balance of it. Another mate has just purchased an Air and he came to the same conclusion when having a waggle.

Nathan, next time you speak to Deano just check he’s ok will you, Tom tells me he’s only drawn in the 20’s at Moon Lake 4 times out of 5 lol

@Chum Mixer wrote:

@NathanWatson wrote:

In what was is the 901 not for you?

I like Daiwa poles as they have more give in them, and like you have stated when you want to windmill a rig the sections don’t buckle under pressure. The MAP is heavier but probably a tad stiffer but for me I didn’t like the balance of it. Another mate has just purchased an Air and he came to the same conclusion when having a waggle.

Nathan, next time you speak to Deano just check he’s ok will you, Tom tells me he’s only drawn in the 20’s at Moon Lake 4 times out of 5 lol

Have you and your mate tried the Airity X?

And who are you and who is Tom? Not done him much good last 2 weeks anyway! 😉

I definitely haven’t and I don’t think Ben my mate did, he compared the MAP and Air only. I understand the new Airity have used the same carbon fom the Air to make the butt sections which I believe have made it slightly stiffer.

I’m Mark Cree I used to fish the odd Whisby match occasionally with Dean and Tom the Turk, we used to have a laugh and spent many afternoons funding the pride of Lincoln in beer pennies lol

You can contact Browning direct by email to [email protected] Ive had no probs with my browning poles but mailed them twice now with other questions and got a reply very quickly. I emailed Preston last January and am still waiting. :confused:

Good luck with getting thing sorted in a week with Daiwa. If you manage it can you let my mate know how you did it because he is having a mare with them about a split no 7 on his 1 month old Tourney Pro2.

Dealing with Diawa direct has always been simple for when I needed spares, if it’s a warranty problem and you have to go through the shop you bought it from then my experience has been that the shop drags it’s heals far more than Daiwa.

As for the 901 I would doubt that a very stiff action is the best option when tackling today’s commercials, you only have to read about the Drennan Acolyte being made less stiff after Alan S was breaking the very stiff prototypes to realise that the pusuit of the poker stiff pole is a Holy Grail and a hook by which many anglers get snagged.

I’ve copied below what I posted on another thread back in March
Hope this helps

If you’ve decided; good job and the Airity will be great.
I’ve gone for the Air recently from the Pro and Pro X and I have to say it is the best piece of kit re a pole that I’ve every had the pleasure to handle. It knocks spots of any other pole I’ve every used and from top of range Tricasts and Daiwa’s – it is just supreme (I don’t use Browning so can’t comment on that)
Only used it 3 times yet on commercials in last 3 weeks with Spring weights of 15lb, 40lb and 60lb and can truly say that bar an odd liner, I honestly don’t think I’ve missed a true bite fishing all time at 16 metres
Kits and spares are little different from normal Pro or Pro X costs.
I had trouble initially re the difference in cost from the Pro X, Airity etc but for me, it came down to keeping top kits, part funding with the poles I sold and also the price I got mine for from my local shop which was not £3750!!!
Would I have spent £3000 plus from scratch for a pole if i wasn’t part funding with sales, probably not
Do I regret selling my Pro X, Pro and spending another grand or so buying thie Air – absolutely not.
Dependant on your circumstances only, if you can justify the Air, I can tell you that you will not regret it.

So you think the air is a lot better than the pro? And aren’t the top kits the same?

ive just picked my air up it looks the dogs n the sections feel far stronger than the pro i had will be putting it to some use on tuesday

ive just picked my air up it looks the dogs n the sections feel far stronger than the pro i had will be putting it to some use on tuesday

Yes Nathan it is far better than pro and pro X (but I would have expected it to be)
I had my pro up in the shop with the air together. It’s far stiffer and lighter and holding 16 was as easy as 14.5
Sections I would say aren’t as strong as the pro (benefits one way have to give somewhere the other way) but well strong enough for commercials. I’ve had big lumps on red hydro no problem at all. Far easier to fish long and slap but I have found when doing this, sections can loosen up and you need to check them (but that’s probably all poles..)
And yes all the top sections interchange

