I don’t think bread is scorned as a bait, the main problem is that it is banned on a lot of commercial fisheries, I think this question is better directed at owners rather than anglers I don’t know of any angler who knocks the use of this highly effective bait.

Certain baits have and always will come under fire from either fishery owners,or anglers.
from a fishery owners point of view it could be mainly due to excessive usage causing problems with stocks,water quality etc,but it is their fishery and their rules,so that is a marmite situation for every one,marmite meaning either love it or hate it.
from an anglers point of view,it could be many things,poor information,unwillingness,or lack of interest to learn the different methods that may work on a particular venue,jealousy of those who win on a regular basis on that bait or method,or just want things that only suit them.unfortunately it is a marmite situation again.

I agree with TIDALWAVE that for the most part it’s the commercial fisheries that ban it but plenty don’t too. I know of one match fishery near me (Viking Fishery) where bread totally dominates in the winter just by fishing off the bottom with a 6mm piece and feeding nothing. It’s a bait that is also just overlooked by a lot of anglers. I know it’s allowed at Lindholme and it’s effective there too but not used by many anglers.
So is bread actually scorned by anglers – In my experience no, just forgotten.

dobbing bread and fishing straight lead with discs is a nationwide accepted tactic – certainly not banned and liccy likewise where silverfish are target – so beats me how you can say bread is frowned upon?

Paul, I have to say imo I think you are looking for bites!! I would hazard a quess and say as many fishery owners ban groundbait as ban bread so I suppose you could reverse your argument and say have the bread mafia send them a message to ban groundbait!

In my experience the only match fishing issue I have seen or heard when matchmen start slagging bread with any venom is loosefed floating bread (or floating baits to be honest). It generally creates problems with fish following the bait on the tow/wind and its virtually impossible to keep loosefeed in the confines of your own peg with the UK weather!

I find both groundbait and bread are widely used up here, yes there are some fisheries that ban one or the other or both but thats the same for all baits…….same applies to B&J, meat, hemp etc……like all bans if you disagree so strongly simply don’t fish there!

I think the use of bread is banned or opposed is down to one of two reasons:
1) it takes money out of the fishing trade and puts it in to supermarkets.
2) some of the regular match winners aren’t as afficient with it and don’t want the competition.
ie “team cry babies”.

@stevied wrote:

I think the use of bread is banned or opposed is down to one of two reasons:
1) it takes money out of the fishing trade and puts it in to supermarkets.
2) some of the regular match winners aren’t as afficient with it and don’t want the competition.
ie “team cry babies”.

Stevied interesting opinion but…….No1……..really?…….I see very few feeding any sort of quantity of fishing produced sweetcorn and meat, thats all supermarket stuff?

Just my opinion Ian, which is usually wrong, I wouldn’t worry about it.
On the second point my theory started in the early ’70s with hempseed, progressed thro’ the ’80s with B&J and now it is bread’s turn.
May be I have a restricted imagination 😀

maybe a lot of commercials want anglers feed going in during the colder months feeding there fish,most matches on commercials won on bread dont feed anything ?

All rules are driven by the regulars, the majority set the scene, some commercials you go to the rules are quite plausible whilst other venues seem to have illogical rules, personally I have no issue with using bread so long as its not all over the surface following the wind with the carp following.

Its only scorned in my view for two reasons. Firstly if its floating, as far as I and most anglers are concerned its a no no and contravenes modern match rules.
Secondly if its over used, there was a big argument on here last summer when a certain angler was cleaning up a large midlands commy by allegedly feeding huge quantities of bread. The regulars soon put a stop to that of course.
Bait limits can be used to deal with that problem. Where I fish we ban floating baits but generally don’t have an issue with quantity yet so no limit is in place. Mallory allow it in winter where no one in their right mind would fish up top, Clint allows half a loaf at W/A but you cant surface fish. Both seem sensible approaches to me so that everyone is happy.

On our local venues several anglers had an obsession with floating the stuff, it quickly dominated but the inconsiderate floaters didn’t care that it was also feeding the next anlers peg as well…. the fish just followed the stuff around the lake mopping it up, even fish in keepnets continued to feed on it even after being caught 5 minutes before!!

Really it’s them dam carpthat have changed the format of fishing … lots of things we never did before crop up all over now, not necessarilly good for te fish or fishery, seen lots of comments about lanscaping the peg, 200 lbs of fish being caught, short still poles to lift them out .. so it goes on..

The bread floaters were eventually banned … consider 2 foot of 10lb maxima with any hook on it, they were just ripping fish to pieces in the end….not fishing really

I have seen them at TBF chucking 5 mashed loaves in, true it all sank, and hook bait dobbed in but it was a bit obscene to watch,

Also please check NFA rules… you cannot interfer with another anglers peg…. how many of us have had bread floating by and seen a big carp take it in…. true we could all do bread, but everything in moderation, i’ve seen B&J kill venues, and when anglers went back to conventional baits the big fish were there waiting…. turned out to be a better fishery after it..

FOr roach and skimmers I have no issues but carp arwe stupid, and we follow them…

I reckon you should just get over it.

I dont think “bread is scorned”, but on that fishery you were taking apart, you, obviously are, for whatever reason.

I wasn’t there, so I only know what i’ve read in the press and on forums, but tbh mate, thats life.

