Global Warming

[TF_Waveney One]

Whilst sitting here with a steady drizzle falling, a third of the way through ‘flaming June’ whilst waiting for the river season to start and with the missus dressed in about 4 cardigans I was wondering if anyone was still gullible enough to believe in ‘man induced global warming’?

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

I think it will get alot worse mate this country will enter another iceage, It wont be in our life times but it will happen. Is it ‘man induced global warming’? I think yes, but I think its inevitable, I honestly dont believe we can change things now and I reckon the worlds population is Ten times bigger than it should.

[TF_kerryd]

@Waveney One wrote:

Whilst sitting here with a steady drizzle falling, a third of the way through ‘flaming June’ whilst waiting for the river season to start and with the missus dressed in about 4 cardigans I was wondering if anyone was still gullible enough to believe in ‘man induced global warming’?

I thought the rain felt quite warm today 😀 😀 😀 😮

[TF_sharky]

Can’t believe anything about so called ‘global warming’! In my youth many years ago it was cold in the winter and warm in the summer, sometimes it was icy, sometimes it was hot. Occasionally it was windy and sometimes it was calm. It was always sunny with occasional rain and now and again we had floods and droughts. Football matches were called off in the winter and cricket was cancelled in the summer, It always rained during Wimbledon and never snowed on Xmas day……….just like now…..impossible to predict…..nothings changed.

[TF_kerryd]

@sharky wrote:

Can’t believe anything about so called ‘global warming’! In my youth many years ago it was cold in the winter and warm in the summer, sometimes it was icy, sometimes it was hot. Occasionally it was windy and sometimes it was calm. It was always sunny with occasional rain and now and again we had floods and droughts. Football matches were called off in the winter and cricket was cancelled in the summer, It always rained during Wimbledon and never snowed on Xmas day……….just like now…..impossible to predict…..nothings changed.

June 2nd in 1975 – Snow Stopped Play!
In 1975 there was an infamous incident when snow stopped play at The Park in a County Championship match involving Derbyshire and Lancashire in June.

Days before the World Cup started, and was blessed by long, hot days and clear evenings, the second day of the Championship tie, June 2, was abandoned when snow covered the whole ground. 😮 😮 😮

kerryd 😀 😀 😀 😀

[TF_Waveney One]

That is why we get ‘average’ temperatures, one year it will be freezing and the next hot enough to fry eggs on the motorway! I remember looking at the sky one June morning and remarking to a colleague ‘that looks like snow’. Needless to say I was laughed at but within an hour there was a full blown blizzard raging, not for long and it didn’t settle, only slush for an hour or so.

kerryd wrote ‘I thought the rain felt quite warm today 😀 😀 😀 :eek:’ Brilliant 😀

[TF_JohnH]

Climate change is used as a political excuse for increasing taxes and making us feel good about it. Saving the planet is nonesense as there is nothing we can do about China India etc industrialising on a scale that is hard to take. They are using coal too, we shut our pits down 20 years ago.
If we fully adopt the green agenda we just drive our businesses to the wall whilst competitors abroad use most competitive fuels, however climate unfriendly they may be.
Unless you have global concensus to genuinely reduce emissions, which will never happen, there is no point us flying the flag alone.
I wouldnt mind tax so much if the funds raised were used to adress the carbon emissions but they are not, they go into government coffers to pay expenses of MPs.
The Americans too will never sign up, they will just keep talking whilst doing nothing.

[TF_kerryd]

@JohnH wrote:

Climate change is used as a political excuse for increasing taxes and making us feel good about it. Saving the planet is nonesense as there is nothing we can do about China India etc industrialising on a scale that is hard to take. They are using coal too, we shut our pits down 20 years ago.
If we fully adopt the green agenda we just drive our businesses to the wall whilst competitors abroad use most competitive fuels, however climate unfriendly they may be.
Unless you have global concensus to genuinely reduce emissions, which will never happen, there is no point us flying the flag alone.
I wouldnt mind tax so much if the funds raised were used to adress the carbon emissions but they are not, they go into government coffers to pay expenses of MPs.
The Americans too will never sign up, they will just keep talking whilst doing nothing.

