I have seen the Best and BEST is in the top 5………..o/t

[TF_Gary the gudgeon]

The best British player I have ever seen….GEORGE BEST

The best European player I have ever seen…..ZINIDAN ZIDANE

The best World player I have ever seen…, DIEGO MARRODONA

These are world class players,it’s laughable that Rooney,Gerrard,Lampard etc. are mention in the same breath.

[TF_gixer1]

could not agree more,give it time and I reckon Gareth Bale could be there as well ~think

[Daddy BParticipant]

Who does that then Gary ? Nobody that I know !

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

Excellent choices Gary ~clap

[TF_Paddy]

When you say “seen” do you mean that? or do you mean within your life time? You also say within the top 5 and go on to state only 3, who are the other 2?
I also admire;
Ferenc Puskas.
Eusebio.
Michelle Platini.

[TF_carpmagicParticipant]

Give it a couple more years and Messi would have to make that list.
To be honest other than the media who does actually rate Rooney and co above the likes of Messi etc? Certainly noone i know thats for sure.

[TF_Paddy]

Peter Knowles was another “pin-up” footballer at the same stage and time as Besty and could of easily equalled his game, if he had not found Jehovah.

[TF_Man of Kent]

Paddy, was that Cyril Knowles or did I miss Peter?

Also, no mention of Pele. Is he now little more than a cliche?

[TF_MARKHLDAS]

BBP – Best & Johnny Giles
BEP – Cruyff & Gunta Netzer (spell)
BWP – Maradonna & Pele

All time favs – Peter Osgood & Gianfranco Zola.

[TF_piperpilot]

A cheating Argie CU*T. Yea right,

[TF_Paddy]

Man of Kent, no mate Peter Knowles was the man – he was the brother of Cyrille.
Wolves 1963 to 1967ish (i think).

He famously said;

“I shall continue playing football for the time being but I have lost my ambition. Though I still do my best on the field I need more time to learn about the Bible and may give up football.”

Think he works in Marks and Spencers now!

[TF_Gary the gudgeon]

paddy, these are players that I have seen play, other players such as Pele, Platini,Puskas and many more World Class players I have unfortunately not had the pleasure of seeing in the flesh. Maradonna for me was the best I have seen, not only did he carry Naples to champion Italy’s league but carried Argentina for many years,to do that at International level is a tremendous achievement.

[TF_MARKHLDAS]

@piperpilot wrote:

A cheating Argie CU*T. Yea right,

Funny didn’t know Scholes was an Argie

[TF_herbie]

if you,d said.

drunk of the year = best.
wasted tallent = best.
womaniser = best.
underachiever = best.
media darling = best.

compare his record to say ~think ~think .

ian rush.
kenny dalgliesh,
ryan giggs.
bobby charlton,
dennis law.
ian wright.
francis lee.
bobby smith.
kevin keegan.
denis berkamp.
dave mcakay.
liam brady.
danny blanchflower.
bryan douglas.
jimmy mcilroy.
nobby stiles.
martin peters.
geoff hurst.
alan shearer.
peter reid.
jimmy greaves.
billy wright.
alan hanson.
the whole 1967 celtic team.
the whole arsenal unbeaten 4 a season team.
derby county championship team.
the forest and villa european cup winning teams.
1966 england team.

gary the list is endless so dont promote a drunk wife beater and womaniser and genuine waste of space after 1968 as the best you,ve seen i dont believe you.

and ive supported and watched almost every game he played for united. if he turned up one in every ten you counted yourself lucky. if there are any stretford enders looking on from that period then can you name one song we sang about best.~think ~think ~think dammed if i can although denis is our king and still is imho

[TF_Gary the gudgeon]

Herbie, I have looked down the list you provided and I have seen most of the players you list, hand on heart the only the only two I would pay to watch Dennis Law and Ryan Giggs.
Players not on the list that I would pay to watch,Matt LeTisser,Frank Worthington,Peter Osgood and Charlie Cook, not forgetting the amazing Tommy Harmer.

