Angling Trust Membership Increase

[tricky]

How can the Angling Trust possibly justify the 25% increase in membership fees when everybody’s money is getting tight and even tighter in January when the V.A.T. increases.
I know the proposed increase is not for next year, but do we realisticly think we will be better off when it is implemented, after all people are being asked to have pay freezes or even pay cuts and yet the cost of living is still going up.
Could this be the start of the end for the Angling Trust, they struggled in the first year of existance but have managed to turn it around and will this new increase alienate people again?????

[TF_wildinguk]

I only joined in the first place to fish the national, if membership goes up alot I will think twice about fishing it again. Not as if the angling trust, on the face of what I have seen, has actually done much good with our money.

[tricky]

The increase is from £20 now to £25 in 2012.

A lot of matchmen only join to fish the Nationals or Fish ‘O’ Mania so if you still want to fish those events they have got you by the short and curlies!!!!

[TF_BazzaParticipant]

Still only equates to less than £2 per week. Which for the public liablity insurance alone is money well spent.

[tricky]

50p a week acctually!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Its the principle I am getting at in this financial climate.

£5 increase here £5 there £10 somewhere else yet no increase in peoples incomes that is my point.

[TF_geepsterParticipant]

Does the Angling Trust have to pay VAT?
If so then their own costs are going up as well.

[TF_BazzaParticipant]

Bazza wrote:

Still only equates to less than £2 per week. Which for the public liablity insurance alone is money well spent.

oops that should have been a month and just over £2.

[TF_missabite]

Jumping on the bandwagon to make sure no one has any money?

I don’t buy into the ‘it’s only so much a week’ argument. Everything is only so much a week but with prices rocketing there isn’t going to be anything left.

I was thinking about joining, mainly for fisho, but if they are putting it up by such a large percentage in the future then I won’t. Thankfully you don’t have to join them if you don’t want to.

[TF_lloydy1970]

A captain of a team phoned angling trust to speak to Sandra drew regarding division 1 national only to be told that they were having a meeting about the national in Wales. Well the angling trust is based in Nottingham and the national was in Nottingham so Why did they have a meeting in wales

[TF_Jabjab]

The Trust also have an office in Herefordshire, the site of the old ACA – it may be that the meeting was there; it’s nearly in Wales!

“the national was in Nottingham so Why did they have a meeting in wales ” As above, I would presume that you have your meetings at the offices, not wherever the National is held

Personally I think the Trust is a good thing but it needs our support, not criticism. It’s still in its infancy and will grow over time. If it didn’t exist we would not have anyone fighting our corner, and for match anglers there would not be any Nationals or Fisho or International teams

[TF_JohnC]

Well that will help them increase there “massive” membership numbers.

[TF_herbie]

value for money ~clap ~clap ~clap if you dont like ~think dont join ~shh simples. and i earn less than 10k a year an it dont bother me. id rather pay the A/T than the enviro,s for my pole tax rod licence

[TF_feeder]

well said herbie mate me too.

[TF_lloydy1970]

Up until a few weeks ago i thought that membership should be added to licence fee but now i’m not sure

[TF_herbie]

will anglers ever learn ~think ~think ~think UNITY IS STRENTH. can you in your wildest dreams ever see a member of the RSPB moaning about the cost of membership. get real we have many enemies rallying against us bit by bit they will remove your rights to fish till its all gone. wont happen i hear you say~naughty ask the fox hunters 20 years ago a ban was pure fantasy~sick

[TF_Stewart]

I was a member of the NFA for years and also the ACA. They merged into the Angling Trust at a reduced membership fee, it’s going up in 2012. I’m sure I will be paying LESS than I did a few years ago PLUS I personally (as do all members)benefit from public liability insurance, in this day and age of the compensation culture that is worth more than the membership fee.