I agree with you view John H we have 300yrs of coal under this country that we have been told we cannot use it. 🙁
Whilst the likes of China and other countries carry on using what ever fuel they wish without the restrictions that have been forced upon us. 🙁
One things for sure in the event of a european war if anyone wants to beat us all they need to do is turn our gas off in France :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

kerryd 😀 😀 😀

[TF_wightangler]

global warming increases wide variation of global and seasonal patterns – remarkably similar to the freak events and abnormal records now on the increase.
A common misnomer is that somehow we’re all suddenly meant to feel warm.

[TF_kerryd]

@wightangler wrote:

global warming increases wide variation of global and seasonal patterns – remarkably similar to the freak events and abnormal records now on the increase.
A common misnomer is that somehow we’re all suddenly meant to feel warm.

Thanks for explaining that for me
Can you also explain what happened with the last ice age maybe it was them there dinosaurs burning all that coal that caused it :confused: :confused:
or maybe there is a cycle of events that the earth goes through all be it accellerated by the increased use of fossal fuels

kerryd 😀 😀 😀

[TF_orexina]

Co2 has risen for years but the temp has not gone up in the last 15yrs.
The large variations of climate/weather has always been there but is now connected with global warming.
For instance there are less hurricanes in recent years than there were years ago, again even with increased Co2. Temperatures have been ”adjusted” to fit in with the global warming theory. We should all be in desert conditions by now if all the prophercies had come true.

The Co2 levels are at about 390ppm but the best levels would be around 1000ppm for plants and have been in the past.

The only way to save the planet is to empty the pockets of everyone with new taxes. Then we can pay wealthy landowners huge sums to put up useless wind turbines and photo cells.

Its a shame people don’t investigate this problem more to get the true facts as there is a lot of disinformation put about by people making a lot of money out of it.

Lots of companies in the US have got money from the government…tax money….for solar panel , wind turbine and electric car production and then gone bust taking the money with them.
There were lots of good coal schemes around until it was branded bad by the greens. Soon we will be needing it as we are entering a period of temperature decline when things will get much colder. We rely too much on other sources/countries supplies of energy.

[TF_Waveney One]

Or we could tell the greens where to go and go really big on nuclear power that I see as the only way we can stay totally independent of other nations with our power. We can then pull down all the wind turbines and pull out all the archimedes screws and hydro elec dams that are likely to ruin our river fishing.

[TF_maker]

Had a conversation with my father in law a few years back about the pits closing down and all this coal we are sitting on, his theory was that we are storing all our fossil fuels for the day the world runs out, and we are doing a good job of getting all our fuels from everyone else’s shores, just a theory.

[TF_orexina]

You’re dead right WO

[TF_Waveney One]

Sounds good as a theory Maker and it may turn out that way with coal – it will become economical again eventually. Having said that who would want to be a miner? Not me. It must have been one of the worst jobs in the world. Perhaps better than not having a job at all but only just. You might catch TB down at the dole queue but that isn’t as likely as, Pneumoconiosis, Emphysema or Chronic bronchitis down a mine. Why those miners fought so hard for their terrible jobs I have no idea. A lot of them still complain about the mine closures, totally forgetting about those diseases either killed their fathers or gave them such a terrible retirement, struggling for breath all the time.

If your father-in-laws theory is true however, why have we almost run out of N Sea oil and gas? Down too a less far sighted series of governments no doubt.

[TF_kerryd]

@Waveney One wrote:

Sounds good as a theory Maker and it may turn out that way with coal – it will become economical again eventually. Having said that who would want to be a miner? Not me. It must have been one of the worst jobs in the world. Perhaps better than not having a job at all but only just. You might catch TB down at the dole queue but that isn’t as likely as, Pneumoconiosis, Emphysema or Chronic bronchitis down a mine. Why those miners fought so hard for their terrible jobs I have no idea. A lot of them still complain about the mine closures, totally forgetting about those diseases either killed their fathers or gave them such a terrible retirement, struggling for breath all the time.

If your father-in-laws theory is true however, why have we almost run out of N Sea oil and gas? Down too a less far sighted series of governments no doubt.

Opencast mining
Dig it out landscape,fill with water,stock with fish sorted 😀 😀 😀

[TF_AnthonywatersParticipant]

@Waveney One wrote:

Sounds good as a theory Maker and it may turn out that way with coal – it will become economical again eventually. Having said that who would want to be a miner? Not me. It must have been one of the worst jobs in the world. Perhaps better than not having a job at all but only just. You might catch TB down at the dole queue but that isn’t as likely as, Pneumoconiosis, Emphysema or Chronic bronchitis down a mine. Why those miners fought so hard for their terrible jobs I have no idea. A lot of them still complain about the mine closures, totally forgetting about those diseases either killed their fathers or gave them such a terrible retirement, struggling for breath all the time.

