New line technology?

[TF_Fred Davis]

As most posters will know I have always spoken my mind and been as honest with my veiw point sometimes almost bullish with my point of veiw especially when it comes to fishing lines, personally for me I have always used ultima lines such as power steel and power match being my current preffered choice for most of my fishing and still is however anglers need to be aware of the new kids on the block and I for one have said if I ever found anything that bettered the lines I use I would be the first to tell fellow anglers, well now there maybe the advancements in line tecnology that we have been waiting for Steve Ringer has mentioned the new suffix duraflex on a total fishing video to Gareth suffix of 0.18 diameter has a breaking strain of 8lb, even better is the now highly rated grauvell line rated to 7.7lb in 0.16 used at the mo by some top pellet wag anglers the line is extremely robust and thin more importantly very low memory and as limp as anything on the market, because it is so thin floats cast furthur and the line because of its thinner diameter is less affected by rough weather conditions that can play havoc with this method. These new lines are not cheap, I think the grauvell has a RRP of over £22.00 although you can get it for £13.99 or less if you hunt around for 300 metres, what you are paying for is the extra performance that you get with this new tec,using thinner lines means better tackle control,especially when float fishing, although having seen anglers use these new lines I have yet to field test, however I have enough faith in what I have seen to order mine which is being sent to me in the post as I write, Being able to cast a 2 ssg waggler as far as a 4ssg with the new line makes it worth trying, I dare say I will report back on how I find them but as I say a lot of anglers in the know are already convinced of the benefiits of these products,

Using a better thinner, limper line may not improve your angling ability it just makes life easier when it comes to tackle control and presentation

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

I dont get it to be honest, lets face it 99% of the time your never really chucking a waggler far enough for it to make any difference. Accuracy has nothing to do with a few micro millimeters its all about technique in my opinion.

Ive fished the pellet wag since day 1 and i’m convinced my current set up is the ultimate in set ups without any fuss whatsoever. This might sound like a bit of a boast but my set up ticks all the boxes with pretty much run of the mill, gimmic free gear..

[TF_Fred Davis]

Baitchef, exactly what I thought,i use power steel 4lb.4 line diameter 0.19 for pellet wag work, I don’t think I would like to go finer than that especially when handling carp of from 5lb and up to and over 10lb, without a doubt finer line is less wind affected so accuracy improves,these new lines with the added bonus of almost double the strength it has to be a step forward in line tecnology, as well as those advantages you gain distance as finer lines cast floats furthur and you can use smaller floats as everything becomes easier, you don’t have to go that way, you can compensate by using a heavier float ect but then you have to accept a lot less finesse. Lets face it this line as yet untried will have to be something really special for me to take off the power steel off of my reels if it gave no real advantage, I am certain it does, however until I try it I won’t really know. I think despite any reservations it’s worth giving it a shot, I for one even at my old age do not intend to stick my head in the sand as change passes me by :rolleyes: you don’t have to try it if you do not think it will give you any advantage, however having been and still am an advocate of using power match and power steel I have always said that if I came across anything better I would be the first to tell fellow anglers I feel I have now kept to that obligation.
I also think that it won’t be long before other line manufacturers including hopefully Ultima start to include lines like these in their range.

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

I kind of agree if you do a lot of running line work say abroad or on the natural venues here. But for the pellet wag I still use 4lb maxima, the same line i was using 20 years ago. Over such short distances I just don’t think any minuscule advantage with a thinner line is going to make enough of a difference. If I’m fishing for bigger fish then i will use 6lb sensor and i have even used 8lb sensor before when fishing to islands for doubles without compromising too much presentation to make a difference, and the sensor is even cheaper 😀

[TF_Fred Davis]

Baitchef when anglers like Chris Haines and Dave Stockton and other top pellet waggler anglers are using this line I for one look, learn and listen they are not playing at the method it is THE method they fish to win time and time again in open matches, the only method they normally fish if they know it will work so much so they set up three pellet wag rods to cover all eventualities one at 6 inch one at 12inch and one at 2 foot deep and that is not the depth they are fishing at it’s just to cater for fish backing off of the float they expect still to catch shallow, I don’t care a hoot what you use you can use diawa sensor or any other line budget line that you choose to! how ever more discerning anglers may just be interested on how to fish the method properly and lines that are used by top names to gain an edge when fishing the pellet waggler method in opens and why they choose that brand.