[TF_BeanpoleParticipant]

I’m on disability benefits and no concessions not bothered worth every penny

[TF_wiggley worm]

you dont need to join the RSPB to watch birds just like you dont need to join the A/T to go fishing

[TF_redarmy]

you win plenty of prize money though greg lol

[Anonymous]

@Jabjab wrote:

Personally I think the Trust is a good thing but it needs our support, not criticism. It’s still in its infancy and will grow over time. If it didn’t exist we would not have anyone fighting our corner, and for match anglers there would not be any Nationals or Fisho or International teams

Am I missing something here or what???? there were Nationals and Internationals and Fishos LONG before there was the AT

[TF_herbie]

@wiggley worm wrote:

you dont need to join the RSPB to watch birds just like you dont need to join the A/T to go fishing

this is very true. but you do need to be a member of the rspb to watch birds on the lakes they own. what you wont do is fish on them. every one they buy is one less for someone to fish on. the very reason for angling trust /nfa call it what you like, was to protect that person as a body . but hey oh dont join us just remember we despite this will still act on your behalf.

[TF_D.W.]

@herbie wrote:

@wiggley worm wrote:

you dont need to join the RSPB to watch birds just like you dont need to join the A/T to go fishing

this is very true. but you do need to be a member of the rspb to watch birds on the lakes they own. what you wont do is fish on them. every one they buy is one less for someone to fish on. the very reason for angling trust /nfa call it what you like, was to protect that person as a body . but hey oh dont join us just remember we despite this will still act on your behalf.

Sorry Herbie but you are wrong. Fen Drayton is owned by the RSPB but has angling on it. Anybody can walk around Fen Drayton complex and watch the birds should they wish to regardless if they are members of the RSPB or not, & the RSPB own the complex.

[disabledanglerParticipant]

I first joined the Angling Trust so I could apply for some Fish-O tickets.
Looking now the AT are putting thier membership up and the price of the Fish-O tickets are going up also.
I know the prize money is supposed to go up to £30,000 but if the prices keep going up some of us wont be able to afford to take part any longer.
Where will it all end?

[TF_mickeym]

I personally joined to allow me to enter fishomania, the £5.00 increase dosent exactly break the bank as an increase from last year.

As with everything at the moment, things are going up but honestly is £5.00 really that much an increase that will break the bank…….i think not!!

[disabledanglerParticipant]

I don’t think its just about the £5 increase in the AT membership, I think we have to weigh up everything that is going on…vat is going up the cost of living is going up according to the bank of england so with all these things going on £5 extra to the AT is going to hurt some people as bills etc must come first.

[tricky]

At last somebody has got the point I was making.

Never once said the Angling Trust don’t do a good job or give value for money!!!

The whole point is about us being rinsed for more and more money in for some what are difficult times financially and especially a 25% increase.

Who on here has had a 25% wage rise???

Yes cost for the AT have gone up so instead of a 25% increase in one hit lets phase it in, if everybody decides to put their goods up 25% in one hit will we all still have the same views??

No because we wont be able to afford the computer or the electricity to run it.

ITS ALL ABOUT PERCENTAGES!!!!

[disabledanglerParticipant]

lol…do I win a prize?….

I am just hoping that my disability living allowance goes up in line with everything else.
If it doesnt I wont be out fishing as I wont be able to afford to go.

Your point about wage increase is so true…I dont see a good year ahead for many people and we are all going to have to get our priority’s right

[TF_andy cranes mateParticipant]

Not joining, don’t care.

[TF_justin case]

@paul1962 wrote:

@Jabjab wrote:

Personally I think the Trust is a good thing but it needs our support, not criticism. It’s still in its infancy and will grow over time. If it didn’t exist we would not have anyone fighting our corner, and for match anglers there would not be any Nationals or Fisho or International teams

Am I missing something here or what???? there were Nationals and Internationals and Fishos LONG before there was the AT

Obviously you are, where are the NFA now to run the Nationals ? who will organise the Fisho’s

Are you putting your name forward ?

