cheers abi for letting us know i would like to be the first to thank Ken and Jackie for there dedication throughout the years of the winter leagues the up and downs they must of put up with over the years 😉 😉 😉 i’l miss the phone calls jackie 😉
i think its too late for us this year with less than 5 weeks to go and with most of the Angling trust making there way across to italy for the world champs later this month time has run out
i don’t think its a bad thing either to miss one year as anglers will realise how much they will miss the winter league and perhaps next year most will be up for it again for a new challenge i know we will
lucky for us as we are rebuilding the squad and october is already partly filled with the sensas final in france
i hope the angling trust don’t try and rush something together this is a big chance for a brand new competition to take off
and don’t worry i’l still read the ANGLING TIMES 😉 😉 😉 😉 😉
and thanks for the many years you have supported the competition 🙂

does this mean the anglers fishing the leagues will have to become a member of the angling trust ??

good point bobby-jo.is there a winter league this year?

EVERY COMPETITION ANGLER SHOULD BE A MEMBER of the angling trust if you played another sport you’d have be a member of the association thats involved ie whether you play football at the highest level or the lowest every club and player has to be a member of the football association 😉 😉
the angling trust do a lot of good and are probably the only organisation that fight our corner

So do we just guess whats happening this year? Do you know Abi?

Will Ken wade have nothing too do with it now?

@joffmiester wrote:

EVERY COMPETITION ANGLER SHOULD BE A MEMBER of the angling trust if you played another sport you’d have be a member of the association thats involved ie whether you play football at the highest level or the lowest every club and player has to be a member of the football association 😉 😉
the angling trust do a lot of good and are probably the only organisation that fight our corner

AGREED!!!!

joff i am a member of the angling trust and before that the nfa, as you know we need to be to fish the div 1,
some smaller teams that don,t fish the nationals will not want to pay it thou

Matchfishing magazine link on joe carras’s post explains all!
thanks Abi

http://www.matchfishingmagazine.com/News/article_2305/

Oh dear, so the winter league final has now moved on to a commercial, suppose it was inevitable. very sad moments i think. 🙁

At least its all out in the open 🙂
I would suggest that yes everyone will now have to be a member of the Angling trust but as far as i am concerned everyone should be any way 🙂
Very disappointing that the final is going to a commercial but I suppose inevitable 😡
Would not be supprised if thats the way the semis go as well 🙁

Sorry time for Team fishing!!!!

Just a thought but some leagues are made up of liitle clubs or groups of anglers made up to enter the yearly fixture who come to take part knowing that they are not really in with a chance of winning…….now lets say there are 20 of them who dont go in Fishos, league fees are normally £60 and now under the Angling Trust £560……Id say thats goodbye to the winter league as we all know it.

I for 1 have just pulled our team out the league for this year 😡 😡 😡

Could this decision and announcement have not come a lot sooner?? 😡 A lot of leagues will be underway in a month, with venues booked and teams assembling. Any decisions regarding memebership to the trust and size of squads should be left for this year and let the old format continue for the time being. Discussions on next years W/L can be left until this years has finished.

@ropa wrote:

Could this decision and announcement have not come a lot sooner?? 😡 A lot of leagues will be underway in a month, with venues booked and teams assembling. Any decisions regarding memebership to the trust and size of squads should be left for this year and let the old format continue for the time being. Discussions on next years W/L can be left until this years has finished.

http://www.matchfishingmagazine.com/News/article_2305/

think thats what the actual press release basically says? im sure next year you will definately have too and as wayne says the smaller teams who dont all enter fisho’s will not stump up another £25 EACH!

Maybe were all wrong? and the more will be announced in next weeks AT what a load of SH17E! havent you bunch of dirtbag money driven fools at baeur or whatever they call them selves already made us wait too long! this will probably kill the winter league! “happy too announce the the passing over too the angling trust” etc etc what a load of total bullsh!7e! They’v done it cuz theres no money for them too make out of us! And im sure next weeks PLAN will not up sales not even for 1 week! R.I.P AT

The problem is the press release says nothing. We all knew the angling times wanted rid of the winter league. The question everyone is asking is whats happening now? Are the arrangements the same? Is it £60 a team? Why not disclose this at the same time as the announcement. Still nobody knows nothing as to what is required to fish the winter league this year.

I’ve read & re-read the press statement from Angling Times and I’m sorry, but I’m just not buying this ‘we’ve been planning this for ages’ garbage.

It seems to me that the bean-counters in charge of the purse-strings at Angling Times lost patience and wanted shut of the financial overheads involved in the Winter League.

