needed to lob 4 inches orf the end and they are obviously a tad heavier than the pucker origenals and about 6inches shorter so I have had to construct another top section on a cupping kit to cater for them, but they appear a lot stronger than the DT origenal power kits, which wear fairly quickly as the carbon is too thin imo hence everyone has dodgy power kits, the match kits don’t seem to wear as badly as the carp kits don’t know why? The universal kits I am using are the middy DNA kits cheap and cheerful but do a job, got 6 for 22.45 each may get another 3 just in case lol at that price it’s a nonsense!