[TF_Money4nothing]

First time on this (or any other) forum for at least 10 months or so & this old chestnut is still being force fed to web site visiting anglers. I might not have logged on for a while but I’ve managed to get out match fishing fairly frequently & guess what….. the Angling Trust has not once entered my mind, the topic of conversation over a full english or even been promoted on a poster at a fishery anywhere.
Is it just a cliquey minority of extreme anglers (those who somehow manage to fish more than they work) who rant on about the benefits of it ?
I might subsidise match payouts by being regular pools fodder (my choice), doesn’t mean I’m going to subsidise this ‘benefit the minority’ venture as well.

Back to the golf forum for a while….. not so much whinging on there.

[TF_herbie]

@D.W. wrote:

@herbie wrote:

@wiggley worm wrote:

you dont need to join the RSPB to watch birds just like you dont need to join the A/T to go fishing

this is very true. but you do need to be a member of the rspb to watch birds on the lakes they own. what you wont do is fish on them. every one they buy is one less for someone to fish on. the very reason for angling trust /nfa call it what you like, was to protect that person as a body . but hey oh dont join us just remember we despite this will still act on your behalf.

Sorry Herbie but you are wrong. Fen Drayton is owned by the RSPB but has angling on it. Anybody can walk around Fen Drayton complex and watch the birds should they wish to regardless if they are members of the RSPB or not, & the RSPB own the complex.

well thats 1 out of how many. ask the isle of wight boys where they would be fishing now without help

[TF_lloydy1970]

£2,286 expences for a 127 peg match(peg fees extra) and the at made no profit out of that. I’m just a bit concerned about where a lot of the money goes. As much as we all want a united force to promote angling, when you keep looking at figures and they dont add up you cant just close your eyes to it. Look at nationals, you pay to enter you pay pools then they take 5% out of pool money for admin. Now the winner of div 1 probably wins over 2 grand(conservative) thats £50 out of his winnings to send him a cheque

[Anonymous]

@justin case wrote:

@paul1962 wrote:

@Jabjab wrote:

Personally I think the Trust is a good thing but it needs our support, not criticism. It’s still in its infancy and will grow over time. If it didn’t exist we would not have anyone fighting our corner, and for match anglers there would not be any Nationals or Fisho or International teams

Am I missing something here or what???? there were Nationals and Internationals and Fishos LONG before there was the AT

Obviously you are where are the NFA now to run the Nationals ? who will organise the Fisho’s

Are you putting your name forward ?

I have never fished any of the 3 and probably never will, so why would I put my name forward to run it???? not interested in any of them as well as not interested in the AT, but they were all here before the AT and if the AT was not here now they would STILL be here simple as that mate.

[Wangla]

~clap ~clap ~clap Good thread for debate fellas, can see original point regarding 25%increase but still personally believe it aint bad vfm ,considering personal liability insurance,fish for free scheme etc,as sed before it is a matter of personal choice,you dont have to be a member,but strength is achieved in numbers ,the more the better,remember goin on for half a million demonstrated on behalf of fox hunting and hunting with hounds was still outlawed.

[TF_wightangler]

well posted herbie, and i would’nt mind the increase is external leaseing of buildings and hike in admin. costs – not staff wages.

Interesting co-incidence about the land holdings and partic. rented land of RSPB.
Would relate to survey in ‘new statesman’ mag about actual % of landownership in relation to traditional family landed estate holdings.
The RSPB figure very highly in list,
..what seems more than co-incidental is that rather a lot of reserves and leases ‘ringfencing’ traditional landed estates geographically in UK.
Even locally, actual ownership is kept within traditional titled estate ownnership- and one might say leasing serve dual purpose of keeping development and ‘peasants’ for most part off land thus preserving ‘views’, asset worth beneath ostensensible ‘specialised’ and public perception of ‘beneficial and public access’ usage.
Indeed, given the public and financial ‘benevolence’ to the RSPB by the ‘great & good’ seems somewhat at odds by the same’s prevelance for their financially and ‘social’ pastime of shooting our feathered friends’. I’m not anti-rspb by the way having been involved in 2003 with a charitable art sale and dinner hosted by our shooting loving HRH Charlie- but now find myself questioning this ‘support’ given the aforementioned land and lease ownership proximity find this support may be more altruistic than at first glance appears.
Bit- like the national trust which to some seems a nice grant aided means of keeping your country pile repaired and maintained.

