Just to get you even more confused, we used to fish the first 2 rounds of the sw superleague on there, ok it was Always in June but the team would always come away from the matches in first or second. And we would all fish up in the water. Normally between 11 and 13 meters chucking a small ball of groundbait (sensas explosive lake) containing casters pinkies and finely chopped worms with any of the above on the hook, as well as a close loose fed perch line. In the last 2 practices we fished down there I framed with 13 & 18lb of roach and skimmers doing just that.