[TF_Smed]

damn not more lines to try!
ive been through loads of lines for pellet wag but i allways find myself going back to sensor!
all the new thinner stronger lines dont seem to be up to the job and either spin and kink up after a few sessions losing there strength or arnt as strong/thin as they say they are!
sensor/maxima does what it says on the spool!

[TF_Fred Davis]

Smed no one is forcing you to try anything 🙂 just offering info on the new tec lines that some of the best pellet wag anglers in the country are using, I could also have said what floats there using but I didn’t lol the line appears to be very robust very abrasion resistant no memory very limp and most importantly extremely strong for its diameter, however I will be able to see for myself when mine arrives in the next day or two if I find it ain’t for me no problem I still have power steel on my reels, if I find it’s as good as anglers have told me I’ll keep it to myself as I don;t have to promote any product 😉 Line is a personal choice if you feel comfortable with what your using as baitchef is, he loves his budget daiwa sensor reel line, I can quite understand :rolleyes: why change 😀 However if you feel that a better thinner line almost twice the strength of what your using will improve tackle control and presentation and are gagging to try them first look up the lines check the speck and then make an informed decision

As I said mines in the post 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 .

[Anonymous]

0.18mm and 8lb, 0.16mm and 7.7lb………… actual diameter…………..actual breaking strain…………………with a knot ??????

Hang on…………is that a flying pig ??

[TF_wightangler]

got to admit the suffix and grauvell seem worth taking a look at for p/wag -particularly at distance in a side wind which prevails on one of our local venues- Somerton. Had heard from some speci-boys about the grauvell.

That said i just bought a spool of that Daiwa Tourney SD bulk line that is more than double the price of equivalent bs sensor for method line, after reading Alex Bones extolling its virtues and better diameter.
To be honest, apart from a different colour – can’t find much difference – certainly not the nearly .02 difference i was expecting compared to the sensor.

Looking fwd to your own findings Fred.

[TF_Fred Davis]

Wightangler at the very worst I have wasted £20, having been lucky to have had a minimal amount of sponsership from ultima in the past I do hope that they come up with an equivalent line as these new lines do seem a cut above what we are all using, the grauvel is of course made in japan not sure about the suffix, however these lines have already been field tested by some very good pellet wag anglers I have nothing to doubt there very good judgement on the matter as there results speak for themselves fishing week in week out for coin they are not going to use something that doesn’t work, but line is a very personel thing maybe I will like it, maybe I won’t, if I do I will keep very quite about it though 😎 The line must be tied with certain knots like the grinner so I am obviously having to refresh myself on how to tie the knots for this line.

[Anonymous]

not going to argue which line is best etc…but theres no point in chucking a wag miles if you can’t feed it..only cast as far as you can feed.. 😉

[TF_Smed]

fendreel is another of these new japanese hi tech lines
low dia high b/s no doubt made in the same factory as the ones you mentioned.
i tried it a few month ago and initially it was pretty good, but lasted maybe 6 or 7 outings with the pellet wag before it started to kink/stetch and get damaged which seriously had an effect on the b/s!!
bit dear to be changing it every 5 outings i thought!!!

[TF_Fred Davis]

Smed fendreel is not a new line nor made in the same factory! fendreel has been out donkeys years, Dennis Lipscombe was using that 10 years ago check your info mt8,

Sqeaky thanks for stating the obvious however as you know it’s easy to say much harder to do for some especially in inclement weather

[TF_wightangler]

squeeks – on the water i’m on about – its brown hydro in catty – (11m pellet usual if calm) and if they’re staying further out in middle- ping 8-10m boilies – they travel much further – only down size- is they sink much faster – but their again you’re only feeding a couple anyhow. If they don’t want to come in – they won’t – particularly when a lot of pegs are in.

Similarly on a water with an island 35-40 yds out – getting tight close is all, a good side wind and thick line means your often not getting there without excessive force and then wind bows a thicker line much more- so a thinner diameter but tough line would be a real benefit, imo.

[TF_bigfellaParticipant]

Ive been using the .016 Teklon Gold for about 3 years……its awesome.

[TF_Fred Davis]

big fella please delete your last post we can’t have everyone using the stuff DOH 😮

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

Fred I appreciate the anglers you mention are very experienced with the pellet wag, and that they have multi rod sets ups etc. The level they fish at means that any edge is positive. But for us mere mortals, I used to do the same thing, but with my current set up, you only need 1 rod to cover every possible depth. You can change depths instantly without any damage to the mainline what so ever, in a split second, and you can literally fish as deep as your rod will allow or as shallow as your hooklength will allow. ( which i tie at 3 inches).