[TF_Croydon_Dave]

I find it quite amusing this discussion about a fiver. On Tuesday I attended a forum organised by the AT at the Holiday Inn close to Heathrow.

I had been unable to stop off at a chippy on the way due to work pressures making it touch and go to arrive on time. I parked in the Holiday Inn undergorund car park.

I decided on a pint of Guinness and some coated peanuts – cost a whopping £6.50. After over 3.5 hours of a lively discussion, Keith Arthur and John Sutton of the going head to head being the highlight, I went to reception to pay for my car park ticket and that was another £5! Some I believe may have been charged £10!

Given that Holiday Inn must have charged for the facility (including tea, coffee, water etc) the AT must have had an expensive night too.

I shall be writing to Mike Heylin about the venue selection because it was an imposition on those that turned up. I feel that savings could have been made by going elsewhere but in the area.

[TF_wightangler]

returning to membership increase topic- i do think that this seems to rely on acceptance of current membership numbers.
Members who get AT email newsletter updates will know of the various current campaigns and lobbying all of which and legal defence costs must make severe inroads on operational budget- which is regurly updated in qtrly. news.

Sad thing is though- how many non-AT members aware of the the expert work on anglers behalf that the AT continually do?

You get the occassional edited reference or topic campaign ‘bite’ in the weeklies but despite the excellent updates – but these are effectively limited either to members or regular users of the side bar on the AT web site and it has to be said laudable efforts by geeps on the homepage articles of this site and about 4 more web sites like MF-S, fishing magic,and go-fishing.

I hope thjat the AT is’nt giving up on attracting new members given the sad reality of the current membership now annually approx. consistent.
I realise limited funds mean that a full time media and web membership recruitment position is’nt possible – but changeing that dire front page of the current AT site would surely help and hopefully both Bauer and DHP will perhaps assist further in publicising AT stuff.

Sad truth is most anglers would prefer a fishing article than perceived’ boring’ actual campaign stuff- ‘bit like interest in political issues this- but we do need the ATrust and when you get a chance please read their ‘stuff’ that geeps puts on here
and recognise the issues and ongoing work they do that benefits us as anglers.

[TF_Irk the purists]

£25 is what most anglers pay out to fish a match at the weekend…..

A small price to pay for PLI, the organisation of major events and the civil prosecution of polluters….

Only anglers can be soooooooo anal……

~naughty

[tricky]

Think you need to get your heads out of your anals, its not about the £5 its about the 25%.

If the government put 25% on petrol and then 25% on coucil tax and then increased VAT to 25% would you all be singing the same tune??

I DONT THINK SO!!!!!~think ~think

[TF_joffmiester]

good point tricky~think ~think but when has anything ever stop these in crease’s

take fillet steak and lamb its through the roof at the minute SO STOP BUYING IT!!what happens it comes down in price or the Europeans like France and the rest of them buy it because of the value of our pound.fuel you have never seen it as dear STOP BUYING IT !!you can’t!!
nothing will ever change in this country we all moan but do nothing will get done about it WHAT IF EVERY ONE OF US JUST STOPPED SPENDING MONEY FOR A WEEK and stayed in what would happen !!
the angling trust is the only contact we have for the ever changing government policy’s like someone said the fox hunter would never of thought there sport would be outlawed i love the sport and would pay it no problems NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE DEAL WITH IT OR LUMP IT

[TF_caster robParticipant]

@jm:

” NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE DEAL WITH IT OR LUMP IT”

What’s IT?

[TF_joffmiester]

@caster rob wrote:

@jm:

” NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE DEAL WITH IT OR LUMP IT”

What’s IT?

sorry mate the increase~sick ~sick

[TF_caster robParticipant]

No need to apologise.

I should have remembered the title of this thread.

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