Angling Times look like they’ve set themselves as using this as another cash-cow – like opening-up the Individual National last year and Fish O Mania this year. I’m all for the inclusive approach, but being so ‘in your face’ with this is a little too much.

I should qualify the above statement by saying, before the sniping starts, that I am – and have been an AT member since it’s inception. That said, this is looking very much like a train-crash of a handover between the two ATs. If this was such a long term plan, why has Joe Carass revealed more than the official announcement? I really don’t understand why the statement from AT was ‘padded out’ with so much meaningless fluff. If they’d planned all this, the interested parties should already know what the rules are, what the fees are and what the dates are.

It’s a mess, and as someone has already stated, the club anglers who have competed in winter leagues for years and who have never had any aspirations towards Nationals, etc. aren’t going to bite the big one now to join the AT. In ‘saving’ the Winter League, the Angling Trust could actually kill it off in many areas.

The winter league wont be killed off in Norfolk and Suffolk ‘cos it’s been dead so long that Tony Robinson’s going to do a telly program on it…

The Angling Times wanted rid.

The Angling Trust WANT to take it on.

Can’t see much happening this coming winter in the way of changes, but why not wait and see what happens next year before critisizing?

It could actually be for the best… 🙂

Ive just signed anglers to take team to 22 as we’ve changed leagues, so if they reduce team sizes do i just drop anglers I’ve signed? Also when teams dropped from 12 to 10 anglers didnt go to other teams they just dropped out.

reading the posts from earlier i don’t think it will be the membership cost that will withdraw a number of teams i’m sure it will be the fact that the final going to a commercial will up set a few and no doubt the semis will go to commercials as well
my biggest bug is the fact there are hundreds of anglers that stay-away from commercials as they just don’t want to go down those lines they are natural venue anglers through and through, don’t you think there is enough going on for the commercial anglers these days why push more and more towards commercials
i would like to think the angling trust will listen to all corners of the sport before running the competition if it means no winter league for us this year fare play

I would like to say that the league I run fishes on 6 comercials. the reason for this is the lower teams will not fish against stronger teams on canals ie bloodworm and joker fishing. I know the stronger teams would still like to fish canals but they have realised that if they insisted there would be no league, as the lower teams wont fish. The stronger teams that came into our league actually let the lower teams pick the venues and dont object. That was a condition they agreed to so the lower teams would stay.

Im sure the angling trust will let each team that are not members of the trust pay 60 quid for team entry this year just like the angling times. As they know that a lot of the lower teams will pull out if they dont.

I think its a good idea to reduce squad sizes the top teams could possibly put another team in the league. I think the team size should also be reduced from 10 to 8 or even 6 men.
Just my thoughts

@bobby-jo wrote:

does this mean the anglers fishing the leagues will have to become a member of the angling trust ??

think the answer to that is -YES 😉

From my experience of the winter league it was pretty much down to ken wade and his team so really without them then its gonna be hard to keep it going as strong as it was! especially with everyone having to pay the angling trust £25 quid, are the angling trust gonna put any prize money up for it? from what ive heard the england teams have had to pay for there own travel and digs to fish the world champs, so what are the angling trust gonna do for team fishing if our national teams are not supported!

matt haines: Are you a member of the Angling Trust, because I suspect not. That being the case, where do you think the money to pay for the international teams is going to come from? Do you think that Trust has Abramovich or the Sultan of Dubai in the back office? The international teams have ALWAYS paid their own way, with the help of sponsors, since they started practicing. In the old days, when we only entered the ‘mens’ team event, there was NO practice and England pitched up the day before. Won sod-all too, except the odd individual medal.

Now if we were ALL members and supported our sport WE could pay for them to go. But, hey, if Carlsberg represented fishing etc etc etc.

well said fb could we not put extra £1 on the annual fishing licence would this be more benificial as we all would be members then.
we are only talking £25 which is 5 bags groundbait or 4 gallon of fuel so £25 is a bloody bargain considering its £400 to join my golf club and thats cheap

yea im a member of the angling trust pretty much when it started even before it was compulsory to join to fish fish o qualifiers! and have not fished any fish o qualifiers this year, i even posted in support of the angling trust which i also think everyone should be a member of, or should someway pay into it, the fact tho is people who dont wanna join wont! and by making people have to pay it will just force people to look elsewhere for matches to fish! i sure im not on my own when i say the way this has all come out about a month before the winter league starts is wrong! when i fished for england youth i paid for myself so i know how it used to work! all im saying is if the trust cant someway support our national team even help pay for there tackle to be shipped over then what chance has the winter league got? straight away they have spolt it for me moving the final to a commercial! at the very min i would like to see a split final natural venue/ commie, but would prefer an out and out natural venue final!