Well i must have an extra special air cos mines a lot stronger than a t pro. Theres very little give in all sections and the no4 has slight give but can be used. I use red hydro at woodlands with long 4 and had margin fish to mid doubles. My last 4 poles have been t pro .trilogy. Garbo M1 and now air. The air is as light as the tricast .as stiff as the M1 and the same length as the pro. In every other way it far surpasses a t pro. The balance when fished 16m plus is really awesome.
I have only held a 901 in a shop . Very stiff but felt heavy and the no8 section felt very squeezy to me. Didnt squeeze rest of pole. It is a nice pole no doubt but ive made the right choice in the air. I dont hammer my gear and aint broke a section yet but i have slapped with it at 16m but not nathan slapped lol. Compared to new airity x45 .the sections 5 6 7 are def stronger on the air and the response is better at longer lengths.
Oh and alex bones got a free 901 ,surprise surprise…. Gues daiwa didnt want to give him an Air 🙂

i must have an extra special air as well as it is stronger than my old t/ pro

@mart4666 wrote:

Well i must have an extra special air cos mines a lot stronger than a t pro. Theres very little give in all sections and the no4 has slight give but can be used. I use red hydro at woodlands with long 4 and had margin fish to mid doubles. My last 4 poles have been t pro .trilogy. Garbo M1 and now air. The air is as light as the tricast .as stiff as the M1 and the same length as the pro. In every other way it far surpasses a t pro. The balance when fished 16m plus is really awesome.
I have only held a 901 in a shop . Very stiff but felt heavy and the no8 section felt very squeezy to me. Didnt squeeze rest of pole. It is a nice pole no doubt but ive made the right choice in the air. I dont hammer my gear and aint broke a section yet but i have slapped with it at 16m but not nathan slapped lol. Compared to new airity x45 .the sections 5 6 7 are def stronger on the air and the response is better at longer lengths.
Oh and alex bones got a free 901 ,surprise surprise…. Gues daiwa didnt want to give him an Air 🙂

You’ve almost sold it to me, if i buy, i’ll ask Daiwa to send you a cheque!

now’s the time to get one bobco sale just started lol

Don’t think they’re in sale mate!?

If it’s in stock, and it is, then it’s in the sale, i.e. 10% off poles

If it was 20% off i’d buy it but cheaper at tunnel barn farm with only 10% off!

@NathanWatson wrote:

@mart4666 wrote:

Well i must have an extra special air cos mines a lot stronger than a t pro. Theres very little give in all sections and the no4 has slight give but can be used. I use red hydro at woodlands with long 4 and had margin fish to mid doubles. My last 4 poles have been t pro .trilogy. Garbo M1 and now air. The air is as light as the tricast .as stiff as the M1 and the same length as the pro. In every other way it far surpasses a t pro. The balance when fished 16m plus is really awesome.
I have only held a 901 in a shop . Very stiff but felt heavy and the no8 section felt very squeezy to me. Didnt squeeze rest of pole. It is a nice pole no doubt but ive made the right choice in the air. I dont hammer my gear and aint broke a section yet but i have slapped with it at 16m but not nathan slapped lol. Compared to new airity x45 .the sections 5 6 7 are def stronger on the air and the response is better at longer lengths.
Oh and alex bones got a free 901 ,surprise surprise…. Gues daiwa didnt want to give him an Air 🙂

You’ve almost sold it to me, if i buy, i’ll ask Daiwa to send you a cheque!

Lol thanks nathan .tell daiwa to make it a big cheque to M watson not N watson 🙂

im gunna to throw a spanner in the works after using my new air a few times the only difference i can find against a z12 is the butt sections r slimmer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its a shame the aftersales of browning r sh!te (im still waiting on my 14m section after 6 wks).Its no stiffer,a very fractional bit lighter still a nice bit of kit but £1250 more than a z12 NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’ve got my first Daiwa Air section in for repair today – and its the No6. 😮 😮

that’s a bit of a gutter craig and annoying why is it that on lots of daiwa pole the no6 breaks and this has happens on every model from the spectron to the air, just a view on e-bay and the number of daiwa poles with a broken number 6 is a joke, I though they had strengthened the 5 & 6 sections or is this only on the airity X65?