If your father-in-laws theory is true however, why have we almost run out of N Sea oil and gas? Down too a less far sighted series of governments no doubt.

Having said that who would want to be a miner? It cant have been that bad ! get your head down work hard opportunity to earn decent money and index linked pensions, I bet theres a few people out there who would have a bit of that nowadays rather than their crappy 25 hour B & Q contracts earning less than they did 30 years ago.

[TF_kerryd]

@maker wrote:

Had a conversation with my father in law a few years back about the pits closing down and all this coal we are sitting on, his theory was that we are storing all our fossil fuels for the day the world runs out, and we are doing a good job of getting all our fuels from everyone else’s shores, just a theory.

The only issue with that is the fact that to restart mining works now would require massive investment when the mines closed 10’s of millions of pounds of equipment were left in place water pumps turned off mines flooded and pits closed.
May be the goverment could sell the mines to France for a fraction of the value like they seem to have done with every thing else. 😮 😮 😮
Agreed WO the men that worked the pit face worked in extreme conditions and suffered greatly
but as you say they fought for thier jobs because mining was all they had 🙂 🙂

[TF_sharky]

I still find it hard to understand what evidence we have to support the global warming theory. We only have weather records for a couple of hundred years and circumstantial evidence from core samples from the polar regions for the last few thousand years. Nothing to tell us what the weather patterns was like every year since the dinosaurs died out 64 million years ago for example and how they compare to todays weather patterns! I suspect nothing much has changed and that the odds are it’s as likely we’ll get another Ice Age just as much as another Warm Period, who knows?

[TF_kerryd]

I like the the explanation given by Serbian astrophysicist Milutin Milankovitch (1897-1958), he developed a theory to explain long term variations in seasons, and in the solar energy received at different latitudes. According to the theory, the variations are caused by a combination of three types of cyclic variations in the Earth’s movement through space.

These three cyclic variations, called the Milankovitch cycles, are periodic changes in the Earth’s eccentricity, obliquity and precession.

Eccentricity is the shape of the Earth’s orbit around the Sun. It constantly fluctuates between a more or less elliptical shape, changing the Earth’s distance to the Sun as it orbits. The cycle has periods of approximately 100,000 and 400,000 years. This difference in distance to the Sun translates into a difference of insolation, i.e. the amount of energy received from the Sun.

Obliquity is the tilt of the Earth’s rotational axis, and is what causes seasons. A cycle is on average 40,000 years long. As the tilt of the axis increases, the contrast between seasons becomes stronger. In both the northern and southern hemisphere winters become colder, and summers warmer. When the tilt decreases, the difference between seasons becomes less pronounced, with cooler summers and more mild winters. Cool summers may allow the buildup of glaciers.

Precession is a change in the direction of Earth’s rotating axis caused by the gravitational pull of the Moon and Sun. As the Earth rotates around its axis, the axis slowly “wobbles” like a slow spinning top whose axis is no longer upright. Because of the precession, the direction in which the axis point traces a circle in space. A full circle movement of the axis takes about 26,000 years
Please note the year in which this man died 1958 long before anyone was thinking about global warming or saving the plant
😀 😀 😀 :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[TF_Waveney One]

Now that makes sense kerryd. A lot more than anything that I have heard from the greenies.

Certainly the climate has varied over the centuries and millenia. It seems to me that Florida hasn’t been affected too much by the ‘rising sea levels’ greenies always go on about. The mean elevation of the state of Florida is only 100 feet above sea level and the highest point in Florida is Britton Hill, Lakewood Park in Walton County and is only 345 feet above sea level. Almost all the coast has expensive housing and marina’s built on it and I haven’t heard too much about flooding except of course when there is a hurricane.

[TF_caster robParticipant]

@wightangler wrote:

global warming increases wide variation of global and seasonal patterns – remarkably similar to the freak events and abnormal records now on the increase.
A common misnomer is that somehow we’re all suddenly meant to feel warm.

Thank goodness this “common misnomer” wasn’t promoted by the global warming fascists and their “settled science”:

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/12/20/children-snow/

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

I wonder how their mediterranean style plants are coping?

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