‘They’ve’ not moved it for any other reason than Partridge Lakes are sponsoring the entire event! To fish a final, or even both semis come to that, elsewhere is akin to Drennan sponsoring the men’s England team and telling them they’ve all got to use Mustad hooks!

Glad you’re in mate, but remember the ATr has to spend OUR money. MANY, MANY carp anglers are members – over 250 joined in just two shows I was at least year – so how would THEY feel to see their dough spent on a match team? Obviously some A Tr money IS spent on the WC’s, because the officials go.

As I said, I look at it that the Team Champs will now be a benefit of A Tr membership, as Fisho is. If anyone wants to run a rival league, they have every chance now. There are already LOADS, nearly all run on commercials for teams of 6 so now is their chance to go National – if they are A Tr members of course.

fblues some great points there i’m all for change and have thanked the support of angling times ,the problem i see for this year is it was announced too late with a lot of the ATr away in Italy means it will be very hard to get leagues organised if they are thinking about changes team size for one. the problem i see if all anglers have to be members of ATr [which every competition angler should be] i can’t the anglers that are and have been against join the trust from the start are going to join at this stage of the year for a winter league.it not a problem for top teams its the teams down the pecking order that make up 80% of all winter leagues .this why A/T clubman competition has been successful

@joffmiester wrote:

fblues some great points there i’m all for change and have thanked the support of angling times ,the problem i see for this year is it was announced too late with a lot of the ATr away in Italy means it will be very hard to get leagues organised if they are thinking about changes team size for one. the problem i see if all anglers have to be members of ATr [which every competition angler should be] i can’t the anglers that are and have been against join the trust from the start are going to join at this stage of the year for a winter league.it not a problem for top teams its the teams down the pecking order that make up 80% of all winter leagues .this why A/T clubman competition has been successful

Hi Joff, thanks for the kind words in earlier posts, Jackie will miss your calls and e-mails!

I am not going to get into this thread but I am not sure where all this “Its too late” thing is coming from. Like everyone else I have no idea what the Angling Trust are going to do, but it has been said there are not going to be any major changes this year. They are taking over the Team Champs so where is the problem, the leagues are all in place, they are run by very good match organisers, venue’s have been booked, job done and to be fair no one thinks about the team champs until a couple of weeks before the off anyway!! Changes may take place in the future, we will have to wait and see what happens but this year everything ready to go.

Does anyone know where do i send my team list and £60 to?

Do all anglers fishing have to be individual members of the AT? Who is going to check if so? There are still questions i dont know answer to. I havent seen paper today so if someone could enlighten id be grateful.

I have just phoned bob dipper from angling trust, he is in italy with the world champs he said there will be no more details until they come back next week. As far as im concerned i will run our league as normal until i know anything different. It will be impossible to sort things out in 3 weeks, so league has to be more or less the same format as in the past.

Cheers.

@kwadej wrote:

@joffmiester wrote:

fblues some great points there i’m all for change and have thanked the support of angling times ,the problem i see for this year is it was announced too late with a lot of the ATr away in Italy means it will be very hard to get leagues organised if they are thinking about changes team size for one. the problem i see if all anglers have to be members of ATr [which every competition angler should be] i can’t the anglers that are and have been against join the trust from the start are going to join at this stage of the year for a winter league.it not a problem for top teams its the teams down the pecking order that make up 80% of all winter leagues .this why A/T clubman competition has been successful

Hi Joff, thanks for the kind words in earlier posts, Jackie will miss your calls and e-mails!

I am not going to get into this thread but I am not sure where all this “Its too late” thing is coming from. Like everyone else I have no idea what the Angling Trust are going to do, but it has been said there are not going to be any major changes this year. They are taking over the Team Champs so where is the problem, the leagues are all in place, they are run by very good match organisers, venue’s have been booked, job done and to be fair no one thinks about the team champs until a couple of weeks before the off anyway!! Changes may take place in the future, we will have to wait and see what happens but this year everything ready to go.

i know what your saying ken but normally by now we have had a AGM and selected the sections i hope i’m wrong but its asking a lot for this year

“i know what your saying ken but normally by now we have had a AGM and selected the sections i hope i’m wrong but its asking a lot for this year”

Sorry mate, not trying to split hairs, but not getting sorted with AGM and sections has not got a lot to do with the change over has it?
It was not just you talking about leaving it late, but no one had any idea about the switch a month ago??
Anyway I do hope it all gets sorted for the Soar Valley League, it has been going for a very long time and has been the backbone of winter fishing in your area for many, many years.
Good Luck
Ken