@craigm wrote:

I’ve got my first Daiwa Air section in for repair today – and its the No6. 😮 😮

Did u break it in use while fishing, how did it happen?

@Fred Davis wrote:

that’s a bit of a gutter craig and annoying why is it that on lots of daiwa pole the no6 breaks and this has happens on every model from the spectron to the air, just a view on e-bay and the number of daiwa poles with a broken number 6 is a joke, I though they had strengthened the 5 & 6 sections or is this only on the airity X65?

Suppose it depends hoe the no6 section are getting broken ?
Have used Daiwa poles the last 7 yrs and the only time I have had a section break, a no6 incidentally is when a daft t%#t tried to step over my pole and kicked the section causing it to snap.
IMO most breakages in use are probably caused by slight damage which has already been done to the section previously which weakens the section causing it to break in a fishing situation over time.

Daiwa have said a lot of the number 6 sections break when a shock wave goes down the pole this is why on the airity x65 daiwa have strengthened these sections to combat this problem, I have replaced a number 6 on my daiwa pole only to suffer another break after 13months due to the shock wave effect and have had to buy another number 6, as I said on lots of second hand daiwa poles on ebay a lot have a number 6 joint with a repair, its not all bad angling or bad anglers, you don’t see this happening on a lot of other poles. having said that daiwa are terrific in supplying spares to think that you can still get spares for a 410 from the number seven section to the top 3 is unreal

@Fred Davis wrote:

Daiwa have said a lot of the number 6 sections break when a shock wave goes down the pole this is why on the airity x65 daiwa have strengthened these sections to combat this problem, I have replaced a number 6 on my daiwa pole only to suffer another break after 13months due to the shock wave effect and have had to buy another number 6, as I said on lots of second hand daiwa poles on ebay a lot have a number 6 joint with a repair, its not all bad angling or bad anglers, you don’t see this happening on a lot of other poles. having said that daiwa are terrific in supplying spares to think that you can still get spares for a 410 from the number seven section to the top 3 is unreal

I see your point Fred, wasn’t aware of this shock wave effect. Is this something that happens when you have a fish on and the pole is put under strain and bends? Is it something that can happen when slapping? how did u break your No6?
Got to agree, Daiwa spares availability is phenomenal service. Also the fact that their is some much interchangeability between sections on Daiwa poles is also a good thing if u happen to break something when fishing and have a backup pole.
Cheers

Quite agree Colin, my number 6 section broke when fishing the river colne teams of four this year I was drawn in a snag pit and it was while I was plumbing up under some overhanging branches I lifted the top kit and caught the line in an overhanging twig, gingerly pulling back the pole in virtually a straight line as to put no pressure on the pole sections intending to get to the top three and then pull for a break, however I was on black hydro, what happened next defied belief the line snapped the hydro shot back in the pole with force and sent a shock wave down the pole and the number six exploded not the number five nor the number 4 section the number 6 luckily I got all the sections back the rear of the pole was on rollers and was sliding back nicely, if I hadn’t seen it myself I would have found it hard to believe, however new number 6 was purchased and as the break was a clean break I had the broken number 6 repaired.

The great thing about Daiwa as far as I am concerned is that if I want to upgrade I can knowing that all my top kits will fit the newest model as well as the number fours, so if I decide to buy the airity x45 or the air I can buy the pole only which is a lot cheaper also knowing that in 10 to 15 years time I will still be likely to get spares, got to be better than splashing 3 grand only to be told after 5 years sorry we don’t do any spares for that pole anymore

@Col_W wrote:

@craigm wrote:

I’ve got my first Daiwa Air section in for repair today – and its the No6. 😮 😮

Did u break it in use while fishing, how did it happen?

Its not mine, it was brought to me for repair. It broke when he lifted into an F1 about 2lb, there was a strong side wind but he was only fishing at 10mtrs. It broke clean approx. 10″ from the end and he rescued the rest of his pole with his bomb rod.

