o/t policeman innocent is this justice

[TF_Gary the gudgeon]

so simon harwood is found not guilty, how can this be, at the very least it was assault with an offensive weapon. A man has died and another policeman walks away scot-free. seems they can do as they like with NO REPERCUSSIONS.

[TF_caster robParticipant]

Seems he’d been forced to “retire” from the police previously due to disciplinary “issues” of violence with a member of the public.

Anyone who saw the video of his behaviour would most likely have compared him to football hooligans. An absolute thug.

Whoever rehired him ought to be shot.

At least our “public services” are as exemplary as ever – just about sums ’em up.

[TF_caster robParticipant]

And in this case:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-18901922

The senior investigating officer is being investigated for lying under oath.

Most reassuring.

[TF_Fred Davis]

he was found not guilty by the jury who unlike us heard all the evidence, I for one would not like to prejudge any case not having heard all the evidence. It’s very easy to cast doubt upon any verdict from the outside looking in. The jury in both cases weighed up all of the facts and made their judgement –
end of

It’s called british justice
Thankfully we live in a society where a man is innocent until proved beyond any resonable doubt that he is guilty.

[TF_Paddy]

Well Fred, the laws an ass.
Un armed, loitering, walking slow – yes, may be.
A wack from a truncheon, big shove in the chest and the bloke dies minutes after.
A copper who should never have been re-employed, but the jury is not allowed to see his previous character description and on top of this, one of the countries top cops admitting that there own recruitment policy had to change due to this one blokes actions.
Sorry mate, that dont wash at all.
Good look to his family with there civil case – the video alone speaks for itself. The copper is a _rick!

[TF_JohnH]

Spot on Fred in my opinion. The jury heard all of the evidence and came to this verdict. End of story. The fact he should not have been in that position in the first place is the real question. Anyone who employs anyone will know about employment law, its vitually impossible to deal with matters of an intangible nature that can often be subjective. I have been in many tribunals over my carreer and the weight of law is very much on the side of the individual. The result is poor performance is tolerated because the alternative is worse.
I have always worked in the private sector, in the public sector its much more difficult to deal with these issues as no one makes decisions, things are just kicked into the long grass, pretty much as sucessive governments do with the real issues the electorate want them to deal with.
I suppose someone will set up an inquiry and proceedures will be changed and we the public will be reassured it wont happen again and everything will carry on just as before.
Its only the enhancements in camera technology that is catching these people out, what chance this would have ever come to court without the pictures?
If we could wind the clock back to the miners strike or Wapping for example several coppers would have gone to jail for what they did if they had been caught on phone cameras, I am not saying the strikers were blame free but we all expect higher standards from the police, maybe sometimes we expect too much.

[TF_martidav]

Spot on Paddy

[TF_Fred Davis]

Paddy the law is there to protect the individual, I did not say I agreed that what the policeman did was right what I will say is that I did not attend the court and listen to all the facts nor do I have a transcript of the case, therefore how can I make any judgement to do so would be predjudicial and very wrong, the jurors on the other hand did listen to the case and were well aware of all the facts and made there judgement rightly or wrongly. Thankfully we have a fairly good system in this country, when you see some of the alternatives around the world we are lucky that ours is so transparant.

[TF_caster robParticipant]

Looks like the usual public- sector / state machine bureaucrats looking after their own at the taxpayers expense:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jul/19/simon-harwood-disciplinary-proceedings

“However, weeks before the misconduct hearing was due to be heard, Harwood applied to be medically retired from the Met, citing injuries he had suffered in a motorbike accident more than three years earlier. His last day at the force was 14 September 2001. But his absence did not last long – just three days later, Harwood was taken on by the same force as a civilian employee.

Within 18 months he had successfully applied to become a uniformed officer with the neighbouring Surrey police force.

In January 2004, he was again accused of using excessive force, in a complaint lodged by a fellow officer in a raid on a flat. Two officers said they saw Harwood grab a suspect by the throat, punch him twice in the face and push him into a table, causing it to break.”

I don’t think expecting police officers not to violently assault suspects or kill inocent members of the public is really too much to ask.

You have to wonder how many more dangerous individuals are protected in positions of authority due to a “jobs for the boys” mentality.

[TF_Slider]

Look up the case of the Wiltshire Police office who beat a women black and blue in a cell in Melskham police station and got away with it, well, he was fired and then appealed and got his job back !

This country has gone to the dogs.

[TF_Gary the gudgeon]

fred davis I find your smugness disturbing, I wonder if you would feel the same if this legalised thuggery had been applied to one of your family members.

[TF_Fred Davis]

Not smug at all Gary just saying that unless you went to the trial you will not be aware of all the facts of the case, I am not saying that what the policeman did was right far from it, looks as if he is a disgrace to the uniform and shouldn’t even be in a position of any authority, hopefully he will be dismissed from the service and face a civil law suit for his actions, all I am saying is that I have faith in the british justice system and that the twelve jurors who made there decision of not guilty having weighed up all the evidence that we have not been privy to and obviously made the right decision in light of the facts presented to them.

[TF_caster robParticipant]

Absolute garbage!

There’s no evidence we “haven’t been privy to”. It’s all been documented since the legal proceedings concluded, The only people denied access to information were the jurors themselves.

You really haven’t got a clue.

[TF_caster robParticipant]

A bit more info on Simon Harwood that the jury weren’t “privy to”:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jul/20/police-simon-harwood-disciplinary-records

If our justice system was anywhere near as good as some claim he’d not only be in a cell, he’d be sharing it with some of his colleagues.

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