[TF_Fred Davis]

Baitchef I am aware of the fixed but adjustable sliding pellet wag approaches using sliding float stops etc, however it’s not for me, I prefer to just pick up another rod instead of mucking around, we all use what where happy with 😉

For those not aware the set up is normally 3 rods with the floats set up at 6inches deep, 12 inches deep and 2 ft deep, however it is not set up to fish at those depths, the intention is still to catch shallow but on a lot of fisheries the carp back off of the pellet wag float which they associate with danger,quite rightly, this is why they feed twice cast in then wait 15-30 seconds and then twitch (two reel turns) feed again twice then twitch refeed (twice) twitch wait then recast and start the whole procedure again it is a very industrious working method , you can not do this attacking style with 4 pint of pellet normally these lads get through anyware from 12 pints to 24 pints of coarse pellets. Of course this set up may not work on every fishery and has to adjusted to each fishery to find the right formula.

however this is moving away from my origenal post which was to inform anglers about these new lines, having done this I’m happy, at the end of the day which line to use is an individual choice, as is floats, rods,set up etc, so use what your happy with, if it works for you, all power to your elbow 😉

[TF_SLAB]

When using line rated to 7.7lb in 0.16 what diameter hook lenghts would you be using.For the pellet wag i have been using sensor 6lb with 0.19 power line.Always looking to improve.With the main line being only 0.16 i am wondering what diameter hook length to use.

[TF_baitchefParticipant]

I personally find that you get a lot of abrasion in and around the landing net, so you need a tough line.

[TF_Fred Davis]

Slab Even when using 3 and 4lb main lines I would be looking to use Ultima 0.18 power match = 7.5lb, by using the new grauvel line in 0.16 = 7.2lb it just gives me a lower diameter main line for casting smaller floats to the same distance of say a 4 sgg waggler, if its even a slight breeze using the grauvell means I will be more accurate, but most importantly instead of being careful because I am on a very light mainline I can virtually forget about using kid gloves and concentrate on bagging.

[TF_SLAB]

New line ordered Tekon Gold 0.16. Allways willing to try new things. I had £8.22 floating around in paypal so in my mind it has only cost me £4.It arrives wednesday . I will let you know what i think after first use.Witch my be a couple of weeks now the football season has started .(Son plays under nines,traines Saturday plays match Sunday).

[TF_Fred Davis]

received my two lots of 300 mtres of 0.16 yesterday very impressed appears very strong limp and very very thin, seems ideal for pellet wag work no wonder all the cracks are using it, however i can also understand why most are using this line for pellet wag work exclusively it is that thin I would hate to use it for legering over gravel bottoms although I understand some carpers are using it so maybe it is as tough as old boots as well? only the test of time will tell, definately a very hi tec line compared to whats out there at the mo, My mate orderred two 300 yard spools of grauvell from the dealer and he said don’t tell me you want the 0.16 since word has got out seems as if he is getting inundated with orders.

[TF_Liquidized]

Sorry to dissapoint but the Teklon Gold is not a new line. I have been using it for 6 years or more
Grauvell also make a Competition line, which is clear coloured line as to the sandy colour of the Gold. The breaking strain is not as high though
They also supply good hooks in various patterns
Grauvell is a Spanish company I think. There was one main importer to the UK from the south somewhere
My local shop stocked it over 6 years ago, the reason he stopped stocking it was because the importer set his top up minimum price for orders too high

You should be able to get the Teklon Gold and the Competition in 150m spools for around £8

I still use the Teklon Gold but on the pole, up to 0.20mm which at 5.2kg is high enough 🙂
The only diametre I had problems with was the 0.14mm, the rest were solid

[TF_Fred Davis]

Thanks for the info liquidised however most anglers have not heard of the line before as it is as you say a small spanish company and is extremely hard to get hold of as most tackle shops don’t stock the line, only one angling centre sells it on e bay or phone direct at the store, speaking to Dave in Oakwood he said he used to stock the line but had great difficulty getting hold of it, he also said it’s quite a small company and it is a spanish company, it has become something of a cult line amongst those who fish the pellet wag at Stafford moor,

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