I have said if before,and will say it again.sensible bait limits,say 8 pints maximum which seems to be standard for most places.are better than outright bait bans.

@paulnewell wrote:

Bang on tidal wave sense at last you can buy us a pint when we meet cause I can’t get you one from my winnings !! Back to learning again. :rolleyes: 😎

Paul,cheers for the offer of a pint mate.my common/practical sense comes free of charge. 🙂 😎

Paul you’ve only brought this up to have a moan, you threw your dummy out last year about being “banned”, the fishery wants to enforce a rule – end of. Find another fishery to “master”.

Good luck!

I meant your bait being banned, not you obviously!!

So if half a loaf is ok and 2kg of groundbait is allowed, can punch crumb be used in lieu of groundbait?
I thought the old white groundbait we all used to use before Sensas and VDE took over was just that?

Unfortunately the situation of baits being banned,or asked to be banned,either by groups of anglers,or individuals,wether through jealousy of someone who has taken time to master a certain bait or method,or more often because it does not suit a certain method some have a preference for is becoming more of a regular thing.now,than it may have been before in the past.it is very rare nowdays for baits to be banned by fisheries for purely fish welfare reasons..

Do commercials sell loaves of bread?

Paul, certainly hit a nerve with you hasn’t it …… the Commy Owners club as you well know will follow the majority of the anglers for the sake of the bank balance ….. we have been here before, consider TBF was down to a dozen anglers for mid week opens on occasion..

But going back to the point, commy carp are thick as …. we have to accept that, in overstocked, tight pegged, artificial holes in the ground known as “Dumps” to us Northerners, I have to say there are many exceptions here, well managed holes in the ground…

There is more to “Fishing than Fish” if it’s a “drg them out at any cost” competition we need then may as well go to the gym every night as well …… where does it all stop?

Everything in moderation …… jobs a gud un …… you get on with it if that’s what you want …. soon be 10 of you left on the bank…. what next Bread Only Matches…. ha give it a rest and get on with it….. Bread its strictly for the Ducks !!! and a Bacon Sambo

I have no qualms about fishing bread and do so at various fisheries that allow it, however if I was a fishery manager and attendences started to drop dramatically because of one winning method being dominated by one or two anglers I’d ban it with no hesitation, revenue can be king to the survival of a commercial fishery. Just because we as anglers fish a venue on a regular basis does not mean we have any right or say on how the fishery owner decides what rules he wants to enforce or how the fishery is run, if we don’t like it we have a choice to go and fish at another venue.

Revenue to fisheries by attendances by match anglers,pleasure,club anglers is obviously the key factor.but where attendances drop,and,or bait bans are enforced due to venue regulars winning consistantly,it takes the shine off of things when some anglers are more willing to put extra effort into their fishing and not only comes down to little more than financial blackmail towards the fishery owner,it also asks the question,how many other baits could be banned solely on an anglers winning tactics with them.and would anglers who are just at the top of their game on any method or bait soon be banned from fisheries purely on name and natural watercraft and ability.?

Quite agree with your comments Paul the truth of it is successful anglers don’t become less successful at a venue because a certain method is banned, I in conjunction with John Brennan I run a series of postal matches which are well attended 66 peggers despite venues changing or fishery rules changing the same names are competing at the top of the league, I don’t suppose the top 15 -20 names have changed over the last 10 years apart from the odd one or two, I can quite understand the disappointment when a venue decides to ban a method that is extremely effective, In fact one venue near us has had so many rule changes it’s been a joke they even banned spraying on the pole to you could spray but only once every couple of minutes, this was so ludicrous in the fact that they even applied the rule to club matches, on one such match I had the fishery owner stand behind me watching and declaring I was feeding too regularly even though I was timing myself to a couple of minutes, he then moved off to an angler a couple of pegs to my right to give him the same spiel, having paid good money to fish the place and I was sticking to the rules it spoilt my day, needless to say I have not been back even though the fishery has had an injection of common sense and no such rules are now in operation. There are other venues that give anglers a friendly welcome and are a joy to fish.

Paul , your “mashed bread” tactic was obviously banned because it was so successful, and could not be “mastered” by other regulars who couldn’t compete . It cannot have been banned because of excessive use of bread otherwise why has the use of excessive amounts of “slop”, which is just as successful for certain regulars, not also been banned . :confused: : :confused:

Paul, why don’t you just fish paste shallow, it’s basically the same thing?

is it only normal loafs of bread as feed only they are banning,or bread altogether.?
would they class punchcrumb,or plain white crumb groundbait the same,and if not.could you not feed sloppy white crumb or is the effect different in the water and not as good attraction and feeding wise.?

Paul, the point im trying to make is why is the ” mashed bread ” method ( used by you ) banned , and the ” slop” method ( used by other venue regulars ) not banned . Because as you said in a previous post both methods use roughly the same amount of a form of bread feed . :confused: :confused:

Paul,would slop made from crushed pellet and dyed white with a bait/boilie dye work in place as a bread substitute.?
a lot of messing about in terms of preparation,but just an idea.

Wots their slop made with then Paul ????

Paste shallow is awesome for younger fish, do you think they go off fish meal as they get older then Paul as the f1’s you were catching at tunnel were fairly old fish.