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

Herbie on his anti Best crusade AGAIN ~naughty

Gary if you asked most top pros they would say Best. An interesting player that many pros rate far higher than fans is Zico.

Herbie, Best even excited Fulham fans long after his best. Scored a wonder goal in the USA. As somebody once told Sir Matt, I think I have found you a genius.

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

Just had a look on your list Herbie. Mackay is probably the greatest footballer on the list. Some are incredibly mediocre. Strewth Reid, Rush and Shearer. Even Nobby Stiles PLEASE.

As an old git and somebody who watched Utd I am amazed you never put forwards the man who could have / should have been the best British player / best in the world; DUNCAN EDWARDS

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

Another worth a shout was Di Stefano

[TF_MARKHLDAS]

Rodney Marsh
Stanley Bowles
Pat Nevin
Jimmy Johnston
Sir Bob
Johnny Haynes
Glenda Hoddle
Ossie Ardilles
Liam Brady

[TF_caster robParticipant]

Alan Shearer and Peter Reid.

Must be a wind up.

Along with Best, players like Alan Hudson, Tony Currie and Duncan Mckenzie would put an extra few thousand neutrals on the gate, just to watch them play.

The only pemiership player that I reckon had this quality was Paolo DiCanio.

[TF_herbie]

so many to choose from. but a drunk/wife beater/womoniser who after 68 won the same as my dog. dont make me laugh. nwca my grandmother would have lighted up craven cottage in the 70s. as for peter reid top class midfielder technically superior to most around him and shearer had he played for united would have won more medals for himself and united. as a striker he had no equals. di stefano????, d edwards??? just how old are you.~think affers the only united player chelski would have bought 5 years ago was scholes.~clap ~clap ~clap

i wonder if newcastle airport will be renamed paul gascoinge airport in 20 years time. he has all the qualifications.

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

@herbie wrote:

so many to choose from. but a drunk/wife beater/womoniser who after 68 won the same as my dog. dont make me laugh. nwca my grandmother would have lighted up craven cottage in the 70s. as for peter reid top class midfielder technically superior to most around him and shearer had he played for united would have won more medals for himself and united. as a striker he had no equals. di stefano????, d edwards??? just how old are you.~think affers the only united player chelski would have bought 5 years ago was scholes.~clap ~clap ~clap

i wonder if newcastle airport will be renamed paul gascoinge airport in 20 years time. he has all the qualifications.

Herbie why when judging players individually do you keep prattling on about what their TEAMS won. It is the height of stupidity and simply proves you know nothing about football.

Any true football fans knows enough about the sport and has watched enough old games before their time AND listened / read to experts to know just what a fantastic player Duncan Edwards or Di Stefano was. To highlight Rush beggars belief knowing how he bombed in Italy. You could have mentioned John Charles but there you have a fantastic player who won very little again. Why oh why do you even purport to know something about football when a blind man would be a better judge than you are.

[TF_bremesParticipant]

These players are all i have seen “live”….

Duncan Mckenzie,seen him way before he hit the big time in forest reseves,without doubt the most magical player.

Johan Cruyff

John Robertson

Pat Jennings/Shilts

Denis Law

George Best

Psycho(never seen a harder but FAIR tackler)

Stan Bowles

Liam Brady

Ian storey moore

bobby moore

The list is endless,best ground ive been to,Bernabeu(sp)real madrid(forest euro final)

Worst ground..Kilmarnock(anglo scottish cup)

worst ground to get away from….White hart lane

Ground sadly missed…..Charlton fc/the valley(used to love the forest away trips on a friday night)no gravy on pie n chips though,whats that all about?????~naughty ~naughty

Funniest sight at footy match….Gary Crosby at the city ground hiding behind andy dibble of man city,then headed the ball out of his hand as he was about to throw it out,pure quality.

[TF_Team Rattler]

Mark Hughes.

[Paul_T]

I can’t believe that no one has mentioned Denis Bergkamp. My favourite Arsenal player of all time, but I’m 40 and I haven’t seen many games prior to 1990.