Seems Daiwa owners aren’t concerned with the sections (especially number 6’s) breaking as most of you agree there’s plenty of spares available………Staggering!!…..and I can’t get my head around this “The sections from my old pole are interchangeable”…..does that mean you pay 3k for a pole and fit/use sections from an older model !!……..again…..staggering

Fred, that was certainly a bizarre way to have a section explode on u like that. Totally agree regarding interchangeability of no4 upwards on daiwa poles. That’s why I am currently looking for a pole only deal on an Air as got loads of no4 & top kits from my previous Pro & ProX.

The question is would anyone pay £3750 for another product [i.e. non fishing related] that you knew had a problem and then put up with it fitting older second hand bits from another model in order to make it work, no I don’t think you would so why would you do so with a ‘top of the range’ pole?

We anglers seem to accept any old excuse dished out by manufacturers/dealers when something goes wrong and a section snaps – what Daiwa should be doing it looking at why their number 6 sections have a habit of snapping not just on this model but others such as the Airity.

I must be missing something here!!!!

The fact the sections are interchangeable is surely about the same mandrel rather than truely being interchangable sections……the parts fit but are not the same grade / strength carbon surely or why upgrade to just lose the ‘ITIY’ off the graphics so to speak!!

With top kits I tend to agree the differentials are minimal and would challenge most to notice any difference even when fishing very long.

All manufacturers have interchangable sections to some degree across their ranges to my knowledge.

As for breaking sections, I personally think most breaks are a result of a previous dink you think you got away with days, weeks, months before…..I have broken Daiwa, Garbo, Maver and Shimano poles over the years after various mishaps Daiwa are no better or no worse imo!

Touch wood my no6 is 3 years old and still going strong but broke a no5 on concrete edge at Glebe……user error or accident in ‘most’ cases!

All this talk about No6 sections and other sections breaking etc etc is beyond me, I’ve owned the following DAIWA Poles and have never had a problem,

Tournament X
Spectron
Tournament Pro
Airity (Black Model)
Airity (Silver Model)
And currently an AIR

The route to all these sections breaking is how the poles are being used, NOT the product itself . . . . .Happy pole volting chaps 🙂

@Chum Mixer wrote:

All this talk about No6 sections and other sections breaking etc etc is beyond me, I’ve owned the following DAIWA Poles and have never had a problem,

Tournament X
Spectron
Tournament Pro
Airity (Black Model)
Airity (Silver Model)
And currently an AIR

The route to all these sections breaking is how the poles are being used, NOT the product itself . . . . .Happy pole volting chaps 🙂

Exactly

The route to all these sections breaking is how the poles are being used, NOT the product itself . . . . .Happy pole volting chaps 🙂

But the question is why is it always the Number 6? is it weaker than the 5 or 7?

@bagging machine wrote:

The route to all these sections breaking is how the poles are being used, NOT the product itself . . . . .Happy pole volting chaps 🙂

But the question is why is it always the Number 6? is it weaker than the 5 or 7?

Maybe because it is he middle of the pole when fishing long, probably takes the brunt if the strain when dangling over a single roller with all the weight of the 9,10, 11 etc . Also it is probably the most handled section when fishing short 6 or 7 mtrs, so it gets a lot of hammer!

@bagging machine wrote:

The route to all these sections breaking is how the poles are being used, NOT the product itself . . . . .Happy pole volting chaps 🙂

But the question is why is it always the Number 6? is it weaker than the 5 or 7?

Maybe because it is he middle of the pole when fishing long, probably takes the brunt if the strain when dangling over a single roller with all the weight of the 9,10, 11 etc . Also it is probably the most handled section when fishing short 6 or 7 mtrs, so it gets a lot of hammer!

I was on a match today when an Airity No.7 broke.

Not the anglers fault. The bloke two pegs two his left hadn’t set his brolly properly. It was a bit breezy, and the aforementioned brolly set off down the bank at about 40mph, and trimmed out the pole as it sat in the rollers

I heard a shout and thought it was the ‘all in’. Thank christ i didn’t start feeding as I wasn’t ready.

I’d also like to thank him, ‘cos it wasn’t my no.7 section 🙂

@Kagger TNB wrote:

I was on a match today when an Airity No.7 broke.

