Angling Trust and matches

[TF_gunta]

Whats the general feeling about joining the angling trust in order to fish a match.Its now the case for the british stillwater champs.If you fish one match thats £60, a few people I have spoke too are not too happy about it.Are matchmen the only ones that will be paying towards it, is the revenue coming from other parts of angling.i might aswell pay £50 and have a try on on the maver big one.

[TF_Gary K]

Thats the one reason that I won’t fish a Fishomania qualifier- You must join even to get in the draw for a ticket.

[TF_Nigel.]

You must also be a member to fish the UK Champs.
With any sport, you need to be a member of the governing body of that sport, and if you wish to fish major competitions in angling, you must now be a member of that governing body.
I fully agree with it, we wouldn’t bother otherwise would we? I dont think i would to be honest, but for £20 a year (plus our rod licence) it less than a quid a week for both the AT, and our rod licence. Of course if you only fished once or twice a year its dear, but if you fish all year like most of us do, then its not.
We would soon be asking for help when we have problems, from AT and the EA, polution, predation, (cormorants, Mink, Otters etc) disesae, theft, illegal fishing, trapping netting, the list goes on!

All’s good at the moment, i was at a meeting last week, and there are no issues at the moment, but wait till the fish start dieing, then we need there help!

[TF_lloydy1970]

I’m all for a governing body and paying £25 a year doesn’t bother me but having seen the money charged for admin on matches and seen where some of it goes plus 5% taken out of national winnings for admin after you’ve already paid you’re entry seems wrong to me and makes me wonder where our £25 is spent. Normally join every year, not sure whether I will this year.

[TF_JohnC]

But Nigel, why is only coarse fishing matchmen being forced to join through competitions???????????

[TF_wildinguk]

I think it’s right people get to find out where their money is going, same goes for both the rod license and AT membership. At least with the rod license, it’s a bit more obvious what the money goes to help pay for such as pollution response and heping to restock a fishery, and policing fisheries.

As for the AT, just what does it actually do? It certainly doesn’t appear to be the strong robust governing body we’d want, that vocally fights for fishermans rights. If it does, fair play, but it doesn’t appear to do it and doesn’t seem to have a strong national presence in the media.

People don’t object to paying, if they can see their money going to good use. I’m just failing to see what good use my AT money goes towards.

[TF_Swimfeeder]

There are none so blind that will not see.

Here is a link;
http://www.anglingtrust.net/page.asp?section=28&sectionTitle=Angling Trust%27s Notice Board

Matches are organised events, usually organised by unpaid volunteers, for decades match anglers have taken this fact for granted, everything is laid on free of charge……….. this has led to an entrenched mindset…..why should I pay for any service???? after all I pay my pools don’t I? it’s time to grow up and take some responsibilty.

The reason other branches of the sport do not contribute unless on an individual voluntary basis?

Simple,

Pleasure anglers etc; are not organised they come and go with complete impunity, they are not on the Angling Trust radar, I do not agree with this, but what can be done?

Compulsory membership is the fairest solution, I called for this at the very beginning of the formation of the Trust, but in their infinite wisdom they voted against this concept.

The end result is a half arse organisation with far fewer members than they need to really punch their weight.

I choose to be a member simply because even a half arse organisation is better than nothing, it aint fair, but then life aint fair is it?

[TF_Fred Davis]

“Compulsory membership is the fairest solution”

Yes we could call it the angling trust party?lol, what next shoot cormorants, otters and mink lay traps for red signal crayfish dredge the thames to get rid of the mitten crabs, stop farm fertilisers, pig slurry and water company pollutants, maybe we should shoot those who desicrate our waters (east europeans have reportedly netted the grand union canal at berhamstead 20 times the stretch is now virtually barren of fish it takes the EA two hours to get from milton keynes there HQ to berko by that time the violaters are well gone) and call it the final solution

sounds all to familiar

lets face it anglers or angling bodies have never changed anything even when the NFA was at the hight of it’s powers with a very large membership due to affiliation by the large angling associations they lost the lead shot debate an argument they should have won, meanwhile the shooting brigade went on for years firing lead all over the waterways and fields and not a word was said,now I am all for anglers joining the angling trust if they want to support there governing body but don’t expect any real change to happen, the rivers are virtually finished, if they regenerate themselves brilliant if they don’t so be it the angling trust won’t make any difference now or if fully funded.
as has been said by JohnH enjoy what you have got if not take up golf.

[TF_justin case]

Its no different to anglers being forced to join the NFA a few years back to fish the Nationals

I can’t see what the problem is

[TF_andy cranes mateParticipant]

Matches are organised events, usually organised by unpaid volunteers, for decades match anglers have taken this fact for granted, everything is laid on free of charge……….. this has led to an entrenched mindset…..why should I pay for any service???? after all I pay my pools don’t I? it’s time to grow up and take some responsibilty.

So do the volunteers now get paid?

[TF_andy cranes mateParticipant]

Matches are organised events, usually organised by unpaid volunteers, for decades match anglers have taken this fact for granted, everything is laid on free of charge……….. this has led to an entrenched mindset…..why should I pay for any service???? after all I pay my pools don’t I? it’s time to grow up and take some responsibilty.