Denis was two footed and his eye for a pass was amazing! ~clap

[TF_herbie]

nwca . the reports about di stefano, john charles, d/edwards and any other player you or i never saw are just that reports. what the writer thought at that time. unless you saw them then your estimation of there skills are based on other peoples opinions.ian rush played in italy when 1-0 was the norm. the italians played 9-0-1 all the time.take a swatch at his liverpool record. all great players played in great teams . no exeptions. they achieved things over a period of ( if they were lucky) 15 years. they were not burned out by the age of 23 because of girls/booze. best played at united in a great team. when he was kicked out he played for a team of hasbeens and performed accordingly. but because the media loved him he has become a legend. in much the same way michael ( give me boys anytime) jackson has. all the little blibs wiped from history. but i was there in the stretford end being amazed by his skills one day and disapointed by his lack of input into the team the next. as he got older the good performances diminished to the point where i was glad he was injured. so dont tell me i know nothing about football based on my dissapointment of what should have been a truely great player just because it doesnt concur with your opinion. giggs is 5 times the player best ever was because he,s done it over 15 years and has in my opinion done it in a far superior league set up that g/b ever played in.

ps didnt jimmy greaves fail in italy also. what does that make him then

[snake bake]

nw, i agree with you

[TF_proper tidal boy]

bremes what do them glory boys know about football there choice is very poor???? and that carrot cruncher manc fan, next one on will be that gooner from the north bank whats his name k arthur . grass rootes for me ps worst ground for me workington and that shite hole wigan springfield road mud bank ???

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

Herbie we are in an age when we are fortunate that we can judge players long before our time. We can also take note of the players who played with / against them.

We will never agree re Best but my view is held by 99% probably 100% of far btter judges than you and I. In terms of ability / pleasure to watch Best is up there with anybody.

If you judge Ivan Marks internationally as an angler using your criteria then he would be a failure. Bit silly is it not to judge people on Trophies when it comes to ability.

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

@proper tidal boy wrote:

bremes what do them glory boys know about football there choice is very poor???? and that carrot cruncher manc fan, next one on will be that gooner from the north bank whats his name k arthur . grass rootes for me ps worst ground for me workington and that shite hole wigan springfield road mud bank ???

What a tip it was back then the Springfield Away End IIRC it was either Chelsea or Newcastle fans that created a mud slide down it one wet day and enjoyed childhood games. Less pleasant, the Away End was once upon time full of stones / pebbles with some away fans used.

[TF_proper tidal boy]

great little club house nw stayed on for a few long after the final whistle hic hic

[TF_lloydy1970]

Peter Knowles does work in Marks and Spencer, never saw him play but heard he was class.

British. Rush
European Cruyff
world Maradona

Hope Messi become better than maradona as hate to say he’s the best i’ve seen. Hardest choice was british, could easily have chosen Giggs, Scholes Dalgleish, Shearer ect ect

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

@proper tidal boy wrote:

great little club house nw stayed on for a few long after the final whistle hic hic

One or two fine pubs down that way back in the day. Not sure they are any longer. Ground is now a housing estate.

[TF_Dodge]

More football pundits on here than MOTD and soccer saturday put together and they all talk sh!te aswell !

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

@Dodge wrote:

More football pundits on here than MOTD and soccer saturday put together and they all talk sh!te aswell !

~think A City Fan, you would know a lot about Sh!te 😉

[TF_Dodge]

Thats nearly funny.

On a par with paul merson and alan hanson.

[TF_redarmy]

keep sucking them lemons dodge~shh

[TF_Dodge]

You keep dropping logs john i been told ? ~think

[TF_redarmy]

cow pats not logs~sick

[TF_Dodge]

@redarmy wrote:

cow pats not logs~sick

Same thing ….

They both stink ! ~naughty lol

[TF_MARKHLDAS]

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

@herbie wrote:

~think affers the only united player chelski would have bought 5 years ago was scholes.~clap ~clap ~clap

Heerbs – I was refering to the Hand of Scholer, against Poland wasn’t it !!