Not the anglers fault. The bloke two pegs two his left hadn’t set his brolly properly. It was a bit breezy, and the aforementioned brolly set off down the bank at about 40mph, and trimmed out the pole as it sat in the rollers

I heard a shout and thought it was the ‘all in’. Thank christ i didn’t start feeding as I wasn’t ready.

I’d also like to thank him, ‘cos it wasn’t my no.7 section 🙂

Feckin brollys they want banning!!!!

You would think that the top 3-4 5section would be the most likely to go first,as they are the ones most used during unshipping,and take most of the strain when playing fish.with the bigger sections 6-7 upwards being stronger as they support the middle of the pole?

i’m told by an engineer angling pal of many years who also worked with carbon in early days, that if you make a section stronger – like a no.4 after many used to complain about broken 4’s before the advent of pullers – then you merely move the weak point to the next section down.
If you make a pole very stiff and comparatively lightweight for strength – then surely its the middle sections that must recieve ‘bend’ pressure from a fish – unless you can ship straight back as we all try.
Any dinks – must also surely send a shock wave down to the weakest point.
As poles are tested to destruction by manufacturers during development – it stands that inadvertent dinks will form the vast majority of fractures surely?
Often this can even take weeks or months to occur after the dink.
If you go down a price band then the wall thickness increases as stiffness decreases – so a ‘stronger’ bagging pole results all the way down to margin pliable tubes by comparison.

I also had a 13m section go about 2 months after a dink of the 13m on a raised wooden edge to a platform.

I think on the whole we are pretty well served by manufacturers regarding pole design and limits -particularly if laccy strengths are listed and factored – as the poles are usually stronger by design to cope with anglers.

OK we talk about ‘dinks’ and weak spots but here is an interesting one, could a build up of air pressure inside a section cause it to ‘explode’?

The reason I ask is because I had a number 6 section explode on a Maver 501 pole when shipping out. On the day in question when I started fishing it was frosty with ice on the ground, the pole was fitted with ‘clean caps’ and an expander bung in the butt end. The sun came out and there was a sharp rise in temperature within a short space of time when the section literally exploded.

I assumed that it was a weak spot however after thinking about things later I came to the conclusion that fitting the expander bung in the end coupled with the clean caps [even though the latter had been pierced with a hole] had caused a vacuum and the sudden rise in temperature had caused the pressure to build up causing the section to blow.

Anyone else had any experience of this? Needless to say I have never used a clean cap system or expander bungs since.

I have used clean caps and expander bungs with no problems of sections going bang due to pressure build up.but cold temps can make carbon brittle and more easily chipped or broken if knocked.

ALERT ALERT daiwa no7 broken by a rogue , blowaway brolly, and craig has his 1st AIR no6repair after the poles been out a year … dear me how can daiwa allow this to happen… shock horror daiwa need to do something!!!!!!
I will agree I heard of quite a few airity no6s breaking but wot percentage of all airitys out there is it… is it any more percentage of gmax1000 5s 6s that broke or z9 sections or z12 no5s that I keep seeing break or mavers or prestons…. my thinking is it isn’t.
I own a daiwa AIR and would honestly say its the strongest daiwa pole out there bar none.. I bought a g20 for snaggier swims and now find the g20 is nowhere near as strong…. yes im not saying its indestructible, no pole is and yes the no6 takes the most strain on all poles . I guarantee a no6 is the most ordered replacement section on any make or model of pole… craig m wots the section you repair the most , I bet its a no6 or no5 0n some modern poles ie map etc

@ian1980 wrote:

im gunna to throw a spanner in the works after using my new air a few times the only difference i can find against a z12 is the butt sections r slimmer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its a shame the aftersales of browning r sh!te (im still waiting on my 14m section after 6 wks).Its no stiffer,a very fractional bit lighter still a nice bit of kit but £1250 more than a z12 NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

all modern flagship poles are VERY similar in stiffness at 16m FACT…. the 901 is the stiffest id say but is that a good thing, surely there comes a price for stiffness, especially for slapping purposes…. air, new airity, m1, z12, maver etc are that good that theres no real advantage from 901 stiffness imo

@craigm wrote:

I’ve got my first Daiwa Air section in for repair today – and its the No6. 😮 😮

Mart, this original post was meant to be ‘tongue in cheek’ as they say. The most popular sections I repair are No’s 4,5 + 6 from all makes of poles.