So do the volunteers now get paid?

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Compulsory membership is the fairest solution, I called for this at the very beginning of the formation of the Trust, but in their infinite wisdom they voted against this concept.

Lets put this into context then if we use the above as an example that all anglers should be members of the governing body

I go down the pub for a drink with the lads and fancy a game of darts I ask the landlord for the darts and he says I must join the darts federation before I can play £20 , won’t bother I say will have a game of pool instead but its £20 to be a member of the national association of pool players , nah give that a miss pass us the dominoes £15 to join the national dominoe club , before we know it we will be joining the FA so we can have a kick about with the kids the AA so we can drive a car and the caravaning club before we can stay at White Acres for a week.

Lets just hope I get a pay rise this year otherwise I wont be able to do anything.

With any sport, you need to be a member of the governing body of that sport, and if you wish to fish major competitions in angling, you must now be a member of that governing body.

WHY ?

[TF_Waveney One]

Perhaps it is because that organisation runs the major competitions?

[TF_andy cranes mateParticipant]

£25 is way over the top.~naughty

[TF_Waveney One]

@tweet wrote:

Compulsory membership is the fairest solution, I called for this at the very beginning of the formation of the Trust, but in their infinite wisdom they voted against this concept.

Lets put this into context then if we use the above as an example that all anglers should be members of the governing body

I go down the pub for a drink with the lads and fancy a game of darts I ask the landlord for the darts and he says I must join the darts federation before I can play £20 , won’t bother I say will have a game of pool instead but its £20 to be a member of the national association of pool players , nah give that a miss pass us the dominoes £15 to join the national dominoe club , before we know it we will be joining the FA so we can have a kick about with the kids the AA so we can drive a car and the caravaning club before we can stay at White Acres for a week.

Lets just hope I get a pay rise this year otherwise I wont be able to do anything.

As to the rest of the argument in your post, it is ludicrous. No one asks you to join British Tennis to have a game with your mate down the local municipal courts. However to enter the competitions run by the British Tennis you need to have a British Tennis Rating enabling you to compete in official competitions.

[TF_andy cranes mateParticipant]

And look what you get for your £25.

[TF_Fred Davis]

What you get for £25 is to fish all angling trust angling competitions, Nationals fishomania etc and that includes the ACA teams that are invited, now I don’t think thats too bad a deal, when I fished the nationals in Div 1 it was money well spent in my mind, however if you don’t fish any of the NFA comp’s then you may consider it a waste of money or maybe not.

what gets my goat is anglers saying membership should be compulsory it should not,the fishing licence is compulsory and so it should be however membership of the governing body should not be as everything should be done to attract new anglers and young blood to the sport and that includes the occasional angler, as has been said you don’t have to belong to the ETTA to play table tennis nor should anglers have to belong to a governing body unless they wish to compete in national trust run events.Which is why all match angling sea course and game should be run by the national body with leagues and so forth so all anglers get the chance to represent there country on merit and form.However pigs will fly before any change is adopted to make the sport more proffesional and most importantly accountable to it’s members.

[TF_andy cranes mateParticipant]

Yes but can fishing really be compared to any other sport/passtime? Would you get Roger federer turning up at your local tennis caught to play you or Lee Westwood turn up at your monthly metal? No. Do the stewards get paid at these big matches?

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Fred Davis wrote:

What you get for £25 is to fish all angling trust angling competitions, Nationals fishomania etc and that includes the ACA teams that are invited, now I don’t think thats too bad a deal, when I fished the nationals in Div 1 it was money well spent in my mind, however if you don’t fish any of the NFA comp’s then you may consider it a waste of money or maybe not.

Not exactly true in the case of fishomania , what you actually get is the oppurtunity to apply for tickets in a oversubribed matchroom event where you may if you are lucky get the option of a ticket at a venue you hadn’t chosen , a real sound marketing plan , you could also fish a team event ( national ) and have to be a member club & individual member.

[TF_caster robParticipant]

Ah, the Angling Trust, that esteemed charitable organisation.

The single entity that has poisoned my mind more than anything else and persuaded me that I can no longer be bothered with it anymore.

Congratulations.

Pleae feel free to quote me in your latest (unread) press-release.

Nontheless, I do await with much excitement the inevitable closed-shop campaign.

Should be hilarious.

[TF_Swimfeeder]

@caster rob wrote:

Ah, the Angling Trust, that esteemed charitable organisation.

The single entity that has poisoned my mind more than anything else and persuaded me that I can no longer be bothered with it anymore.

Congratulations.

Pleae feel free to quote me in your latest (unread) press-release.

Nontheless, I do await with much excitement the inevitable closed-shop campaign.

Should be hilarious.

Poisoned your mind CR? what a revelation!!

[TF_caster robParticipant]

A little introspection is no bad thing.

Maybe you could try it yourself one day Bob.

[TF_Swimfeeder]

@caster rob wrote:

A little introspection is no bad thing.

Maybe you could try it yourself one day Bob.

I no longer imbibe of the alcohol ……..maybe you could try it yourself one day CR.

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