Wigan Mud Bank at Springfield Road, that would be the Chelski boys, we drew 2-2 at the Bridge on an ice rink, the mid-week replay was canc cos of Snow so the game was eventually played on the same day of the next round (see the weather was just as bad than) in about 1985 I think, snow everywhere, I was in the Home end with other Chelski boys (I used to do that back then, try to take ends etc…) and the other lads at the away end started sliding down the bank and a huge snowball fight broke out, we won 5-0 and Kerry ‘193’ Dixon scored 4.

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

Mark I prefer to remember when Chelsea were little Wigan’s new to the football league first big scalp 1-0 IIRC the giant Micky Droy played

Back to Chelsea Dixon / Speedie that was a good combo.

[TF_herbie]

brian ~naughty how the hell would a brentford fan know a good footballer ~think ~think in 90 minutes at brentford the ball is in the air for 80 lol

1985 reminds me of the faboulus everton team and norman whiteside who stopped them collecting the full set with a wonder goal. everton also imho had the best ever goalkeeper in nevil southall. i remember looking down from the stands at o/t and thinking how the hell do you score past that. whilst at the same time looking at sparky and thinking jesus those legs are thicker than tree trunks. for the record united won 2-0 chockie got both.

[TF_MICK THE BOOKIE]

Herbie……Looking at mens legs and backsides again are we?…Yes you are correct Nevil Southall was a great Goalkeeper.Awesome at saving penalties.He was a big boy too….As well you found out…..Ouch…..lol

[TF_NW Cut Angler]

~think So Besty was either too scrawny or turned down advances from Herbie who it seems has a penchant for big boys 😉

[TF_herbie]

far too skinny for me can anyone remember adam blacklaw burnley keeper early 60s e was huge

[TF_MARKHLDAS]

@NW Cut Angler wrote:

Mark I prefer to remember when Chelsea were little Wigan’s new to the football league first big scalp 1-0 IIRC the giant Micky Droy played.

I seem to remember a 2-4 beating at The Bridge in the league cup as well ~sick

[TF_redarmy]

hathers the only ends chelski boys could take were those on the end of the male appendige

[TF_MARKHLDAS]

@redarmy wrote:

hathers the only ends chelski boys could take were those on the end of the male appendige

I got in the stretford end with 20 minutes to go…………for 5 minutes!

[TF_proper tidal boy]

herbie please exsplain how you let the little runt still take pens what a joke, being that last one was well up in the air im really mean over the bar pmsl

[TF_redarmy]

he thought he was playing an upfield ball for brentford brian ~sick

[TF_proper tidal boy]

yeah all 18 yards lol

[TF_Dodge]

Lee one pen ………. he was a bit good !

[TF_manu2]

Herbie your right there werent many songs sung about George Best at the time. Only one that I remember singing was E for B and George Best! haha reference to a tv ad besty made..

[Anonymous]

Best UK player = George Best
Best European player = Ronaldo
Best World player = Pele or Ronaldo I am leaning towards Ronaldo, this year 25 goals in 25 games for Madrid 40 odd for United couple years back nobody can stop this kid, they have all tried but he can’t be stopped

[TF_herbie]

after much thought i cannot seperate

bobby charlton.
kevin keagan,
dave mackay.
johnny giles.
liam brady.
but if i have to pump for the player who impressed me most—- ray kennedy when he played for arsenal.

european— pick anyone from the 1967 celtic side.

world — millar has to be my favourite.
but how can you not pick– pele.
best save gordon banks england vs brazil 1970.
best manager — has to be brian clough.
worst—- kevin keagan , newcastle simply because he threw away the title by selling andy cole ???? stupidity.
best team i saw— spurs 1961.celtic 1967..
best lower league manager— jimmy melia-aldershot.
best games — blackburn rovers 5-5 arsenal.
man utd 3-3 sunderland. FA cup.
palace 3-2 man united.
best goal. norman whiteside 1985 F/A cup final.

[TF_red_angler]

Dont think anybody has mentioned Ronaldo & i mean the brazilian 1 not the winking twat from portugal!!!!!!

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