When I put the above Air section on the mandrel, the break was perfectly clean apart from a small hole approx. 3mm in diameter – this will have been the cause of the break. I showed it to the owner who said it must have been like that from new, I then pointed out to him that it would have broken the first or second time he used it – not after 8 months.

@craigm wrote:

@craigm wrote:

I’ve got my first Daiwa Air section in for repair today – and its the No6. 😮 😮

Mart, this original post was meant to be ‘tongue in cheek’ as they say. The most popular sections I repair are No’s 4,5 + 6 from all makes of poles.

When I put the above Air section on the mandrel, the break was perfectly clean apart from a small hole approx. 3mm in diameter – this will have been the cause of the break. I showed it to the owner who said it must have been like that from new, I then pointed out to him that it would have broken the first or second time he used it – not after 8 months.[/quote
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agree with ya there craig, so it looks like its been dinked by the owner before the break.
its abit of a bummer when it happens but like you sayif from new would have gone on 1st few sessions…. how old was the pole by the way craig. oops just relooked and 8months sorry…lol

@craigm wrote:

@craigm wrote:

I’ve got my first Daiwa Air section in for repair today – and its the No6. 😮 😮

Mart, this original post was meant to be ‘tongue in cheek’ as they say. The most popular sections I repair are No’s 4,5 + 6 from all makes of poles.

When I put the above Air section on the mandrel, the break was perfectly clean apart from a small hole approx. 3mm in diameter – this will have been the cause of the break. I showed it to the owner who said it must have been like that from new, I then pointed out to him that it would have broken the first or second time he used it – not after 8 months.

This is what I was referring to earlier. A section sustains a bit of minor damage first, is ok for a while, then bang!!! Breaks in use in spectacular fashion.
If you look down the inside of your pole sections you can sometimes see a bump or bruise where a section has received some minor impact damage or been squeezed overly hard. This is the time to get a small wrap applied to prevent a breakage in use.
Can happen to any pole.

hi guys, ive not been on the forum for a few weeks,would just like to add, ive had my Air for over 12 months..its the best pole ive ever owned..and ive been fortunate to own most top of the range poles over my fishing career..
ive read all the threads with regards to sections breaking etc and dont use daiwa poles for speed fishing because they come apart etc etc ..everyone is entitled to their opinion and no one is right or wrong..its all down to preference..
in my opinion ,theres no way you can tell how good or bad a pole is until you fish with it ,in your own style of fishing. yeah all poles feel good in a shop,however there are some poles that are superb in the wind and some that are not..regardless of their price tag !!
For example ,my previous pole was Fox Envoy Elite.. not a great pole in a lot of anglers eyes, however that pole was the best pole ive ever used in strong winds..not the lightest.. but extremely stiff and had great balance up to 14.5 metres,but did i know it if i had to fish 16 metres for 5 hours !! lol !
i can only give my verdict on poles that i have owned, so i will answer honestly with regards to the Daiwa Air..
Yes .. the pole is extremely expensive..however ,that is the price you pay for state of the art technology..Yes .. the Air has extremely good balance,but this is only apparent whilst fishing and playing fish..(not waggling it about in a shop)..you have total control of the fish even at long lengths..yes i have heard of sections coming apart whilst fishing.. but i can honestly say its never happened to me whilst fishing with my Air . I fish most of my matches on canals and drains,hence lots of small fish and lots of shipping the pole in and out.
I have no wear or carbon deposits through joints wearing out on any of my sections plus my sections dont stick together in the wet either.
The Air is extremely lightweight and has superb balance when fishing at full length as well..and its extremely strong too !
These are the reasons why IMO the Daiwa Air is the best pole i have ever owned and fished with. I have read the comments about it feels thin walled etc etc ..however that is the reason the pole has such a big price tag..its the technology that gives you an ultralight pole with the strength of a margin pole !!
my advice would be if you can afford the Air..then buy one ..because you wont be dissappointed.
the only real way to see how good these top of the range poles are is to fish with them..so good luck with whichever top end pole you buy.